You’ll eat your kids: tweeting Isaiah through Ezekiel

Previously in Tweeting my way through the Bible: Genesis and Exodus, Leviticus through Deuteronomy, Joshua through Psalms, Proverbs through Song of Songs.

You may want to skip this post. Seriously. I’ve read the Bible cover to cover twice before, but reading these books as carefully as was required by “Tweeting my way through the Bible” project was one of the most depressing things I’ve ever done. Among other things, Jeremiah and Ezekiel both use viciously misogynistic metaphors to denounce following other gods, and all four books describe people eating their family members as a side-effect of God’s punishments. That’s something we’ve seen before in Leviticus and Deuteronomy, but four books in a row… eck.

The worst part is is that I pretty quickly got to the point where I was flat-out ignoring most of the bad stuff, because it had totally ceased to be surprising. What you see below is the worst of the worst, rather than all of it. On the plus side, whenever I’m feeling down I can just read Jeremiah and think to myself, “Well, at least the god of the Old Testament isn’t real.”

  • Isaiah 3:16-17 “The Lord said: Because the daughters of Zion are haughty and walk with outstretched necks, glancing wantonly with their…
  • …eyes, mincing along as they go, tinkling with their feet, the Lord will afflict with scabs the heads of the daughters of Zion, and the…
  • …Lord will lay bare their secret parts.
  • Isaiah 9:17: God didn’t have compassion for the orphans and widows, because they were all godless evildoers.
  • Isaiah 9:19-20: Because of God’s wrath, “the people became like fuel for the fire,” and they ate their own family members.
  • Isaiah 13:15: “Whoever is found will be thrust through, and whoever is caught will fall by the sword.”
  • Isaiah 13:16: “Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes; their houses will be plundered and their wives raped.”
  • Isaiah 13:18: “Their bows will slaughter the young men; they will have no mercy on the fruit of the womb; their eyes will not pity children”
  • Isaiah 14:21 “Prepare slaughter for his sons because of the guilt of their fathers”
  • Isaiah 19:17 “And the land of Judah will bring terror to the Egyptians; everyone to whom Judah is mentioned will be terrified”
  • Isaiah 20:3 “My servant Isaiah has walked naked and barefoot for three years as a sign and a portent against Egypt and Ethiopia.”
  • Isaiah 45:1 The Persian emperor Cyrus is referred to as God’s messiah (Hebrew for “anointed one”)
  • Isaiah 45:7 “I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things.”
  • Isaiah 49:26: “I will feed those who oppress you with their own flesh; and they shall be drunk with their own blood, as with sweet wine”
  • Isaiah 63:6: God will trample people in anger and their blood will stain his clothes.
  • Jeremiah 2:20: God says, “You said, ‘I will not serve you’ and played the whore on every hill and under every tree.”
  • Jeremiah 2:23-24: God says you are a donky in heat. “Any males that pursue her need not tire themselves; at mating time they will find her.”
  • Jeremiah 2:25 God says you said, “I have loved strangers, and after them will I go.” Those damn strangers.
  • In my Bible tweets, I try to avoid explicitly making fun, but the misogyny of some books of the Bible, such as Jeremiah, is hard to ignore.
  • Jeremiah 2:33 “How skilled you are at pursuing love! Even the worst of women can learn from your ways.”
  • Holy misogyny Batman. I remember Ezekiel being bad, forgot Jeremiah was similar.
  • Jeremiah 3:1 God says you’ve been a whore with a lot of lovers, and asks, “would you return to me now?”
  • Jeremiah 3:3: You have the look of a prostitute. You refuse to be ashamed.
  • Jeremiah 3:6 God says Israel acted like a whore on every hill and under every tree.
  • Jeremiah 3:8: God says he divorced Israel. And her sister Judah was a whore too.
  • Jeremiah 3:9: Israel’s immorality mattered so little to her that she committed adultery with stone and wood. Yay sex toys!
  • Jeremiah really needed to get laid.
  • Ezekiel too, but I’m getting ahead of myself.
  • Jeremiah 3:13: God says to acknowledge your gild–you’ve rebelled against him & “scattered your favors” to foreign gods under every tree.
  • Jeremiah 4:6: God says, “I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.”
  • Jeremiah 6:11 God is full of wrath, and will poor it out on children, young men, and married couples.
  • Jeremiah 6:12 “Their houses will be turned over to others, together with their fields and their wives.”
  • Jeremiah 6:19 “I will bring evil upon this people, because they have not listened to my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.”
