The Book of Revelation as Symbolic

Everyone says it. Everyone says “Revelation is symbolic.” Then everyone proceeds to decode the symbols — and it is the decoding that gets tricky. Tom Wright has famously argued that the vision of the new heavens and the new earth is a vision of heaven coming down to earth — and he has made the case that the Bible’s vision of the future is not out there but down here. A new earth, to be sure, a new heavens, to be sure, and a new Jerusalem, to be sure — but still down here. A new creation of what is here — continuity and discontinuity.

Tom knows that this view counters what is popular in the church, namely, that heaven is out there and up there and spiritual and soul-ish and nearly disembodied. And not down here.

How do you envision the final state of affairs? the kingdom? heaven? (Whatever term you think best to use.) Do the new heavens and new earth folks miss the beatific vision? Does the beatific vision side neglect the social dimension? Is the New Jerusalem a vision of utter indwelling with God or more about a kingdom society?

Perhaps the most enduring conception of heaven in the church is that it will be consumed or oriented toward the beatific vision. That is, it will be absorbed with endless gazing in the face of God. Tony Thiselton, as I read him — he does not directly enter into this discussion in his Life after Death, contends heaven is not primarily as Wright describes it but as the beatific vision folks described it. Namely, heaven is an endless worship service. As I read Wright, the new heavens and new earth combine a worship service with a full-orbed kingdom social life. As I read Thiselton, the latter is not part of it.  [Read more...]

Freewill Theism and Universalism

John Sanders is a well-known Christian theologian and philosopher at Hendrix College, and is perhaps known most for his advocacy of open theism. He is a freewill theist, and so his philosophical and theological expertise was brought into the discussion to engage Thomas Talbott’s case for universalism in the book, Universal Salvation?: The Current Debate, edited by Robin Parry (aka, Gregory Macdonald) and Christopher Partridge.

In my last post from this book I cobbled together three observations from Eric Reitan’s chp in order to engage in a conversation about the conditions for hell, but I admit that I didn’t do justice to Reitan’s own interests in that chp (and didn’t intend to). In this post I want more to discuss what Sanders is arguing, and it will be difficult because to do full justice to Sanders we have to summarize Talbott, and to do both of those things would take a post too long to read. So, I will do my best to sketch some of Sanders’ major points.

Talbott argues the case for universalism, arguing in essence that humans, if they are fully rational etc, will eventually choose God and that God’s love means God will seek their best and that God’s love and the endless opportunity to choose, and the justice of making humans fully capable of a reasonable choice combine to create a condition in which universalism is certain.

Does Talbott’s view of being fully rational respect human choice adequately? Do you consider free will essential to how God made us? Does God “risk” when God makes humans and gives them free will? Or, does a libertarian sense of free will entail that God had to take risks when God made humans? Why do you think God made a world in which humans could rebel against God? Is that the best of all possible worlds? Why?

Followers of this academic debate will not be surprised to learn that Sanders doesn’t think Talbott takes freewill theory seriously enough. In the end, Sanders thinks Talbott robs choice of power because God makes conditions that virtually require, or at least necessarily entail, a choice for God.

He begins with a smaller point: Talbott’s belief that humans in heaven can’t be happy knowing the suffering of those in hell. Sanders’ big point is that we don’t know the heavenly condition or ourselves well enough to render such a judgment.

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Review of Francis Chan, Erasing Hell, by Jeff Cook

Erasing Hell – A Response (Jeff Cook)

I have deep respect for the work of both Francis Chan and Dr. Preston Sprinkle. In their recent book Erasing Hell: What God said about eternity, and the things we made up, the authors move the discussion of hell through a few chapters of Bible study and into the realm of philosophic thought: discussing the nature of love, God’s goodness, and our ability to conceptualize God’s priorities. I continue to appreciate Chan and Sprinkle’s hearts, and unlike some recent works seeking to display what is best to believe about God’s future, Erasing Hell is worthy of discussion and critique.

