#BlackLivesMatter. And 80% of Babies Aborted By Planned Parenthood Are Black.

Black babyYou’ve heard that Planned Parenthood offices are most frequently located within a short distance from African-American neighborhoods. You may already know that a large majority of babies aborted in the United States are black.

But just in case your next door neighbor doesn’t know about this institutional racism (or doesn’t believe it), I’ve invited Dr. Elizabeth Lee Vliet to explain that scandalous fact to my readers.

Dr. Vliet is the recipient of the 2014 Ellis Island Medal of Honor, which pays homage to the immigrant experience and the contribution made to America by immigrants and their children. She is Past Director of the AAPS, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.

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Planned Parenthood Abortions:Over 80% are Black or Hispanic Babies

 A Guest Post

By Elizabeth Lee Vliet, MD

In the wake of Center for Medical Progress release of videos showing Planned Parenthood’s sale of human baby organs for profit, there has been an outcry that those who protest such organ sales are “attacking women” or “blocking women’s health.” What an outrageous statement.

As a physician specialist in Women’s Health for over 25 years, I say categorically that abortion is NOT “healthcare.” Medicine and physicians strive to preserve LIFE. Abortion is death. Abortion is the anti-thesis of life. That is why most physicians do not practice abortion and cringe at the thought.

In fact, for over 2,500 years, the Oath of Hippocrates for physicians has prohibited us from performing abortions or prescribing abortifacient drugs.

In my clinical practice seeing women, I find two victims of abortion: the soul and life of the baby who never had a choice, and the soul and psyche of the woman who chose to have her baby killed.  Years later, the abortion takes its toll on women in higher rates of depression, anxiety, and even endocrine hormonal problems.

Let’s be correct in terms: Abortion ends the life of a baby. In fact, if it isn’t a baby, then the woman isn’t pregnant.

Planned Parenthood uses benign terms as fetus, tissue, specimen, or “glob of cells” is designed to confuse patients and the public, and to hide the emotional impact of the reality: this is a human baby whose life is being snuffed out. Now we see that PP is using body parts from this “blob of tissue” to bring in revenue, beyond its 500 million a year in federal funding from taxpayers!

Planned Parenthood abortion practices are even more horrific than anyone knew. Doctors and their assistants actually use ultrasound, normally a life-saving diagnostic tool, as instrument of death to crush the baby in such a way to retrieve undamaged organs. Doctors who did this in a normal hospital setting would likely lose their license or possibly face jail.

The baby’s death is not done in any gentle or humane way. Babies are crushed. Torn apart while alive. Cut into pieces in ways to save whole organs for sale and profit. Abortionists cannot use feticides such as digoxin to kill the baby first. That would make the saleable (profitable) organs then unusable. That means the baby is crushed for organ retrieval while still alive.

The Planned Parenthood doctors make Dr. Joseph Menegle, Hitler’s “Doctor of Death” look like an angel of mercy by comparison.

Planned Parenthood itself is a misleading name, designed to obscure the role as agency of death to 1.6 million babies annually. It is more correctly called Planned Infanticide.

An even darker side of Planned “Parenthood” is the connection to the American Eugenics movement of the early 1900s that subsequently led Hitler to his views of racial cleansing to create a “Master Race”.

Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood in 1916 and idolized by feminists today, was a leader in the Eugenics movement, speaking and writing extensively on the urgency of “exterminating inferior races.”

Sanger focused particularly on blacks, saying “Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated.” Sanger also wrote “Slaves, Latin, and Hebrew immigrants are…a deadweight of human waste. Blacks,soldiers, and Jews are a menace to the (human) race.

Sanger must be ecstatic. Her legacy of Planned Parenthood has cost the lives of over 57 million babies since 1973, with over 13 MILLION of them African-American babies.  That makes Planned Parenthood the leader in Black Genocide. Over 80% of Planned Parenthood abortions are either Black or Hispanic babies. There are now more abortions among Blacks in New York than there are live births.

Today’s Black Lives Matter proponents apparently do not know this hidden side of Planned Parenthood’s abortion deaths of Blacks,  or they would not keep supporting political candidates who vote for taxpayer funding of Planned clinics that destroy so many black babies.

CONSIDER:

  • Planned Parenthood conducts 1.6 million abortions annually, according to CDC statistics.

  • They receive more than half a billion dollars annually in taxpayer funding.

  • It is against US law to perform abortions in a manner designed to preserve heart, lung, liver and other organs intact. Yet for Planned Parenthood, this is exactly what they are doing according to their own admissions on camera.

  • Sales of baby organs are big business for Planned Parenthood’s coffers. Details of actual dollars generated are still withheld from public scrutiny.

In another bizarre twist, typical of the cronyism and hidden agendas that dominate the Washington DC cartel today, House Speaker Boehner’s Health Policy Director Charlotte Ivancic, is the sister of Cate Dyer, the CEO of Stem Express, LLC that buys organs from Planned Parenthood. Could this explain Speaker Boehner’s block of the House vote to defund Planned Parenthood?

Planned Parenthood reports to be a “women’s health” provider to justify its federal funding. Yet all of the non-abortion medical services are already available through taxpayer-funded federal community health clinics. Taxpayers should not be hit twice for the same services.

America, what have we become that we allow such mass killing of human babies and selling of their organs? What have we become that our elected representatives do not enforce existing laws to stop criminal practices? Is this who we as a country really are?