  • Jeremiah 7:18: God sez “They make cakes for the queen of heaven, and pour out drink as an offering to other gods. This provokes me to anger”
  • Jeremiah 8:10: “Therefore I will give their wives to others…”
  • Jeremiah 12:17: “But if any nation will not listen, then I will utterly pluck it up and destroy it, says the LORD.”
  • Jeremiah 13:26: God says, “I myself will lift up your skirts over your face.”
  • Jeremiah 14:11-12: God says: Don’t pray for these people. I won’t hear their cry. I’ll consume them by the sword, famine, and pestilence.
  • Jeremiah 16:1-4: God told me not to get married and have kids, b/c sons and daughters born here, and their moms and dads, will die horribly.
  • Jeremiah 16:11: God will do this because people worshiped other gods.
  • The idea that love is the central message of the Bible is about as plausible as claiming love was the central message of Osama bin Laden.
  • Your holy book is bad and you should feel bad.
  • Jeremiah 18:21 “Therefore deliver up their children to famine; give them over to the power of the sword, let their wives become childless…
  • Jeremiah 18:21 (cont): …and widowed. May their men meet death by pestilence, their youths be slain by the sword in battle.”
  • Jeremiah 19:4,7: God says: because they have burned incense for other gods, I will make them die by the sword & animals will eat their flesh
  • Jeremiah 19:9: God also says: I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and their daughters, and their neighbors during the siege.
  • Jeremiah 29:17-19: God says, “behold, I will send the sword, famine, and pestilence upon them, because they have not listened to my words.”
  • I want to write a fantasy series with a Religion Of Evil that can’t stop talking about how merciful their deity is. #Bible #Quran
  • Typical scene: followers list things they have been commanded to do to the god’s enemies, then intone, in unison, “Great is His mercy.”
  • Jeremiah 34:22: God says He will make Babylonians burn the city and make the cities of Judah a desolation without an inhabitant.
  • Jeremiah 42:10-17: God says: stay where you are. If you go to Egypt seeking food & safety, I will bring evil upon you.
  • Jeremiah 42:18: God says: if you go to Egypt, I’ll do to you what I did to Jerusalem. You’ll become “a horror, a curse, and a taunt.”
  • Jeremiah 44: God will use the sword, famine, and pestilence to punish the Jews of Egypt for burning incense to other gods.
  • Jeremiah 46:10: “For this is… a day of vengeance… and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood.”
  • Jeremiah 48:8: “The destroyer shall come upon every city… the valley shall perish, the plain shall be destroyed, as the LORD has spoken.”
  • Jeremiah 48:10 “Cursed is he who does the work of the LORD with slackness; and cursed is he who keeps back his sword from bloodshed.”
  • Jeremiah 49:2: God sez: “Rabbah of the Ammonites… shall be a desolate heap, and her daughters shall be burned with fire”
  • Lamentations 2:20 “Look, O LORD, and see! Who have you done this to? Should women eat their offspring, the children of their tender care?”
  • Lam 2:21 “In the streets lie the young and the old; my maidens and my young men have fallen by the sword” (because God killed them in anger)
  • Lam 4:4 “The tongue of the nursling cleaves to the roof of its mouth for thirst; the children beg for food, but no one gives to them.”
  • Lam 4:9 “Happier were the victims of the sword than the victims of hunger, who pined away, stricken by want of the fruits of the field.”
  • Unexpected effect of tweeting my way through the Bible: becoming numb to the horrible stuff in it. Will be glad when this is over.
  • Lam 4:10 “Compassionate women have boiled their own children; they became their food in the destruction of the daughter of my people.”
  • The God of the Old Testament had a strange obsession with forcing people to eat their own kids.
  • Lam 4:11 “The LORD gave full vent to his wrath, he poured out his hot anger; and he kindled a fire in Zion, which consumed its foundations.”
  • Lam 4:21 “You shall become drunk and strip yourself bare.”
  • Oh joy, I have to tweet my way through Ezekiel next.
  • A bit of context for the Bible’s horrors: 
  • The description of the creatures in Ezekiel 1 is somewhat hard to follow, but this seems to be the idea.
  • Ezek 5:9-10 “And because of all your abominations, I will do to you what I have never yet done… parents shall eat their children.”
  • Ezek 6:5 God says: “I will lay the dead carcasses of the children of Israel before their idols.”
  • Ezek 8:14-15: Women were sitting weeping for Tammuz. Then God said to me, “See that? You will see still greater abominations than that.”
  • Ezek 9:4-6: A plan to kill everyone in a city, young & old, unless they “sigh and groan over all the abominations that are committed in it.”
