What Pat Robertson gets wrong about adoption

Pat Robertson, 700 Club.

Pat Robertson, 700 Club.

When a woman named Susan wrote the 700 Club looking for answers, she surely wasn’t expecting the kind she received. The mother of three adopted daughters, each from different countries, wrote to say that the men she was dating invariably got cold feet when it came to the subject of her children. “Why,” she asked, “are these men acting this way?”

Pat Robertson’s answer left audiences with their jaws hanging low. “A man doesn’t want to take on the United Nations,” he said, excusing the men, “and this woman’s got all these various children, a blended family. I mean what is it?”

Hint: The gospel.

Robertson went on to provide a reason why the men were justified in backing out. He mentioned a friend who adopted a child with “brain damage. . . . grew up weird. You just never know what’s been done to a child before you get that child.”

He’s right about that much. Adopted kids come from hard places, and you just don’t know what kind of problems they might have. Orphans are often victims of physical, psychological, sometimes even sexual abuse. They are deprived of food, starved for affection, and left to fend for themselves. That kind of maltreatment and deprivation can add up to serious social, psychological, and neurochemical problems for these kids.

Bringing kids from hard places into your home isn’t easy. As an adoptive father, I speak from some experience.

For Robertson these problems excuse the men in question. “You don’t have to take on someone else’s problems. I mean you really don’t. You can go help people. You can minister to people . . . but that doesn’t necessarily mean that I’m going to take all the orphans around the world into my home.”

In some measure, that’s a copout. Orphans don’t need people to help them or minister to them, not primarily. They need families, especially the kids who are — in Robertson’s indelicate word — “weird.” The reason they face maltreatment and deprivation in the first place is because they don’t have mothers and fathers to protect and care for them. Families are the only solution for these kids.

If the men Susan is dating aren’t up for that, then she’s obviously dating the wrong men. And she’s also evidently asking the wrong people for advice. Robertson’s answer does’t work. If we’re going to live the gospel, it’s absurd to say that it’s really hard so it’s reasonable to disengage. You don’t have to die on every hill, but Calvary requires your life nonetheless. What else does picking up your cross mean?

When Jesus clues us into the final exam in Matthew 25, he says something that applies directly to the situation. After the Lord returns in glory, he separates the righteous from the unrighteous. He then turns to the former and says, “I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me. . . .”

The righteous are amazed. “Lord,” they say, “when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You?”

“Assuredly, I say to you,” answers Jesus, “inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.”

Kids from hard places bear the image of God just like any other child, and no matter their age, sex, or color they look like Jesus.

Robertson prays for folks on air all the time. Instead of his baffling screed, he should have commended Susan and prayed that she find a man who can look upon these precious daughters as sisters in Christ and take them to his heart as readily as his own.

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  • http://www.gailbhyatt.com Gail Hyatt

    Wow, Joel. Very good. “True that.” Thanks for keeping us on our toes.

  • http://www.gailbhyatt.com Gail Hyatt

    Wow, Joel. Very good. “True that.” Thanks for keeping us on our toes.

  • http://www.TheRedRoad.org Charles Robinson

    Very well said, Joel. Thank you.

  • http://www.TheRedRoad.org Charles Robinson

    Very well said, Joel. Thank you.

  • Joanne Viola

    I had a discussion about this last night. Thank you for saying it so well!

  • Joanne Viola

    I had a discussion about this last night. Thank you for saying it so well!

  • http://www.stickyJesus.com Tami Heim

    Praying right now that God brings the most remarkable man into this woman’s life. A man who will love her and those girls exceedingly and abundantly more than she ever imagined possible.
    Lord, let it be so.

    • http://joeljmiller.com Joel J. Miller

      Amen. Agreeing with you in prayer, Tami.

      • http://davidmschroeder.com Dave Schroeder

        Double amen.

  • http://www.stickyJesus.com Tami Heim

    Praying right now that God brings the most remarkable man into this woman’s life. A man who will love her and those girls exceedingly and abundantly more than she ever imagined possible.
    Lord, let it be so.

    • http://joeljmiller.com Joel J. Miller

      Amen. Agreeing with you in prayer, Tami.

  • William G.

    So basically Pat told this woman she’ll be alone forever… that’s great advice. Don’t commend her for obviously following a call God placed in her life–a call most people would have ignored. Don’t assure her that God wouldn’t have given this very difficult calling if He didn’t ultimately intend for her to find fulfillment in it. Don’t remind her that her current situation is simply a matter of dying daily to the cross and that God understands her struggles and frustrations, that God is a good God and that scripture promises all things will work to good for those who love the Lord. I honestly don’t know what’s sadder, that Pat Robertson gave her that sarcastic load of garbage when she turned to him for advice, or that this country’s sense of community is so fractured people like her feel they must write to some televangelist for advice because they’re not being properly fed in a local community of believers. Sad, all around.

    • http://joeljmiller.com Joel J. Miller

      Pat Robertson did apparently issue a statement apologizing for his words. You can read it here. But, yes, sad all around. Susan needs prayer and encouragement, not ill-considered words.

  • karen

    Well said!!!

  • karen

    Well said!!!

