Large “wholesale” dog breeding facility (puppy mill) approved for Gorham, NY

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4446 Route 247 in Gorham, NY, the approved site of the proposed large scale, wholesale dog breeding facility.

According to the Messenger Post newspapers in Canandaigua, NY, plans for a new dog breeding facility have been approved by the Ontario County Planning Board. The facility “could house hundreds of dogs in a new building planned for 4446 Route 247, north of the intersection of Lake to Lake Road” in Gorham, NY.

The Ontario County Planning Board unanimously approved Curtis and Jolene Martins’ request for a special use permit, as well as the Martin’s site plan following a public hearing last week. According to the article:

“The Martins presented detailed engineering and design plans for what Harvey said would be a wholesale business in a new building equipped for anywhere from 200 to 600 dogs, depending on the size of the animals. “

The Martins run a puppy mill called Puppies R Us in Varick, NY, in Seneca County, a notorious hotbed for puppy mill breeding facilities. Animal welfare groups across the country keep their eyes on what happens there.

So here’s the catch: the Martin’s new facility is planned for Gorham, NY, which is in Ontario County. Not in the notorious puppy mill hotbed of Seneca County.

On December 19, 2011, Curtis Martin and the architect for the proposed facility, Curtis Long, appeared before the Gorham, NY planning board to address the board’s questions and concerns about noise, waste removal, and construction.

Martin said the facility would “disturb” about 3/4 of an acre for about a facility that would house about 500 dogs. Did I read that right? Because if that’s not a flaming, blazing red flag, I don’t know what is.

Martin was also asked about the disposal of dead dogs – he replied that they would be composted or buried on the property.

And when asked by board member Ms. Watkins whether there would be outside kennel facilities, Curtis Martin replied that there would not be, that all kennels would be inside as would exercise runs.

Danger, Will Robinson!!

At least one board member asked about USDA inspections; Martin said that at his other facility, which houses 400 dogs, the USDA inspected twice last year. Martin’s explanation for contamination containment was vague – he proposed not bringing in disease with proper handwashing, and that no one other than employees would be able to enter the facility.

The major problem with this, of course, is the Gorham board’s apparent plan to rely on the USDA to ensure that the Martin’s actually follow the regulations. If no one except employees are allowed to enter the building, and the USDA only checks in twice a year, isn’t there a lack of oversight?

But there’s a question even bigger than that:

When a planning board looks at a proposal like this, don’t they consider more than just the engineering plans, the environmental impact, the building codes? Do they consider the humanity of such an enterprise? That using dogs to systematically breed and sell puppies has an aspect beyond economic? That we’re talking about living, breathing, feeling animals?

Because a “wholesale” facility with a “state of the art” waste removal system that houses between 200 and 600 dogs is still a puppy mill. Just because a female dog is bred over and over and over in a cage with a modern poop removal system doesn’t mean it’s any less humane.

I suspect that wasn’t a large concern. Ontario Planning Board Chairman Tom Harvey is quoted in the story saying, “It is a business in an agricultural district, a sound facility.”

Of course, no one expects a large scale puppy mill in beautiful Ontario County. But just because a clothing manufacturer, for example, has a state of the art facility in a manufacturing district doesn’t mean the employees are being treated humanely. And not to anthropomorphize too much, those dogs are the “employees”.

There were some comments from people in attendance. Bill Glitch asked about breeding more small dogs than the public might want; Hella Santee asked about the ground water, since she lives nearby and has a shallow well; Margaret Brewin asked about composting the dead animals with the amount of clay in the soil.

At the end, the board listed some things they wanted more information about: noise, composting dead animals, water runoff, deliveries and storage, how visitors to the facility would decontaminate themselves, disposal system and DEC requirements, water usage calculation, that utilities would be underground, and the number of breeding dogs would be more clearly determined.

Not one single person questioned the morality of a wholesale dog breeding facility, asked what the size of the cages would be, how often the dogs would be exercised, or other questions about the actual care of the animals.

Of course, asking the breeder to make sure not to make noise or otherwise draw attention to the facility only ensures the puppy mill will operate unchecked. Out of sight (and sound), out of mind.

You can read the minutes of the December meeting, along with questions from those in attendance, here. When the public hearing was re-opened on January 23, the Martins apparently addressed concerns satisfactorily enough for the board.

One of the questions from the audience mentioned 4520 Route 247 in Gorham, saying that if the paper has listed that property as the one in question, more people would have come to the meeting. The property appears to be for sale or has a sale pending. The property at 4446 Route 247, where the facility will be, was sold last August for. $275,000. If you live in Gorham, NY, I’d love to know why that might make a difference to residents.

And how do you feel about having a puppy mill in your backyard? Curtis Martin was quoted in the MPN.com article, when asked about plans for the breeding facility, with this response: “It is my own personal business.” When you run a commercial enterprise like a puppy mill – and when you house 500 adult dogs and process about 1,000 puppies every year … yeah, that’s a puppy mill – are you not accountable to your neighbors? And aren’t your neighbors obligated to ask questions? Or is the attitude different in a primarly agricultural area?

For ways to help stop puppy  mills, visit The Humane Society of the US’s website.

UPDATE 2/3/12: Readers speak out on the Gorham dog breeding facility

UPDATE 2/4/12: What you can do about animal cruelty in your community (whether you live in Gorham or not) - This issue has gotten out of control with people going off in a hundred directions. PLEASE read this update before going off in a hundred directions with protests and FB pages and other things that will raise the emotion level but not address the issues.

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  • Jennifer

    I am so angry about this whole situation I could literally bust. Of course the planning board didn’t think to inquire about the animals, why would they? Others, in allowing “businesses” like this to operate in their communities, have set a hefty precedent that this is somehow acceptable as long as the dogs are quiet and the waste is contained. Disgusting, no other word for it.

    • Joe Varga

      The board that approved that facility can not question morality or health only zoning. The office that will be charged with inspection has naught to do with the approval process. It is a government structural failure. None of the individuals can be blamed for their actions, they are following the law. ‘Tis quite sad, but true in this case.

      • Colleen

        Taking all of that into account, they are still human and know in the back of their minds that allowing this facility is just wrong and can vote no. They do not HAVE to vote yes…..you make it sound like they have no other choice than to vote a yes on any zoning proposal. There is always a loophole- FIND ONE to save these animals from a life of misery!!!

        • Kathy

          Town boards cannot just vote”no” to something based on their feelings. That is a sure way to find themselves in court.

          THERE WILL BE A PRE-MEETING OF PEOPLE ATTENDING THE TOWN MEETING SO THAT WE CAN SOMEWHAT ORGANIZE OUR THOUGHTS. THIS PRE-MEETING WILL BE HELD WEDNESDAY 2/8/2012 AT 6 PM AT THE CRYSTAL BEACH FD ON EAST LAKE RD. THE TOWN BOARD MEETS AT 7:30 at the town hall.

    • Derek

      Im excited and wish them nothing but the best of luck with their usda approved business!!!

  • Melissa Cocola

    A friend just sent me this link and I am crying about this right now.What can we do to stop him? Can we start a petition?He can not be allowed to torture these animals in the name of greed!!!Please let me know what the public can do. Can we call media?The thought of this prison is beyond heartbreaking.Clearly this monster does not care about the well being of these dogs.”Disposal of dead dogs?That comment alone is enough for me.PLEASE tell me what we can do! I can make this my full time job right now if it means stopping this operation.

    • Holly

      I’m with you Melissa. Look me up on facebook. I live 20 min from where they plan to build this hell.

    • Tammie Bean

      There is a petition already started go to Northeastern Boston Terrier Rescue.

  • Carolyn

    Start a petition!! I will sign it and forward it to everyone I know!

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    • Holly

      When and where? I’m there!

  • Karen

    The idea of this proposed facility is disgusting and inhumane. It must be stopped. Why are some people only motivated by money?

    • lori

      The breeders work hard for the money they make. Most breeders take better care of their pets than most people including shelters. They get up at night and work all day. The animal rights sit at a desk, make up lies, live rich off of your money. A couple years ago a PETA worker was working for a farmer close here and the PETA WORKER was cutting out the calves eye balls. He took video and tried to sue the farmer saying this is what this farmer does. Thankfully the farmer had cameras set up and caught the PETA worker red handed. The farmers and breeders are working. They don’t have time in sit on the computer and even tell you the truth about the animal rights.

      • Harriet

        Lori – you are truly stupid. I volunteer at a shelter, and I can tell you that we’ve never hauled out any dog and shot them rather than giving a flea treatment – which is exactly what a pair of brothers running a puppy mill did when they were told that the 80 dogs they had needed to be treated for fleas, they hauled every last dog out of their barn, one at a time and shot them, because 80 bullets was cheaper than 80 flea treatments. Most breeders do NOT take better care of their pets than most people do. I can’t believe you are so stupid to actually believe that BS. This facility is going to house 500 dogs, who won’t ever experience the intellectual and social stimulation that most companion dogs receive. Explain how these dogs will be better taken care of than most dogs… Are they going to each be given at least three thirty-minute individual play sessions or walks every day? Are they going to be challenged intellectually, given training and play games with people and other dogs? If so, then for 500 dogs, the facility would need about 94 full-time people working eight hours a day, every day of the week – just to do play and social stimulation sessions for each dog. How about the “breeding stock”? I’ll bet this facility will push to have every female dog bred every possible cycle – which is simply not healthy for the mother dog. How are the puppies going to be socialized during the first two months of their lives? Is the facility going to have each dog checked for all of the possible breed’s genetic issues (such as Penn-hip tests for dysplasia, PKA for their eyes, etc.) and will they NOT breed those dogs with those traits? I’m sure they’ll just push the dogs on anyhow and foist those poor puppies on an unsuspecting public who doesn’t know to ask about such things. Yeah, I’ve talked with some breeders – and while I’m sure there are some breeders who are dealing with top-quality Westminster show quality bloodlines that do take care of their dogs, most “breeders” I’ve come across don’t. I know one breeder who wanted $500 for “purebred beagle-pit-maybe shiba inu” puppies and never even had them checked by a vet. Most of those puppies went for less than $50 or landed in the shelter system when he couldn’t sell all of them.

  • Paul J

    This has to be stopped! Thousands of perfectly healthy dogs are killed in shelters every single day. There is absolutely no excuse to breed yet more to add to this problem. Disgusted!

  • Terri Davison

    These board members must have taken leave of their senses! Thousands upon thousands of cats and dogs…including puppies and kittens…are put down every year in the state of New York. Aside from the obvious humane objections (hundreds of dogs housed on less than an acre? Seriously?) is the question of adding to the burden of animal control agencies across the state and across the nation. These agencies are funded by our tax dollars. In effect, Gorham NY wants to allow these puppy mill operators to benefit from the taxes we pay to support animal control.

    Open your eyes, Gorham NY! There are purebred dogs being killed every day because there are not enough homes for them. Adding to the problem is just plain dumb.

  • Ada Simms

    I have contacted the D&C and waiting to hear is this might a hot topic. YES!!! I don’t live in that county but I will do what I can. We need people who live there that want to make a chance. We can support them in many ways. This man has had inspections from his previous puppy mill and written up because he could not produce paper work on 30 dogs at one time. We have to stop him.

    • lori

      He had paper work for these puppies. With USDA you give each puppy (the minute they are born) a identification number attached to the pen and records stating every thing about that puppy. That’s what was missing. He had all the paper work, birthdate, deworming and vacinne records and medical records, Mom, Father, breed, sex.

      • Harriet

        Clearly, you must have a financial stake in this Lori. Instead of breeding puppies, where so many will end up eventually in our already over-crowded shelter system, why don’t you go get yourself knocked up and put the baby up for adoption to some nice couple who can’t conceive their own child. And as soon as you can after that, get knocked up again, repeat and do that over-and-over again until your body is worn out, exhausted and you become tired of life.
        That’s what puppy mill breeders do to their dogs.
        Oh wait – you wouldn’t want to spend your life like that, would you? So why are you going to force this upon dogs? Because you want more money in your life?
        On second thought – please don’t ever get pregnant. We don’t need to purposely breed offspring as stupid, greedy and inhumane as you.