  • Ezek 9:7 God says, “Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain. Go!”
  • Ezek 13:10 “They lead my people astray saying “Peace” when there is no peace, and when a flimsy wall is built they cover it with whitewash.”
  • Ezek 16:1-14: God imagines Jerusalem to a beautiful woman, and tells her about how nice he was to her.
  • Ezek 16:15 “But you trusted in your beauty, and played the whore because of your fame, and lavished your whorings on any passer-by.”
  • Ezek 16:16 “You took some of your garments, and made for yourself colorful shrines, and on them played the whore.”
  • Ezek 16:17 God says: You took the gold and silver I gave you, “and made for yourself male images, and with them played the whore.”
  • Ezek 16:25 “At the head of every street you built your lofty place and prostituted your beauty, offering yourself to every passer-by.”
  • Ezek 16:26 “You played the whore with the Egyptians, your lustful neighbors, multiplying your whoring, to provoke me to anger.”
  • Ezek 16:28 “You played the whore with the Assyrians, because you were insatiable.”
  • Ezek 16:29 “You multiplied your whoring with Chaldea, the land of merchants; and even with this you were not satisfied.”
  • Ezek 16:33 “Gifts are given to all whores; but you gave gifts to all your lovers, bribing them to come to you from all around.”
  • Memo to Ezekiel: if a woman pays men to have sex with her, she’s not the prostitute.
  • Ezek 16:34 “No one solicited you to play the whore; and you gave payment, while no payment was given to you; you were different.”
  • Ezekiel keeps using that word, I do not think it means what he thinks it means.
  • (Though I admit it’s possible the Hebrew word meant something different.)
  • Ezek 16:37 God says: I will gather all your lovers together, and “uncover your nakedness to them.”
  • Okay… I’m going to have to tweet through this misogynistic garbage in Ezekiel really slowly, I can’t stomach it all at once.
  • Is Ezekiel 16:37 saying, “You act slutty, you gonna get raped?” Serious question.
  • Ezek 16:39: God, to Jerusalem, who he’s been calling a whore: “I will deliver you into their hands… they shall strip you of your…
  • Ezek 16:39 (con’t) …clothes and take your beautiful objects and leave you naked and bare.”
  • Ezek 16:40 “They shall bring up a mob against you, and they shall stone you and cut you to pieces with their swords.”
  • Ezek 16:41 “They shall burn your houses and execute judgments on you in the sight of many women.”
  • Ezek 16:49 “This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy”
  • Ezek 20:21-22: God was going to “pour out his wrath” on the Jews, but he decided not to to avoid “profaning his name” among other nations.
  • Ezek 20:25 “I gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances by which they could not live.”
  • Ezek 20:26 “I defiled them… in their offering up all their firstborn, so that I might horrify them, & that they might know I am the Lord.”
  • Ezek 23:1-2: God starts telling us about two sisters.
  • Ezek 23:3: “They played the whore in Egypt in their youth; their breasts were caressed there, and their virgin bosoms were fondled.”
  • Ezek 23:4-5 Oholah (the older sister) “played the whore while she was mine; she lusted after her lovers the Assyrians.”
  • Ezek 23:9-10: God delivers Oholah into the hands of the Assyrians, who “uncover her nakedness,” seize her children, and kill her.
  • Ezekiel 23: Now returning to the tale of the whore sisters.
  • Ezek 23:11 “Her sister Oholibah saw this, yet she was more corrupt than her sister in her lusting and in her whorings.”
  • Ezek 23:13-16: She saw pictures of Babylonians, and lusted after them, and sent them messages.
  • Ezek 23:17 “And the Babylonians came, and they defiled her with their lust; and then she turned from them in disgust.”
  • Ezek 23:18 “When she carried on her whorings so openly and flaunted her nakedness, I turned in disgust from her.”
  • Ezek 23:19: Yet she increased her whorings, remembering the days of her youth, when she played the whore in the land of Egypt.
  • Ezek 23:20 “and lusted after her paramours there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose emission was like that of stallions.”
  • Ezek 23:25: What God will do to the 2nd whore sister: make her lovers cut off her nose and ears, and take her children from her.
  • Ezek 23 make also imply the 2nd sister will be raped too, it’s not clear.
  • Ezek 23:34: God tells the second sister she will tear out her own breasts.
  • I just reread all my tweets from Isaiah through Ezekiel. Makes me want to curl up in a ball and cry.
  • I mean, four Biblical books in a row with references to God making people eat their own family members? Christ.
  • Bronze Dog