  • http://www.kristievosper.com Kristie Vosper

    Well said. I really appreciate this. As a single woman I often have people ask me “Would you marry a man who has children?” and my answer is “Of course!!” and some have accused me of not believing I’m worth “my own family” and I just don’t understand. This world is a messy mixture of things and God’s story is told differently…if I’d wanted less “mess” or “weird” I suppose I could follow white american Jesus. Grateful for your affirmation of this messy beautiful road. The narrow path leads to life…

  • http://www.kristievosper.com Kristie Vosper

    Well said. I really appreciate this. As a single woman I often have people ask me “Would you marry a man who has children?” and my answer is “Of course!!” and some have accused me of not believing I’m worth “my own family” and I just don’t understand. This world is a messy mixture of things and God’s story is told differently…if I’d wanted less “mess” or “weird” I suppose I could follow white american Jesus. Grateful for your affirmation of this messy beautiful road. The narrow path leads to life…

  • http://www.chasingthesound.com Chase

    This the result of wrong theology. Robertson doesnt know the real Jesus, he knows a wrong theology Jesus. This is witnessed in all of what he says and does.

    His little diddy at the end of the program where he “see people” and their specific pain, etc. Sigh, tragic. His Word of Faith beliefs are spreading heresy and tragedy to millions. No wonder the world thinks we are foolish.

  • http://www.chasingthesound.com Chase

    This the result of wrong theology. Robertson doesnt know the real Jesus, he knows a wrong theology Jesus. This is witnessed in all of what he says and does.

    His little diddy at the end of the program where he “see people” and their specific pain, etc. Sigh, tragic. His Word of Faith beliefs are spreading heresy and tragedy to millions. No wonder the world thinks we are foolish.

  • http://www.ericamcneal.com Erica McNeal

    This is great Joel. How easy it would have been for him to simply say, “These men are acting this way because they are the wrong men!” As an adoptive mama, excited to adopt again, I appreciate you sharing this!

  • http://www.ericamcneal.com Erica McNeal

    This is great Joel. How easy it would have been for him to simply say, “These men are acting this way because they are the wrong men!” As an adoptive mama, excited to adopt again, I appreciate you sharing this!

  • Nicole S.

    Whenever Pat says something like that, I say I’m just adding it to the list of things he’s said that I don’t agree with. When someone can say that the spouse of an alzheimers sufferer can eave their spouse when they need them the most, and a husband must’ve done something to make his wife cheat, you gotta take everything he says with a grain of salt. I do.

  • Nicole S.

    Whenever Pat says something like that, I say I’m just adding it to the list of things he’s said that I don’t agree with. When someone can say that the spouse of an alzheimers sufferer can eave their spouse when they need them the most, and a husband must’ve done something to make his wife cheat, you gotta take everything he says with a grain of salt. I do.

  • http://www.MicheleCushatt.com Michele Cushatt

    A year ago, my husband and I took in three little children (relatives) from a difficult home. Although we certainly received support from many, many more thought we were nuts and attempted to dissuade us from this difficult thing. As if the rub of it evidenced its insanity. Pushing through those nay-sayers is often the most exhausting.

    We continue to wake up and attempt to do this day after day. It isn’t easy, and I don’t always do it well. But I daily choose this because I was once (often still am) the messed up child God the Father chose. Grateful obedience isn’t glamorous, but it’s right. And good. And a small way for this child to say “thank you.”

    • http://joeljmiller.com Joel J. Miller

      Thanks for sharing. I totally get it. It isn’t easy, and I don’t always do it well, either, but then I don’t always do it well with my biological kids. That’s part of parenting. The important thing for kids from hard places is reminding them that they matter enough for you to care. A lot of people in their lives haven’t cared, and that can manifest in a lot of problematic behavior. But finding a home with a mom and dad who care is the first step toward healing.

      • http://www.MicheleCushatt.com Michele Cushatt

        You make a great point … I didn’t always do it well with my bio kids either! They’re now 15, 18 and 20 and could tell you some stories. :) But for the grace of God …

  • http://www.MicheleCushatt.com Michele Cushatt

    A year ago, my husband and I took in three little children (relatives) from a difficult home. Although we certainly received support from many, many more thought we were nuts and attempted to dissuade us from this difficult thing. As if the rub of it evidenced its insanity. Pushing through those nay-sayers is often the most exhausting.

    We continue to wake up and attempt to do this day after day. It isn’t easy, and I don’t always do it well. But I daily choose this because I was once (often still am) the messed up child God the Father chose. Grateful obedience isn’t glamorous, but it’s right. And good. And a small way for this child to say “thank you.”

    • http://joeljmiller.com Joel J. Miller

      Thanks for sharing. I totally get it. It isn’t easy, and I don’t always do it well, either, but then I don’t always do it well with my biological kids. That’s part of parenting. The important thing for kids from hard places is reminding them that they matter enough for you to care. A lot of people in their lives haven’t cared, and that can manifest in a lot of problematic behavior. But finding a home with a mom and dad who care is the first step toward healing.

  • http://www.jamiechavez.com Jamie

    Fantastic post, Joel. You were kinder to Robertson that I would have been. I never was a fan but the words you quote here clearly show he is old and has lost what mental acuity he had. His organization should move him out.

  • http://www.jamiechavez.com Jamie

    Fantastic post, Joel. You were kinder to Robertson that I would have been. I never was a fan but the words you quote here clearly show he is old and has lost what mental acuity he had. His organization should move him out.

    • Bighoss

      There is no such thing as “his [Pat Robertson's] organization”, at least not in the sense of his being under the oversight of any kind of authority that could effect his removal or properly reprimand him. Pat IS the organization, and has been for
      decades. He is his own check on himself, which is to say that there is no effective check on the drivel that comes out of his mouth.

      • http://joeljmiller.com Joel J. Miller

        I think that’s an important point. The only accountability seems to come from outside.