  • jane eagle

    What these boards are concerned with is money. Period. They will not entertain moral considerations, and it may not be legal for them to do so. I highly recommend that those wanting to fight this permit assemble and present the cost to the community of the dog shelter. I realize these poor dogs will be sold everywhere; but without puppy mills and backyard breeders, they’d need maybe 2 employees for Animal Control, and maybe 5 cages, for lost/found dogs. Every one above that is the result of these breeders, who make their profits and then leave it up to the taxpayers to cover the cost of housing and killing the overabundance they “create”. If that doesn’t get them, look for problems with wastewater disposal, contamination possibilities of local wells, and the “composting” of an unknown number of dead bodies. All these require a LOT of oversight; and we will get much farther with this approach than appealing to anyone’s morality. As a Board, they are legally bound to approve any application for a legal business which meets building requirements; otherwise they may open themselves to lawsuits, which they would likely lose.
    If you oppose more puppy mills, until the laws are changed, this is how you stop them. It also wouldn’t hurt if USDA got lots of complaints about noise, smell, screams, and other indications that the facility is not well run…

  • Cindy

    With seriously overcrowded shelters and sanctuaries, and the fact that we know what puppy mills are like, how can you approve such a facility? Shame on you Gortham, NY

  • Kathy

    First, according to the article, the town has NOT issued final approval. I live in Gorham and have had dealings with this board time and again. The questions raised will have to be answered. However, as long as the facility LEGALLY meets the building and zoning restrictions, the town cannot prevent them from building. Noone on the board asked a moral question because really that cannot play into their decision. If it does, or even SEEMS to play into their decision, they will end up in court. Plain and simple. es, this is an emotional issue, and you can believe I will be watching this closely. BUT, you cannot prevent people doing what they want with their land as long as they legally meet their obligations. Last thing I want is for a bunch of PETA fanatics coming down on our town. Shoot-we also have lots of Mennonites here-does anyone question how they care for their animals? Many not well, I assure you.

    • Joanne Brokaw

      Kathy, I misread that then, my apologies. I have a question, tho: they can’t ask about the morality, but can’t they ask about the size of cages, the USDA regulations for size required, how they’ll manage that with different sized dogs, etc? I live in a small town and have chickens; I had to have a specific amt of room for each chicken of floor space and outside run space. I didn’t read where they even addressed that. Cage material, amount of exercise space, etc. I’m sure the USDA had regulations (minimal as they might be) and I would think there would be discussion about that kind of care.

      Joanne

      • lori

        USDA has a formula to determine size of dogs to size of pens. Dogs must get exercise every day or have pens big enough. Most cage material is made of plastic covered wire. Plastic wood is approved but it can never be chewed on as it makes a sharp point. All material has to be sanatizable. Wood, carpet, non sealed concrete, grass, dirt isn’t permitted. At the breeders training classes USDA breeders attend, the vets teach them it is not a good ideal to let dogs you are raising puppies from run on grass, dirt or anything that can not be sanatized. USDA makes breeders clean daily and remove dogs from pens and sanitize with approved cleaner every 2 weeks. In the last year USDA has toughen up alot of laws. Sometimes inspecters come with 2 vets and check all dogs, teeth, ears, paws, skin and etc. Breeders now have to take all dogs to the vet each year to have their teeth cleaned or take vet training classes to do it theirself. They have a daily medical log for all dogs. And yes this is in New York.

        • Harriet

          Really? The breeders now are trained on anesthesia techniques so that they can properly clean the dogs teeth? Somehow, I seriously doubt that they are going to do that… They are planning on housing 500 dogs? Let’s say it take an hour to properly anesthetize a dog, clean their teeth and then ensure the dog is okay afterwards. The facility would need to have one staff person doing back-to-back dental cleanings for nearly 13 straight weeks out of the year.
          As I said before, I’ve heard enough of the puppy mill breeders, so cheap on taking care of their dogs that they’d rather shoot them dead as opposed to give them a flea treatment.

  • Kathy

    Oh-and @ Jane-how in the world does this mean $$ for the Board? Taxes? Maybe, but the taxes on a parcel zoned AG are minimal. I do agree that they will need another animal control person-I know the one now, who also has another job here in town. We are small. I think it MAY be wise to make sure the local lake protection group is involved. THis location is rather close to one of the most beautiful of the Finger Lakes that is close to Rochester, and, as such, finds itself home to many of Rochesters power brokers. Perhaps THEY are the ones who need to know….ie the Wegmans.

    • Debbie

      Ms. Kathy – with all due respect to a fellow town resident, this is an AGRICULTURAL application. We do not need a bunch of ‘Rochester power brokers’ or animal rights wackadoodles voicing their opinions on TOWN matters when they have no stake in it. Some of our neighbors treat their animals as a farm commodity, no emotion attached. Others have names for every animal on the place. They are treated well with food and shelter. ALL Mennonite animals, much like the Amish, earn their keep, whether it is providing income through milk or meat, sale of offspring, or pulling the family buggy. All of our animals serve a purpose right up until they are euth’d and disposed of or sold to the livestock market. The last thing any farmer needs is more governmental interference. We are custodians of the land, and causing damage to it would destroy our way of life.

      • Joanne Brokaw

        Debbie, I think that the reason people are opposing the idea of a Mennonite farm is that the Amish are notorious for puppy mills – really, really, really bad, nasty, horrific conditions. The Midwest is rife with mills and PA is a hotbed of Amish puppy mills, too. So there is a legitimate concern when animal welfare people hear “Mennonite” and “dog breeding facility.” That’s why I think you’re hearing such upset.
        Joanne

        • lori

          Face facts, which anybody with even half a brain should understand: animals regardless what kind will not produce in horrible conditions. Ask yourself. Can a woman get pregnant and raise a healthy baby without good nutrition and in terrible living? Breeders don’t get paid for the unhealthy puppies. So of course they will try hard to raise the best and healthest. If the breeder raises sick puppies the pet shops will not buy from them. Pet shops stand behind their puppies and pay vet bills if they get sick within 2 weeks of purchase. Pet shop will buy the healthest puppies so they don’t have to pay these bills. The pet shop then ask for a refund from the breeder. I understand sometimes things happen, but sometimes the things that happen is not the pet shop or the breeders fault and they still pay the bills. Sometimes customers don’t listen: this puppy need so much sleep, eat so many times a day, can’t handle stress and needs to be treated like a new born baby.

          • Nancy

            Lori
            You need to check the facts of puppy mills! You haven’t a clue! They do not take care of thier dogs and if they don’t produce sickj or other wiose they are dispossed of! They do sell sick pups to pet shops, I have seen it! Check out the facts! When you do and read the horror stories and see the pictures, I think you will feel the pain like we do! Why do you think there are rescues? this is the only chance these throw aways get!

          • Harriet

            Lori – If you want to start insulting people with statements such as “anybody with even half a brain should understand”, you better get a grip on the minute fraction of a brain you obviously must be sharing with your twin in the mirror. Animals CAN get pregnant in even some of the worst conditions, just as humans also do – there is plenty of evidence of that. Children are born with things such as Fetal Alcohol Syndrome to mothers who drink to great excess, babies are born addicted to crack, so don’t try to lie and say that puppy mills are little slices of heaven for the dogs. They aren’t. The United States does NOT need yet another puppy mill, not when there are plenty of dogs – purebred, designer mixes and straight -out mutts – dying EVERY day in shelters. Your BS about the living conditions having to be excellent in order for the animals to produce is the same kind of garbage a politician was once spewing, claiming that women can’t get pregnant when raped (and he claimed, that if they did, they weren’t actually raped, they must have enjoyed the event that got them pregnant). You are just as idiotic, misinformed and lacking in brains as that politician. Please, stop promoting this facility and go get an education.

      • Mary Anne

        Dogs are specifically omitted from the definition of farm animals, so none of the Ag District protections apply:

        350. Definitions.
        4. “Farm Animal”, as used in this article, means any ungulate, poultry,
        species of cattle, sheep, swine, goats, llamas, horses or fur-bearing animals, as defined in Section 11-1907 of the Environmental Conservation Law, which areraised for commercial or subsistence purposes. Fur-bearing animal shall notinclude dogs or cats.

      • Harriet

        Hi Debbie,

        I guess I must be an “animal rights wackadoodle”. I don’t live in your town, but guess what, our shelter gets nearly 8,000 unwanted animals a year. Many of them began their life being purchased from a breeder who treats them simply as a commodity. So when an “animal rights wackadoodle” such as myself hears that your town is planning on allowing someone to have 500 dogs in a small facility to breed yet more puppies, I damn well do I have a stake in it. I do not want to see more puppies having to be put down, cross-posted on Facebook and other sites as animal rescuers try to find homes for these dogs you intend to flood the market with. I don’t want to have to console a woman who’s “breeder raised puppy” dies because of a genetic condition – and who is told by the breeder that he’s going to breed the SAME adult dogs again to try to get more puppies and hope that the genetic problem doesn’t appear in the next litter (as if the parent’s genetic code might magically change!). It was a pair of Mennonite brothers who, when told by a vet that they needed to treat their puppy mill dogs for fleas, decided it would be cheaper to just shoot every last dog, right down to the youngest puppy, so please don’t tell me that all Mennonites treat their animals “well with food and shelter”. Dogs are highly social creatures, not meant to be raised in a tiny cage and locked up all their lives. Put it this way – the average dog has the intelligence of a human two-year-old. If you wouldn’t put a human baby and keep it in a cage for the first two years of its life, you shouldn’t be doing this to dogs either.

  • http://rumpydog.wordpress.com RumpyDog!

    How can this be approved? Are our elected officials so blind to the amount of money governments spend to clean up the messes created by indiscriminate breeding?

  • Mike

    THESE PEOPLE ARE MENNONITES FROM SENECA COUNTY / THE HOTBED FOR PUPPY MILLS !!!!!!

  • Debbie

    I know this is upsetting to many folks, and this facility will be about 4 miles up the road from us. However, the board was absolutely correct in approving the construction of the breeding facility, as it meets all requirements for agriculturally zoned land. I will not call it a puppy mill as it has so many negative connotations. If the board had denied the application based simply on emotions, then what’s to stop a horse farm, dairy farm, beef cattle operation from being denied as well? This Mennonite couple has done everything by the book, the dogs will be in a state of the art facility, not some run down, hidden on the back 40, filthy shack. They will be subject to all inspections and regulations. Will I buy a pup from them? probably not, as I think there’s a certain charm to a mutt (and I am not talking the designer crossbreds like Puggles and Whoosietoo’s). There must be a market or there would not be the application for such a facility. I realize this is wholly unpalatable for many folks, but feel I needed to express my opinion.

    • Joanne Brokaw

      Debbie, you brought up some points I’ve been putting together for another post next week about factory farming, so thanks for sharing!!
      Joanne

      • Debbie

        Ms. Joanne, I am not sure what points I brought up, but everything on this application was done by the book for our town. We have right to farm laws, so if someone wants to make a stink about a manure pit (pun intended) they can voice an opinion but if the site meets all requirements, there’s not a damn thing you can do about it. Quite honestly, we farmers get tired of people who want a country lifestyle but have no conceptions of the odors/noises/etc. that accompany a farming operation. Buy a piece of land, put up your McMansion, then boo hoo about tractors in the field making noise, horse manure piles on the road, manure smells in general. And I will point out that our farm is small, all animals are treated well. We appreciate our Mennonite neighbors for helping to retain the rural character of our town, for rehabbing run down and neglected properties, and for contributing to the tax base. and many of them are fun, lively people we like to have as friends.

        • Joanne Brokaw

          Debbie, it was this line: “If the board had denied the application based simply on emotions, then what’s to stop a horse farm, dairy farm, beef cattle operation from being denied as well?” It’s actually a great point; I’ll write more next week but it raises the question about our attitudes in America about animals we eat and animals we live with.
          Joanne

    • Joanne Brokaw

      Debbie, I’m actually working on a post for next week about factory farming, so you brought up some good points. Thanks for taking time to share!

      The one thing I’d be concerned about re: inspections by the USDA: there aren’t enough inspectors to go around; the number of blatant puppy mills, especially in the Midwest, is proof of that. So relying on the federal government to regulate them isn’t going to be enough to make sure they’re doing what they need to do.