Women’s health” needs to return to a focus on life, health, and the entirety of our humanness with multiple medical, emotional, and spiritual needs.

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Dr. Vliet

Dr. Vliet

Elizabeth Lee Vliet, M.D. is Chief Medical Officer of Med Expert Chile, SpA, an international medical consulting company based in Santiago, Chile whose mission is high quality, lower cost medical care focused on preserving medical freedom, privacy, and the Oath of Hippocrates commitment to individual patients. Dr. Vliet is a past Director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS). Dr. Vliet also has an active US medical practice in Tucson AZ and Dallas TX specializing in preventive and climacteric medicine with an integrated approach to evaluation and treatment of women and men with complex medical and hormonal problems.   Dr. Vliet received a NECO 2014 Ellis Island Medal of Honor and the Arizona Foundation for Women 2007 Voice of Women award for her pioneering medical and educational advocacy for overlooked hormone connections in women’s health. She received her M.D. degree and internship in Internal Medicine at Eastern Virginia Medical School, and completed specialty training at Johns Hopkins Hospital.  She earned her B.S. and Master’s degrees from the College of William and Mary in Virginia. Dr. Vliet has appeared on FOX NEWS, Cavuto, Stuart Varney Show, Fox and Friends, Sean Hannity and many nationally syndicated radio shows across the country as well as numerous Healthcare Town Halls addressing the economic and medical impact of the 2010 healthcare law.  Dr. Vliet is a past co-host of America’s Fabric radio show. Dr. Vliet’s health books include: It’s My Ovaries, Stupid; Screaming To Be Heard: Hormonal Connections Women Suspect– And Doctors STILL  Ignore; Women, Weight and Hormones; The Savvy Woman’s Guide to Great Sex, Strength, and Stamina, and The Savvy Woman’s Guide to PCOS. Dr. Vliet’s websites are www.HerPlace.com, and www.MedExpertChile.com.  

See Dr Vliet’s early warnings on bringing diseases over our borders here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwSn85WXZvM

 

 

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  • Nathaniel

    “As a physician specialist in Women’s Health for over 25 years, I say categorically that abortion is NOT healthcare.”

    Tell that to Savita Halappanavar. Well, I guess it would be hard to tell her that, seeing as how she is dead.

    • Sven2547

      She CAN try to tell that to Tamesha Means, who narrowly survived a Catholic hospital’s efforts to kill her.

    • Wild Child

      You’re just another bigoted troll.

  • Robin Warchol

    Thank-you for this article. She can guest write any time.

  • http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny

    Margaret Sanger must be smiling from her burning pit in hell.

  • swbarnes2

    WIkiquote says one of your quotes is a lie. I don’t expect that you care.

    https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

  • axelbeingcivil

    Can we stop repeating the lie that PP sold organs? Please? Because that’s patently untrue; the only thing it did was get reimbursed for the cost of preparation and shipping. Any doctor – like the one who wrote this post – should know how expensive that is.

    I can’t even begin to start about the rest of this post. When you consider that unwanted pregnancy is a major contributor to the cycle of poverty, it’s not exactly difficult to point out that the provision of abortion services are a means to help – not hurt – the impoverished, and poverty is disproportionately distributed amongst the various ethnic groups that inhabit the United States. Likewise, even if Sanger had been a rabid racist (which history doesn’t seem to pan out, but let’s assume), a useful system providing a necessary service that does a demonstrable good doesn’t become bad just because its creator was a bad person. Nitrogen fertilizer was developed by the father of chemical warfare, who considered using things like mustard gas and phosgene acceptable (because dead is dead); the first anti-tobacco laws were instituted by the Third Reich (the Nazis did a fairly amazing amount of healthcare provision, including removing lead and mercury from products, modernizing water systems, increasing preventative medicine coverage, etc.). You can’t somehow undo the benefits of something by implying a racist history.

    If a racist history undid an organization’s usefulness, the United States government would’ve vanished into so much ash and sulfur a great many years ago.

    • Wicked Red

      Well said! I was thinking pretty much everything you’ve just said. I will add how amazed I am that a physician is still trotting out the “women regret abortions and have more depression” trope.

    • MKW

      No,no, no. Enough with your thoughtfulness and logic. Didn’t you know that Planned Parenthood goes into black neighborhoods with NSA shocktroops and finds pregnant woman so they can abduct them, strap them to a gurney and force them to have an abortion against their will. At least that’s what every Pro-Lifer wants to be true.

    • BJ

      Abortion is not the only response to unwanted pregnancies. There are plenty of childless couples who would love to raise those children. A woman can carry an unwanted child to term, give it up for adoption, and never have to think of it again. How is killing her child a better option than that?

      • axelbeingcivil

        For a start, I’d disagree it’s a child, and that, right there, shall always remain a point of contention between us, but we can momentarily set that aside, because what you’ve said is patently false even if that were the case. Yes, adoption exists, and, if that’s the woman’s choice, so be it, but do not for a moment pretend that it is somehow easy.

        Pregnancy is a life-changing experience. Physically, emotionally, socially, it impacts you hard. Physically, it changes a woman’s body in ways that do not reverse; from changes in cancer risk to anatomy to even trivial things (like how their hair curls or what foods they like to eat); these are changes not everyone wants or is prepared for.

