Christians and Gay Teen Suicides: “How could anyone be so stupid?”

In the conversations centered around such tragedies as the recent Jamey Rodemeyer suicide (see Christians and the Blood of Jamey Rodemeyer), we very often find conservative Christians defending themselves against the accusation that the theology in which they believe–and specifically their belief that homosexuality is a sin against God—ultimately contributes to that which informs, motivates, and encourages the bullying of gay teens. In this short (made with the free online tools available at xtranormal.com), two Christians discuss that very issue.

About John Shore

John Shore (who, fwiw, is straight) is the author of UNFAIR: Christians and the LGBT Question, and three other great books. He is founder of Unfundamentalist Christians (on Facebook here), and executive editor of the Unfundamentalist Christians group blog.  (In total John's two blogs receive some 250,000 views per month.) John is also co-founder of The NALT Christians Project, which was written about by TIME,  The Washington Post, and others. His website is JohnShore.com. You're invited to like John's Facebook page. Don't forget to sign up for his mucho-awesome newsletter.

  • Diana A.

    Wow. Scary because it’s true.

  • Dirk

    You nailed it, John.

    Something which puzzles me greatly about conservative Christians. They claim that the only way to God is through being saved by their version of Jesus.

    Then, they drive gays and lesbians away from God as far as they possibly can.

    How do they reconcile their belief and their actions?

    • http://www.BrianWendt.com Brian W

      Dirk,

      I agree it is a bit hypocritical that churches would have say, a jail ministry, to people that pose a threat to society, yet they shun gays. Minister to people that are deemd a threat to society, yet shun law-abiding gays? I suppose it is based on 1 Corintheans Chapter 6

      “Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,

      10Nor cheats (swindlers and thieves), nor greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers and slanderers, nor extortioners and robbers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God.

      11And such some of you were [once]. But you were washed clean (purified by a complete atonement for sin and made free from the guilt of sin), and you were consecrated (set apart, hallowed), and you were justified [pronounced righteous, by trusting] in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the [Holy] Spirit of our God”

      This is the Amplified translation, most other English translations use homosexual or “sodomite”, “effeminate”, “abusers of men” instead of homosexual.

      Most conservatives believe that the vast majority of gays chose to be gay (it is not genetic / biological, it is environmentally caused) and/or they can repent or seek help (i.e like repairative therapy through organizations like Exodus Ministries that claim a 30% “success” rate). So because they don’t “repent”, or seek help they chose to live a lifestyle contrary to the Bible (by their interpretation) so they “drive them away” as people not willing to submit to God.

      That is the only way I can see them justifying their behavior. Because gays don’t “repent” of their “gayness” (a conservative belief) – gays really don’t come to God on God’s terms (a repentant heart), so since they don’t, conservatives sadly shun gays. I don’t believe they hate gays, I really don’t.

      Until conservatives can grasp that a gay person really can be used of God and be a Christian, they will always look at gays as proud and willingly unrepentant sinners before God. I don’t know what else it could be.

      • cat rennolds

        brian, thanks for a clear, concise explanation. to them it feels the same as anybody else who is “sinning” and refuses to admit their wrongdoing, but instead tries to make excuses so they can keep doing what they want to do. Is that what you’re saying?

        Because if so, that explains some of the hysterical reactions we get about the teen suicides. If you shot someone thinking it was a burglar, and only afterwards found out it was just a neighbor wanting a cup of sugar……you’d feel horrible. No wonder they don’t want to believe people are born gay.

      • DR

        This is such a fantastic summary of the issue.

      • Christy

        You’ve outlined the issue very well with great insight.

        • Dirk

          A good analysis, Brian.

          Of course, the matter is really quite simple. Conservative Christians in America have always needed somebody to hate. Women, Negroes, Jews, Catholics (how ironic that the Catholic church should become the people who most often rape children), Mormons.

          Now it is gays, lesbians, the transgender and Muslims (Mohamedian? SRSLY???).