      I still want to know cage sizes, size of exercise runs, etc, and if they meet the minimum required by the USDA. They regulate everything, from how much access a chicken must have to a door leading outside – not that there aren’t ways to get around that and that farms do – but even if the Gorham board can’t stop it, they can force the Martins to answer to every single regulation. Reading the meeting minutes, I didn’t get the sense there was a lot of in depth investigation yet.

      Joanne

      • Debbie

        and if you knew our code enforcement officer, he is the ultimate professional. not one thing will be swept under the rug – whatever requirements are to be met, they will be.

        • Mary Anne

          The Martins have 2 usda licenses: a Class A license in her name as a breeder and a Class B in his name as a distributor.
          He may have only been visited “twice: But, the USDA visited Jolene at least 4 times last year and issued a formal warning over the conditions.
          Currently, Class A breeders do not need to license their dogs, so the Town will not get license fees and the State spay and neuter fund will not get money either.

          • Debbie

            Ms. Mary Anne – if you have access to documents, then kindly forward to the town. they could serve as information but will have little bearing on an approved, yet to be constructed facility.

    • Jody Gunia

      What is the need please Debbie, if you will, for a breeding operation for dogs in your society. Are there not enough already in pounds and humane societys and on the streets. This makes not one bit of sense to me…more suffering? Why?

  • MARION

    At the Jan. 23rd. meeting: It was stated by Curtis Martin that the building would not have a sprinkler system nor a lock box with a key for the fire Dept. as someone would be home at all times. Makes you wonder what would happen to the dogs locked inside, should there be a fire ………..

    • Debbie

      Ms. Marion – we do not have sprinkler systems in our livestock barns. A fire is horrific on any level. This facility is being held to the same standards as any animal facility in the town, and simply because the residents are canine, why should there be special regulations? I am not being blind to the love people feel towards their animals, but this is considered an agricultural enterprise.

      • Coll

        Debbie….. An Agricultural Enterprise…. WTF…. Come on now… there are more than enough canines out there that need homes, innocent dogs getting put to sleep daily, and you want to contribute to this problem. YOU MAKE ME SICK! You are the problem, and all you see out of this is $$$$$$$$$$… how about the innocent lives you are affecting… What happens when the puppies and dogs do not get “bought”, what then.. they will live in crates, or will you euthanize them? YOU and people like YOU make me question humanity!

        • Coll

          And if this is not ur facility in question then fine.. I am not trying to attack you.. but think about what you are saying… How can we even try to fix the larger issue here if people are allowed to do this…. HOW IS THIS OK?

          • doug williams

            what is the larger issue?

          • Debbie

            Yes, Coll – please tell us th larger issue. I get tired of animals being equated to humans with human emotions. I adore my cats and horses, they are treated better than many CHILDREN, but they are animals. My cats play fetch, sleep with us. My horses are well-mannered, well-trained. But they are most certainly not our equals. And if I make you sick, my dear, go drink some Pepto Bismol.

          • Bill Sutherland

            Debbie,
            The larger issue is that millions of Americans are sick and tired of mopping up the mess of commercial mills – from the unsuspecting consumers who are saddled with lifelong expenses of a sick dog, to the millions in taxes that fund shelters, to the rescue volunteers who devote their entire lives to helping these animals.
            The financial, emotional and physical toll this industry takes on the public is huge. However it’s the victims – the innocent animals – who pay the ultimate price.
            This is not about animal rights, it’s about human decency. It’s about an industry that is raping the American public at the expense of the animals.

      • Gail

        I fail to see how raising hundreds of dogs can be considered an agricultural enterprise. Really not trying to be facetious, but I also don’t get it why these supposed God-loving Mennonites have no problem pissing off their neighbors and many others by glutting the market with even more dogs when unwanted dogs are dying in shelters yearly – by the millions. Perhaps the Martins have no talent for anything else, but that is not an acceptable excuse. They will have the dogs locked in and everyone but the USDA locked out under the “guise” of health standards.
        I have seen this excuse used by other money greedy millers. They get away with it until they are discovered, then, to avoid prosecution, they willingly turn over their animals to – guess who – rescuers. It’s a quick and easy buck at the expense of shelters, humane societies, rescuers and the general public. The Mennonite Martins are doing a terrible disservice to everyone but themselves. All they are producing are a bunch of socially-deprived dogs who cannot ever be considered “top quality” or sociable but no doubt they’ll be sold for “top buck”…always the bottom line. Shame on the Martins and others like them or who support them.

    • grace

      They did. Don,t buy from puppy mills.

  • Jackie

    This is highly irresponsible and disgusts me! We don’t need any puppy breeding facilities. Don’t these people know millions of dogs are euthanized each year?! What is wrong with these people?!

  • John

    PETA will be contacted

    • Tom

      ROFLMFAO

  • Kris
  • doug williams

    at least one voice of reason in this group. Debbie I salute you.
    jackie: we don’t “need” any more large homes with “city folk” either
    John :please do contact PETA.. they KILL over 96% of the pets they “take in” each year. http://www.petakillsanimals.com
    Joanne” you have already slandered these people in your article by calling their other facility a “puppy mill”. Do you have proof of that assertion. What is a “puppy mill”?
    This is a private enterprise with oversight by the US government. why do you think YOU need to be involved?

    • grace

      Yes and we all know how well the goverment goverment oversees things.

      • Gail

        absolutely. The USDA is short on staffing and with “two visits a year”….we are to believe these dogs will have the best of care? No one will be allowed into the facility (diseases, you know – ahem) and they can do what they want. He’s a class B dealer as well … google that. No doubt every bit of life will be squeezed out of these animals to fill their breeder pockets. I spend a lot of money each year contributing to rescuers and rehabilitators, so yes, I do take this as a personal affront.

  • doug williams

    “the number of blatant puppy mills, especially in the Midwest, is proof of that.”
    say the author..how many si that exactly and where do you get your statistics?
    “Just because a female dog is bred over and over and over ..
    says the author
    what is “over and over”?.. exactly how many times is that and how often?
    If you are going to be a critical writer then you should write with clarity and have statistics to back up your claims from sources that are reliable, not make assertions that are merely opinions .

  • Kelly Durkin

    Doug Williams- any facility housing HUNDREDS of dogs is a puppy mill. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck…. Its a duck! Your narrow, uneducated “insight” is really better kept to yourself.
    You say these property owners are being slandered, but here’s the thing; to prove slander the statements made against the person(s) must be false and you must be able to prove they’re false statements. Do yourself a favor and stuff a sock in it.

    • doug williams

      So how many dogs does it take to be a “puppy mill” 500. 400 . 300. 200. 100 or 10? you seem to know so please enlighten us..
      any allegations that this business is indeed a “puppy mill” are slanderous. do us all a favor and read the law

  • Debbie

    thanks Doug. And folks – save your cards, letters, emails, and phone calls. THIS IS A DONE DEAL – the media’s a bit behind on the status of the application, and this facility, rumored to be costing upwards of $250K, is moving forward. I just came from the town hall, and this is approved for our agriculturally based community. And you can keep your PETA, HSUS, and the like – we do not need you to disrupt our town. Animals are not equal to humans. I love my animals. My cats are actually snuggled on a pile of fabric as I type this, and my horses are my competition partners. But I would not presume to tell neighbors that they cannot have a legitimate business enterprise. I know this is distasteful to many, but BUTT OUT. If you are not directly affected (and those of you from out of state, really, get a life) then you have NO SAY.

    • Concerned, AND Out of State

      Debbie and Doug Williams:

      Your love for your animals and how you treat them is utterly irrelevant to this facility and this discussion. You have animals, and you have pets. This facility has breeding machines. Your animals are properly cared for. Your animals have the necessary creature comforts, which are different for horses than they are for cats than they are for dogs. The dogs at this facility will never see a soft blanket, they will never set foot on dirt or grass, they will never see SUNSHINE in their entire lives. This is NOT the same as a dairy farm or a cattle farm or a horse farm. This is a factory for dog production, where the breeding adult males and females will go INSANE in their environments. This is not an emotional issue, this is a moral issue. It is immoral to keep animals in the conditions that the dogs at this facility will be kept in, and it is further immoral to breed thousands of dogs per year when there are millions of dogs who are killed every year in municipal animal shelters. And the article is completely wrong about the facility producing “about 1000 puppies every year.” Do the math: Probably 10 females to every 1 male adult dog = approx. 450 breeding females x approx. 1.5 litters per year (could be as high as 2 litters per year) x approx. 6 puppies per litter (could be as high as 8 puppies per litter) = roughly 4000 puppies per year. What if those 4000 puppies were staying in your rural county each year? Your county would then get to kill them at the shelter, and it would cost you tax dollars. THEN you would have a different opinion. For you, it’s about money and “human rights.” For the rest of us moral people, it’s about what is right and what is wrong. These facilities are dead wrong, and people who support them are cruel and ignorant.

    • grace

      Unfortunately it is about greed. Ours as well as theirs. Don,t but puppy mill dogs ever.

    • grace

      I live here close by and it always amazes me that the santitation issues are of more concern then the moral aspects of such a breeding facitilty. Sad commentary on american life isn,t it when fplks will pay 500 dollars for a puppy they throw away the next year. No wonder its so profitable. I will never buy a dog. There are way to many that need homes.

  • http://www.citizensagainstpuppymills.org Lorry

    If anyone cares or wants to see the truth about the horrific job the USDA does inspecting puppy mills please go to this internal audit report done by the US Office of the Inspector General and publishes in May of 2010. After reading it and seeing the horrific cruelty that cannot IN REALITY be monitored by them, then there is something wrong with your sense of decency and what one considers humane. And yes, the majority of puppy mills are in the midwest with Missouri being the puppy mill state of the country with over 3,000 licensed mills. As there is no legal def for puppy mills, who cares? That’s what they are….canine mass production facilities. A rose by any other name….. Also, NYS is passing a devovcalization bill this year. It is a cruel, painful procedure used by puppy mills to “quiet” dogs housed in mass breeding kennels by shoving a sharpened metal rod down their throat and hitting it in with a hammer. Notoriously done by the Mennonite and Amish dog farmers. Here is that OIG report. Read it and literally weep: http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdocs/33002-4-SF.pdf
    Lorry Schlick
    Director/NYS Citizens Against Puppy Mils

    • doug williams

      more falsehoods.. and more deceptive words. When dealing with permits, etc.. one must look at the LAW.. not the emotion of a few people who pass around rumors and innuendo in order to control what others do legally. as for “Who cares”.. everyone should care.. it is the basis for everything our country stands for.
      Devocalization is not a cruel method of treatment.. it is a simple procedure done by a veterinarian under anesthesia.. and it saves the lives of many dogs every year that might otherwise be killed. Your depiction of the hammer and pipe has been debunked over and over and you bigoted mention of religious groups is despicable

      • grace

        Don,t buy from them and waste your energy. I say hit em where it hurts and that would be at the bank.

      • AJ

        RE: “Quite honestly, we farmers get tired of people who want a country lifestyle but have no conceptions of the odors/noises/etc. that accompany a farming operation” – This is NOT farming! This is breeding large quantities of dogs solely for profit with no regard to health/temperament.
        RE: “Devocalization is not a cruel method of treatment.. it is a simple procedure done by a veterinarian under anesthesia.. and it saves the lives of many dogs every year that might otherwise be killed. Your depiction of the hammer and pipe has been debunked over and over and you bigoted mention of religious groups is despicable” Do you honestly believe that this is done under anesthesia? Do you have any idea how expensive that would be? There is no way volume breeders are paying for that. Secondly, the reason Amish/Mennonite breeders are mentioned so frequently is because they are notorious for volume breeding and inhumane treatment of animals. Ask ANY animal hospital employee – they never see the parent dogs for care (preventative or otherwise) however they see the puppies who, overwhelmingly, are in inferior health and are poor representations of whatever breed they are supposed to be
        RE: “I will not call it a puppy mill as it has so many negative connotations” – yeah, because it is a negative – no, make that horrific, situation.

      • grace

        And how many of them pay to have a vet do it? It is a money making thing for them and they are not about to spend money for something they can do for themselves.