  • Sonya

    Very taken aback by his comments. Wow. Especially since his co-host of many yrs adopted and that whole journey was covered on the 700 club yrs ago. We must live biblically!

  • Sonya

    Very taken aback by his comments. Wow. Especially since his co-host of many yrs adopted and that whole journey was covered on the 700 club yrs ago. We must live biblically!

  • Chris Zeigler

    I just can’t figure out why we’re still listening to people like Pat Robertson. I’m a Christian, but he has said so many hurtful things over the years that I don’t understand why we even pay attention any more. It’s sad to hear these comments, but we need to stop watching shows like the 700 Club because when people watch them it’s the only thing that keeps them around.

    • Suzi

      Well said. I daily wonder how much better the world would be if people just ignored those words that aren’t worth listening to. When we make a fuss over things said by a dolt or an evil man/woman we give them power and status that is not deserved. Shame on us for giving so much attention to empty and destructive words.

  • Chris Zeigler

    I just can’t figure out why we’re still listening to people like Pat Robertson. I’m a Christian, but he has said so many hurtful things over the years that I don’t understand why we even pay attention any more. It’s sad to hear these comments, but we need to stop watching shows like the 700 Club because when people watch them it’s the only thing that keeps them around.

    • Suzi

      Well said. I daily wonder how much better the world would be if people just ignored those words that aren’t worth listening to. When we make a fuss over things said by a dolt or an evil man/woman we give them power and status that is not deserved. Shame on us for giving so much attention to empty and destructive words.

  • http://rachelwojo.com Rachel Wojnarowski

    May God’s mercy be on Pat Robertson for his words of confusion. My sweet girl, a gift from God directly to me through birth, might be considered “weird” as her brain is neurologically degenerating from a genetic disorder, MPS. Interestingly enough, this has nothing to do with what she has been through in life, but is truly the way God created her. As the psalmist exclaims, God knew us BEFORE we were formed in the womb. Children are souls; not baggage.

    • http://www.pagesfromstages.wordpress.com Cherie Gagnon

      Wow. Pat’s response makes me very sad. I have two children with disabilities that bore and care for. The one has Autism…does that make him “weird”?

      I have several friends who’ve adopted children who were born addicted to drugs, but they chose to these children because they wanted to give these kids a home, just like many other children in this world.

      I agree…what we do for children is done unto Jesus.

      God bless all of you who take orphaned children into your home and hearts.

  • http://rachelwojo.com Rachel Wojnarowski

    May God’s mercy be on Pat Robertson for his words of confusion. My sweet girl, a gift from God directly to me through birth, might be considered “weird” as her brain is neurologically degenerating from a genetic disorder, MPS. Interestingly enough, this has nothing to do with what she has been through in life, but is truly the way God created her. As the psalmist exclaims, God knew us BEFORE we were formed in the womb. Children are souls; not baggage.

    • http://www.pagesfromstages.wordpress.com Cherie Gagnon

      Wow. Pat’s response makes me very sad. I have two children with disabilities that bore and care for. The one has Autism…does that make him “weird”?

      I have several friends who’ve adopted children who were born addicted to drugs, but they chose to these children because they wanted to give these kids a home, just like many other children in this world.

      I agree…what we do for children is done unto Jesus.

      God bless all of you who take orphaned children into your home and hearts.

  • http://www.QualityMusicandBooks.com MaryKatherineM8

    Pat Robertson evidently departed from Christ’s Gospel and offered his personal opinion, which he has every right to do. I am assuming questions are pre-chosen and thus, this was a pre-chosen response. I am assuming that in his opinion, multi-racial, multi-ethnic, maybe just about anyone who isn’t white or his brand of Christianity is considered okay as long as they don’t belong in his house. He has that right. He sure does. Others have the right to disagree.

  • http://www.QualityMusicandBooks.com MaryKatherineM8

    Pat Robertson evidently departed from Christ’s Gospel and offered his personal opinion, which he has every right to do. I am assuming questions are pre-chosen and thus, this was a pre-chosen response. I am assuming that in his opinion, multi-racial, multi-ethnic, maybe just about anyone who isn’t white or his brand of Christianity is considered okay as long as they don’t belong in his house. He has that right. He sure does. Others have the right to disagree.

  • Steve Lindsay

    Many times I hear Pat say something and my only response is Time for this one to retire. Pat retire. You are making it harder for us trying to live out the Gospel. Nice piece Joel.

  • Steve Lindsay

    Many times I hear Pat say something and my only response is Time for this one to retire. Pat retire. You are making it harder for us trying to live out the Gospel. Nice piece Joel.

  • sjp

    It’s sort of fashionable to trash Pat Robertson – over the years, however, I’ve found him to be rather insightful on lots of things. However … he’s really stepped in it on this one. Curiously, he reminds me a lot of Newt Gingrich — full of lots of ideas, often thoughtful and helpful; but about every three to six months both of them say/do something really boneheaded that tars all the commendable things they’ve done which proceeded the gaffe. As a father of two adopted boys, both of them current or former Marines, I find his reflections on adoption pretty startling, and a bit offensive. No doubt, **another** Pat Robertson mea culpa is on the way. Of course, we must forgive him — but really, Pat, stop dropping grenades down your own shorts.

  • sjp

    It’s sort of fashionable to trash Pat Robertson – over the years, however, I’ve found him to be rather insightful on lots of things. However … he’s really stepped in it on this one. Curiously, he reminds me a lot of Newt Gingrich — full of lots of ideas, often thoughtful and helpful; but about every three to six months both of them say/do something really boneheaded that tars all the commendable things they’ve done which proceeded the gaffe. As a father of two adopted boys, both of them current or former Marines, I find his reflections on adoption pretty startling, and a bit offensive. No doubt, **another** Pat Robertson mea culpa is on the way. Of course, we must forgive him — but really, Pat, stop dropping grenades down your own shorts.