          So many to hate, so little time. I fear we will see Nazi Germany Redux before the conservative Christians finally back down.

          Or not. And, if they do stop hating on us gays, then it will be with increased focus on somebody else.

          • http://www.BrianWendt.com Brian W

            All,

            Thanks for the positive responses.

            Dirk, I don’t think it is “hate”, I think it is more ignorance and how that ingorance, if verbalized (or written), can and does result in pain and suffering to fellow human beings. There are always the extreme fringe that actually cause physical harm, but I’m not refering to those. There was a time -as you noted – that “mainstream” Christianity WRONGLY used the Bible as justifiaction to oppress woman, minorities, non-Christians, Jews and limit simple human rights. Sadly that is still happening today to the LGBT community. After Sundays posts, I find myself deeply sorrowful that I may really have been wrong IN MY HEART about homosexuality and I have been friggen idiot in some cases…..o sinful man that I am

          • Dirk

            Brian,

            We all have our prejudices. My travels throughout the middle-east have left me with a disdain for the Islamic world which is visceral in it’s strength. Nobody has been able to talk me into believing I’m being unfair about it – and living much of the time in Europe, believe me lots have tried.

            As to whether it is hate-driven or not, that is the problem, no?

            I think the reaction to that gay soldier last week, the manner in which those two women were just thrown off a Southwest flight for one kiss – not even a French kiss, just a kiss – the reaction of joy at this poor child’s death (do see that link to the Newsweek video, it is heartrendering) do show that an enormous number of American Christians really do hate us and really do wish us nothing but ill.

          • Allie

            I hadn’t heard about the SW flight until you mentioned it, so I looked it up. Here’s a link:

            http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/09/27/Couple_Kicked_Off_Southwest_Flight_It_Was_One_Modest_Kiss/

            It does sound like the airline decided to be enforcers of other passengers’ homophobia. But there’s a second takeaway, which is that the ladies admit that they reacted inappropriately when faced with discrimination, and so now the airline gets to claim it kicked them off because they “became abusive,” not because they kissed. Take a lesson from the Civil Rights movement – when fighting discrimination, hold onto that high ground tooth and nail. Make sure that your behavior is so perfect that the other party is clearly, visibly, solidly in the wrong.

          • Dirk

            This is precisely the reason the Palestinians keep seeing victory snatched from them in the last minute of the game – they always end up killing some poor child in Israel or supporting a ruthless dictator or trying to overthrow the king who granted them asylum.

            I am angry, I am furious, I am resolute in my demand that my full human status and all my civil rights be restored to me at once.

            That said, I leverage my (minor) name and (not so minor) financial resources to make life for the conservative Christians who hurt us a living hell. But never, ever do I let me fury be expressed in a way which would look bad splashed on the lede of a website.

            Never say or do anything which the conservative Christians can use against you in public – they are so hateful, they will. And they will edit out all of their ill-tempered behavior.

            Goodness – they’re still using the ‘gay defense’ to justify murdering our children in court. And getting away with it.

          • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/johnshore/ John Shore

            Dirk: could you email me about those not-so-minor financial resources that you like to dedicate to the cause of refuting conservative Christians? It’s just possible I can offer you an excellent way to allocate some of those resources. (Pizzas, here I come!)

          • Dirk

            John, sugar, I didn’t get to be a rich old queen by just paying for any services.

            What’cha got to offer?

            Actually, I think it would be a very great service, indeed, if you would consider a list of safe houses for women, gays, lesbians, bisexuals and the transgender – especially children – in America with the paypal connections so one might donate to them.

          • cat rennolds

            i love you, man.

          • vj

            Brian

            It is really heart-warming to see that (a) you have stuck around here notwithstanding some friction with other posters, and that (b) you are willing to share with us your changing heart. Dirk and Brian having a pleasant, meaningful, positive exchange – who’d a thunk it? ;-)

          • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/johnshore/ John Shore

            That was a beautiful thing. This whole thing all you guys have been doing, both on this post and the one about young Rodemeyer, has just been amazing.