      • http://www.citizensagainstpuppymills.org Lorry

        Hey Doug, did you even look at the OIG report on the USDA and their ineptitude? It is THEIR report about them, not mine. I have fostered over 50 mill release dogs and trust me, they are abused and neglected. Breed or die…how could any human be in favor of this? If the puppy mills had windows no one would ever buy them. And you can never get in one. If everything is OK there, why do they hide? If you have nothing to hide, you hide nothing, right? Just because you don’t care about Man’s Best Friend gives you no right to blast those who do. Dogs are family members in some households. Why knock something good? The truth is hidden for a reason! By the way, Nightline just did a piece on the horrific AMISH puppy mills. Oh, I’m sorry….Nightline made a religious conotation. Truth is they are the worst of the worst and that’s why most pet stores won’t even deal with them. Not that it’s any better, but most pet stores are supplied by Midwest, non-Amish, non-Mennonite breeders. I am not condemning the religion….just the ones who are “puppy farmers.” We are not animal rights activists…we care about dogs! Let’s keep that clear!

  • http://www.citizensagainstpuppymills.org Lorry

    Anyone who wants to contact me about this puppy mill please do so by contacting me at citizensagainstpuppymills@gmail.org
    Lorry

  • Bev

    If this is gonna be anything at all, it will be another puppy mill. I can’t believe that the city/town is allowing it under any circumstances. Compost the dead dogs? Any idea how that will smell in the hot weather??? Not like a country side should.
    I am appauled!!

  • michelle

    i have a friend with ties to alocal newscaster in rochester, and have passed this article along. HOPEFULLY the news in monroe or ontario county will raise awareness about this place being built and perhaps even shut it down before it gets started!

  • Jeanne

    I wrote senator Schumer about how puppy mills are becoming such a problem.

    • Tom

      ROFLMAS Shummer…… ROFLMAO

  • Joanne Brokaw

    Dear readers, I want to take a minute to thank all of you for taking time to share your thoughts. It’s really, really important to listen to both sides of the issue, so please do share and respond in a respectful manner.

    But keep sharing – there are some really great points here to ponder. I’m working on a piece for next week on the attitudes in America about animals we eat and animals we live with, so be sure to check back!

    Joanne

    • Mary Anne

      I WILL SEND THE INSPECTIONS TO THE TOWN, BUT IN CASE ANY ONE WANTS TO READ THEM:

      Here are the USDA citations:

      http://www.aphis.usda.gov/foia/enforcement_actions/2011/February/Animal%20Welfare%20Act/7060s/NY11159-AC%20Jolene%20Martin%207060.pdf

      Here is the information you need to search the inspection reports:
      http://acissearch.aphis.usda.gov/LPASearch/faces/CustomerSearch.jspx
      32693
      21-B-0147
      ACTIVE
      CURTIS MARTIN
      4520 ROUTE 89
      SENECA FALLS, NY 13148
      1 inspection in 2011

      21596
      21-A-0147
      ACTIVE
      JOLENE MARTIN
      4520 ROUTE 89
      SENECA FALLS, NY 13148
      Nov 8, 2011 ROUTINE INSPECTION

      Jun 30, 2011 ROUTINE INSPECTION

      May 7, 2011 ATTEMPTED INSPECTION (NON ONE HOME TO ADMIT INSPECTOR)

      Jan 5, 2011 ROUTINE INSPECTION

      • Gail

        Great job, Mary Anne!!
        This is the “back door” method to getting town boards to see the reality
        of puppy mills since using the word “moral” seems to be so sinful to the millers and their ilk. Getting local laws changed/passed BEFORE these people apply is key. Impose limits, restrictions, and additional fees so as to make them a less profitable “business”.
        If nothing else, there will be many NY residents AND local municipalities who will learn from this.

  • Debbie

    Ms. Bev – composting is used with frequency by most farmers. A large pit is dug, the carcass is dusted with lime and covered up. The depth must be such that predators such as coyotes do not dig up the remains. This process quickly breaks down the carcass, and there are no odors associated with proper composition. This is a means of disposing of animals that may be euth’d because they cannot be sold for meat (talking about livestock) or have died. To have a rendering truck pick up a carcass is sometimes cost prohibitive depending on volume of deceased animals. A dead horse costs on average $200, a cow $75 to pick up.

    Ms. Michelle – news reports won’t stop what has been lawfully approved. Save your little friends in their designer pumps from getting dirty while reporting a non-story.

    And alot of the commentary on this site is bordering on hate speech – you are maligning a faith based community. If I started spewing venom about gays, certain ethnic or religious groups, how fast would you jump on me? Probably not nearly as fast because those are ‘human groups’. But if I said that I feel horse slaughter is a necessary evil…

    • Holly

      Proverbs 12:10

      Whoever is righteous has regard for the life of his beast, but the mercy of the wicked is cruel.
      “The righteous man treats animals with kindness and seeks to know their needs. A wicked person may vocally express love for animals, but his “mercies,” at best, are actually cruel. His actions betray the selfish motive he has in mind.” How true this is of those who are willing to let animals live in small cages piled on top of each other. With little if any socialization, and all around improper care. All for money! Raise cows, pigs or chickens like a REAL farmer. Dogs are NOT an agricultural animal. The fact that some people on here believe they are is laughable. I am a local, and I too love the farm atmosphere. But this is not farming at all. It is a plan for animal abuse. There is no need for more little dogs. The shelters are already full, to the point of having to kill more and more every week!

      • Tom

        Breeders knowingly do not sell to shelters. So blame someone else for the so called “over crowding” in shelters.

        Also no one seems to be bothered by the fact the Shelter organizations import feral puppies from other countries like Puerto Rio and Grand Cayman…… don’t believe it, Google it….

        • Gail

          you need to educate yourself. while breeders “do not sell to shelters”, they are over-populating certain areas and the people who buy these dogs – a certain percentage of them – will find they no longer want them. when that happens, the dogs will end up in shelters or rescues. where in heck do you think the shelter dogs come from anyway?!? they were bred, either intentionally or indiscriminately, that’s how. and there are too many of them and not enough people who want them.
          so what if a comparatively few dogs are “imported” from Puerto Rico? It’s true. what’s your point other than that there are irresponsible “breeders” all over the place, like rats, and maybe they’re running out of adoptive homes in PR?

          • Tom

            I don’t think I ever said that none of the shelter dogs came from breeders…??? I said that breeders do not knowingly sell to shelters, but I think I found that maybe I should have said “normally” instead of “knowingly” as someone on this blog claims to be a rescue and stated she buys from breeders?? Must be a shortage on adorable puppies in her “rescue” area.

            “so what if a comparatively few dogs are “imported” from Puerto Rico? It’s true. ”

            Here’s So What… I continually see ppl screaming that “not 1 dog should be bred so long as there are shelter/rescue dogs available” yet many rescues and shelters continue to import puppies from anywhere they can get them because they know there is a demand for puppies. Yet they justify it saying, the money they make from the sale, oops , adoption of these puppies goes to support the dogs that no one wants, or at least takes longer to re home.
            Why would they do that knowing that when as you say,
            “the people who buy these dogs – a certain percentage of them – will find they no longer want them. when that happens, the dogs will end up in shelters or rescues.”

            Please ‘splain that train of thought.

    • Elaine

      Are you serious??? First off, I live in Penn Yan, and wear designer shoes, so don’t be ignorant. Second, do you honestly believe in any faith or religion, it is ok to mistreat 600 animals! Do you think these poor dogs deserve to NEVER see sunshine? Is anyone truly that cruel?!

  • Ellen

    STOP. THE. MADNESS!!

  • Mary Anne

    Here are the USDA citations:

    http://www.aphis.usda.gov/foia/enforcement_actions/2011/February/Animal%20Welfare%20Act/7060s/NY11159-AC%20Jolene%20Martin%207060.pdf

    Here is the information you need to search the inspection reports:
    http://acissearch.aphis.usda.gov/LPASearch/faces/CustomerSearch.jspx
    32693
    21-B-0147
    ACTIVE
    CURTIS MARTIN
    4520 ROUTE 89
    SENECA FALLS, NY 13148
    1 inspection in 2011

    21596
    21-A-0147
    ACTIVE
    JOLENE MARTIN
    4520 ROUTE 89
    SENECA FALLS, NY 13148
    Nov 8, 2011 ROUTINE INSPECTION

    Jun 30, 2011 ROUTINE INSPECTION

    May 7, 2011 ATTEMPTED INSPECTION (NON ONE HOME TO ADMIT INSPECTOR)

    Jan 5, 2011 ROUTINE INSPECTION

    • grace

      No surprise here is there.

    • Tom

      Minor issues. I’ve seen worse driving through any residential neighborhood.

    • Dave

      How do you contact the Martin’s. For such a big facility, I was stunned to see how secretive they are. I can not find any information to contact these people about their operations and breeds. Anyone can help…?

  • Melissa Cocola

    http://youtu.be/KZsCwOy5rdI USDA approved? Means nothing!!!!
    One word for this GREED.So sad that anyone could try to justify their actions.

    • Jennifer

      I agree, I am literally floored at some of the responses here.

  • ylt

    The last I knew dogs and dog kennels are not classified agriculture. If they were the breeders would be applying for farm subsides when the females failed to produce enough puppys to support!

    • http://www.citizensagainstpuppymills.org Lorry

      Yes, they are in terms of commercial kennels. That’s why the us dept of agriculture inspects them. Same gov’t entity as the food you eat….what idiocy!

      • grace

        Well that explains all the food recalls does it not? Perhaps in the future there will be puppy recalls.

        • Tom

          u ppl are such dumbasses…. USDA APHIS is NOT the same dept as the USDA food inspectors

          • Lorry Schlick

            APHIS IS THE USDA. THESE DOGS ARE LIVESTOCK, TOM. GEEZ!

  • grace

    Want to stop puppy mills? Don,t buy their dogs. I understand what you are saying about it being a business. But frankly there is nothing humane about that many dogs housed on less then an acre. And to those of you will get dogs and when they are too much trouble for you you take them to the shelters or dump them off. What about those of you who don,t walk,care for your animals or buy dogs as a passing fancy because they are cool it is simple. Just don,t do it. I would have more admiration for the town of Gorham if they stepped up to the plate and asked about humane care. Its for sure it won,t get done any other way. What amazes me is they are more concerned about the santitation issue then the owners of the place where I live. Stop puppy mills by not buying from them ever. Be a wise consumer and just don,t do it. It will choke the business off completely.

    • Tom

      The problem with your “remedy” is that….. You animal rights terrorists have been trying for years to influence people to NOT buy these puppies. BUT it has continued to fall on deaf ears. People will buy what they want.
      This is why you animal rights terrorists/HSUS began lobbying congress and local politicians. IF YOU CAN’T CONVINCE PEOPLE TO LIVE BY YOUR RULES, YOU WILL DIE TRYING BY WAY OF LEGISLATION TO FORCE THEM TO.
      http://www.consumerfreedom.com
      http://www.activistcash.com

      • Bill Sutherland

        Your sources of information are industry funded front groups that represent puppy mills, factory farms, seal clubbers, research labs, furriers and canned hunt businesses.
        The Center for Consumer Freedom (Humane Watch, Activist Cash, Humane Society for Shelter Pets) have been exposed on 60 Minutes for their deception and outright lies. You’ve been spewing their propaganda throughout this comment section.

        Because of education, over 50% say they would rather get a rescue. People are proud to tell others, “My dog is a rescue!”.
        And educated people appear embarrased when they admit their dog was from a pet store, and usually add, “I didn’t know better then.”
        HSUS backed anti-puppy mill legislation is closing down mills in every state it passes (over 500 closed in Missouri alone), and as more legislation passes, more mills will close. Hence, the reason for your desperation, and the reason the animal abusing industries have launched a full blown attack on HSUS and PETA.

        • Tom

          The sources may be industry funded, but that doesn’t change the many facts that can be found there. You know he sayin’ “Facts is Facts”. So what if the funds come from the industries? It would be pretty stupid for any industry to not put up the funds to protect itself from terrorists trying to put them out of business.

