Journalists mirror red/blue divide

obama 01 Every couple of years, journalists and pundits proclaim the death of the red-state/blue-state divide in American politics.

In 2004, political expert Charlie Cook rejected the idea that cultural issues would influence the presidential election. Last year, E.J. Dionne, Jr. wrote that “the old red-state-blue-state maps are becoming obsolete.” And this morning, Daniel has written that the hot moral issues that pulled “the pew voters into the Republican big tent are seeming to disappear in the face of the economic downturn.”

Yet those comments have never jibed with my own interviews with voters. When I spent days knocking on doors in Western Pennsylvania, I would frequently get one of two responses: I could never vote for a candidate who supported gay marriage or abortion; or I could never support a candidate who opposed environmental protections. Fewer than a fifth of voters made such remarks, but there were enough of them to swing elections, usually in favor of a socially conservative candidate.

Barack Obama is often depicted the candidate of “purple America,” the candidate who transcends the red-state/blue-state divide. Indeed, Obama conducted two interviews recently about his views of faith, religion, and politics. But all the interviews served to highlight was that journalists continue to proceed from a red-state/blue-state mindset.

Reporter and author Dan Gilgoff interviewed Obama for Beliefnet. Although Gilgoff wrote an acclaimed book about Dr. James Dobson, practically the religious leader of red-state America, his talk with Obama was less than rigorous. In fact, Gilgoff asked about Obama’s well-known line that blue-staters actually are religious and received the following response:

Your 2004 Democratic National Convention speech introduced you to the nation. And perhaps the most repeated line from that speech was, simply, “We worship an awesome God in the blue states.” Did you think that line would have as much resonance as it wound up having?

Yeah, I did. That’s why I put it in there. I thought it was an important message to send to the country as a whole, but also to my fellow Democrats that nobody has a monopoly on religious belief.

No one of course has a monopoly on religious belief. But what types of beliefs are those? To my disappointment, Gilgoff seems to have failed to pin Obama down. The interview makes no mention of Obama’s answers to the tmatt trio and makes no mention of Obama’s views of controversial cultural issues. The absence of such responses might play well in blue states, but it doesn’t in red states.

redstatebluestae Case in point: Christianity Today‘s interview with Obama. Interviewers Sarah Pulliam and Ted Olsen asked Obama his views of abortion. Instead of pulling their punches, Pulliam and Olsen asked the culturally liberal candidate a tough question:

For many evangelicals, abortion is a key, if not the key factor in their vote. You voted against banning partial birth abortion and voted against notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. What role do you think the President should play in creating national abortion policies?

Obama’s answer did not go beyond the usual Democratic talking points on the issue. Perhaps Pulliam and Olsen should have asked a follow-up question. But Obama’s answer made clear that on this issue, he has not transcended the red-state/blue-state divide.

The CT interview also contained one more piece of news. If elected, Obama might scrap President Bush’s faith-based initative:

So would you keep the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives open or restructure it?

You know, what I’d like to do is I’d like to see how it’s been operating. One of the things that I think churches have to be mindful of is that if the federal government starts paying the piper, then they get to call the tune. It can, over the long term, be an encroachment on religious freedom. So, I want to see how moneys have been allocated through that office before I make a firm commitment in terms of sustaining practices that may not have worked as well as they should have.

While Gilgoff failed to ask Obama about his positions on cultural issues, Pulliam and Olsen failed to ask Obama about his positions on poverty or his health-care plan. I would like to have known whether Obama considered his stands as consistent with his Christian faith.

To his credit, Gilgoff asked about Obama’s pastor, Jeremiah Wright, a black nationalist; and like Pulliam and Olsen, he asked whether Obama considered himself born-again. So the red-state/blue-state divide is not the second coming of the Berlin Wall.

Even so, reading both interviews, you can’t help but think that journalists are as much part of the red-state/blue-state divide as voters.

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  • Jerry

    But Obama’s answer made clear that on this issue, he has not transcended the red-state/blue-state divide.

    From your comment, I assume you could have a policy that would transcend that divide on abortion. If there’s a middle ground between those who want to make it illegal because it’s evil and those who want to decrease the demand for it but leaving the moral choice in women’s hands, I’d love to hear about it.

    I do wish that the interview had asked the followup question: What policies would you put into place that would reduce the number of abortions?

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/00368463715994694203 FrGregACCA

    As with Pat Robertson’s endorsement of Guiliani, I suspect that many people who wish to see abortion made illegal are beginning to understand that even if Fr. Frank Pavone, the head of the RC Priests for Life, were elected President, it would still be unlikely that Roe would be overturned or a Human Life Amendment added to the Constitution. That being the case, Jerry’s follow-up above becomes increasingly relevant. Ironically, given that such policies must involve expenditures with which Democrats are usually more sympathetic than Republicans, voting for a Democrat as President may, in fact, be a very pro-life/anti-abortion act.

  • Jeffrey Weiss

    Terry has his trio. I just have one query that I’d ask any candidate who makes religion part of his/her public, policial persona:

    Can you give me examples of how your religious beliefs inform your positions on matters of public policy?

    Any candidate who can’t give some clearly important and specific examples forfeits the right to claim religion as an important political influence and should be flagged whenever s/he raises religion on the stump.

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  • Roberto Rivera

    Can you give me examples of how your religious beliefs inform your positions on matters of public policy?