          • http://www.BrianWendt.com Brian W

            vj,

            Well like people say, God is in the miracle working business :-)

          • Christy

            smiling….

          • vj

            :-)

  • http://kenreads.wordpress.com KenLeonard

    Wow.

    I think I overheard a conversation very much like this one the other day.

    My input was unwelcome.

  • Allie

    Good writing.

    I wonder if you’re not overstating things a bit, though. I doubt very much that the bullies who drove Jamey Rodemeyer to suicide were motivated primarily by religion. Even if he had been closeted, Jamey would more than likely have been teased without mercy for liking different activities from the other boys, appearing and speaking in a different way. To put it bluntly, Jamey was a weird kid, and weird kids get bullied. I say that as an ex-weird kid myself. Fortunately I was a 5’10″ girl who had a dad who was a 25-year Special Forces veteran who taught me to beat the snot out of anyone who bothered me. That’s a much more survivable way of being weird than being a gentle, girlish, emotional boy.

    There’s never been a human society which didn’t ostracize those who are different in general and those who are gay in particular. I was reading some Greek playwright the other day and came across someone twitting Alcibiades for wearing red undergarments and having a lisp. And that’s the Greeks, who were supposed to have been so gay-friendly.

    Now – as Christians we’re called upon to be better than the rest of society, better than our natures, certainly better than our worst impulses. You’re absolutely right to demand that Christians stop mistreating others in the name of their religion instantly. But I think you’re mistaken to single out Christians as the only people who ever mistreat others for being gay, or to suggest that if Christianity suddenly disappeared from the face of the earth it would become a gay paradise because Christians are the source of the problem. There are some African nations right now which are not Christian and yet put gay people to death.

    • Dirk

      I don’t get the impression John is singling out only conservative Christians.

      The simple fact of the matter is, here in America, really the only group of people who foster hatred towards gays, lesbians and the transgender are the conservative Christians.

      This death is but one in a very long line of beatings, rapes, murders (and this was incited murder), torture and homelessness perpetrated among gay, lesbian and transsexual children by conservative Christians.

      And directly aided and abetted through the willingness of ‘good’ American Christians to look the other way.

      How many more of us must die before you are willing to admit that your version of Christianity is the problem?

      Making excuses as you are doing is truly reprehensible. To do so when the poor wee bairn has barely been laid to rest is cruel, viciously, arrogantly cruel.

      • Allie

        Where was I making excuses?

        I’m assuming that the goal here is to reach people, to change their hearts, minds and behavior. That doesn’t happen when speech becomes so inflated that it ceases to connect with the listener. You gotta check yourself, if you want a hope of reaching your audience.

        • Dirk

          Allie,

          I apologize. This death has made me very angry, I shot from the hip.

      • Melody

        Dirk, I don’t know what gave you the impression that Allie is a conservative Christian. Based on her comments on the previous post, I’d say she’s a staunch advocate of gay rights, like you and I are, and there was no sign of that in this one. She’s hardly making excuses.

        • Melody

          Just to clarify: there was no sign of conservative or anti-gay rhetoric.

          • Allie

            I’ll clarify: I have a gay sister who is also an Army Colonel. You can imagine there have been some discussions of gay rights in my household. I support her in every possible way. When she lived in SF we marched in Pride together. But even if I didn’t have a gay sister, I would support gay people because they are people.

          • Melody

            Agreed, Allie. I personally don’t have any openly gay relatives, but I support gay rights just the same.

      • Jack

        \The simple fact of the matter is, here in America, really the only group of people who foster hatred towards gays, lesbians and the transgender are the conservative Christians.\

        Wrong.

        Mahometans do the same. So does Orthodox Judaism.

        In fact, you can find even atheists who are bigoted towards sexual minorities.

        And John, these are NOT two Christians discussing the matter. They are merely cartoons. You are simply caricaturing BOTH sides of the issue.