    It’s really staggering to see it all laid out like that. One more reason why Bible reading is a big cause of atheism.

    • Smidoz

      When it is combined with the fallacy of the false alternative. A good argument against the Bible, or its God isn’t a good argument for atheism. It’s really simple, if I assume any number of non-Abrahamic religions (with malevolent gods/godesses like Hera) or deism with a disinterested deity, then it shows that reviewing the Bible doesn’t really help to arrive at atheism, unless you’re just not willing to examine all the other religions. I seldom hear any New Atheists formulating arguments against say Hinduism, or Buddhism. one could easily make the argument that while there may be no good arguments for a Christian God, atheism suffers the same problem, no really conclusive arguments in support of it, and no, the Ultimate Boeing 747 Gambit isn’t a strong argument.

      An example, yes, Christianity has a problem of evil, deism doesn’t. Hinduism has Karma, and Wicca has the rule of three, of course we all believe that those kids in Somalia are far more evil than well fed serial killers and mass murderers in US prisons. I seldom (if ever) hear New Atheists attacking this rather obvious fallacy.

      • MNb

        The fact that there aren’t any good arguments for Hinduism (quite an antifemale religion btw, not to mention that the system of caste runs into the same ethical problems as the idea of heavenly reward as justification), Buddhism or any religion is a good enough argument pro atheism.

        • Smidoz

          No argument against any religion is a good argument pro atheism, deism isn’t a religion, therefore refuting any particular religion doesn’t help an atheist, since the atheist claim is that no deity exists, which would require omniscience to claim at any level of certainty. You probably can’t change what you instinctively believe, but reason alone can’t arrive at atheism.

      • eric

        Smidoz – I disagree. It is certainly possible to say: I empirically evaluated revelatory system one, and it was wrong. I empirically evaluated revelatory system two, and it was wrong. I empirically evaluated revelatory system three, and it was wrong. Therefore, based on my best information to date, revelatory systems in general are highly unreliable.

        Just because there are a theoretically infinite number of them we haven’t investigated does not mean we have to withold judgement on them as a class. We can certainly come to generalized conclusions based on the data we have. That’s what induction is all about.

        • Smidoz

          In the New Atheist movement, the first, & mostly only, three systems evaluated are all Abrahamic, so it’s still one class. The problem with an inductive leap of this kind is that, in many cases, you’re dealing with vastly different things, so let’s look at another inductive leap & see ho that works for you.

          As someone who has grown up around and worked with animals for most of my life, I can assure you that living things, only come from living things, therefore, all living things originate from living things, therefore there is no origin for life. If there is no origin for life, then some being pre-existed the universe, at least as far as the evidence goes, and such a being/s is/are generally referred to as deity. Therefore a basic inductive leap made from data eliminates atheism as an option, if you don’t accept my inductive leap, why should I accept yours.

          • smrnda

            Induction only really works in mathematics, it’s sometimes a loose stretch to apply inductive reasoning to real life. I mean, I could make a graph of how marathon records get shorter, and inductive reasoning might imply that at some point in time, someone will run a 10 minute marathon, but the problem is that the physical world has limitations.

          • Smidoz

            Interesting, but I was arguing against what was basically an inductive argument, so your argument doesn’t weaken mine in the context of the discussion.

            I very much doubt that you really believe that you can’t apply induction to real life, or I’d have to ask if you believe in anything at all. Cosmology, whether big bang or an inflationary universe from quantum fields is inductive; evolution is inductive; the fact that we expect gravity to not fail us tomorrow, is inductive; pretty much the whole idea of atheism is based on induction, which is interesting, since the reasoning is then circular. As an example, whenever I bring up issues surrounding the origin of life, & the inadequacy of a purely atheist view of explaining it, the atheist standard retort is, science will eventually answer the question, this applies to any response involving the god-of -the-gaps argument. The idea that science will find these answers is based on induction, science does answer questions, therefore it will continue to.

        • Bronze Dog

          Just because there are a theoretically infinite number of them we haven’t investigated does not mean we have to withold judgement on them as a class. We can certainly come to generalized conclusions based on the data we have. That’s what induction is all about.

          The way I see it, atheism is much like withholding judgement: Tentatively assume the null hypothesis (there are no gods) until that null hypothesis has been falsified by the demonstration of one or more gods. In the absence of evidence, it’s belief that needs justification, not disbelief. I don’t need to explore the entire universe to tentatively conclude there are no unicorns.