  • Bighoss

    Pat Robertson is irrelevant and has been irrelevant for a very long time. It is time to stop even reporting his irrelevant utterances. He is a theological loose cannon.

    • http://joeljmiller.com Joel J. Miller

      Loose cannon is an apt descriptor.

  • Bighoss

    Pat Robertson is irrelevant and has been irrelevant for a very long time. It is time to stop even reporting his irrelevant utterances. He is a theological loose cannon.

    • http://joeljmiller.com Joel J. Miller

      Loose cannon is an apt descriptor.

  • KW

    I took in three boys, not from other countries but they were my second wife’s boys. She had three sperm donors, who were too chicken shit to stand up to their obligations. They were/are a seducer and two rapists. I just wanted to interject that not all men are losers or deviate from a higher calling. Although, I will say that it took time for me to mature enough to value the responsibility of those three. They were all normal on the outside( no ‘borne with’ disability) but they were all in need of someone to believe in and love them. I would hope that you pity Robertson, for he will never be blessed in this life or the next if he wouldn’t take in any opportunity to do WJWD.

  • KW

    I took in three boys, not from other countries but they were my second wife’s boys. She had three sperm donors, who were too chicken shit to stand up to their obligations. They were/are a seducer and two rapists. I just wanted to interject that not all men are losers or deviate from a higher calling. Although, I will say that it took time for me to mature enough to value the responsibility of those three. They were all normal on the outside( no ‘borne with’ disability) but they were all in need of someone to believe in and love them. I would hope that you pity Robertson, for he will never be blessed in this life or the next if he wouldn’t take in any opportunity to do WJWD.

  • Peter C. Myers

    As an adoptive father (daughter from China, son from India, in addition to 3 birth-children), Robertson’s comments offend my sensibilities. Perhaps it is time for the 700 Club to develop a succession plan for Mr. Robertson. Respectfully, Christ-followers would do better with thoughtful, biblical representation and not reactionary emotionalism.

    Thank you, Joel Miller, for this post.

  • Peter C. Myers

    As an adoptive father (daughter from China, son from India, in addition to 3 birth-children), Robertson’s comments offend my sensibilities. Perhaps it is time for the 700 Club to develop a succession plan for Mr. Robertson. Respectfully, Christ-followers would do better with thoughtful, biblical representation and not reactionary emotionalism.

    Thank you, Joel Miller, for this post.

  • RMM

    Pat Robertson is not a ‘feelings’ guy. Sometimes the facts behind our actions, lead to restitution.
    I have known a woman, who adopted to get government help. I have also known a woman who adopted because she was a homosexual. I have also known a woman, who adopted because she couldn’t have children, after having a child with her husband, and wanted to have more children. The last was my mom. I have also known a woman, who believed sex was to be experienced from an early age, and had at least one abortion I know of, after the fact. That was one of my sisters. I have also known a woman, who now has children of her own, in marriage, and was adopted as soon as she was born, from a woman who had an affair with a married man, but had at least the belief her actions deserved restitution, in not murdering her baby, but to have her given away to someone to love her baby. That was, and is, my other sister.
    I’m not sure if this woman hides her children, in the fear she will be rejected. It seems that way. If she really wants a man, who stands in moral value, she needs to pray and join a church that stands in moral value. I’m not sure where she is looking for a man, or the value she holds in a man, but before she even looks at having a man come into this situation, she needs to get herself right with God, her children right with God, and then instead of what seems like blaming men for her actions, she can move in the proper direction, looking for the proper relationship she seemed to have wanted, before finding a man in marriage, to take on the added responsibility they were not a part of, but will assume the responsibility. As a single man, and uncle of three, I decided long ago I would not have sex, until after marriage, and I would not bring a woman into my life, if I could not hold the proper responsibility in marriage. Maybe all of this is ‘old fashioned’, but where would we be at, if more men had the responsibility of fatherhood…or, if not able to, to not have sex before marriage, as God created sex in the proper perspective of only in marriage between a man and woman.

  • RMM

    Pat Robertson is not a ‘feelings’ guy. Sometimes the facts behind our actions, lead to restitution.
    I have known a woman, who adopted to get government help. I have also known a woman who adopted because she was a homosexual. I have also known a woman, who adopted because she couldn’t have children, after having a child with her husband, and wanted to have more children. The last was my mom. I have also known a woman, who believed sex was to be experienced from an early age, and had at least one abortion I know of, after the fact. That was one of my sisters. I have also known a woman, who now has children of her own, in marriage, and was adopted as soon as she was born, from a woman who had an affair with a married man, but had at least the belief her actions deserved restitution, in not murdering her baby, but to have her given away to someone to love her baby. That was, and is, my other sister.
    I’m not sure if this woman hides her children, in the fear she will be rejected. It seems that way. If she really wants a man, who stands in moral value, she needs to pray and join a church that stands in moral value. I’m not sure where she is looking for a man, or the value she holds in a man, but before she even looks at having a man come into this situation, she needs to get herself right with God, her children right with God, and then instead of what seems like blaming men for her actions, she can move in the proper direction, looking for the proper relationship she seemed to have wanted, before finding a man in marriage, to take on the added responsibility they were not a part of, but will assume the responsibility. As a single man, and uncle of three, I decided long ago I would not have sex, until after marriage, and I would not bring a woman into my life, if I could not hold the proper responsibility in marriage. Maybe all of this is ‘old fashioned’, but where would we be at, if more men had the responsibility of fatherhood…or, if not able to, to not have sex before marriage, as God created sex in the proper perspective of only in marriage between a man and woman.