        • cat rennolds

          Are there any major Muslim or Jewish groups in the US lobbying Washington against gay rights? Getting their people into politics and then saying horrible, ugly things about homosexuality in the public forum? Any major Muslim or Jewish foundations publishing reams of slanderous, incendiary falsehood about homosexuality? Marching at gay pride events and humiliating the other attendees? Protesting gay funerals? I’m actually asking, there could be. But the fact that I have to ask tells you that they’re obviously not high-profile enough to foster a whole lot of attitude in the larger community.

          Bear in mind that Christianity and Islam are both sprung from Judaeism and worship the same God. naturally those are going to have similar attitudes.

          but in the US, Christianity is (or was?) the majority religion. It informed the whole culture from the beginning. So atheist and unreligious bigots here pretty much STILL got it from Christianity.

        • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/johnshore/ John Shore

          Sorry, Jack, but using the word “mahometans” means forfeiting your right to have taken seriously your judgements about culture caricatures.

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/johnshore/ John Shore

      I never said that the bullies who drove Jamey Rodemeyer to suicide were motivated primarily by religion.

      • LSS

        yeah this is the question i got on my wall when i posted this video … that the cultural connection just wasn’t there for relating that bullying to christian preaching…

        and i have to admit that when i was growing up in NY state, it didn’t seem like christianity and the biases within the church even influenced the culture a lot. but maybe i was missing something (maybe the church ideas were in the history of american homophobia?) but yeah then how do you explain all the other bullying of weirdos (i was one, too … or am one) whose oddity is not culturally/religiously connected to accusation of sin. should we just worry more broadly that the church has neglected the whole entire compassion thing and has thus contributed to the loss of compassion in the US generally? (since i have not belonged to a church for around 15 years, i would not be 100% sure of the answer to my own question, if asked… but it might be yes).

        • Diana A.

          “should we just worry more broadly that the church has neglected the whole entire compassion thing and has thus contributed to the loss of compassion in the US generally? (since i have not belonged to a church for around 15 years, i would not be 100% sure of the answer to my own question, if asked… but it might be yes).”

          Yes. I think this might be a good part of it. It’s not the whole thing, but it’s certainly been a factor.

      • Jack

        \I never said that the bullies who drove Jamey Rodemeyer to suicide were motivated primarily by religion.\

        Then why do you have two postings in a row blaming Christians for gay teen suicide?

        • Melody

          John is a Christian, and this is a Christian blog. He’s blaming conservative Christians for their role in perpetuating homophobia, not religion as a whole. There’s a big difference between the two.

        • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/johnshore/ John Shore

          Focus on the word “primarily,” Jack.

          • Allie

            John, I think the tone of this comes off much better since you changed the title.

    • Erin D.

      I don’t think it’s that the bullies were motivated by religion. It’s more that the attitude of conservative Christians toward gays helps to create this culture that makes it okay to bully gays and think they are disgusting and immoral. If tomorrow the prevailing attitude of conservative Christians was that gays are people too and their lives are not sinful, I think the bullying would decrease, just by virtue of taking a large people out of the equation that leads to the gay-bashing culture.

      • Erin D.

        A large group of people, sorry.

      • Dirk

        So true, Erin.

        There has been quite a backlash from hateful Christians the last two days, all along the lines of: He killed himself, our hands are washed in innocence.

        A response well in line with the jeers which met that gay soldier in Iraq during the debate.

        It’s hatred which these conservative Christians are selling, pure and simple.

        Oh, and be careful what you ask for: The police are investigating the matter quite carefully and so far it does not look like poor Jamie was bullied into death by adherents of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

        • LSS

          if somebody tells me “what you are doing is contributing to people being killed and driven to suicide”, i like to think i would say “oh crap, i should stop it, then” … but i remember years ago, hearing about Matthew Shepard (or maybe an earlier similar case?), and asking my parents about that and being told something like “oh well, that’s vigilanteism. it’s an abomination against God and maybe there should be capital punishment for it, but regular people shouldn’t be going out and killing them.” and i thought that capital punishment was kind of extreme but i was nowhere near as horrified as i should have been. i wouldn’t have understood then that my passive acceptance of this attitude was a kind of hate, but i really think it was.

