What the ‘Hell’?

This morning I woke up and had four Facebook postings on my wall waiting for me, all from a guy who said following (and yes, these are the actual messages):

“You are a false prophet leading others into hell. Everyone needs to turn away from Andrew Marin now. The Lord is coming and will not have mercy on Andrew’s soul.”

“Andrew Marin is afraid of the truth. He took down a post that I posted on his wall by John MacArthur talking about how to recognize a false prophet. Andrew, you are leading your followers away from Christ and leading them to a life of sin. You cannot claim to be a Christian and preach a false gospel. I encourage all followers of this fraud to flee away from him quickly.”

“As a Christian you have an obligation to defend the faith against false doctrine. Andrew is leading other (so called) Christians astray by telling them it’s ok to be gay. He has also become a false idol for others to worship instead of the Lord. I will not be posting again. I only hope the Lord will have mercy on his soul for his crimes against God.”

[But then he did post again. Funny how that always happens…]

“Even the devil can quote scripture. Andrew Marin is not a Christian and neither of are any of his followers. You promote a homosexual agenda that Christians should accept, when that is clearly contrary to the Bible. Marin either denounces homosexuality or he worships it. The last word, is God’s word.”

And then someone named Matt commented on my blog post that I talked about potentially having cancer by saying:

“Hell is waiting for you.”

So I’m just wondering, where in the world do these people come from? It’s quite interesting because also in my inbox was another message; a message from a lesbian. She said:

“Hey, I wanted to personally thank you for what you are doing. My aunt who was incredibly against my “lifestyle” came home from Lifest after hearing you talk and now understands me a lot better and show a lot of love not only for me but also for my friends. This is a woman who talked to me when I first came out and said I need to change and be straight otherwise I am going to hell. I never thought that she would love me. And I owe it to you. Thank you! And thank you for everything that you do. You are an amazing person.”

I’m not writing all of this to say woe-is-me or pat myself on the back. It’s just crazy to me that so often the first Christian response seems to be ‘hell’ and the first gay response seems to be a respect for helping other Christians see the response is not ‘hell’. So sad.

Much love.

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About Andrew Marin

Andrew Marin is President and Founder of The Marin Foundation (www.themarinfoundation.org). He is author of the award winning book Love Is an Orientation (2009), its interactive DVD curriculum (2011), and recently an academic ebook titled Our Last Option: How a New Approach to Civility can Save the Public Square (2013). Andrew is a regular contributor to a variety of media outlets and frequently lectures at universities around the world. Since 2010 Andrew has been asked by the United Nations to advise their various agencies on issues of bridging opposing worldviews, civic engagement, and theological aspects of reconciliation. For twelve years he lived in the LGBT Boystown neighborhood of Chicago, and is currently based St. Andrews, Scotland, where he is teaching and researching at the University of St. Andrews earning his PhD in Constructive Theology with a focus on the Theology of Culture. Andrew's research centers on the cultural, political, and religious dynamics of reconciliation. Andrew is married to Brenda, and you can find him elsewhere on Twitter (@Andrew_Marin), Facebook (AndrewMarin01), and Instagram (@andrewmarin1).

  • Kevin Harris

    I saw this clip on CNN over the weekend about a billboard that Christ Covenant Church in Beaumont, TX put up calling Christians “A bunch of jerks” to address how the Church has often fallen short with living out our beliefs in a loving and respectful manner.

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/15/texas-billboard-christians-are-jerks/

  • http://annapear.blogspot.com Anna

    Don’t be discouraged. You really are doing good work. Really.
    Keep loving.

  • Angie

    How awful that someone would actually respond to your possible diagnosis by saying “Hell waits for you”! It doesn’t matter what you stand for there will ALWAYS be opposition and personal attacks. Keep following Gods direction and know you ARE making a difference for the kingdom and for the gay community. May you continue to show Christs love to those who are otherwise shunned. Take care Andrew.

  • Eugene

    Hell is other people. :)

  • Eugene

    Just ignore these people, Andrew. They simply aren’t worth your attention.

    Also, I hope it isn’t cancer.