        Emotionally and mentally, pregnancy is a roller-coaster. Even without considering fluctuating hormonal signals, ask any mother and they’ll tell you that it was a hell of a thing, feeling at times like their body wasn’t their own. It is mentally and emotionally draining, and that’s JUST from the pure physical side.

        Socially, there are the biggest costs. Pregnancy changes how people treat you; how they look at you. In many communities, unmarried women who are pregnant are shunned and, in many others, giving up a baby for adoption will get you never spoken to the same way again. Even people who are sympathetic will not understand. Being pregnant can cost you your friends, your family, your job… If you do have a partner, their emotions will be tied up in this too. It can be catastrophic for relationships. If someone doesn’t want to go through that, they shouldn’t have to.

        This is without even mentioning the financial costs. Even assuming you did find a couple who would pay the costs just to get a baby, there’s still lost work hours, lost personal time, and the resulting commitment to these people that you’ve made. Can’t change your mind.

        And all of this – ALL of this – goes against the biggest presumption of all: That this can just be forgotten when it’s over.

        Maybe.

        Maybe some people can forget three-quarters of a year of nerves, changes, stress, social struggles, and all the fallout that will follow them for years after. Maybe some can not wonder about where their child is. Maybe.

        But that’s an unfair physical, social, mental, emotional, psychological burden to put on anyone.

        Yes, you can say “A fetus is a child and therefore deserves protection” and we can argue that, because, hey, you’re making a claim that, if true, has results that logically follow; if it is a human person with rights, it deserves protection, even if someone else is hurt in the process by incident. We should craft laws to mitigate that, but what nature demands, we can only endure.

        But don’t for one moment pretend that your position wouldn’t have consequences; that pregnancy and birth AREN’T things that kill thousands of women every year in the US alone (650 women dead, every year, just from childbirth complications, just in the US, yet alone globally or from other factors, like post-birth diseases or pregnancy-related ailments).

        You have to own that. Don’t try and pretend that there’s this quick and easy answer, because you will never find it.

        • Maize

          If the woman is pregnant, it’s a child. it’s not a matter of belief–it’s a matter of scientific fact.

          • axelbeingcivil

            It is? Because, last I checked, the scientific definition of a child is between birth and puberty. Before birth, it undergoes a number of different stages, including blastocyst, zygote, and fetus. More to the point, though, in the parlance of this discussion, I am referring to personhood, not genetic structure, which is a wee bit harder to establish.

    • Maize

      Planned Parenthood sells human organs and human body parts for profit.
      The rest of your post is insane. A necessary service?
      You are aware that abortions were performed in hospitals all over this country in the 1960’s and were referred to as “mercy killings” especially for pregnant women who realized they had consumed Thalidomide. The next wave of abortion “mercy killings” were done by doctors in hospitals for women who were pregnant with german measles babies.
      Go read your history and stop sopping up the propaganda.
      It figures you admire the Nazis.

      • axelbeingcivil

        Planned Parenthood does not sell or profit from the transfer of tissue samples derived from fetuses. That is outright not true. They are reimbursed for the costs of prepping and transfer, which is normal business practice for any medical lab. You might as well accuse a hospital that allows patients to donate the bodies of deceased relatives to medical research institutes of selling corpses, just because they get reimbursed for prepping and transport. It helps ensure that an organization does not spend funds that should be going to provide services on the shipping of donated tissues.

        Likewise, what you believe people called them is irrelevant. The service is the same. Why do you think you can “shock” me and somehow make me reconsider a position based on when a fetus gains a semblance of personhood? You can’t disengage my reasoning by making appeals to emotion; you have to make a coherent argument. Do you think by saying that doctors called it “mercy killing” (assuming they did), you will somehow make me throw up my hands in horror? The name is irrelevant. The service is the termination of a pregnancy, and that remains useful and necessary to this day.

        Incidentally, thumbs up on completely ignoring the context of the statements about the Nazis, where I explicitly said that bad people can have good ideas and cited anti-tobacco laws as an example. Yes, pointing this out is surely a sign of admiration for the entire fascist agenda, and not explicitly stating that it is entirely objectionable but that even they managed to do things like cut down on smoking. I can do that too, if you wish. Did you know that the Nazis made providing an abortion a capital offense in 1943? Guess you admire the Nazis!

        • kathyschiffer

          Axel, I guess the latest videos released by the CMP have answered your claim that Planned Parenthood “does not profit” from fetal tissue. It is your claim, not Maize’s, which has been shown to be false. And there is more to come, so perhaps you should be quiet on the issue as you watch your beloved institution of death fall under scrutiny.

          • axelbeingcivil

            The CMP’s videos are deceptively edited. The first full length video shows that the woman they interviewed was talking about reimbursement for prep costs. This is not something PP hides. Hell, you outright get statements from the people they interviewed that these tissues are not sold and that any money changing hands is strictly reimbursement (something that, of course, doesn’t make it to the final cut; gotta love eight minutes of footage disappearing because it contains inconvenient context). Hell, the first video they made – which claimed to show parts being sold – routinely has the woman they’re interviewing saying “No, we do not sell these things; we have affiliates who cannot afford to prepare and ship specimens, so there is a charge for reimbursing that”, which is entirely legal and normal as just about every medical professional out there was saying after this video was released. Many even pointed out that 30-100 dollars is undercharging. I work in a lab and I can agree; the cost of time and materials, yet alone specialized shipping, would make providing this service a loss; shipping a relatively small box alone just within Georgia is >75 dollars because of the procedures that are involved and the speed required.