          An additional quirk of the god topic worth mentioning: I don’t think I need to justify disbelief in something that lacks a coherent and/or consistent definition.

          As for the point of all the horrible passages: A savage god isn’t any less plausible than a benevolent one, so no, I don’t think they do all that much about the question of its existence on their own. It does lead into possible disproof in a larger context when taken with the contradictory description of an omnibenevolent god. In my experience, the self-contradiction is usually overcome with a lot of ad hoc hypotheses, redefinitions of “good” and “evil” in weird ways, and/or simply defining morality to be arbitrary.

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  • Christensen

    Well, in this country child sacrifice is regularly made to the Gods of Career, Quality of Life, and Opportunity.

    Its called Abortion, and is done in Temples around the country called “Clinics” where an Offering is Mad to the Official doing the Sacrifice.

    • eric

      Granting your analogy for sake of argument (and only for that), there is still a huge difference: the people doing such things do not simultaneously claim to be the omnipotent, omnibenevolent God of Love when they do them. Your argument is basically “Oh yeah? Well you act just as badly as God!” That’s not much of a defense of theism.

      Let’s take Ezek 23:18 as a case. If I were to ‘turn away in disgust’ from a sexually active woman, it means I’m unmerciful and misogynistic. But I’m human; this might not be all that surprising. Depressing, but not surprisng. However, when your God turns away from the same woman in disgust, you are going to have a heck of a time trying to convince me that he is uber merciful and caring.

    • Chris Hallquist

      What Eric said. Also, read Libby Anne’s recent posts on abortion.

    • Bronze Dog

      And of course, it’s worth pointing out that we don’t normally grant the assertion that a fetus is a child, and I’d want people to have access to contraception and early abortion to minimize the chances of crossing fuzzy lines. Before you accuse me of dehumanizing, I would argue that elevating something like a single-celled zygote as human would be a far more insidious means of warping the value of human beings. A single cell is only “human” in the genetic sense, since it lacks any sort of sentience, sapience, thought, emotion, or consciousness, and those are the things we value and identify as “human,” not DNA.

      Of course, as has been pointed out, your attempt to claim the moral high ground falls flat when you’ve got a barbarian god who expects to be revered as saintly. Your god falls far below the most lenient standards I use for judging human beings.

  • C.J. O’Brien

    Ezekiel keeps using that word, I do not think it means what he thinks it means. (Though I admit it’s possible the Hebrew word meant something different.)

    There are two related Hebrew words being translated as “whore” and “whoring”: zanah and taznuth. They did not specifically mean “prostitution”, though prostitution per se would certainly be covered, as they meant most generally “fornicating” and also would have been used commonly for aldultery and un-sanctioned sex of any kind. The terms in the prophetic books carry a strong connotation of idolatry. The chosen people were metaphorically conceived of as the spouse of God, and their worshipping of other gods is frequently described in the OT as lusting or whoring after them.

  • Patrick

    To Smidoz- it’s not irrational to have your opinion changed by a powerful undercutting defeater. No fallacies needed at all.

    • baal

      Since the tree ran out of replies to Smidoz, i’ll reply here.
      “whenever I bring up issues surrounding the origin of life, & the inadequacy of a purely atheist view of explaining it” Yeah, you lost here and showed what really was under your formalistic argument about disproof of one thing doesn’t prove another. I will grant you your point formally and then point out that real life is not based on formal points (i.e. you’ve cleaved off too much context).
      First off, an aside. there is nothing in atheism that demands a scientific level of proof on the origin of life. Nothing. You can come fairly to a lack of god belief from a number of routes including noticing that god beliefs track nearly perfectly with geography and cultural history of a child’s parents. Because kalam! is not needed for your religion either fwiw, I don’t demand various religionists prove the origin of life and, regardless, wouldn’t accept goddidit as an explanation. I would look to a religionist to show that their system of belief really does maximize human flourishing or that they have somesort or lock on ‘truth’ (they don’t).
      To my main point – context matters in reality. If you start going through religious texts and the fact statements about reality from various religions, you start to notice a pattern. There are lots of errors and the supernatualistic explanations always fall by the way side for any knowable issue. The OT ( I admit I gave up on the list above about half way through due to the evidence being cumulative (which was the point btw)) is a prime target for atheists in the USA since it does somewhat kill 3 birds with one stone but it’s not unique. I’ve seen similar pieces on other religions and have seen testimony from ex-hindus, ex-buddists, and ex-others that say there is not that much difference as to the kinds and types of errors. In summary, after you investigate a set of claims over and over and they continue to fail for validity or have just one horror after another you can reasonably generalize about similar claims.