          If you feel that I’ve been spewing their propaganda, it’s only because the “propaganda” I’ve been spewing is factual based. Unlike most of the crap HSUS presents to the public and to legislators to con vince them to see things their way. Many of the vidoes and photos used are staged shots. And yes they work.

          You accuse me of spewing propaganda, yet you do the same thing. i.e.
          “Because of education, over 50% say they would rather get a rescue. People are proud to tell others, “My dog is a rescue!”.

          If your statement was true, then surely your cause would be much farther down the road of pushing your agenda on the American public than you are.

          The 50% most likely is made up of people placed in the survey to get the result wanted. Heck, if 50% really felt that way, why in the world would anyone risk $250,000.00 plus building a NEW 500 dog breeding facility? Surely the demand would not support such a venture. Mennonites may be accused of being a lot of things, but I don’t believe they get accused much of being poor money managers.

          Oh, I don’t think that the Humane Society for Shelter Pets has ever been the target of 60 minutes. Weren’t they just recently launched to expose the HSUS for the liars and con artists that they really are?

          FYI, believe it or not, I’m not in favor of a 500 dog facility being built anywhere.

          • Bill Sutherland

            Here is the study by an Associated Press-Petside.com poll stating that over half of the people polled would get their next pet from a shelter.
            http://www2.tbo.com/lifestyles/pets/2010/may/12/poll-more-choosing-pets-shelters-over-stores-ar-43703/
            The poll found found 47% were concerned about pet store animals having physical health problems.
            And 44% were concerned about psychological problems.

            That so many people are speaking out in this rural area alone is encouraging.
            The Martins merely took advantage of a gap created by HSUS anti-puppy mill legislation that helped close a huge number of mills across the United States. Ten steps forward, one step back.

            Twenty or thirty years ago people boasted about their purebred being show quality. Today I see a huge trend towards people being really proud of adopting a rescue (and they should be) – while others appear ashamed to admit that they adopted from a pet store before knowing better. These are personal observations, not something I read.

            .

          • Tom

            Re: the AP-Petside poll.

            Good poll for shelter dogs, great news, if it’s true.
            And if it’s true, then we should be seeing a drop in the numbers at shelters soon, right?

            I do not question the results of the poll. I would however be curious as to where they got the numbers database to call for the survey. Were they a true random compilation of general pet owners? Also, what were the questions asked and how were they presented?

            For instance, if I wanted to take a poll and get a result that favored pet store puppy purchases, I would try to get numbers at random from places like Americas Pet Registry Inc. (APRI) and Continental Kennel Club (CKC) knowing that a larger percentage of the numbers would be of people who bought their beloved pups from stores or directly from breeders. Of course they would give answers more in favor of stores and breeders, because a majority of the puppies sold through stores and direct from breeders present no issues at all.

            I’m not saying that there is anything fishy about the poll, just saying that you can get a desired result simply by knowing who to ask and how to ask it.

            Happens quite often actually.

  • Jill

    Follow the money! Find out who is financing the operation, (which bank is giving the loan) and PROTEST THERE! No financing, no operation!

    • Tom

      YES, OCCUPY THE BANK!

  • Mary

    If you want to do the math on how many dead here are a couple points to consider. The females will be put down at the ripe old age of 5yrs, after that the puppies will not be of good quality. The size of the litter will increase as the females are breed, yes over and over. As for it not being our business if its not our town..screw you. At about 6 weeks the puppies will be packed up and shipped..many wont make the trip.( Dont worry about those dead bodies they wont be in your small town) They will be sent to pet stores all over the country. Yup they will be sold. Most wont be neutered or spayed. The cute puppy will turn into a dog, that most wont want. The young couple that bought one as a trial child will split up, move to apts that cant have pets and dump at an already over capacity shelter somewhere. It doesnt end and dont tell the public its none of our business. That community should be ashamed of them selves..not one question about the welfare of these animals, yes animals they will never know what it is to be a pet. Dont worry they will never be outside to make noise. Dont worry the fans are not to bring in fresh air. Well I enjoy fostering dogs pulled from kill shelters, guess Ill never run out

    • Tom

      sounds like you speak from experience, you turned into a dog that no one wants, yet you are still alive…. go figure…

  • http://yahoo Gail

    With all the abandoned and abused dogs not only in New York State, but all over the Country, being housed by the ASPCA and the Humane Society, why on EARTH is there a need for a dog BREEDING facility???? This is wrong on SO many levels, I don’t even know where to begin!!!!!

    • Tom

      I really do not see a need for such a facility either. But please tell me, your mention of the Humane Society, means local shelters, not the HSUS, right?

  • Jade

    *** HOT OFF THE PRESS 20 Minutes ago ***
    Proposed Gorham Dog Breeders had Been Cited by USDA !!!!!

    http://www.mpnnow.com/topstories/x1419992259/Proposed-Gorham-dog-breeders-had-been-cited-by-USDA

    • Joanne Brokaw

      Jade, thanks for sharing!
      Joanne

  • Tammi J

    The town should really read The Economic Impact of a Puppy Mill in a Local Community (http://www.leg.state.nv.us/Session/76th2011/Exhibits/Assembly/NRAM/ANRAM1142F.pdf).
    Besides it being totally wrong to have a mass execution mill be started that link can provide info that might interest the townspeople with how it will hurt the economy, if they allow it to open.

  • Mj

    Um, Horses are for work, cows are for milk and meat, and dogs are for….companionship? Isn’t that what they are bred for? They may eat em in China, but not in the good ole USA, we have a bit higher standards here for dogs and cats. Even the working farm dog is treated better. We also have laws about hoarding of animals and such, this isn’t a whole lot different. I’m no crazy animal rights person, actually a farmer myself, but I know a bad practice when I see one. Unless we are eating them or showing them, I would like to know how this is agricultural?

  • http://MUTTeringsAndThings.blogspot.com Linda

    OUTRAGEOUS!

  • kate aghaghiri

    disgusting!

  • Dawn Smith

    If a petition will help stop this from happening – please, please lets do this. There are thousands of throw away dogs in this country that need homes – we do not need another puppy mill. I personally own two puppy mill cast offs and their health was awful and the one is on medications for severe anxiety caused by years of abuse – stop these monsters before they start.

  • Freddy

    U can bet your ass,we will be watching
    these people.

    … KARMA……A.L.F

    • Gail

      YES!!

  • Freddy

    What fools would give the ok on this mill?

  • Stacie Schieder

    The people of Gorham should be appalled that the good name of their community will be tarnished by the abuse of innocent animals. Puppy Mills must be stopped, there is certainly no shortage of domesticated animals for people who truly love and care about dogs and cats to have to “purchase” them. There and literally hundreds of thousands of pets waiting to be adopted and shelters need us to take in these pets and give them a good home. No humane person would consider purchasing a pet from a mill. We need to start addressing these comments to the board members of Gorham. While this is a great place to vent it really is not the place to drive home our concerns and try to make change. These people will just go somewhere else. How can we stop these puppy mills altogether?

  • bill

    sign a petition, GO FOR IT! if you dont live in the town of gorham, your name wont matter!

  • AJ

    If I’m not mistaken, in the farming industry, the final product (meat, milk, eggs, etc) is evaluated for quality standards. If a farmer is selling tainted milk, it can be traced and he is held responsible, correct?
    There is no responsibility on the breeder’s behalf as to the their final product (puppies) – perhaps if there were, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
    My thoughts:
    every intact dog should be considered a breeding dog, and the licensing fee (yes, even large scale kennels would have to license their dogs in this scenario) would be signficantly higher (say, $250/year?) than an altered dog. Proof of veterinary care (minimum 1 exam within the last 12 months) and core vaccines (as determined by the AVMA) required with yearly licensing.
    every puppy sold would be required to be microchipped. the microchip # would follow the dog’s license whenever sold (kind of like your car’s registration #)
    when genetic issues are diagnosed, it can be traced back to the breeding dog. this would give prospective owners information as to what they are getting into (would you buy a puppy if you knew that a large percentage of puppies from that specific line were diagnosed with hip dysplasia?)
    breeders would them be discouraged from continuing to breed dogs are producing puppies with major health issues
    mass breeding would be discouraged both due to costs of owning multiple breeding dogs and lower profits from only breeding healthy dogs
    fewer abandoned dogs because the most recent owner would be traceable
    this would also eliminate the need for breed-specific legislation as the focus could be turned to stopping the breeding of specific dogs that producing aggressive puppies (yes, there IS a genetic as well as environmental component) instead of focusing on specific breeds.

    • grace

      My dog is microchipped and neutared. However in my neighborhood I found 8 unlicensed dogs in three homes. How many I missed who knows. Your idea would cost those of us being responcible more money. My young dog is ill and needs shots regularly. He has regular ear infections and staph grows on his skin way to regularly. People who care for their animals will do so without being promted. I wanted my dog and I accepted that he will require lifetime care. I did not buy him as I adopted him. I will never patronize such a breeder. However in my neighborhood there are two folks I know of who breed regularly. Do not patronize backyard breeders or puppy mills. And by the way the only way that chip is tracable is if the data base is updated every year. I pay to do that. If folks would not get dogs as an impulse or because they were cute….

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  • grace

    One last thought. And I apologise if I offend everyone. I have been told this is a faith based community that are good stewarts of the earth. I will and should have to answer for this commentary on the other side. But here it is as we all fall short of the glory of God we will all have to answer for our cruelty on this side. Myself included. Just because God gave man to be above the animals does not mean we have the right to cause them needless suffering. If you do not stand for whats right you might as well stand for nothing. This is wrong and even though it is legal it should be given much more thought as to why it should not be done.

  • Jade

    Gorham Town Offices
    PO Box 224
    4736 South St.
    Gorham, NY 14461

    Town Supervisor:
    Fred Lightfoote 526-5231 email: flightfoote@gorham-ny.com

    Planning Board:
    Thomas Harvey, Chair 526-6058
    Neil Atkins 396-9973
    Lizabeth Watkins
    Robert Farmer 394-1584
    Dale Frankish 554-6823
    Andrew Hoover 554-3818
    George McCadden 554-3947
    Dewey Fladd, Alternate 554-3001
    Jack Dailey, Alternate 394-7347

  • http://www.change.org/petitions/ontario-county-planning-board-revoke-the-approval-to-build-a-puppy-mill-in-gorham-ny Heather

    For all of us who are outraged and would like to prevent this puppy mill from being built, please visit the link to my online petition to the Ontario County Planning Board (and also to the town of Gorham) letting them know we do NOT want another puppy mill in our state! There are enough shelter animals that are being dumped daily as well as being euthanized that we do not need mass breeding of more animals! Thanks for your support! It only takes a moment to make a difference!
    http://www.change.org/petitions/ontario-county-planning-board-revoke-the-approval-to-build-a-puppy-mill-in-gorham-ny

  • Sue Dwyer

    I live in Ontario County. I went to school in Gorham when it was still Gorham Central School, and about 10 of my relatives also went there. So I do have an interest in what happens in Gorham. Ever visited a “puppy mill”? Ever seen the unclipped nails of the mothers curling painfully into their feet, ever see how they are caged and never even feel the grass under their feet. Ever see them chivering in the cold, forced to bear litter after litter and then discarded after they have served as a breeding machine. Puppies are often born with defects and are unhealthy. Dogs are unsocialized. I do not believe that these people who can do this to animals are religious. I think they use that religion to hide behind. There are excellent shelters in this area – including the Ontario Animal Shelter “Happy Tails” and the Home of Hope Shelter in Penn Yan. Animals who need and deserve loving homes can be the best pets ever. with all the homeless dogs in this county alone, by do we need 500 dogs being forced to bear litter after litter. Don’t defend this as “using your own property as long as it is legal”. There is no defense for this cruelty and irresponsibility.

    • http://www.citizensagainstpuppymills.org Lorry

      Perfectly said. Thank you, Sue.

    • Linda Conlon

      perfectly said……shelters are *full* of cast offs……why do we need mass production when it’s going on already for free??? i have four rescues, and have purchased dogs from breeders…..not puppymills or petstores…. and shelter dogs are the best…..my experience with petstore dogs (from puppy mills) are that they are underweight, and inbred….. it’s all about the money…. there is no defending it…..dogs are *not* cattle……they are not agriculture……probably more than 1/2 the puppymill dogs will end up in the shelters…….