  • http://immersionblogapy.blogspot.com/ Lori

    Andrew, This kind of ignorance is dangerous, but just be encouraged that the anger from religious people is a very clear indication that you are doing the work of God’s kingdom. I’ll leave with one of my favorite quotes to brighten your day.

    “Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” — Martin Luther King Jr.

    Have a blessed day!

  • http://www.boydallen.com Boyd Allen

    Andrew,

    This post grieves me. Not because of what YOU said; because of the responses you have gotten. Be encouraged brother. You, and your work, have been on my heart, in my prayers, and before the Father’s face. Keep loving man…keep loving.

    Much love (back atcha)…

    Boyd

  • http://www.anniebeth.com Annie

    Well, when you’re preaching a message of loving people regardless of differences in opinions/lifestyle choices, etc… of COURSE you’re gonna draw in opportunities to get to practice it! Tricky how it works out that way, huh? :)

    You just keep loving—especially the people who attack you. They’re the ones that need it the most.

    • Nathalie A

      love it annie! love and truth all the way!

      thanks for the reminder

  • Beth

    I think those posters forget that there’s a difference between loving and respecting someone and condoning their lifestyle. We don’t have to condone murderer’s actions but we are still called to love them as God would love them (as fallen children of God). I think they also forget that they were, are, and always will be sinners and that we are all equal under God and will all be judged by God. It’s not for us to judge each other but to love unconditionally.

    Thanks Andrew for all you do! We are using your book as a resource for our class project for my Master’s program at Loyola based on bringing straight allied youth and LGBT youth together to combat violence.

  • http://restoringrob.com Rob Rash

    This is sad. I don’t remember Jesus condemning anyone to hell but certainly implying that the ‘Pharisees’ were often close to it. And why was that? Because they hung on the ‘rules’ and forgot how to love.

    Don’t be discouraged by all of these modern day Pharisees man. Just keep on loving!

    Warm Regards!

  • Patti

    Andrew-
    Thank you for making me a better youth leader, more willing and able to get out of my own way and love others as I am loved by Christ.

    I hope I’m not standing by that guy who posted on judgement day!

  • Sam

    His posts betray extensive religious bigotry and ignorance, not the Spirit of Jesus. If somehow we could get Jesus to write a blog an “How we should treat gay people”, he wouldn’t like Jesus’ comments either and would probably condemn Him to hell also. Actually, all my copies of the Bible do include lots of things Jesus had to say on how we should treat all people, so I guess Jesus doesn’t need to write a blog. We just need to read what He already said, which apparently this fellow did not.

    Religious people can say the ugliest, craziest stuff, but that doesn’t make it true. It just tells us who they are.

  • steph

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhX7m3rF20c

    The Fire (FULL) by Nate Pfeil. i encourage you to watch this.

    Also, In response to Beth. You said, “It’s not for us to judge each other but to love unconditionally.”
    In John 6:24 Jesus says, “Stop judging according to outward appearances; rather judge according to righteous judgement”

    • Thunder-Dan

      Please don’t watch this video unless you want to receive Jesus’ good news with a gun to your head, or feel like a piece of crap for not being “good” enough (or dare I say as good as the guy on the video).

  • Lindsay

    This is upsetting in ways that I can’t express. I’m sorry that this is the reception you get. How fortunate a man that can know for certain where other people’s souls will go…. Can someone please show me the false in this “false prophet”? I’m very disturbed. On a side note- as for the aunt of the lesbian woman- how is it that worrying your niece was going to hell a good cause to throw her out of your life? If you truly believed that, what? You just decide to be done with her? I know she has changed her mind, but I guess I ask that in place of so many people who still feel that way about their family members who do any number of things they perceive to be “sin”…this just hurts my heart.

  • Brent

    If you’re going to hell for what you are doing, then I’ll see you there!

  • Amy

    This calls to mind John Shore’s post today, “Thank God for Hell.” I think you’ll both enjoy and draw encouragement from it, Andrew.