Dress it up however you wish, Erasing Hell is a response book to Rob Bell’s Love Wins, yet despite replicating Bell’s style in their cover art and promotional video—the primary problem in my mind with Erasing Hell is that the authors do not speak to the same audience.

Recall the motivation behind Bell’s book, “I’ve written this book for all those, everywhere, who have heard some version of the Jesus story that caused their pulse rate to rise, their stomach to churn, and their heart to utter those resolute words, ‘I would never be a part of that’ You are not alone. There are millions of us.” (viii).

This is primary. Bell wants to speak to a large number of people who reject the Jesus faith because of the way Christians have interpreted and displayed hell. [Read more...]

Waiting for Rob Bell 2

I stood in horror watching the blogosphere light up last week, but my horror was not simply over the accusations made against an author whose book was not even yet available nor just over those who were denouncing Rob Bell for what they were absolutely certain was universalism. No the horror was that there was a volley of posts put up about hell. It looked like a tug of war between Love Wins! and Wrath Wins! Is this what we need? the way to proceed? the way to find resolution?

My horror, then, was three-fold: first, the image of God that is depicted when hell becomes the final, or emphatic, word and, second, the absence of any context for how to talk about judgment in the Bible and, third, the kinds of emotion expressed: we saw too much gloating and pride and triumphalism on both sides. I felt like those who watched the sinking of the Titanic and who didn’t cringe at the thought of thousands sinking into the Atlantic to a suffocating death. They were instead singing and dancing to a jig that they were right or had been predicting the sinking all along.

If there is an eternity, and I believe there is, and if there is a judgment, and I believe there is, then let us keep the immensity and gravity of it all in mind and refrain from flippancy, gloating, triumphalism — and let it reduce us to sobriety and humility and prayer. When Abraham faced the prospects of the destruction of Sodom in Genesis 18, he didn’t gloat that he was on the safe side but supplicated YHWH for mercy for those who weren’t. We need more Abrahams.

I have myself weighed in on this Eternity.Life debate in my book One.Life: Jesus Calls, We Follow, so I don’t want to weigh in again or repeat what I have already said. Instead, I want to set this discussion into a slightly different context: the image of God that jumps from the pages of the Bible in passages that might be called final triumphant grace. I will put it this way: there are passages that sound univeralistic, that sound like somehow God will reconcile all things in the End, and that if we don’t occasionally sound universalistic we are not being as biblical as God — and as Jesus and Paul. Yes, these passages are not the only ones to consider, but — let this be said — neither are they cushioned or cautioned or cornered off by Jesus and Paul so they don’t give the wrong impression. What the Bible is talking about here is that God’s grace will win. God will make all things right. I’m not a universalist but I want this language to be the way I talk about these topics.  So, here goes: [Read more...]

The Age to Come – New Creation After Darwin (RJS)

We’ve been looking at the essays in a book Theology After Darwin centered around a simple question: What are the implications for Christian theology if Darwin was right? The Christian story and Christian worldview is often summarized as Creation, Fall, Redemption, and Consummation. Modern science – cosmology, astrophysics, geology, paleontology and evolutionary biology has an impact, at times a profound impact, on our understanding of all four of these elements. We’ve hit on a number of these in prior posts, yet much remains to be considered.

The last chapter in this book is by Denis Edwards “Hope for Creation After Darwin: The Redemption of ‘All Things.’  Edwards is a Catholic priest and theologian who has written extensively on theology in the context of evolution. In this chapter he starts with an assumption that our Christian hope is for bodily resurrection and asks what this means for all of creation.