  • S.A. Croft

    First let me say that everyone is not called by the Lord to adopt. Then let me add another side of the coin. We adopted the cutest little red headed 8 year old girl you ever saw. When we went to visit with her in the children’s home she was in she asked us, “Will you be my daddy and mommy?” We were won over in that minute. We had already raised our children and had 6 grandchildren. We felt that we had so much and so many children had so little and we wanted to share the blessings the Lord had given us. I could write pages and pages about our experience but I’ll shorten it to the specific details. At 10 years old she began killing kittens and tried to kill our family dog. At 11 she molested a 6 year old neighborhood boy. At 13 she began trying to physically beat me up when I told her no about anything she wanted to do. And during the entire time we had her she deliberately destroyed things like our washing machine, our water pump, or anything else she could find when we weren’t watching her. She took our 2 year old grandson out to where a horse was grazing and put him down to watch to see what would happen. Thank the Lord I saw what was happening and rescued him before he could be kicked or hurt. Sometimes adoptions work out fine, but sometimes they can go horribly wrong. The key is always hearing from the Lord. We have to discern what the Holy Spirit is saying. We jumped into this situation because we were led by our emotions rather than the Spirit. We don’t know what these men saw or heard about these children that may have caused them to lose interest in this lady. Maybe they were looking out for children they already have or want to have one day.

  • S.A. Croft

    First let me say that everyone is not called by the Lord to adopt. Then let me add another side of the coin. We adopted the cutest little red headed 8 year old girl you ever saw. When we went to visit with her in the children’s home she was in she asked us, “Will you be my daddy and mommy?” We were won over in that minute. We had already raised our children and had 6 grandchildren. We felt that we had so much and so many children had so little and we wanted to share the blessings the Lord had given us. I could write pages and pages about our experience but I’ll shorten it to the specific details. At 10 years old she began killing kittens and tried to kill our family dog. At 11 she molested a 6 year old neighborhood boy. At 13 she began trying to physically beat me up when I told her no about anything she wanted to do. And during the entire time we had her she deliberately destroyed things like our washing machine, our water pump, or anything else she could find when we weren’t watching her. She took our 2 year old grandson out to where a horse was grazing and put him down to watch to see what would happen. Thank the Lord I saw what was happening and rescued him before he could be kicked or hurt. Sometimes adoptions work out fine, but sometimes they can go horribly wrong. The key is always hearing from the Lord. We have to discern what the Holy Spirit is saying. We jumped into this situation because we were led by our emotions rather than the Spirit. We don’t know what these men saw or heard about these children that may have caused them to lose interest in this lady. Maybe they were looking out for children they already have or want to have one day.

  • sandra

    “Why”, she (Susan) asked, ” are these men acting this way?” That was the question that Susan asked Pat Robertson. He was answering her question. Period! Most all of the replies I read are waaaaay over thinking the question that was asked and Pat Robertson’s response.

    • http://joeljmiller.com Joel J. Miller

      I believe the problem was that Robertson was underthinking his response.

      • RMM

        Having the fact, I come from a family that I have an adopted sister, and I also have a sister who had an abortion from a lifestyle of sexual immorality, and the fact I have a friend that found out, months after adopting, the child they adopted, had many sexual and mental problems, from the morality they lived in. This one child had no way of really communicating, except in actions, and the values they came into, were not the values they were taught. A neighbors child was in harms way because of this, and it wasn’t because these parents didn’t care. This happened years ago, and this child in now in prison. This is just one sad case of the fact we live in an immoral word that we are all a part of, and society today seems to praise the value that leads to this mentality. Homosexuality. premarital sex, masturbation, rape, incest, beastiality, etc.
        God commanded sex was only to be in after marriage, between man and a woman, but since original sin, sexual immorality grows, in volume and perversion. The results of are many who grow up in adoption, in our educational system and even in many churches these days, will think, just as the Bible has shown many, many times, in standing that nothing is wrong with sexual immorality, or pick and choose the immorality they are not a part of.
        As far as Robertson was trying to say, or at least what I perceived he was trying to make, taking on the added responsibility of a child, out of wedlock, whether by having sex before marriage or adoption, while the feeling of helping may be there, the reality of that action has to be looked at in a realistic way.
        I have talked about adopting, as a single man, but I decided to help out in my church with the children’s Sunday School Dept, on weekend/summer camps, and helping raise my nephew, whose father is in jail, and has messed up his little mind in morality, commonsense and the values he needs to have.
        This is after the fact, but more Christians should really look into abiding in what God commands in what He created sex for and why.
        While I see the value in both the authors comments, I also see the value in the personal connection Robertson was warning others, who are in the process of adopting, outside America alone. It is easy to get wrapped around sweet words for a child, but many child molesters and mass murderers don’t look like monsters. Remember, I have an adopted sister, and my father died when I was young, so I was a big part of her life growing up. Making sure I watched out, best I could.
        Also remember, I have another sister, who got in wrong crowds, to the point my moms house got broken in to, and all the jewelry, including wedding rings, were stolen. Cops said it had to be an inside job, and for years she lived her life like she wanted, until she started having medical problems from the abortion she didn’t tells us she had, and then getting pregnant and deciding to raise her child alone, while her ‘boyfriend’ sits in prison. There are consequences that take place in all of our decisions. Many times not what we are expecting.
        I am glad, however, that Robertson tried to explain and apologize, that many took the wrong way. Unless you are a part of living in the reality of circumstances, you cannot see that some words, that may seem harsh, are words of warning to others, and to be careful with facts over feelings. God Bless.