            Same goes for all the others. PP doesn’t sell tissues. It is illegal to do so. No medical centre in the world would buy them because it just plain isn’t worth it. Fetal tissues are useful for study, but being discovered buying human tissues – of any sort – would pretty much cost you your job, your company all its licenses, and see you and everyone associated with you pretty much unable to work in the biotech field ever again. Why on Earth would they take a risk buying tissues? How would they bypass such a tightly regulated process that requires extensive oversight both from the government and from businesses? (Fed-Ex and the Fed alike both monitor this process, after all; that’s two layers of records being checked)

            But, no, of course, it can’t be that there is a legitimate scientific need for these tissues and that Planned Parenthood and its affiliates offer women a chance to donate aborted tissues to a good cause. It must be that there is a vast flesh industry here, built on the blood of the unborn.

  • Frank

    If PP and their supporters really cared about women’s health care they’d stop performing abortions. Let see what they really care about….

    • MKW

      If pro-lifers really cared about the lives of children, they would support poor children instead of creating and spewing false propaganda against PP and it’s supporters. Let’s see what they really care about…

      • Frank

        There are plenty of pro life people who give to and serve the poor in many ways. So much for your deflection form the issue at hand.

        Let’s see what PP really cares more about: abortion or women’s health. Everyone is watching.

        • swbarnes2

          Colorado started a program that dropped abortion rates by 35%!!! “Pro-life” Republicans let the funding drop. Where are all your “pro-life” people demanding that such a program be continued?

          Abortion IS Part of women’s health care. Savita Halappalaver died because she could not get proper medical care, because “pro-life” policies demanded that doctors sit back and watch as her pregnancy killed her.

          • Frank

            Abortion is not health care. There is nothing healthy about it. It results in the death of the unborn child 100% of the time.

            Everyone should have access to healthcare.

            Nice red herring btw but it’s ineffective.

          • Sarah

            I don’t think it’s a red herring. I think it’s a glaring indication that pro-lifers either don’t seriously think their cause will be successful or don’t seriously care about women. I don’t understand why there isn’t a pro-life political movement to fund community medical centers that offer the basic healthcare, testing, and education services of PP without providing abortions. Access to contraception is a really effective way to prevent abortions as well as improve the lives of women and their kids. But I have yet to hear about that. I hear about diverting funding to crisis pregnancy centers, but they don’t provide actual medical care. Where is the pro-life concern for the health, well-being, and contraceptive needs of women currently served by PP? Do you think women will simply not need those services if PP is no longer operating?

          • Frank

            If PP really cared about women’s health they’d stop performing abortions. They say they make no money on it and it’s only 3% of their business. Let’s see what they really care about….

          • Sarah

            But that’s just it–Planned Parenthood considers abortion to be part of the complete range of reproductive healthcare services (though not all PP locations offer abortion). To them, taking away abortion services would be taking away a crucial part of reproductive healthcare. What I’m arguing is that those who view abortion as outside of healthcare should put their (tax) money where their mouth is and offer a real alternative to PP. Where are the pro-lifers saying, “People need access to basic medical care, STI testing, contraception, prenatal care, and sexual health education, and it is a shame that so many need to rely on the services of Planned Parenthood for those things. We MUST fund an alternative national network of healthcare centers for low-income people and families, so that they do not suffer when PP is defunded”?

          • Frank

            Abortion is not health care no matter how many times people, say it.

            If teeny cared more about actual women’s health care and nit abortions they’d stop,performing abortions immediately. Let’s see what they care about…

            PP could ensure their continued funding by ceasing abortions.

          • Sarah

            At this point you’re either misunderstanding me or willfully ignoring my meaning. We’ve established that you firmly, absolutely believe that abortion isn’t healthcare. Given that PP is never going to share your view, and given that PP is currently serving certain needs of low income women and families (basic healthcare, testing, contraception, prenatal care, etc.), and given that access to those services can prevent unwanted pregnancy and abortion, as well as keep families healthy, what is the pro-life plan for meeting the healthcare, and particularly the sexual health needs of low income people? Your proposed solution seems to be “PP should become pro-life,” which is a pretty disingenuous position both because you know it’s not going to happen and because it doesn’t require anything from the pro-life camp. It leaves me thinking that the pro-life movement, as a unified political force, doesn’t give much thought to the lives of people who use PP. I think it’s pretty outrageous to be pro-unborn-life without thinking about the health and contraceptive needs of pregnant and parenting low-income women.

          • Frank

            All PP has to do is stop performing abortions and every attempt to defund them will fail and they will be able to continue to provide actual women’s healthcare.

            If they care more about abortion and get defunded I have no doubt that those that support killing unborn children will provide the finances. And Obamacare has promised to provide health services as well.

            No women need to go without healthcare.

          • Sarah

            That’s a pretty easy position to take as a pro-lifer: you don’t have to cross conservative political allies by advocating for funding of new programs for low-income people, you don’t have to get anywhere near the lives of low-income women who seek contraception and abortion services (which means you can hold onto your understanding of women who seek abortions as serving their own comfort and convenience), and you get to put responsibility for doing the good work of providing healthcare services on PP (despite claiming to believe it mistreats and manipulates women). In this vision of how things should be, you (the pro-life movement) bear no risk and do no work other than political advocacy against abortion. It’s this type of message that makes it hard for me to imagine that pro-lifers have any concern for the life of beings other than fetuses.