The guiding thought in this exploration is what I take to be the fundamental Christian conviction that in the incarnation God has embraced not just humanity, and not just the whole world of flesh, but the whole universe and all its dynamic history, and that this embrace constitutes an unbreakable promise. (p. 171)

This is a powerful idea, and one that must be approached with some caution and constraint. He outlines two fundamental principles that guide the interpretation of eschatological statements in scripture:

The first is that the future of our world in God remains radically hidden to us. The future has been announced and promised in Christ and his resurrection, but it is announces and promised precisely as hidden mystery. (p. 172)

The second principle is that the future will be the fulfilment of the salvation in Christ that is already given to us. It will be the fulfilment of what we experience in God’s self-communication in Christ and in the grace of the Holy Spirit. … We do not have supplementary knowledge of the eschatological future over and above what we have in the theology of Christ and of grace. (p. 173)

A Christian understanding of all elements of the purpose and mission in the world – creation, fall, redemption, and consummation are intrinsically and inseparably connected to the work of God in the incarnation, crucifixion, and resurrection of Christ. This is an important point – any proper theology of creation and the nature of human sin must start with Jesus and the incarnation occupying a central position. Incarnation, crucifixion, and resurrection are not plan B correcting an error or oversight in God’s plan nor are they responding to a credible challenge to God’s plan. Incarnation and redemption was part of the plan from the beginning. Turning to consummation then -  the age to come is not simply a return to what might have been had Adam and Eve remained faithful it is something completely new and completely different.

Where do you start when thinking about the future fulfillment of creation? Is this impacted or enhanced by your understanding of science – either cosmology or evolutionary biology?

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Beyond the Abyss 6

What does the image of God look like when we begin afresh from Jesus?

In Sharon Baker, Razing Hell: Rethinking Everything You’ve Been Taught About God’s Wrath and Judgment, that question is asked. Here’s how she puts it: “And as we we construct an alternate view of hell and read the Bible through one specific lens [the Jesus Lens], we will choose to pay more attention to verses that more consistently harmonize with the life and teachings of Jesus” (76).

We all pick and choose, she says, and I agree with her. The question is “how do we learn to pick and choose so that we read the Bible/history the way the Bible writers/persons read?”

How do we avoid being arbitrary in this conscious “picking and choosing”? What are the alternatives?

She opens this chp with a clear and compelling sketch of the compassionate God of the Old Testament. Then she turns to Jesus, where we see God most clearly in all of the Bible.

Sermon on the Mount — beatitudes, etc — to the peace of God in Christ (Luke 2:14) to the gentle and lowly (Matthew 11:28-29) … and Jesus’ healing of the sick etc and his teachings on forgiveness and turning the other cheek where Jesus clearly recategorizes — sabotages? — the law of retaliation … to the kingdom has come.

These, she is saying, are the themes we are to use in constructing our understanding/image of God. These images of compassion, peace, love, justice, and kingdom tell us what God is like.

She asks a question, and I ask you the same question for today:

“Do we ever see Jesus — or Paul, for that matter — advocating violence or retribution in the Gospels? No! Violence and retribution do not fit into the gospel message or into the ethics of God’s kingdom. How can the violence and evil of an eternal hell be part of God’s plan for anyone?” (79)

Agree or not? Why or why not?

Heaven 36

We come full circle. In our sketch of the NT evidence, there is enough evidence to conclude that heaven — at least for Peter and for John — is not the final place. The final place is the new heavens and the new earth with a new Jerusalem. |inline

Heaven 35

In Revelation, Heaven is a place where the ultimate drama is staged, and one gets the sense that the drama on earth is staged in Heaven prior to its being staged on earth. While that is one sense, I tend to think this Heavenly Drama is more the heavenly response to the earthly drama, and because Heaven is the presence of God, the drama of Heaven is more intense and clear. |inline

Heaven 34

In Revelation, Heaven is the place or world that is acknowledged by the true people of God: |inline

Heaven 33

The issue we have examined, assuming that explicit mentions of “heaven” can give us all we need for our decision, is what “heaven” refers to and whether or not “heaven” is the final “resting place.” We turn in this our final week of this study to the Apocalypse of John. |inline