  • sandra

    “Why”, she (Susan) asked, ” are these men acting this way?” That was the question that Susan asked Pat Robertson. He was answering her question. Period! Most all of the replies I read are waaaaay over thinking the question that was asked and Pat Robertson’s response.

    • http://joeljmiller.com Joel J. Miller

      I believe the problem was that Robertson was underthinking his response.

      • RMM

        Having the fact, I come from a family that I have an adopted sister, and I also have a sister who had an abortion from a lifestyle of sexual immorality, and the fact I have a friend that found out, months after adopting, the child they adopted, had many sexual and mental problems, from the morality they lived in. This one child had no way of really communicating, except in actions, and the values they came into, were not the values they were taught. A neighbors child was in harms way because of this, and it wasn’t because these parents didn’t care. This happened years ago, and this child in now in prison. This is just one sad case of the fact we live in an immoral word that we are all a part of, and society today seems to praise the value that leads to this mentality. Homosexuality. premarital sex, masturbation, rape, incest, beastiality, etc.
        God commanded sex was only to be in after marriage, between man and a woman, but since original sin, sexual immorality grows, in volume and perversion. The results of are many who grow up in adoption, in our educational system and even in many churches these days, will think, just as the Bible has shown many, many times, in standing that nothing is wrong with sexual immorality, or pick and choose the immorality they are not a part of.
        As far as Robertson was trying to say, or at least what I perceived he was trying to make, taking on the added responsibility of a child, out of wedlock, whether by having sex before marriage or adoption, while the feeling of helping may be there, the reality of that action has to be looked at in a realistic way.
        I have talked about adopting, as a single man, but I decided to help out in my church with the children’s Sunday School Dept, on weekend/summer camps, and helping raise my nephew, whose father is in jail, and has messed up his little mind in morality, commonsense and the values he needs to have.
        This is after the fact, but more Christians should really look into abiding in what God commands in what He created sex for and why.
        While I see the value in both the authors comments, I also see the value in the personal connection Robertson was warning others, who are in the process of adopting, outside America alone. It is easy to get wrapped around sweet words for a child, but many child molesters and mass murderers don’t look like monsters. Remember, I have an adopted sister, and my father died when I was young, so I was a big part of her life growing up. Making sure I watched out, best I could.
        Also remember, I have another sister, who got in wrong crowds, to the point my moms house got broken in to, and all the jewelry, including wedding rings, were stolen. Cops said it had to be an inside job, and for years she lived her life like she wanted, until she started having medical problems from the abortion she didn’t tells us she had, and then getting pregnant and deciding to raise her child alone, while her ‘boyfriend’ sits in prison. There are consequences that take place in all of our decisions. Many times not what we are expecting.
        I am glad, however, that Robertson tried to explain and apologize, that many took the wrong way. Unless you are a part of living in the reality of circumstances, you cannot see that some words, that may seem harsh, are words of warning to others, and to be careful with facts over feelings. God Bless.

  • TINA

    Why does everyone think that adopted children come from bad homes or situations? I was raising my grandson and when my husband of 30 years left me, I was left with a 10 month old baby, no job, no money, no home. I had to move in with my parents. I felt so sorry for my little grandson. I wanted him to have a real home, with a mother and a father. He was loved, cared for, fed, loved, did I say loved? But I wanted more for him than just an old woman who would probably have to go on welfare eventually. I gave him up for adoption to a wonderful couple that couldn’t have children, who shared my beliefs and concerns. It was a private adoption and I they keep me posted on his life. I honestly believe that they were meant to have him. He is now going to enter college. He is a fine young man who has had a wonderful life. Adoption is a gift from God. But, it was the hardest thing I have ever had to do. And the most painful. I cried for about a year, literally. I missed him so. So please don’t think that parents who give up their children are always doing it for selfish reasons.

  • TINA

    Why does everyone think that adopted children come from bad homes or situations? I was raising my grandson and when my husband of 30 years left me, I was left with a 10 month old baby, no job, no money, no home. I had to move in with my parents. I felt so sorry for my little grandson. I wanted him to have a real home, with a mother and a father. He was loved, cared for, fed, loved, did I say loved? But I wanted more for him than just an old woman who would probably have to go on welfare eventually. I gave him up for adoption to a wonderful couple that couldn’t have children, who shared my beliefs and concerns. It was a private adoption and I they keep me posted on his life. I honestly believe that they were meant to have him. He is now going to enter college. He is a fine young man who has had a wonderful life. Adoption is a gift from God. But, it was the hardest thing I have ever had to do. And the most painful. I cried for about a year, literally. I missed him so. So please don’t think that parents who give up their children are always doing it for selfish reasons.

  • Rollin L.