          • Sven2547

            Abortion is not health care.

            You can only make that statement if you completely remove the woman from the equation (as so many of you do).

          • Frank

            Killing an unborn child is not health care. Calling it such is trying to reframe it to distract from the fact that it’s a premeditated killing of an unborn child. More and more are waking up to this fact.

          • Sven2547

            Again, no mention or thought of the woman. Pregnancy has major effects on a woman’s health.

          • Frank

            Yes pregnancy and caring for a pregnant women is health care. Abortion is not.

        • Erp

          Well it tests for sexually transmitted diseases (both sexes)

          Provides contraception (both sexes though mostly women)

          Does cancer screening (PAP tests, breast cancer, etc).

          Does pregnancy testing, prenatal care, and referrals for prenatal care and for adoption services. And it does abortions which are also part of healthcare. Any pregnancy is dangerous and I don’t want the state rather than the individual woman deciding whether it is so dangerous as to allow a woman to have an abortion.

          According to the CDC bout about 650 women die each year in the US from pregnancy complications. The maternal mortality rate (the number of women who die from pregnancy complications for every 100,000 live births) in the US is rising and is high for the developed world (it is about 3 times as high as the rate in the UK). One hopes the expanse of Obamacare is allowing women to get the necessary care before, during, and after pregnancy so they aren’t dying from pregnancies.

          • Frank

            Yes 97% of their services are not abortion.

            Let’s see if they care more about the 3% of the abortions they perform or the 97% of the women’s healthcare they provide.

          • Warren

            You used that exact same wording above when talking about what percentage of abortions are “justified” in your view. Are you aware that there are more integers than just 3 and 97?

          • Frank

            The numbers don’t lie.

        • Sven2547

          So much for your deflection form the issue at hand.

          Hardly a deflection. 7 in 10 women who obtain abortions cite financial difficulty as a reason for doing so. 3 in 10 cite it as their primary reason.

          Want to cut down on abortions? Raise the minimum wage, and insist on paid maternity/paternity leave. That’s what a real “culture of life” would do.

          • Frank

            Yes indeed. “I have to kill my unborn child because I might have to get a second job and sacrifice some of the things I want” is a matter of comfort and convenience.

          • Sven2547

            ‘Just get a second job’ truly speaks to the glib indifference of modern conservatives to poorer Americans. Even working one job as a new mother is extremely difficult.

          • Frank

            I would imagine it is. Which is why if you can’t afford a child don’t have one. But killing it off to cover your mistake is immature, immoral, unethical and selfish.

          • Sven2547

            Which is why if you can’t afford a child don’t have one.

            Again with these glib, sanctimonious quips. This is only a valid argument in a magical world where every single pregnancy is planned.

            Another thing the “culture of life” should promote, but so often fails to: the free and accessible distribution of contraceptives, and comprehensive sex-education so people understand how they work and how to use them.

          • Frank

            Accidents and mistakes do happen. Making an innocent unborn child pay with their life for your mistake is immature, immoral, unethical and selfish.

            There is no reason anyone who wants it can’t have free birth control. Almost everywhere free condoms are available.

          • Sven2547

            Really? I can’t remember the last time I saw a free condom. The Pill can be upwards of $50/month.

            You really just keep supporting my point: you repeatedly reject the ethical, common-sense solutions I’m offering to drastically reduce the number of abortions.

          • Frank

            Condoms are free almost everywhere.

          • Sven2547

            Yeah, you keep saying that. Yet everywhere I see condoms: the gas station, the drug store, the supermarket, they always have a price tag under them. You have a strange definition of “almost everywhere”.

          • Frank

            A simple search of “where to get free condoms” provide a plethora of results. Almost every city health clinic provides free condoms.

          • Sven2547

            Ahh, so by “almost everywhere”, you mean “a tiny fraction of the places with condoms”.

          • Frank

            No I mean in almost every city in this country. Do some research before you look more foolish.

          • Sven2547

            And for people outside of cities?

            And how about when those condoms break, as they sometimes do?

            To say nothing of “the culture of life”s ongoing campaign to shut down numerous health clinics.

          • Frank

            Oh no you mean people might have to put some effort in? If you can find a way to get to an abortion clinic you can find a way to get a condom.

            Yes condoms do break. That’s a risk you take. Making an innocent unborn child pay with their life for your risk is immature, immoral, unethical and selfish.

            If PP really cared abound womens health they’d stop performing abortions immediately. Let see what they really care about….

          • Sven2547

            Making an innocent unborn child pay with their life for your risk is immature, immoral, unethical and selfish.

            Again with this copy-pasted mantra. The indoctrination is strong with you.

            Immature is acting like an accidental pregnancy is always a woman’s fault. Immoral is taking away a woman’s bodily autonomy. Unethical is repeatedly misrepresenting PP’s mission, methods, and value to society. Selfishness is pretending that serious financial worry is just laziness on the part of the underprivileged.

            If PP really cared abound womens health they’d stop performing abortions immediately.

            And send people like Tamesha Means home, just like the “culture of life” did. What a joke.

          • Frank

            Yes I understand you’d rather ignore the reality of the situation.