  • Sharon Beck

    There is a thin line between the rigid fundamentalist and schizophrenia…

  • Br. Michael

    From an Ex-Drama Queen, I apologies. Drama Queens have a vile rotten harvest, create drama, and try to cause fear. Pay them no mind. Fear nothing, because God is in control… I pray we remember Matthew 25. Amen!

  • John Dao

    Oh there are tons of ways to tell a false prophet!
    False prophet checklist:
    From the Didache:
    Do you preach a gospel other than the one Christ preached?
    Do you stay more than three days at a persons home while travelling?
    Do you ask for money selfishly (not for other’s sake who are in need)?
    Do you order a meal in the Spirit and do not eat it?
    And the big one: Do you do as you teach?
    From 2 Peter 2:
    Do you make up stories to gain shameless in your greed?
    Do you slander the Lord boldly?
    Do you mouth empty words by appealing to lustful desires of sinful human nature?
    Are you a slave to depravity, yet promise others freedom?
    From Titus 1: 10-16
    Do you teach things you shouldn’t teach for dishonest gain?
    Do your actions deny Christ?
    From Matthew 7:15
    Are you inwardly a ravenous wolf pretending to be a sheep?
    Do you produce bad fruits? (I think you answered this in your post)

    If you answered “Yes” to any of these questions, you might be a false prophet.

  • John Dao

    Also (sorry for the double post), the “Christian” response isn’t condemnation to Hell. The Parable of the Unmerciful Servant comes to mind. “Christians” who push “Turn or burn” philosophy are just fooling themselves. This is not what our Lord has taught us to do, nor is it what he prayed for in John 17. We don’t convert people (if you read Acts, it is clear that it is GOD who adds to their number daily, not Peter or Paul), we merely present an “alternative lifestyle” thats been tried and proven through the generations to give abundant life now and eternally.

  • Heidi Miller

    Sometimes you have to just laugh at craziness like that. So preposterous! What you are doing is changing hearts, souls, and lives. You point people towards Christ in a new and amazing way. Forerunners always have the unenjoyable task of blazing the way. I’d say you do this hard work with quite a lot of grace. Blessings blessings blessings to you to outweigh and overpower the curses some pronounce. We serve a God that is bigger! Be encouraged…never stop!

  • http://gifteddreamers.blogspot.com kristine

    You are on the right path. Eternal life begins here and now and it’s knowing God. You sir, seem to be good buds with that One. I’d say you’re already in heaven and those voices yelling at you are those across the chasm who are dying of thirst for lack of living water. Keep up the love brother!

  • pm

    It’s disturbing to become the recipient and therefore target of such disrespect. This form of condemnation usually shuts down dialogue.

    The fact that it is totally OK in the mind of the sender where he/she is functioning under the delusion of ‘serving God’ escallates the matter into a scriptual level of prophetic warning from Christ.

    John 16:1-2 & 26-27 NASB
    “These things I have spoken to you so that you may be kept from stumbling. [2] They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God. [3] These things they will do because they have not known the Father or Me. [26] In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I will request of the Father on your behalf; [27] for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came forth from the Father.”

    Continuing the culture war and escallating it will not end well. These four verses seem to confer the highest level of our heavenly interaction as a function of how we love. These words help us identify who is bearing the fruit of love and is loved by the Father.

  • James Wages

    Those comments sounds like they could have come from one of my brothers… I’ve definitely had those same things said to me. Thankfully we don’t have to put our trust in ourselves, but in Jesus. He’s given me a peace beyond understand and I’m so thankful for that.

  • Kara

    I don’t say this sarcastically or with anything but sympathy and understanding… Welcome to the club, man. It never fails to boggle my mind how willing some are to tell gay people – or people who don’t hate them sufficiently – that they’re going to hell.

  • http://carleton1958.xanga.com/ Jeff S.

    Andrew, keep doing what you’re doing as long as you have your eyes on the Lord and your heart stays filled with compassion for the hurting. Much love to you, brother,

  • Tess

    I’m a Christian with a brain, and I will still support you and your life mission. You’re proclaiming freedom for the captives, and I wholeheartedly believe Jesus would applaud your efforts.


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