  • Josh

    It was Christian groups in Uganda who were lobbying for the “kill the gays” bill.

    Of course anti-gay bullying stems from religion. The bullies hear from their parents and their pastors that being gay is bad and that you will go to Hell. They are also told that it is a choice. Therefore, they don’t want themselves to choose to be be gay. They hate the real gay people because they are afraid some of the gay will rub off on them and send them to Hell.

    • Donald Rappe

      Love drives out fear, and vice versa.

  • Kay

    If you are person associated with the religious right, you are entitled to your beliefs, but you are not entitled to harm others with those beliefs. Using words like”abomination” is deeplyhurtful to individuals who have not chosen to be born the way they are. You might question whether you truly believe that this is how God would want you to treat others. Moreover, “personal’ beliefs are anything but personal when moral and religious condemnation against gay people has been a mainstay in the American discourse for decades. The number of gay and lesbian individuals who have been maligned, bruised and driven to suicide by the way you and others interpret certain verses of the Bible during that time is innumerable.

    How do you feel about the latest 14 year old gay boy who just took his own life?

    He was told that he is going to hell. Who fostered that idea?

    Are you capable of opening your mind and heart to another way of looking at homosexuality? Think first to understand.

  • http://sparrowmilk.blogspot.com Shadsie

    The siren at the end – DARK!

  • DR

    Wow, the siren at the end is powerful.

    • cat rennolds

      that’ll teach me to read the comments first.

  • http://www.wilkinsonweb.com Dan Wilkinson

    Best lines:

    “No I don’t think.”

    “Right…me neither.”

  • http://icarusalways.blogspot.com/ daemon

    Hello,

    Hello,

    Thanks for sharing this video with me. I am a gay guy who recently became a Christian and I find myself in a strange place when it comes to family, church and beliefs. I grew up in a church (Baptist megachurch/Dad is a pastor) as well as private religious school but never believed anything. When I asked for help and some answers for myself and my boyfriend, the church’s response was to kick us out, so we never went back. It took many years for me to finally listen to the truth again and actually go back inside a church with all the scary and mean Christian people.

    I love God but have a really hard time with the people who follow him. The only condemnation, hate and abuse I have ever suffered has been at the hands of and in the company of Christians. They taught me that I was evil and had no hope of ever going to heaven or knowing God. Since they were the “experts” what else was I to believe? I walked away from any type of faith for years until God stepped into my life and got my attention. I have learned now that God does NOT hate me and that all Christians are not shame filled, sin obsessed people intent on making my life a living hell.

    Perhaps I would have met God sooner and not wasted years of my life if some Christians had lived Jesus to me? I thank God that some finally did.

    It changed my life.

    daemon

    • vj

      “Perhaps I would have met God sooner and not wasted years of my life if some Christians had lived Jesus to me? I thank God that some finally did. ”

      Hi daemon

      Thank you so much for sharing this. It’s a wonderful encouragement to those of us who are trying to ‘live Jesus’, instead of trying to shove our faith down other people’s throats.

  • http://www.beckygarrison.com Becky Garrison

    What’s very telling are those progressive blogs, websites that are silent regarding this suicide as well as the execution of three men in Iran for being gay. IMO, Silence=Death. As Elie Wiesel and Tutu have noted to be silent is to side with the oppressor.

  • Sovht

    While I find this video extremely powerful, I wonder how effective it and similar efforts are at helping people who find themselves in these types of conversations to realize their contribution to the systematic abuse of queer individuals.