  • Bo Bannister

    Yes, I get it. I understand that there are many reasons why you would not want to believe in a god, or what have you. But you’re using these quotes quite ridiculously. The way these texts are written is in a way that deals with the reality that this is what happens in ancient Middle Eastern war, and also modern war. Israel had a unique calling and experience, which could have proven salvific for the entire world. What if we create a different kind of society and way of doing things that connects with our own experience of being liberated from slavery and oppression? But they would rather get caught up in the power games of the rest of the nations, and God tells them what the consequences are for getting caught up in grabs for power and wealth instead of trusting in God (the premise behind idolatry). Your cities will end up under siege, where you will run out of food and eat your own kids. Women are raped by invading soldiers. God says this as a way of disgrace (and there is nothing more disgraceful than being publicly stripped of your clothing – “Look at how far you have fallen!” It’s horrible, and this is one way of making sense of it all, to say, “Does it have to be like this? Is there a divine liberator who can redeem us from slavery to this awful cycle?” That’s the big picture anyway. And Israel’s scriptures do make the buck stop with God who oversees and is sovereign over all this. But there is much metaphor and indirect language describing how nations reap the consequences of their policies. I know that will not win you over to theism, but you’re missing the bigger picture of these texts and taking the most horrible verses one-by-one without realizing they are actually describing the way the world is without God (if you read between the lines) than the way God would have the world to be because God is a monster.

    • eric

      The way these texts are written is in a way that deals with the reality that this is what happens in ancient Middle Eastern war, and also modern war.

      So, the Lord only lays bare the secret parts of lustful women in wartime? Your argument makes no sense; many of Chris’ quotes are obvious referrals to female behavior in general.

      God tells them what the consequences are for getting caught up in grabs for power and wealth instead of trusting in God (the premise behind idolatry).

      Yep, telling them what horrible things would happen and then not doing anything else was exactly what he did. I’m just surprised anyone could see this as a good behavior. I guess there are Gods who don’t let their kids play with the bandsaw, and Gods who warn “you’ll cut off your leg,” let them play with it, and then say “see, I told you you’d cut off your leg.” Yahweh appears to be the latter sort.

      they are actually describing the way the world is without God (if you read between the lines) than the way God would have the world to be

      Well, he’s omnipotent and omniscent, so what’s stopping him from making it the way he would have it be?

      • Anat

        The Israelites of prophetic times did not believe their god was omni-anything, nor did they see him as the only god in existence. So modern believers are taking things out of context just as much. But considering that the Levant was being invaded and conquered all the time, the whole cannibalism theme may be describing events the prophets heard of from people who experienced them.

        • Maria

          O rly?

          Proverbs 15:3 The eyes of the Lord are everywhere, keeping watch on the wicked and the good.

          2 Chronicles 16:9 For the eyes of the LORD range throughout the earth to strengthen those whose hearts are fully committed to him. You have done a foolish thing, and from now on you will be at war.”

          Job 34:21 “His eyes are on the ways of mortals; he sees their every step.

          Jeremiah 16:17 My eyes are on all their ways; they are not hidden from me, nor is their sin concealed from my eyes.

          Sounds omni-something to me.

      • L. Anderson

        The number one thing that stops God from making everything the way He wants it is called free will. He gave it to us, because he wants us to get off our high horses and choose to love Him. He is the God of Love (Agape in the original text) but he is also a just God. And when His people turned away from Him, he punished them. This was part of the covenant He made with Abraham and that each generation after entered into of their own free will. God promised that if they would follow Him they would be blessed and if they turned from Him they would be cursed. Now, as far as the Isrealites of prophetic times not believing that God is the one true god, you are incorrect. The Bible clearly says, “Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him.” Deuteronomy 4:35 This was written by Moses, to the Isrealite people. Instead of reading the Bible looking for “depravity” as you may call it, you need to seek to understand it, even if you do not believe what it says.

    • Chris Hallquist

      Yes, these verses are describing things that happened in war back then. But they also are explicit that it was something God himself did to punish people. In fact, it’s the equivalent of someone today saying that God caused the September 11th attacks to punish us for our sins.

    • Bronze Dog

      If you’re complaining that we’re reading the context incorrectly, how about giving us examples and how they support your interpretation? I’m not seeing anything good so far. As for this allegedly showing a world without god, I really don’t get how you can see that. I see a savage god perpetuating savagery.

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