            Let’s see if PP and their supporters care more about abortion or women’s health. Let’s see….

          • Frank

            One thing we all know for sure, an accidental pregnancy is never the unborn child’s fault.

    • swbarnes2

      So you think that Irish doctors were PROTECTING Savita Halapalaver’s health by sitting back and watching her doomed pregnancy kill her? You think that good health care would have been for St. Joseph’s in Phoenix to sit back and watch that woman die of heart failure caused by her pregnancy?

      If your daughter was DYING from a doomed pregnancy, what would you say to her? To her husband, and her thinking, feeling children, who only wanted their mother to come home?

      • Frank

        Only 3% of all abortions are to due to reasons of rape, incest, to save the life of the mother or the inviability of the child.

        Let’s deal with the other 97%.

        • swbarnes2

          No, let’s deal with the low-hanging fruit, or address why “pro-life” people are okay with letting women die if their pregnancies go south. Republican Scott Walker is perfectly open about thinking women deserve to die if their pregnancies go south. Where are all the “pro-life” people who think that’s abhorrent? Where are all the “pro-life” organizations saying “We will NEVER support a candidate who thinks women should die if their pregnancies go wrong”? Where are the headlines about “pro-life” organizations withdrawing support from Walker over what he said?

          • Frank

            Nice deflection from the issue.

            Only 3% of all abortions are performed to save the life of the mother, due to rape or incest or the inviability of the unborn child.

  • MrCorvus

    “Sanger focused particularly on blacks, saying “Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated.” Sanger also wrote “Slaves,
    Latin, and Hebrew immigrants are…a deadweight of human waste.
    Blacks,soldiers, and Jews are a menace to the (human) race.”

    Can you source these quotes? Didn’t think so, because she never said them.

    • BJ
      • MrCorvus

        Thanks for the source, but that is a blog just repeating the same misinformation. Notice the first quote from your link, the one mentioning “human weeds”. The quote mentioned in your link does not match the one cited in this article at all. It isn’t even really a quote, it is a string of random phrases taken out of context and strung together. The author also doesn’t seem to be able to cite a page number from where these quotes appear like she does for her other citations. The second quote from this article isn’t mentioned at all in your link.

        So, again, can you source these quotes?

        • Maize

          Why don’t you do your own research.

          • MrCorvus

            I have, and have come to the conclusion that Sanger did not make either of these statements.

            However, there is always the chance I am wrong, hence why I am asking for the source. Since BJ is unable or unwilling to provide this source, I must continue to think I am correct, that Sanger never said these things.

            I didn’t see you jumping in with a source either, I wonder why that is?

          • kathyschiffer

            I can’t spend a lot of time on this (Sorry, Mr. Corvus), but will this help? http://www.lifenews.com/2013/03/11/10-eye-opening-quotes-from-planned-parenthood-founder-margaret-sanger/

          • MrCorvus

            Somewhat! I thank you for providing a source that has Sanger’s quotes cited and complete. (The quote involving the “negro population” is the one that is often butchered and taken out of context).

            However, neither of the two quotes mentioned by Dr. Vliet in the article are listed here, and I have yet to be able to find any source for them.

  • Sven2547

    This line of argument completely ignores the agency of black women. It treats them as being incapable of making decisions, as if PP is invading their uteruses against their knowledge or consent.

    This sanctimonious, condescending, ‘I know what’s better for black women than they do’ schtick is the real racism here.

    • Frank

      If people are making the choice to kill their unborn child, not to save to their life, but to ensure their lives will be more convenient and comfortable, they obviously are incapable of making a mature, ethical and moral decision.

      • Maize

        Propaganda is a powerful tool and you are too dense not to recognize it completely controls you and your opinions. Try thinking for a change.

        • Frank

          Oh the irony….

  • mudskipper

    If you value truth and fairness–and I’m not at all sure you do– you would correct the title of this post. 80% of abortions are NOT black abortions. The percentage of black abortions is 37%.

    And if you honor the 9th Commandment–and I’m not at all sure you do–you would include a correction to your guest’s article that states the quotes attributed to Sanger are false.

    • BJ

      The quotes are Margaret Sanger’s own words.

      http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

      • mudskipper

        None of the above quotes appears on that page.

        • Maize

          Your willful ignorance knows no bounds.
          I’m sure you would’ve been a slave owner and/ or a rat for the Nazis had you lived in the past.

  • Chris

    Assuming omniscience; would god put a soul inside a bunch of cells KNOWING it was going to be aborted? If yes: God fails. If not: what’s the problem?

    • Maize

      God put a soul inside of you knowing you are going to die.

  • Chris

    Assuming omniscience; would god put a soul inside a bunch of cells KNOWING it was going to be aborted? If yes: God fails. If not: what’s the problem?

  • Frank

    Yesterday another several thousand innocent unborn children were killed mostly for reason of convenience and comfort. How many more days will we all allow this to happen?

    • Al Johnson
      • Frank

        How cute you use graphics to display your ignorance. Good job!

        We live in a sinful, fallen world where death, disease and disorder occurs. That’s why bad things happen.

        • Al Johnson

          9 Million children under the age of 5 die EVERY year, that is about one thousand an hour, that have already been born. What exactly are you doing about that ?
          Seems to me your priorities are out of balance IF you really care about children .
          Or are you just a forced birther who really doesn’t care about the children, you just want to push your Bronze Age
          ideologies on everyone else ?