    I feel that many would not understand the contradiction illustrated in the video. I believe (or perhaps I simply want to believe) that these people don’t understand that their view is innately harmful, they don’t understand that that attacking someone verbally, spiritually, or emotionally is still *attacking*–no matter how right (or righteous) you think you are.

    I love the video and your other posts, but it make me wonder what we can really do to help other people learn about and connect with the humanity of other people–regardless of our differences.

    • Dirk

      Oh, they ‘get it’ alright.

      Conservative Christians, quite simply, enjoy bullying and torturing gays, lesbians and the transgender.

      The fact that their bullying leads to rape, beating, murder, suicide is just an added bonus in their catalog of hateful acts.

    • rey

      Lets see. When I was a kid I was bullied by repressed-homos who constantly called me gay. (That’s how I figured out they were repressed-homos, of course; I figured it was a case of obvious transference since I’m not gay.) Now, I wasn’t gay, but was constantly called gay, and yet didn’t kill myself. Imagine that. And that should be more traumatic. My parents didn’t let me date till I was 16 technically but really 18 since they had a rule that I couldn’t date a girl outside our denomination and there weren’t any in our denomination in our town. That’s obviously why the bullies called me gay, because I never dated. By the logic of this blog, I should have ended up killing myself. Hmmm….I wonder why I didn’t. So, since from my experience, first, a person ought to have enough inner strength to be able to handling some bullying, and second, in my experience its the gays who tend to be the bullies, I don’t have any sympathy with the cause being championed here. If we want to get in a huff about someone being bullied, lets get in a huff about straight guys being bullied just because they don’t date much (or at all) or because they’re virgins. Why must we always defend the perverts rather than normal kids who are doing the right thing?

  • Michael E

    This video is missing one thing to clinch it.

    “Yes, it’s terrible about the gay boy”

    “And it’s also too bad that now he is burning in hell”.

    “True, it is God’s law that he will be burned forever now in everlasting hell”.

    “That is just and good, and is what the bible tells us. That gay boy is burning forever.”

    “But that’s nothing like those bullies, no”.

    “Of course not”.

  • http://Nobleexperiments.blogspot.com NobleExperiments

    Reminds me of the line from the song “Eve of Destruction”:

    “Hate your next-door neighbor,

    But don’t forget to say grace.”

  • http://Nobleexperiments.blogspot.com NobleExperiments

    I just saw this on msnbc.com. The students are now bullying Jamey’s sister and chanting, “We’re glad he’s dead.”. Where are the so-called adults? http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44684938/ns/today-today_people/

    • Dirk

      Wow. Just, wow.

      How many more must die to satisfy the thirst of conservative Christians for our blood?

    • Allie

      That’s a good question about the adults. This case has seen a lot of publicity. I want to know some names, who were the adults who allowed this to take place? Are they paid using public money?

      I keep reminding myself that the most evil bully I knew in High School – one girl who was my friend actually left school because of him – turned out to be a nice, kind person as an adult. He came up to me at our reunion and apologized for making my life hell. So I know it’s wrong in me to think the world would be a better place with kids like those bullies taken out of it. But still can’t help thinking that. I can’t imagine what kind of parents those kids must have, to think they can act like that.

      • Dirk

        Allie,

        Of the seven bullies in my high-school, five died before we turned forty. Of the two remaining, one lost his family fortune, his wife and his health before he woke up to what a jerk he’d been.

        The other is still a super conservative Christian who spreads hatred where ever he goes.

        Even in Dixie, mother nature seems to catch up with these jerks.

        I am so appalled at the news the Christian bullies are still attacking. The fact that only liberal Christians and non-Christians organizations are protesting this makes pretty clear that all this ‘hate the sin, love the sinner’ talk was just another lie.

        How many more children must die to appease the Blutlust of these Christians?

      • LSS

        ideally they can be “taken out” by changing. there should be more study of how this could be encouraged?

        • Christy

          We teach compassion by showing it to others. For children, this begins at home.

      • Diana A.