    • Holly

      Amen!

  • Nate

    you people make me absolutely sick to my stomach. First i will have you know that the regulation of puppy mills is federally run and the Martins own another puppy mill, and it just so happens that there was a recent evaluation of that facility. you know what they found- NOTHING! they did not find one code violation. So clearly they must be doing somthing right. What all you closed minded liberals have to realize is that dogs are dogs they are here to serve us. they do not have the rights that we have or the capabilities. There is also money to be made off the selling of dogs and if this is how the martin family choses to make a living, so be it! no one has the right to tell another human being what they can and cannot do to make a fair and honest living in this world today. I give the martins my best wishes in starting their new business.

    • http://www.citizensagainstpuppymills.org Lorry

      They had ONE inspection with no violations…ONE! His latest inspection in Nov, 2011 had 2 violations. Once again about where his dogs went. This is very disturbing.

    • Linda Conlon

      since when have the feds done anything right????

    • Gail

      >> “…what they can and cannot do to make a fair and honest living in this world today” <<<

      Fair? Fair to whom? The dogs? The neighbors? All of the people who contend and pay for their mistakes and greed??
      Honest? When we have to rely on the USDA to do the inspections….and no one else can view the interior, or, at the very least, be given satisfaction that their "facility" is as the Martins say it is?? When the town can't even know if there is a violation to IT'S rules unless there's an "oops" and someone blows a whistle??

      BALONEY!!

    • Harriet

      Really? “no one has the right to tell another human being what they cna and cannot do to make a fair and honest living in this world today”? I can think of plenty of “occupations” that are generally illegal in the United States…. bookmaking, prostitution, selling drugs….. these are “occupations” that as a society, we came to realize we don’t want in our society.
      I hope someday, puppy mills will join the list of unwanted occupations.
      As far as “dogs are dogs they are here to serve us” – unlike some other animals, such as chickens, dogs are highly intelligent and social creatures that should be viewed more as a partner to humans. Look at how service and guide dogs work WITH their human partners. I’ve never seen a chicken trained as a service animal, as a law enforcement partner, as a drug-sniffer or to guide a blind person. There’s a huge difference between typical farm animals and dogs, who have the intelligence of the average two-year-old child. They don’t have the rights or capabilities that we do, but they are one of the closest land-based species to us in many ways.
      I don’t give a hoot what religion anyone is; but if the Martin’s want to make a ton of money, they surely can find some way that is less reprehensible.

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    • Linda Conlon

      you did a good thing…..dogs are family to alot of people, myself included….

  • mary

    I think the Martins are posting under several different names. I would find it hard to believe that the people in this community want to be known for supporting a puppy mill

  • Joanne Brokaw

    Just wanted to let you know that I posted an update today with some reader comments and some more info:
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/heavenlycreatures/2012/02/readers-speak-out-on-the-gorham-dog-breeding-facility/

    And for the record, I would happily visit a large scale commercial dog breeding facility and report back on what’s there, especially if it proves that it’s NOT a puppy mill. I think it would be a super fair thing to do – so the offer is there. If you’re a wholesale breeder who isn’t a puppy mill, and wants to share your side of the story, just let me know. I’m more than willing to come and visit and report back!

    Joanne

  • Mike

    Joanne, someone just brought to my attention that Heathers petition is useless because It’s aimed towards the Ontario County Planning Board and not the Gorham Town Board.

    • Joanne Brokaw

      I’ll pass that along to her – thanks!
      Joanne

  • Brittney

    I really hope they dont let them do this, it is rediculous.

  • Holly

    Proverbs 12:10

    Whoever is righteous has regard for the life of his beast, but the mercy of the wicked is cruel.
    “The righteous man treats animals with kindness and seeks to know their needs. A wicked person may vocally express love for animals, but his “mercies,” at best, are actually cruel. His actions betray the selfish motive he has in mind.” How true this is of those who are willing to let animals live in small cages piled on top of each other. With little if any socialization, and all around improper care. All for money! Raise cows, pigs or chickens like a REAL farmer. Dogs are NOT an agricultural animal. The fact that some people on here believe they are is laughable. I am a local, and I too love the farm atmosphere. But this is not farming at all. It is a plan for animal abuse. There is no need for more little dogs. The shelters are already full, to the point of having to kill more and more every week!

  • Elaine

    This is so wrong on so many levels…. And you can be assured I will do whatever I can to involve media, PETA, and anyone else who will listen! People worried about upsetting their “small town” atmosphere by having this attention drawn to them, are heartless and in for a rude awakening!

  • Todd Greenfield

    Say NO TO THE MILL. Its just not right,to bring dogs into this world that way. They are locked up. No contact with people, so if your dumb enough to buy a dog that was raised in a mill. He/She will be afraid of people,not right in the head. Why even let these people do this?. There are places like NUTS FOR MUTTS. Where they take dogs into their home. Train them, house and crate. Get them use to people. So you will get a happy dog that will be your friend forever. I would never have a dog from a mill. Hows about if we put all the mill owners in a mill. Never let them outside,see sunlight, sit and lay in there own shit and dig a hole for them when they die!!!!!

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  • Joe Varga

    You all really want to do something about it? Petitions are nice and all, but action away from the keyboard is what makes a difference and none of it is easy.

    Apply to be an intern/volunteer for a government office, it is a lengthy drawn out process. Then contact the people who are charged with inspection, they are not located in Ontario county and the puppy mill owners know this. You can then be charged in an official capacity with documenting the activity at the facility to report back to the officer in charge. It will take a lot of effort on your part to accomplish this goal and you will not see a penny for your effort; in fact you will lose a bit of money for some travel related costs…

    Is that too much for you? I have already started the process. If you can’t commit to really DOING something, then all your “bichting” about it is annoying to everyone but the owners of the facility who will carry on right around your disgust…

    Sorry to be so blunt, but I hate that so many think words/posts/pages/petitions will solve every situation. The owners of this mill are definitely being immoral in terms of dog health, but if they don’t care about the dogs, why would they care what you think? You must actually DO something that will harm their bottom line for them to listen.

    If they are forced to follow every rule and regulation and not allowed any time to slip up and get written up for every violation, they will go bankrupt from either fine payments or cost of meeting regs…

    I know they already have hundreds of dogs. You can actually help prevent them from making more…

    -Joe

    • Joanne Brokaw

      Joe, those are great points. Addressing animal cruelty issues is not for the weak of heart or weak of spirit. I posted some ways people can direct their energies in this post:
      http://www.patheos.com/blogs/heavenlycreatures/2012/02/what-you-can-do-about-animal-cruelty-in-your-community-whether-you-live-in-gorham-or-not/

      Joanne

    • Joanne Brokaw

      PS: I would also add that there are many links in a chain that make something happen. I’m a writer; I’m not a protestor. There are some people who can do a petition. The key is for everyone to work together and not at odds, or not to go off in a million directions. We all have something to contribute to addressing animal cruelty. They key is to make sure we all do our part and work together.

      Joanne

  • Joanne Brokaw

    Just wanted to jump in here – I know that there are lots of emotions on both sides of this issue. If you’re feeling moved to do something but you ‘re not sure what to do, I posted some thoughts today on how you can make a difference when it comes to animal cruelty – I urge you to take time to read it, as some of the suggestions come from animal welfare people who’ve done this for a while:

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/heavenlycreatures/2012/02/what-you-can-do-about-animal-cruelty-in-your-community-whether-you-live-in-gorham-or-not/

    Joanne

  • Carol TW

    To those trying to make the obvious point that companion animals are NOT livestock, you really are preaching to people who have absolutely no concern for the humanity shown any animal. Their idea of decency is to say, we feed our animals, we don’t beat them, they are our source of income. THAT says it all. When you need to rely on a dog to stay pregnant so you can profit off her puppies, you have already shown that you feel nothing more for them than you would shoes if you were a shoe salesman. God did NOT give you this earth and His creatures to disrespect and destroy. YOU are suppose to be good stewarts of His creations, NOT traffickers that can’t make it in the real world without whatever a dog’s life can give you. You can bitch and moan about animal rights nutjobs all you want, but all that does is prove you already know what you’re doing is vile and wrong, you just don’t want anyone pointing it out. We euthanize 4 million companion animals in the US every year…and you don’t see the problem with a puppy mill? Then you see no point to companion animals other than profit.

    • Holly

      Well said Carol.

  • Chris

    I have contacted PETA and sent them the information I’ve gathered. If anyone has anything else please let me know.

    • Tom

      ROFLMAO, and just what do you expect PETA, the nations leading dog killer to do??? LOL
      Only animal rights terrorists care what PETA thinks.

  • Allison Crook

    Here is their facebook page. Let them hear your voice. It is the only voice the animal have. https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Ontario-County-Planning/73902557498

  • Chris

    I was contacted back by PETA. they are behind us with anything we may need. Also is there a way to get the humane society involved? I would think they would have an issue with a puppy breeding facility (puppymill) opening up when there are so many dogs stuck in shelters.

  • http://www.barkaroundtheworld.com Eileen Franco

    Please join us at the Gorham Town Hall on 2-8-12 at 7:30pm. A budget meeting is being held but we were told that they will allow us to speak our concerns about the 600 dog “kennel” that has been slated to be built by the Martins.

    Please support the dogs and attend. Voicing comments here is not enough. Hope to see you all there Wed. eve
    Eileen Franco
    The Bark Heard Around the World

  • Bill Sutherland

    Ms. Debbie and Mr. Williams:
    There is a small difference between puppy mills and commercial breeders, mainly that commercial breeders are in compliance with the Animal Welfare Act (which only requires a dog have access to food and water and be able to turn around) and that puppy mills are not. No matter how sparking clean and modern a commercial breeding facility may be, commercial breeding is inherently cruel – no matter what you call it. (Disputing the definition is merely a propaganda strategy of this industry.)
    I prefer the term puppy mill since commercial breeding facility sounds so gentrified and gives this vile industry a measure of credibility that is undeserved. The term puppy mill is especially appropriate here as the Amish and Mennonites are famous for their abuse and cruel treatment of mill dogs, for their own greed.
    Here is a study showing the severe and permanent psychological damage that is done to dogs in puppy mills as well as commercial breeding facilities.
    http://www.prweb.com/releases/puppy/mills/prweb8872101.htm

  • Kathy

    Agree with Joann-please-people from all over are not needed to descend on our town. I also agree with Debbie that our zoning officer will not allow anything to “slide by”. IF this is built, it will be built as designed and all questions will be answered. It is my understanding that there are still some questions to be answered, and issues to be resolved. I assure you that money and greed was not a deciding factor for the town board, and I find it ridiculous for some of you to even say that. If you stop and think about it, it will COST us money, not make us money. I do not agree with Debbie that the Mennonites are wonderful caring people-but perhaps she and I will have that discussion another day. I have seen too many of them driving down the road with lame horses pulling their carts, and have been to the local horse sales where moonblindness is common. You all may think dogs are different, but, how many of us have our horses as pets? Are they not also overbred leading to a huge issue with numbers of them up for “adoption” and sold to kill buyers. We see this locally also due to the racing industry. I am not for this Puppy mill, don’t get me wrong, but until the laws change at a state level we will be hard pressed as a local jurisdiction to stop it. Part of the reason they are all flooding to NY is because of the law changes in PA. THe town cannot simply have said no because they feel like it. They would be in court faster you can imagine. To all of you out of towners just looking for a cause-please stay home.
    @ debbie- Think I know you-hope to see you soon-maybe at the meeting!

    • Tom

      Kathy, I agree with you on some of your points and disagree on some. However, even though we probably would end up on opposite sides of the debate table on these issues, your post has earned my respect, for what that’s worth. ;)

      Usually, and probably in this case too, animal rights activists will drag in as many ppl as possible even to the point of having more attend the meeting than even lives there, just to try and intimidate the local board members.

      I applaud you for asking ppl who are not local to stay away, good luck with that though.

  • IT IS A PUPPY MILL!!

    Hey Deb and Mr. Williams,

    “The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated” – Mahatma Gandhi.