    There is one thing that strikes me here that leaves this whole discussion fruitless. Robertson leans towards judging the woman, while Miller leans towards judging both Robertson and the men Susan was dating. We don’t know enough about either Susan or the men she is dating to judge anyone here. What is missing from this discussion is the question of what led to a circumstance where a single woman has three adopted children. We don’t know. Sure, it’s easy to heap praise on her for displaying such fine, Christian values and tending to these children, who certainly need a family. But did she have a husband when she received these adoptions? Or did some misguided agency decide that a single woman, with no father figure in the picture, would be a suitable parent, while she dated men in the hope of finding one who shared her dream for these kids? Seems a little backwards to me. The potential effect on the kids from having men floating in and out of their lives has not even been considered here. Maybe she should have concentrated on finding the man first, providing the foundation for the family she desires, then moved on to bring the children into the picture. Or maybe the husband she initially began living this dream with is now, for whatever reason, out of the picture and she is trying to rebuild. I am not judging here, I am merely posing the questions. But before we pretend that we can intelligently discuss the situation as it has been presented, we ought to know how she got into this circumstance and what she has done right and what she has done wrong before we offer advice or condemn anyone involved.

    • http://joeljmiller.com Joel J. Miller

      I’m not judging the men. I’m just saying they’re the wrong men; I specifically said that a person doesn’t have to die on every hill. The point is that Robertson failed this woman and expressed a position on her situation that’s counter to the Gospel.

      • Rollin L.

        Fair enough, you didn’t, and I overstated in trying to make my point. Still, I think understanding how this woman got into this position in the first place is critical before anyone is empowered to advise her how to move forward. I appreciate the Christian heart she shows in adopting the kids, and I don’t care what culture(s) they come from. I just would like to see that she is guided to finding the best possible father and her past may or may not be a key in helping that along.

  • Rollin L.

    There is one thing that strikes me here that leaves this whole discussion fruitless. Robertson leans towards judging the woman, while Miller leans towards judging both Robertson and the men Susan was dating. We don’t know enough about either Susan or the men she is dating to judge anyone here. What is missing from this discussion is the question of what led to a circumstance where a single woman has three adopted children. We don’t know. Sure, it’s easy to heap praise on her for displaying such fine, Christian values and tending to these children, who certainly need a family. But did she have a husband when she received these adoptions? Or did some misguided agency decide that a single woman, with no father figure in the picture, would be a suitable parent, while she dated men in the hope of finding one who shared her dream for these kids? Seems a little backwards to me. The potential effect on the kids from having men floating in and out of their lives has not even been considered here. Maybe she should have concentrated on finding the man first, providing the foundation for the family she desires, then moved on to bring the children into the picture. Or maybe the husband she initially began living this dream with is now, for whatever reason, out of the picture and she is trying to rebuild. I am not judging here, I am merely posing the questions. But before we pretend that we can intelligently discuss the situation as it has been presented, we ought to know how she got into this circumstance and what she has done right and what she has done wrong before we offer advice or condemn anyone involved.

    • http://joeljmiller.com Joel J. Miller

      I’m not judging the men. I’m just saying they’re the wrong men; I specifically said that a person doesn’t have to die on every hill. The point is that Robertson failed this woman and expressed a position on her situation that’s counter to the Gospel.

      • Rollin L.

        Fair enough, you didn’t, and I overstated in trying to make my point. Still, I think understanding how this woman got into this position in the first place is critical before anyone is empowered to advise her how to move forward. I appreciate the Christian heart she shows in adopting the kids, and I don’t care what culture(s) they come from. I just would like to see that she is guided to finding the best possible father and her past may or may not be a key in helping that along.

  • Chris from Sydney

    “Hint: The gospel”
    So if a ‘blended family’ is required by the Gospel, then it must stand to reason I am disobying God by not having a ‘blended’ family ?
    Why would God send me to Hell for wanting my wife and children to be White ?
    Could somebody show me where Jesus commands that EVERY White country must become a ‘melting pot’ of ‘blended’ humanity ?
    Nobody tells Christians in Asian countries that their families and countries need to become a ‘blended’ humanity because it’s “The gospel”
    Nobody tells Christians in Black countries that their families and countries need to become a ‘blended’ humanity because it’s “The gospel”
    ONLY in White countries are we told this SILLY stuff
    ONLY in White countries are we told it’s ‘sinful’ to object to this
    The attempt to destroy, in whole or in part, EVERY White country, through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE
    The crime of Genocide is judged before man.
    Trying to excuse and justify it, in Jesus name, is blasphemy, and will be judged by God
    ‘Anti-racism’ is a codeword for Anti-White

    • http://joeljmiller.com Joel J. Miller

      Groan. I did not say that the Gospel “require[s]” a “blended family.” What the Gospel requires is living as Christ (i.e., faith without works is dead; pick up your cross and follow), and adoption can be an expression of that.

  • Chris from Sydney

    “Hint: The gospel”
    So if a ‘blended family’ is required by the Gospel, then it must stand to reason I am disobying God by not having a ‘blended’ family ?
    Why would God send me to Hell for wanting my wife and children to be White ?
    Could somebody show me where Jesus commands that EVERY White country must become a ‘melting pot’ of ‘blended’ humanity ?
    Nobody tells Christians in Asian countries that their families and countries need to become a ‘blended’ humanity because it’s “The gospel”
    Nobody tells Christians in Black countries that their families and countries need to become a ‘blended’ humanity because it’s “The gospel”
    ONLY in White countries are we told this SILLY stuff
    ONLY in White countries are we told it’s ‘sinful’ to object to this
    The attempt to destroy, in whole or in part, EVERY White country, through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE
    The crime of Genocide is judged before man.
    Trying to excuse and justify it, in Jesus name, is blasphemy, and will be judged by God
    ‘Anti-racism’ is a codeword for Anti-White

    • http://joeljmiller.com Joel J. Miller

      Groan. I did not say that the Gospel “require[s]” a “blended family.” What the Gospel requires is living as Christ (i.e., faith without works is dead; pick up your cross and follow), and adoption can be an expression of that.