        One can never underestimate the power of peer pressure. Stephen King’s book “Carrie” is still right on the money when it comes to the tendency of kids (and even adults) to gang up on each other. Kids would rather join in the bullying than risk being numbered with the victim. I can remember having crushes on a few boys in the popular group and working to hide my feelings so that they wouldn’t be tarred with the stigma of having the weird chick be interested in them–lest they feel compelled to start being mean to me to save face.

    • Diana A.

      I said it on Huffpost and I’ll say it here. These student’s who are chanting “We’re glad he’s dead,” are behaving in a purely evil manner and ought to be expelled. Anything less than expelling them is condoning their behavior in my opinion. I’m not normally one to have a harsh attitude toward others but they’re old enough to understand that you don’t rub salt in the wound of one who grieving by expressing pleasure over the thing that’s giving that person pain.

  • scott

    ok i must have missed something here so what your syaing is you feal sorry for the boy but you know he’s buring in hell for both being gay and for have taken his own life……this is the problem in this county you want to let your moral ideas and fun story’s control your thoughts !!thats right be a good little sheep and walk right too the slaughter. this kids only “sin” as you call it was he was a teenager who didn’t get the help he needed in time. all you pinheads are the same…we hate gays, we hate hate hate….read that book again only god has the right to judge no you get over yourselfs and quit sticking you nose in everyonelses lives…and yes i do blame the christian movement for this it was your non tolerent asses that prob taught the bullys how to be so hatefull …this kids blood like it or not IS on you hands!!!

    • Allie

      Dude, you need to turn your irony meter on.

    • DR

      Um, Scott, that’s exactly what this video is saying. How about you chill out and actually take your “all Christians are assholes” glasses and realize that this little video is agreeing with you.

    • Melody

      Scott, learn how to spell, and maybe people will take you more seriously. In the mean time, hateful rhetoric like yours places the blame directly on you and others like you. No, you DON’T know he’s “burning” in hell. Just because you’re prejudiced about something doesn’t mean you’re right. Get over yourself and stop spreading hate.

      • Allie

        I don’t think Melody understood what you were trying to say any better than you understood what the video was saying the first time you watched it. I get the idea you’re not very old. So you might not realize that your posts are almost incomprehensible. Spelling isn’t just a thing people pick on because they’re jerks, it’s also a necessary part of how people understand each other.

        I probably shouldn’t respond to this since it will most likely be moderated out of existence. But I’ve known a lot of young people who started out rough and evolved into kind and caring individuals. We agree that bullying is wrong, that it’s terrible someone died because people were mean to him, and that there are a lot of mean people calling themselves Christian. Look around here at some of the other posts, maybe you will see some Christians who do a better job of living right. It’s not God’s fault that people act badly in his name.

  • From Above

    If you knew the Father, you would know He loves all, and love of a pure heart no matter the type, is no sin! Remember that those that you torment, Judge, shall be your judgement in return!

  • rey

    Lets see. When I was a kid I was bullied by repressed-homos who constantly called me gay. (That’s how I figured out they were repressed-homos, of course; I figured it was a case of obvious transference since I’m not gay.) Now, I wasn’t gay, but was constantly called gay, and yet didn’t kill myself. Imagine that. And that should be more traumatic. My parents didn’t let me date till I was 16 technically but really 18 since they had a rule that I couldn’t date a girl outside our denomination and there weren’t any in our denomination in our town. That’s obviously why the bullies called me gay, because I never dated. By the logic of this blog, I should have ended up killing myself. Hmmm….I wonder why I didn’t. So, since from my experience, first, a person ought to have enough inner strength to be able to handling some bullying, and second, in my experience its the gays who tend to be the bullies, I don’t have any sympathy with the cause being championed here. If we want to get in a huff about someone being bullied, lets get in a huff about straight guys being bullied just because they don’t date much (or at all) or because they’re virgins. Why must we always defend the perverts rather than normal kids who are doing the right thing?

    • anakinmcfly

      what


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