    I’m curious: what if they said something like “sure, here are two: biblical teaching about God’s concern for the poor leads me to support a strengthening of the safety, including but not limited to, universal health care for American children and man’s role as a steward of creation leads me to support a strengthening of environmental standards.” Would this meet your criteria for support?

  • Maureen

    “gibed” means mocked or objected insultingly.

    “jived” means agreed.

  • csmith

    Roberto-

    You asked:

    I’m curious: what if they said something like “sure, here are two: biblical teaching about God’s concern for the poor leads me to support a strengthening of the safety, including but not limited to, universal health care for American children and man’s role as a steward of creation leads me to support a strengthening of environmental standards.” Would this meet your criteria for support?

    It would for me – I think Jeffrey nailed the issue that has frustrated me about the media’s coverage of religion in this campaign to date. I’ve seen lots of “gotcha” stories about what candidates believe (i.e. Huckabee’s comments on wives submitting to their husbands) that have absolutely no connection to how those beliefs might influence candidates policy decisions once they’re elected.

    If the media were to dig deeper into this question on both sides of the election I suspect there would be answers from both Democrats and Republicans that I would agree with (and some that I would hate), but I think it would be more helpful to understand how candidates see their beliefs influencing their policy direction than simply hearing stories about what they believe (or, as in the linked CT interview by Sarah Pulliam and Ted Olsen trying to get Obama to use the “born again” catch phrase).

  • http://www.getreligion.org Mark Stricherz

    Maureen, thank you for seeking to correct my use of the word “gibed.”

    It appears, however, that we were both wrong. According to The Free Dictionary, “jibed” means agree, while “jived” means to talk nonsense.

  • http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/ Ted Olsen

    Thanks for your comments on the interview. Our list of follow-up questions we wish we could have asked is very long indeed. But we had ten minutes and did what we could.

    For what it’s worth, I thought the Beliefnet interview was very informative, and that Gilgoff’s provocative questions were appropriate to his outlet. Beliefnet is about “inspiration, spirituality, and faith,” so its questions aren’t often going to be about “controversial cultural issues.” Christianity Today, by contrast, is both narrower (it’s focused on Christianity) and broader (it’s more about Christianity in the world than just not just about inspiration, spirituality, and faith). We’re trying to help Christian thought leaders assess the people, events, and ideas that shape historic evangelicalism’s life, theology, and mission. In other words, Beliefnet is covering the world of religious faith, Christianity Today is covering the world as it relates to a religious faith. So, in my opinion at least, the difference in interviews more to do with mission and audience than with any kind of red/blue divide or bias.

  • Asinus Gravis

    It strikes me that Mark wrote up the stuff about abortion in such as way as to impose the red/blue crap on the discussion. He seems to assume that one’s asnwer on the desirability (or not) of abortion’s legality is the crucial issue separating the reds and the blues. It is possible that such was the case in earlier elections, although I suspect that to be simplistic.

    Poll results I have seen in the last few months indicate that criminalizing abortion is down the lit of important issues with voters–even among the moral issues like the environment, the war, poverty. And Jerry (#1) is on target in suggesting that acting politically to reduce the demand for abortion is at least as religious (even pro-life) as is the criminalization of abortion.

    Jeffrey (#3) wants some reflective religious position by politicians. Is that really fair to all the religious groups represented in this country? Some come across as quite unreflective about both the short term and long term consequences of their religious-political agenda. I believe that Roberto’s (#5) answers would meet Jeffrey’s criteria quite well; they would certainly fit mine.

    Thanks for the explanation of the circumstances of the interview Ted (#9). I too thought the Gilgoff interview was well done, even though I would have liked to see him push harder on the faith-based boondoggles.

    I agree with Mark that the red/blue state crap stiffles serious political analysis. It was never very enlightening, and it is worse than that now.

  • http://www.getreligion.org Mark Stricherz

    It strikes me that Mark wrote up the stuff about abortion in such as way as to impose the red/blue crap on the discussion. He seems to assume that one’s asnwer on the desirability (or not) of abortion’s legality is the crucial issue separating the reds and the blues. It is possible that such was the case in earlier elections, although I suspect that to be simplistic.

    Poll results I have seen in the last few months indicate that criminalizing abortion is down the lit of important issues with voters—even among the moral issues like the environment, the war, poverty. And Jerry (#1) is on target in suggesting that acting politically to reduce the demand for abortion is at least as religious (even pro-life) as is the criminalization of abortion.

    I don’t know if abortion is THE crucial issue separating the reds and blues. But it is A crucial issue. Just read the last two post-election analyses of Stanley Greenberg, Bill Clinton’s old pollster.

    The national Democratic Party fights harder in support of this position than any other; it doesn’t prevent opponents of, say national health insurance or higher taxes or removing the troops of Iraq from speaking at the national convention.

    While abortion is down the list of voters’ concerns, it’s high enough on the list to give millions of votes to Republicans.

    Asinus may dislike the red-state/blue-state divide. But nothing has come along yet to replace it.

  • Jeffrey Weiss

    Yup, those answers would have met my standard. Any specific answer is a good answer, by me.

    If I have time,I might drill down a bit farther: Exactly where in your faith do you find those aspects emphasized? Are there particular passages in the Bible where you find support? Are there other religious teachings (for a Catholic that might be a Papal writing, for example) that aim you in this direction?

    btw, I think that of the top candidates, Obama and Huckabee have been pretty good about connecting their dots. Romney and Clinton, not so good. Edwards someplace between those two. McCain — He has not made his religion a prime part of his political identity, I think? Giuliani — not even on this map.