    Also, the definition of a puppy mill: “A puppy mill, sometimes known as a puppy farm, is a commercial dog breeding facility that is operated with an emphasis upon profits above animal welfare and is often in substandard conditions regarding the well-being of dogs in their care.” BINGO!

    Think of your own pets. If the poor things knew what you were supporting they would be ASHAMED to be your pets! Look into their eyes and tell them you think a puppy mill is OK.

  • lori

    I have a kennel myself and am USDA licensed. Very few of your houses would pass the USDA inspections. I have been in many kennels and none look as bad as The Beverly Animal Shelter. My vet said he would rather work for a breeder than a shelter. Our animals are healthier and we take better care of them. Really we spend all day in the kennel, grooming, feeding, cleaning and socialzing and taking care of all their needs. My children speed hours playing with them. Most of you go to work all day and leave your pet at home alone. Alot of people come to me because they tried to raise a litter of puppies (in the house) and something goes wrong. My neighbor came down because her puppies were throwing up worms and everyone thinks I am crazy when I tell them they need to dewormed the puppies 4 times before they sell them (after all they never wormed there mom dog faithfully). I have had better sucess buying my breeding stock from USDA kennels than any where else. They are healthier and have less genetic problems.

    • Tom

      Lori, these ppl don’t want to hear from you… Your experience does not meet their propaganda requirements. According to them, breeders like you do not exist. However, since you “sell” your puppies, you are a puppy mill…

      • lori

        Tom, you are only educated by the animal rights. I call a puppy mill anyone that does not take care of their animals (1 or 500) it does not matter. Really didn’t God make animals to have babies. Did you ever see a mother dog with puppies. They are as proud and delighted as any human Mom. I have 7 children so I know just how the mother dog feels. I know how they feel before the puppies are born, during labor, and than how delighted they are to show off their cute off spring and of course a little protective. Of course breeders like me exist. I meet them all the time at dog training classes. These animal make up more lies than any I one I know of.

        • lori

          By the way 2.5 % of shelter dogs come from USDA breeders and pet shops. 3.9% from litters produced in the house. 20% from shelters. 9% from private sourse costing more than $100. To read more go to http:www.canismajor.com/dog/surrend1.html

          • Tom

            Lori, I was being sarcastic. I have no doubt that you are a very responsible breeder. But most of the ppl on this blog do believe you exist.

          • Tom

            meant to say they do not believe you exist. sry

        • Joanne Brokaw

          Lori, are you a breeder in the Rochester area? I’d love to talk to someone off list about the actual process and business of dog breeding, if you had time.

          Joanne (blog host)

        • Harriet

          Wow, you have seven children? I sure hope you started getting pregnant at the earliest possible age – oh say 10 or 11 or so, before you were really ready to go through pregnancy (as so many breeders force 6-month-old puppies to do in their first heat), and then breed back to back. So you must be… what, maybe 18 years old if you treated yourself the same way most breeders use their breeding stock?

    • Jennifer

      I would actually love to visit your facility. Where are you located?

  • JoAnne

    Please don’t let this happen , many dogs die everyday due to overcrowding in shelters, every breed every size start a program to bring in dogs from other states to save a life , Don’t do this , it’s just not right..

  • Mike

    *** GORHAM TOWN BOARD HAS SCHEDULED A NEW MEETING WED. 8/1 ***

    LETS FILL THE PLACE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    WHAT Gorham Town Board meeting
    WHEN Wednesday, Feb. 8, 7:30 p.m.
    WHERE Gorham Town Hall, 4736 South St.
    DETAILS The board will discuss the planned breeding facility.
    CALL (585) 526-6317; or http://www.gorham-ny.com/

  • Mike
    • Gail

      Great news. This SHOULD be taken very seriously. No reason the town can’t at least come up with exorbitant fees on EACH dog that is housed – AND – if an animal isn’t altered, PAY MORE. Make it unprofitable. Gorham SHOULD present itself as inhospitable to puppy mills as should every other municipality in the universe.
      Do the Martins and other want us off their backs? Then they should go bake bricks, or deal with something else that is NOT sentient in which case we’d be happy to leave them alone.

      • Tom

        You sound so much like a socialist. You should live in China.

        • Jennifer

          You are an ignorant jackass. Period.

          • Tom

            Ignorant, not… Jackass, maybe. ;) LOL That’s a step up from a socialist.

          • Tom

            Forgot to mention, You coulda been somethin’ too if you had tried.

          • Joanne Brokaw

            This is your friendly neighborhood blog host, just stepping to politely remind everyone that while all of your comments are so very welcome, it’s important to be courteous to each other so as to continue a calm and reasonable discussion.

            Thanks, everyone! Carry on!
            Joanne (blog host)

  • Susan Davis

    Surely zoning laws would take into consideration things like environmental pollution (mass dog corses, disposal of diseased waste, we KNOW it will be diseased with that many dogs in horrendously close and unsanitary conditions). How about the cost to taxpayers? New York state residents now pay between $125.00 and $150.00 to euthanize each animal in a shelter, these animals that are euthanized would have a chance of being adopted if not for puppy mill breeders like the Martins! As a taxpaying New Yorker I’m outraged! I don’t for a second believe that the entire picture has been analyzed, the cost to New Yorkers and the environmental pollution are things that building and zoning committees should look at, even if they can do nothing about the animal abuse themselves. This should NEVER happen in New York state!

    • Tom

      My vet will euthanize one for $10.00 – $25.00 depending on size. Pound workers must be UNION…. LOL

      • Gail

        Is your vet licensed?

        • Tom

          duh, yes

    • Tom

      …”these animals that are euthanized would have a chance of being adopted if not for puppy mill breeders like the Martins!…”

      This statement is a lie and you know it. People who buy puppies from breeders, stores, flea mkts etc, do so because they want a puppy, not a pound, shelter or rescue dog. It’s that simple.

      Adopting from a rescue or shelter is a wonderful thing to do, IF that is what you want.

      Animal rights activists want the public to believe their fantasy that, if the breeders are eliminated then people will adopt rescue and pound dogs…. Just not so. IF, in your perfect world, breeders were eliminated then rescues and shelters would begin and in some cases “increase” breeding practices as well as increase importation of puppies from other countries. WHY?? because the demand for puppies will always be there, whether you want to believe it or not. Go back through the posts here, already someone who claims to be a “rescue” already stated that $he buy$ puppie$ from breeder$. Wonder why $he doe$ that? Mu$t it be for the $$$??? LOL

  • In The Name of My Pet
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  • Holly Allen

    UN!@#%BELIEVABLE!!! EVERY DOG BRED = SHELTER DOG DEAD!!! !@#%

    • Tom

      please provide documents or links to “legit” documents to prove your post.

      • mary

        Why all the comments Tom (Troll) whats in this for you?

        • Tom

          what’s the matter? Does it threaten you when someone disagrees with you?

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  • Mike
  • http://betterdaysarecomingdogrescue@yahoo.com Roz Smith

    This is so upsetting to think that the life of a animal is so meaning less to County Officals of this area. Is this County so deprived of money that it’s offical’s will vote on such a thing for revenue . That’s sick. Thousands of us devoted voluneer’s spend endless efforts to raise money to save and care for the animals these people disgard
    daily when they can not breed any more.We rescues come in and clean up and care for the unwanted cast offs. They come in sick, blind, bad teeth,growths and many medical conditions due to neglect, that could of been taken care of. Are they setting up health standards and medical care for the dogs? NO!!! What birthing facilities do they have for dogs in trouble NONE!! Smell you have no idea what us foster people have to deal with,they are infested & smotheted in caked in pus & feces. These animals suffer in pain and alone with NO Love or Personel Affection. These puppy mills and industies have NO Federal or State laws stronge enough to procesute these breeders from the thier actions and mistreatment. The same people who VOTE these places in lose the power of control once the operation is on going. They know they will only get a slap on the hand or a small fine for violations .The same offical’s pass the buck, when something is discovered all to late. Then they put the Blame ON LACK OF MONEY to as an excuse to limit Legal Action. Then the County bears the burden at the animal shelters of over abundance of dogs & cats they can help!! That’s when all the Rescue’s come in to try and saves the lifes of the dogs before they KILL THEM!! WE HAVE TO RAISE OUR MONEY , THE HARD WAYS TO HELP !!! We don’t get Federal or State Grants or Funding at all!!! it comes out of hard working dedicated working citizens to help us !We want them to CARE & THINK FIRST before Allowing trouble to get out of hand just to get some quick MONEY NOW!! Saving One Dog At A Time!!!
    It needs to be Stopped Now!!! I Love my foster doggies and our Rescue!!!!!

  • Mike

    It would be smart to contact the Canandaigua Water Shed, especially if you live near the lake or in the Town of Gorham. I already have.

    Lake Water Shed Inspector .. 585-396-9716

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  • Joanne Brokaw

    This is your friendly neighborhood blog host, just stepping to politely remind everyone that while all of your comments are so very welcome, it’s important to be courteous to each other so as to continue a calm and reasonable discussion.

    Thanks, everyone! Carry on! :)
    Joanne (blog host)

  • Chris

    I’m quite tired of hearing ridiculous arguments about this being an “agricultural” business, etc. If you don’t know why that entire line of “reasoning” is specious, please educate yourself.
    My family does dog rescue, often taking the survivors of puppymills. We have a beautiful Lhasa girl who still prefers not to be touched after an entire YEAR of living here in our home, where she is safe. These dogs have various issues, but they surely have scars, even the ones least affected.
    They will never be “normal”, so to speak. Yes, they can love – with all their hearts. But their fears are great – and no Dept of Agric visits deal with that. Their treatment is horrific, don’t ever try to convince yourself otherwise. Best Friends, the wonderful rescue and rehab group/facility in Utah did a huge study on puppymill released dogs – results at http://www.animallawcoalition.com/companion-animal-breeding/article/1877.

    • Tom

      Before wasting my time to read a study, I always try to find the explanation of the author as to how the participants are selected. I was surprised to find such an honest statement on this study. Here’s that info…
      =====
      5. Limitations

      It is important to acknowledge the potential limitations of the current findings. Both CBE ex-breeding dogs and matched control samples were self-selected and may therefore be unrepresentative of the populations from which they were drawn. Also, while every effort was made to match the pet dog and CBE samples, participants were recruited in different ways, and the samples differed from each other in other important respects (e.g., reproductive history, etc.). These differences may have contributed in unknown ways to the observed differences in C-BARQ scores. We also cannot rule out the possibility that a small proportion of the dogs in the matched control sample came originally from CBEs. However, if some of the controls were formerly from CBEs, the expectation would be that this would create more overlap between the two populations, thus reducing the size of any observed differences. Therefore, if anything, the differences reported in the present study are conservative estimates of the effects of being former CBE breeding dogs. In addition, the adoptive owners of former CBE breeding dogs were aware of the purpose of the study and may therefore have been sensitized to, and more likely to report, any unusual behaviour of their dogs when compared to the pet owners.
      ====

      funny thing about this, in his limitations statement the author is admitting that his study, ( that he explains in the funding statement was totally funded by his employer, of which there was no conflict of interest [wink, wink] delivers the opinion that his employer was looking for, even though it was not solicited. [again wink, wink] ) may or may not be accurate.

      “Reputable” organizations that want a “reputable scientific study” do not use in house researchers. They use independent, private, unaffiliated researchers.

    • Bill Sutherland

      I agree Chris. This study found dogs suffered permanent psychological damage in both puppy mills and commercial breeding facilities.
      Those who rescue do not need a study to know this. Those with some degree of empathy and compassion know this intuitively.
      Whether in a mill or state of the art breeding facility, they are robbed of their lives and souls.
      Dogs are the most loving, innocent and loyal creatures, and humans are responsible to protect them from abuse.
      Do people have such a sense of entitlement, are they so devoid of humanity, that they would allow this pure, innocent creature to suffer – to satisfy their own selfish needs and gratification.
      Commercial breeding mills must and will be put out of business. If this means that we need to be put on a waiting list to get a purebred from a small hobby breeder, so be it.
      It is only a person with no capacity for empathy – a soulless human being – who would give *any* credibility to these mini concentration camps.