          • Frank

            It may be a difficult concept for you to understand but someone can work on different issues at the same time.

            Meanwhile while you deflect another several thousand unborn children were killed yesterday mostly for reasons of convenience and comfort.

          • Al Johnson
          • Frank

            I know, I know… It’s all you have. Very telling indeed.

          • Maize

            Well, obviously your little Sesame Street game fails. The first is an example of an unfertilized chicken’s egg and the second an unfertilized acorn. The third is totally unrelated as it is the output of a silk worm and has no bearing on the other three examples.
            The fourth, if it’s a zygote, is as much a person with all of its DNA intact as you are.

            Perhaps one day you will be in the category of what some lunatic government determines to be inferior persons and we’ll all watch you be conveniently removed as an economic drain on the rest of the necessary humans if, like you, we believe propaganda to be fact.

          • Al Johnson

            Some of the Republican presidential candidates would simply let her die …
            These are the same people who would ban contraception which, of course, would lead to more abortions …
            BYW, “unfertilized acorn” … Really …LOL…LOL…

          • kathyschiffer

            Dear Al, Could we agree that the best way to prevent unwanted pregnancies (and so to prevent the horror of abortion) would be to exercise self-control and to permit the body’s natural functions to say what they are intended to say–that I love you and I give myself fully to you (that is, I am committed to you in a life-long marriage)?

          • Al Johnson

            Absolutely, I agree with you completely, problem is, we don’t live in Utopia and women get raped and some women have major problems with child birth.
            Personally, I would think abortion is a horrible thing to have to go thru . I just don’t like the idea of someone being able to tell someone else what they can and cannot do with their own body.
            On the other hand, it seems crazy to want to ban contraception and abortion and expect women to put an aspirin between their knees because we both know that is not going to happen in the REAL world .
            The big difference in the 2 sides is, one side thinks LIFE begins at conception and the other side thinks that life begins at birth. I doubt the 2 sides will EVER agree or find a middle ground because a middle ground doesn’t exist.
            This is one of the rare things in life that really is black and white …

          • kathyschiffer

            Tell my friend Rebecca Kiessling about that “rape and incest” thing. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/kathyschiffer/2010/11/except-in-cases-of-rape-or-incest/

          • Al Johnson

            Hey, kudos for her mother . That was a very unselfish and brave thing for her to do.
            BUT, I would have a hard time telling someone who was raped , they had to raise that child because , now remember, just MY perception, that every time the mother LOOKS at that child, it COULD remind her of the most awful experience of her life . I wouldn’t condemn someone to do that , but again… Kudos to HER mom .

          • kathyschiffer

            Al, there are couples who are ready to welcome a child through adoption a child if the mother is not prepared to raise him/her. There are crisis pregnancy centers all across America which provide care and assistance for the pregnant woman.
            But an abortion can’t make a woman “un-raped”; it simply inflicts one more violent act upon her, at a time when she needs the help and support of the people who love her.

          • Al Johnson

            I heard that argument last week, so I looked it up …
            Right now, today, there are over 800 thousand babies in orphanages in the U.S. alone who have not been adopted .
            There are plenty of arguments for not having an abortion but sorry, not a good argument to have 800 thousand and ONE in orphanages .
            BTW, not everyone has the help and support and love you speak of … WHAT do they do ?
            I fail to see how you could miss the TRAMA it could inflict on her for a LIFETIME , every time she looks at the child .

          • kathyschiffer

            No, it’s not “black and white.” Science has determined that life begins–the DNA is fully established–at conception. Stubborn and selfish people try to refute the scientific evidence, so they can do as they wish.

            Let me ask you: What if a woman gives birth, then discovers that taking care of a crying baby is a pain in the neck and she really wants to get back to going out to the clubs? Can she kill that child? No–and if she does, she’ll go to jail. Just a few weeks earlier, she can kill it at will because America refuses to admit the truth of the humanity of the very small.

          • Al Johnson

            The fact that YOU don’t think it is not black and white IS the problem .
            IF life begins at conception, why don’t we count them in our national census ?
            How come the IRS will not let us declare they are dependents and take them off our taxes ?
            We don’t charge pregnant moms twice for airline tickets or We don’t charge for 2 too go to the movies .
            // Science has shown that DNA is fully established //
            ??? I don’t know WHY that is an argument.
            I understand that YOU think life begins at conception, but as you see by my examples , a great deal of this country does not .
            And of course, you don’t kill babies, we ALL agree they are breathing …

          • kathyschiffer

            I was born five weeks early. My sister was two months premature. But at that stage of development, you believe that we were not “human”? Pretty insulting, actually.

            Or, you think that the definitive answer as to whether a human being is a “person” is the real estate–whether inside or outside the mother’s body? Tell me that’s not rhetoric masquerading as logic.

          • Al Johnson

            If I came into YOUR yard and took an acorn out, would you call the police ? … Of course not …
            How about if I came into YOUR yard and took a 20 year old Oak tree …
            Size and development DO matter …
            This ENTIRE argument is all about size …

          • Al Johnson

            Catholic nun Sister Joan Chittister sums up pro-lifers’ hypocrisy.

          • Korou

            The best way at to prevent unwanted pregnancies is to provide comprehensive sex education and free contraceptives.