  • http://Facebook Simeon Stepnianov

    How about… I will adopt kids if I want to! If i dont wanna adopt kids or marry a woman with adopted kids or any type of kids, i dont have to! how about that? I can choose to help people in a billion different ways, and if that’s not one of them, i dont think God will condemn me for it. Everyone has different ministries and everyone has a different way about it all, so dont judge me about it and throw the gospel of legalism at me, please! whoever you are

  • http://Facebook Simeon Stepnianov

    How about… I will adopt kids if I want to! If i dont wanna adopt kids or marry a woman with adopted kids or any type of kids, i dont have to! how about that? I can choose to help people in a billion different ways, and if that’s not one of them, i dont think God will condemn me for it. Everyone has different ministries and everyone has a different way about it all, so dont judge me about it and throw the gospel of legalism at me, please! whoever you are

  • http://Facebook Simeon Stepnianov

    I mean HEY… do you help everyone in the world who needs help? do you send cash to everyone who is starving? NO! So why should we be expected to marry women with 3 adopted kids? that’s not for everyone out there! that’s for certain people, not for all. Just like it’s not for everyone to make finantial donations, or to teach, or to preach, or to evangelize, or to adopt kids

  • http://Facebook Simeon Stepnianov

    I mean HEY… do you help everyone in the world who needs help? do you send cash to everyone who is starving? NO! So why should we be expected to marry women with 3 adopted kids? that’s not for everyone out there! that’s for certain people, not for all. Just like it’s not for everyone to make finantial donations, or to teach, or to preach, or to evangelize, or to adopt kids

  • http://Facebook Simeon Stepnianov

    I wouldnt adopt kids! am I going to hell because of it? :D you silly legalists

  • http://Facebook Simeon Stepnianov

    I wouldnt adopt kids! am I going to hell because of it? :D you silly legalists

  • george wells

    When did Christianity become the enemy of the white race?

    Pat Robertson is going back to a time when the church believed that the survival of the white race was a good thing..

  • george wells

    When did Christianity become the enemy of the white race?

    Pat Robertson is going back to a time when the church believed that the survival of the white race was a good thing..

  • george wells

    Trying to find a way to justify white genocide today?
    Look closely.
    You have 1. Massive immigration, 2. To white countries only 3. Border laws suspended/selectively enforced; Coupled with: 4. Forced integration 5. Racial preference to non-whites 6. Coerced tolerance 7. Socially engineered assimilation/genetic blending.
    What is the end result of diversity? Genocide, white genocide.
    How is this not white genocide – forced immigration + forced tolerance + assimilation = end of white people?
    Anti-racist is codeword for anti-white.

  • george wells

    Trying to find a way to justify white genocide today?
    Look closely.
    You have 1. Massive immigration, 2. To white countries only 3. Border laws suspended/selectively enforced; Coupled with: 4. Forced integration 5. Racial preference to non-whites 6. Coerced tolerance 7. Socially engineered assimilation/genetic blending.
    What is the end result of diversity? Genocide, white genocide.
    How is this not white genocide – forced immigration + forced tolerance + assimilation = end of white people?
    Anti-racist is codeword for anti-white.

  • http://kirraantrobus.blogspot.com/p/resources.html Kirra

    Joel, I have included your blog on my resources page. I am trying to add images to each resource listed. Do you have an image you would like included with your blog’s listing? Please email me your file as an attachment. kirraantrobus@gmail.com.

  • http://kirraantrobus.blogspot.com/p/resources.html Kirra

    Joel, I have included your blog on my resources page. I am trying to add images to each resource listed. Do you have an image you would like included with your blog’s listing? Please email me your file as an attachment. kirraantrobus@gmail.com.

  • http://www.faithnetworkcommunity.net Ian Forest-Jones

    As one who spent time in his childhood with loving foster parents, I can say that their ministry to me was priceless. I would certainly not be the person, nor minister of the Gospel, I am today if such as these had not rescued me.

    More power and grace to those willing to adopt or foster children!

  • http://www.faithnetworkcommunity.net Ian Forest-Jones

    As one who spent time in his childhood with loving foster parents, I can say that their ministry to me was priceless. I would certainly not be the person, nor minister of the Gospel, I am today if such as these had not rescued me.

    More power and grace to those willing to adopt or foster children!

  • http://www.davidjdunn.com David J. Dunn

    Just when I think Pat Robertson can’t shock me…

  • http://www.davidjdunn.com David J. Dunn

    Just when I think Pat Robertson can’t shock me…

  • Mossback

    RMMs comments r great. Same with S A Croft, Sandra, and Rollin L. Chris from Snyder is very accurate and Godly
    Joel, Pat R is not a Word Faith guy. Maybe semi-W/F almost

  • averi

    I find it hard to believe that anyone with half a brain thinks of Pat Robertson as anything other than a racist, misogynistic, homophobic, outdated symbol of an ignorant paternalistic generation.

    Or, I guess we can be thankful he is honest. And start bemoaning the new generation of Christians that pretend/think/hope they are none of the above because they have had half an education. YET! They still support misogynistic, racist and homophobic political policies. What gives?

  • http://joeljmiller.com Joel J. Miller

    Pat Robertson did apparently issue a statement apologizing for his words. You can read it here. But, yes, sad all around. Susan needs prayer and encouragement, not ill-considered words.

  • http://joeljmiller.com Joel J. Miller

    I think that’s an important point. The only accountability seems to come from outside.


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