  • Chris

    BTW, I forgot to mention that between 40-50 % of puppies from puppymills die during transport from the mills to the petstores. Part of the reason that the prices are so exhorbitantly high in these stores (who have NO business selling anything that is live).

    • Tom

      Sorry Joanne, at least I did use the “*’s”.

    • Joanne Brokaw

      Tom, this comment is really unnecesserily rude and offensive and angry. Please read the commenting policy:
      http://www.patheos.com/blogs/heavenlycreatures/2012/02/comment-policy-for-heavenly-creatures-blog/

      Opposing opinions are definitely welcome and allow for a good discussion. But please express your thoughts in a calm and reasonable way. Until you can do that, your comments will be moderated.

      Joanne (your blog host)

      • Tom

        Joanne, I understand and have no issues with you. However, while I agree my comment was anything but “calm” I do not consider it any more offensive than an outright lie like the statement Chris made. Nothing gets me quicker than a liar.
        Actually I did read your posting guidelines, hense my comment on the “*” instead of the whole word. :)

        • Joanne Brokaw

          You are not allowed to call people “terrorists.” Comment approval is wholly at my discretion.

          Joanne (blog host)

        • Bill Sutherland

          Tom, you hijack this blog with arrogant, rude and abusive comments – and you actually think that Chris – a person who has given her home, resources and life to care for needy animals – is no less offensive than you. She is not offensive in the least.
          While I don’t know exact number of puppies who die in transport, it’s common knowledge that many of these babies get sick and die during and after travel. Their immune systems are vulnerable due to lack of maternal nutrition, poor breeding and young age, and the travel is just too much for them, especially the smaller breeds. That’s common sense.
          You’re arguing numbers, and ignoring the real issue, which is suffering and death for the sake of a buck.
          I imagine you are spitting mad at HSUS because of their legislation to ban exotics/wildlife from private ownership, and you’re pissed that HSUS is telling you that you can’t have a snake.
          So you come on this blog and have a tantrum – stamping your narcissistic feet all over these pages, at the expense of caring people who take on the selfless and difficult task of helping to rescue and care for these animals.
          And calling them animal rights terrorists makes you dishonest, as do your following statements:
          “…many shelters continue to import puppies from anywhere they can get them because they know there is a demand for puppies.”, and
          “Many of the (HSUS) videos and photos used are staged.”
          Nothing gets me quicker than a lying hypocrite who defends animal abuse.

          • Joanne Brokaw

            Just a reminder that it’s important to attack issues and not people, so as to help keep the discussion as calm and reasonable as possible.

            Thanks! Carry on! :)
            Joanne (blog hosts)

          • Bill Sutherland

            Joanne, please see my post to you under Grace’s post. (I posted in the wrong place.)
            To make things clear, is it possible to put the ‘mispost’ here, and delete this one?
            Thank you.

          • Joanne Brokaw

            Bill, I think it’s ok – I see everything as one long stream of comments w/o where they show up. But I don’t think your post was out of place at all.
            Joanne

          • Bill Sutherland

            Good to know Joanne.
            Seeing such fierce opposition to this facility is a huge indication of things to come, or better yet, things to go – like these canine concentration camps.

          • mary

            So many states are cracking down on them now. Us Wackadoodles will continue to speak up for the poor souls who in a lots of cases truley have no voice. Hopefully NY will get on the bandwagon soon.

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  • grace

    One thing that keeps striking me here is all one has to do is stop buying from these people. Are you all so really desperate that you can,t find a dog with in a shelter or your neighborhood that needs a home? Don,t tell me shelters are too restrictive or you can,t go to a rescue. The ultimate story here is human greed. Puppies fly out of shelters so how hard can it be? Don,t like a shleter go to a different one. Rescues are every where. If you truely have compassion you will realize buying a 800 dollar puppy is not a good idea. After all if you can use the excuse down the road that you can not afford vet care how smart was that idea in the first place? Ask a vet or a shelter worker about that one. I for one am not a puppy lover. I would much rather bypass that short spell in a dogs life and deal with its more interesting adult hood. You know when you see a lot of dogs in shelters is at 8 or 9 months of age just when they are almost housebroken and people start to realize it is real work and dedication to care for one every single day. We do not need need more breeders but we do need thoughtful intelligent dog owners who realize this is a lifetime deal and not a cute fuzzy puppy for ever. Stop puppy mills by thinking before you get a dog.

    • mary

      Grace,
      I understand. I have had 1 puppy in my life time, and that was enough. I had him for 15 years. I did buy him from a breeder. A breed that had the Mom and pups in their home. Chance was a pure breed black lab. I dont really have a problem with people breeding on small scale. But to have hundreds of dogs, locked in a small confined crate, never to know a human to touch them or care about them breaks my heart. They dont care about blood lines as long as it looks like its suppose to as a puppy is all they need. Yes now I foster dogs from a local rescue. Im not saying that people cant have a pure breed dog. Just why do they need to produce on such a large scale. Pet stores are closing down left and right, thank god. I can tell you people buy these puppies and just get sick of them, turn them in then us Wackadoodle Dog Loving Terrorists end up with the unruly teenagers to house break and socialize so they can be adopted. I just learned today that Ireland has banned puppy mills, why cant the state of NY do the same! Lets be leaders.

  • grace

    We certainly don,t need to buy 8oo dollar puppies. Its all about greed, human greed. When you see puppies fly out of the humane societies before grown dogs you realize its about the cuteness factor. I for perfer adult dogs who are much more fun. It saddens me to see 8 or 9 month old dogs turned into tthe shelters because that is the age they are almost housebroken and when most people finally get it through their skulls that these are a lifetime commitment and not cheap. Although why you woulfd pay 800 for a puppy and then not want it fixed or properly cared for as a member of your household….It is slo about priorites, and if you want a 1000.00 entertainment center and maybe all the toys out there you give up the dog first. If you want these places to disappear everyone needs to be responcible and don,t buy from them. If you can,t face a lifetime committment get a stuffed dog. I for one would rather have the real thing although it is very hard to let them go when they reach the end of their lifespan. It pains me that animals are not treated well, any of them. Theres no excuse for it really. Unless you use greed. And that is not whaat we are here for.

  • Bill Sutherland

    Yes, you are right Joanne, and I will refrain from personal attacks.
    Has anyone taken you up on your offer to see their commercial breeding facility? If so, would you please post pictures and describe what you find?
    How about Lori? I think both you and Jennifer asked to see her place.
    Please note correction from my above post: HSUS is working on legislation to ban wild animals (tigers, bears,etc) from personal ownership, not wildlife.
    *Thank you* for helping to spotlight this issue, as well as other areas of animal abuse.

    • Joanne Brokaw

      Bill, I haven’t heard from anyone. There are a lot of reputable breeders out there and I’d love to talk to someone who could enlighten people about the difference between responsible breeding and commercial, large scale breeding. I’ll keep looking, and if you know anyone, let me know!

      And it’s OK: this discussion has been much more emotional than I expected. So no worries! Thanks!
      Joanne

  • http://das-leid-der-vermehrerhunde.de/133.html Jenny

    Hi together,

    I found this page on Facebook, you all share my opinion and I am also trying for years to educate the people to support such propagators not by buying puppies from them. If you whant, I would like to invite you and have a look on our Homepage.Our aim is to reach as many people as possible
    and to inform about the dark side of puppy trafficking which you support,
    albeit without knowing, when you buy a puppy from these mass breeders.

    http://das-leid-der-vermehrerhunde.de/133.html
    Good luck from Germany

    Jenny

  • mary

    Has anyone heard any news from the “special meeting” tonight?

  • Mike

    I was at the Gorham Town Hall meeting last night w/40+ people and standing room only. Just 2 sheriffs this time. Lots a media though.
    A 1 year moratorium was unanimously voted in, thank God.
    Fred Lightfoote and the other board members were very contrite and respectful to everyone. They answered any and all questions they were confronted with.
    ANOTHER MEETING IS TENTATIVELY PLANNED for 3/14 AT THE SCHOOL AGAIN …… the same night the Ontario County Planning Board will be meeting to discuss this very subject.
    My mother-in-law is Hella Santee (the closest neighbor to the north of the proposed facility w/ a 14′ dug well)
    The issue of ground & well water pollution is only one of the factors that concerns our family & neighbors. We are also all animal lovers, having rescued both dogs & cats ourselves.
    A number of years ago a kitten showed up on Mother-In-Laws porch. I watched her bring that cat back to life, literally from deaths door ….. currently Calvin the cat is spoiled rotten and living the life of Riley with her son in Pa.
    Apparently the only problem with Calvin now is he talks constantly and never ever shuts up !!

    My wife and I have been helping her with this current issue right from the get-go and hopefully people will finally wake up to these types of (facility’s) and with everyone’s help put an end to them once and for all.

    • Joanne Brokaw

      Thanks for the update, Mike! I’m glad it was primarily Gorham residents driving this now. That’s how it should be.
      Joanne

  • Mike

    SOMETHING STINKS:
    THE NEED FOR ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATION OF PUPPY MILLS‏ !!!!
    http://www.animallaw.info/articles/arus21villenvtllj159.htm

  • Brenda H.

    We need to start a petition IMMIDIATELY!! We can’t allow this to take place and we must unite to shut it down!!

    • Joanne Brokaw

      If you check the updates you’ll see that the petitions have been turned in, there is a proposed moratorium for a year. There are links in the post.
      Thanks!
      Joanne

  • Mike

    3/14 – Gorham sets public hearing on moratorium on dog breeders

    The Gorham Town Board will hold a public hearing on whether to enact a one-year moratorium against dog breeding facilities. The public hearing takes place at 7 p.m. on March 14, at the Gorham Elementary School, 2705 Route 245, which is also Main Street.

    The draft document of the proposed local law will be posted on the town’s website.

    The Town Board is considering the moratorium to give officials time to review

    local, state and federal laws and local zoning regarding dog breeding facilities. Town officials have received overwhelming opposition to such facilities following the Town Planning Board in January granting a special-use permit for a proposed dog-breeding facility at 4446 Route 247.

    For more Rochester, N.Y. news, go to http://www.whec.com

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  • MIKE

    TOWN OF GORHAM
    NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING for MORATORIUM
    Wed. 3/14 @ 7:00 pm

    http://www.gorham-ny.com/

  • Mike

    ******************* MORATORIUM HAS NOT PASSED YET *****************
    *******************************************************************

    http://www.mpnnow.com/topstories/x299876501/Dog-breeding-issue-back-before-Gorham-board

  • furgotten souls animal rescue

    ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! WHY NOT PUT THE EFFORT INTO BUILDING A NO KILL ANIMAL SHELTER…THAT’S RIGHT A NO KILL ANIMAL SHELTER! WE DO NOT NEED MORE DOGS KEPT IN HORRIBLE CONDITIONS JUST TO FEED MANS FOOLISH PRIDE! THERE NEEDS TO BE AN END TO PUPPY MILLS AND BREEDING PERIOD UNTIL ALL SHELTERS ANIMALS HAVE BEEN ADOPTED TO LOVING HOMES. LET’S GO CONGRESS DO SOMETHING TO GET YOURSELF THRU THE PEARLY GATES…THIS IS NOT IT!

  • Anita Phillips

    At a time when most communities and authorities are closing in and shutting down puppy mills, this ignorant community is condoning it! What is wrong with these people? Thousands upon thousands of dogs are euthanized every year in shelters across the United States and many of these animals came from puppy mills. Puppy Mills….plain and simple, should be illegal! No one needs to breed 500 dogs at a time! They have absolutely no compassion whatsoever for these animals. I just shudder at the thought of this!!
    “The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. I hold that the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man.” -Gandhi

    • Joanne Brokaw

      Anita, I think might want to catch up – I know there’s a lot out there and this post was one of the older ones. The town was FANTASTIC in responding to the outcry and last night passed a moratorium on breeding facilities while they sort it all out. There are links at the end that’ll help.

      Thanks!
      Joanne (your blog host)

  • Joanne Brokaw

    A gentle reminder to our new commenters: Please read the comment policy to ensure the discussion remains calm and civilized, and not rude and antagonistic. Commenters in the latter category will be banned.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/heavenlycreatures/2012/02/comment-policy-for-heavenly-creatures-blog/

    Thanks!!

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