          • Rob B.

            Or, you know, advise people to exercise their free will not to have sex.
            Oh, I forgot, self-control is so passé nowadays…

          • Korou

            Repression of natural and harmless urges, however, is extremely popular in Catholic circles. Exhibit A: the Catholic Church loves gay people – so long as they never love anyone else expect “platonically”.
            Exhibit B: The Church’s firm stance against contraception. Which is ignored by almost every Catholic on the planet.

          • Rob B.

            I wish I could live with total abandon with no consequences, like yourself. Unfortunately, I have a little something called a “conscience,” a nasty little thing that tells me right from wrong.

          • Korou

            Boasting about your conscience doesn’t sound as good coming from a Catholic as it used to, not since the child abuse scandals. For your information, I have a conscience as well. It’s one of the reasons I’m not a Catholic.

            Be that as it may, perhaps you ought to grow something to go with your conscience – say, the intellectual honesty to read what your opponent said and respond to it. Where you got the idea that I live with “total abandon of all consequences” I don’t know – unless it was the Catholic prejudice that anyone who’s not a Christian is a hedonistic sinner.

      • Maize

        IF . . .?
        You are aware that you will die too.
        Did you ever wonder about life itself? Ever wonder about the universe? Ever wonder at all?
        Just remember that scientists create nothing; they only uncover or discover that which already exists and try to explain the intelligibility behind what they find.

        Why do you show a poster that says: “God killed every baby and pregnant woman on earth.” And then concludes: “Abortion is bad, though.”

        Are you demonstrating that you are stating a fact about God?
        Are you concluding that because of the fact about God you cite, that abortion is a “good?”

        Abortion is never good.

        • Al Johnson

          Simply showing you the hypocrisy of your position .
          2 out of 3 recognized pregnancies end in miscarriage .
          Seems to me that your god is a effective abortionist himself.
          He does control everything…doesn’t he ?

          • kathyschiffer

            The cheap shot about evolutionary theory applies to only a small sub-set of fundamentalist believing Christians. Catholics have no problem with evolution–in fact, Catholic scientists have contributed in all fields of scientific endeavor. Pope St. John Paul II, in his encyclical Fides et Ratio (Faith and Reason), called faith and reason “two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_scientists

          • Al Johnson

            You would be correct, the Pope has said that Evolution is true , but I personally know many Christians, whom I don’t consider evangelicals who will not believe it no matter how much evidence is provided .
            Just because the Pope said it, certainly doesn’t mean that ALL Catholics will follow… i.e. The Pope still thinks that condoms are worse that Aids and I believe MOST Catholics practice birth control .
            But take a look at below meme to put in perspective the cherry picking that goes on in the churches …

          • kathyschiffer

            Al, fortunately, the Church established by Jesus Christ doesn’t depend on opinion polls. But really, a combox is not the appropriate forum to learn about the Catholic Church’s consistent teachings. Why don’t you pick up a copy of the Catechism and see for yourself? Or visit a local church, and take your questions to the priest? It would be a privilege to welcome someone with your ardor for truth into the Church which is the repository of Truth.

          • Al Johnson

            I was raised with ” Catholic Guilt”, drummed into me from birth, Catholic schools thru high school. And then I got the idea to actually read ” The Bible” instead of listening to the Nuns and Priests cherry pick the good parts.
            WOW,
            When you read the ENTIRE thing, and I have done it twice, and then you read HOW it was put together and what was left out. One big thing for me was when I discovered that there are NO actual EYEWITNEESES of the resurrected Christ who are authors of the Bible… It’s All word of mouth and hearsay.
            When you hand someone, anyone, a book and declare that this book is the absolute PERFECT word of God, you should really make sure that there is not a bunch of nonsense in that book because once you can PROVE that there is ONLY ONE mistake , the rest of the book becomes suspect. There are so many contradictions in that book , too me , that book is just made up nonsense .

          • kathyschiffer

            Granted, the Bible is not all written in the same way: some books are poetic or allegorical, some are history, some provide life direction. Now that you’ve passed through the portal toward seeking an adult understanding of Faith, keep reading! May I suggest that you round out your understanding of Scripture by reading something by Steve Ray or Scott Hahn on the Early Church Fathers.

          • Al Johnson

            I have read many books written by Christian apologists who write with their rose colored glasses on always trying to spin the impossible .

            I like now to read books written by outside observers , unbiased people who will look at the facts.

            I have a particular problem with Matthew 27

            51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
            We have the writings of about 160 authors, writers and historians of the time and NOT ONE of them even mention all these people coming out of their graves .
            Not one even mention all the miracles that Jesus was supposed to have done .
            Now I know we didn’t have CNN back then, but 160 different people never mention zombies walking around talking to the town folk. Not only did no one else mention them, but not even one of the other Gospels mention it .
            I am sorry, but logic and reason tell me that simply DIDN’T happen …

  • Frank

    Another videos been released. Check it out and share it with everyone. It just gets worse and worse for PP.

  • Korou

    Wow – “Stop repeating lies” – “debunked falsehoods” – “stand up for women’s rights.” The commenters on Seasons of Grace are awesome!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    If God didn’t want women to have abortions, he wouldn’t Spontaneously Abort MILLIONS of “unborn babies” every month!

    God = the world’s #1 abortionist

    .

    • Maize

      Wow. I guess you slept through biology class.