If We Are Serious about Religious Liberty

We will protest the (third!) act of arson against a mosque in Joplin, MO.  Glenn Greenwald, one of only honest people on the Left takes a hard look at the rise in violent criminal acts aimed at Muslims in the US.  We cannot expect religious liberty for ourselves as Christians and sit idly by while it is denied to others.

  • rachel

    Exactly. Thank you for mentioning this.

  • http://peace Puck

    Completely agree. In fact – in the upcoming battle for religious liberty – Christians should likely find Muslims to be a very convenient ally – and we need to start treating them as such. The Left will have a hard time fighting back when Islamic schools rise up against government interference.

    The media needs a constant supply of yahoos going down to Mosques in Tennessee and burning Korans – that will help them to spin the story as a battle between Christians and Islam – rather than a battle between all Americans of faith vs. the State.

  • Kirt Higdon

    The US government has been killing Moslems 24/7 since the 9/11 attacks and shows no signs of stopping. Yet these people have not yet been beaten into submission to “our values” (contraception, pornography, feminism, sodomy, etc.). Worse yet, the US is bankrupting itself in the attempt. So frustrated Americans try to take it out on local Moslems. I was talking this morning with a deacon at my church who was concerned about sharia law being imposed on the US. I pointed out to him that sharia would in some ways be an improvement over what we have now; for example, it forbids abortion.

    • Sal

      Us gals will pass, Kirt. Not really interested in being half a human.

      • Jill

        Ditto. I’m kind of a fan of being able to get an education and a job, and being legally allowed to drive. Not dying for heat stroke from having to wear 50 pounds of black fabric in the summer in Phoenix is also nice. (Though I suppose it could be argued that if I’m not allowed to go outside, that wouldn’t be an issue.)

    • http://davidgriffey.blogspot.com/ Dave G.

      How many Muslims have been killed in the US by US citizens since 9/11? I’m curious since I’ve heard this for the last 10 years, but haven’t been able to find actual numbers. If there are some links or something.

      • Confederate Papist

        It’s been going on longer than 9/11….

        Just sayin.

        I don’t like the fact that there are jack-legs out there burning Mosques….it’s not what our Lord and our Church teaches. I do admire the faithfulness of the Muzzies, but I also reserve the right to be wary of them too.

        • Confederate Papist

          Just as I am wary of other Christian religions…by the way.

      • ivan_the_mad

        Since you’re the one asking a question to which Kirt didn’t speak, maybe you’d be better off answering it yourself.

        • http://davidgriffey.blogspot.com/ Dave G.

          I just thought he might have link or something. Since he brought up the whole idea of concern about sharia law on the part of some, and the US’s killing of Muslims, I thought he might have a link about any violence in America by American citizens. I’ve been curious about it since it seems to be something hanging over the post-9/11 US, but I never can find any stats. And since the article itself is addressing actual violence being done to Muslims in the form of arson, rather than any geopolitical policies by the US government, I thought it would be helpful to see if there are some figures to look at the overall picture.

          • ivan_the_mad

            So now you want a citation ;)

            • http://davidgriffey.blogspot.com/ Dave G.

              Ouch. We have a burn.

              • ivan_the_mad

                Ha! Doubtless we’ll get some mileage out of that spat.

    • Rosemarie

      +J.M.J+

      >> I pointed out to him that sharia would in some ways be an improvement over what we have now; for example, it forbids abortion.

      Though it permits polygamy, easy divorce for the husband at least (talaq), and slavery, among other undesirable things. Also, under sharia, we Christians would be second class citizens who have to pay taxes for the privilege of residing in the Muslim state. But if one converts to Islam (wink, wink) one won’t have to pay this tax. The upshot in Muslim countries is that poor Christians end up converting, leaving only wealthy Christians who can afford the tax.

      Overall that would not be an improvement.

      Moreover, Islam does not have a blanket prohibition against abortion like the Church. Before the fetus is four months old, it is just considered a clot of tissue without a soul. So abortion may be considered permissible that early on for a justifiable reason, such as rape or incest. At worst, some Muslim jurists would still consider it a sin but not punishable; there would be no criminal or civil penalty against it. After 120 days, abortion would generally be forbidden except to save the life of the mother, for Muslims believe that her life takes precedence over that of her child. So even under sharia abortion wouldn’t necessarily be totally forbidden.

      • JoFro

        Thank you making that clear – there is absolutely no way Sharia would in some ways be an improvement over what we have now – in fact I see it as being even worse, primarily because it can be interpreted to the whims of the local Imam.

        The Muslims once had a Caliph – the Sunnis at least but they don’t now and the interpretation of the Sharia depends on which school of Islamic thought is running ure local mosque

    • Joshua Mincher

      It’s true that John Paul II collaborated well at that Cairo conference, with Muslims, against the culture of death. It is true that the antichrist State we have is at war with all faiths. However, there is much more possibility for a conceivable ‘end game’ of society with other Christian sects, with Jews, and even pagans, as we all have a belief in the natural law. Sharia law is not the natural law, and leaves little or no area for pluralism.

    • ajesquire

      Kirt, you should be be more worried that you apparently have a wingnut imbecile for a Deacon. I realize that Faith is the Belief in Things Unseen. But when no serious legislator, judge or executive is even suggesting institution Sharia law, you’re dealing with straight-out delusions.

    • kenneth

      I’d be willing to bet my last dime that the people attacking mosque are not Planned Parenthood types, pornographers, feminists gays, secularists or any of the other undesirable sorts you envision as Islam and Christianity’s shared enemies.

      • Mark Shea

        Bigoted Fundamentalists and Klan types are also enemies of the Church. You do know that, don’t you?

        Wise of you to have fled that conversation with YOS and gotten back to your forte of randomly heckling Catholics. When your own position has been so thoroughly demolished its best to stick to your strengths.

  • EBS

    It is in the Muslim faith to “Aslim” the land. Which means buy up land to make it Muslim ground.
    You must protest this.
    Same thing happened 15 minutes from where I live. The Muslim community won and are building a Muslim school there now also. And there aren’t many muslims that live in that area!!?!
    Don’t equate Islamic religious liberty with Christian religious liberty. Islam doesn’t desire the non-Muslim, especially the Christian to be an ally.
    I know it’s very difficult thinking like this considering the current political climate, but rather find an ally in the Baptist, the Protestant, the Orthodox. Please not the Muslim.
    Although I extend respect to my fellow man, I do not trust his faith.

    • http://ohnimus.wordpress.com Christian Ohnimus

      I will never protest Muslims buying land in America no matter what their intent. To oppose that would be to oppose their property rights. I may refuse to sell my land to Muslims and I will certainly oppose any kind of special treatment from our government to Muslims (as I oppose special treatment of any group by the law) but I will recognize and respect them for what they are: human beings and therefore our brothers and sisters in Christ. They have the same exact rights as you and I and when I defend those rights I sure as hell will defend them for everyone, Muslims included. I remember watching a “documentary” called The Third Jihad which warned of Muslims trying to impose Sharia Law on Americans through an evil scheme to “vote for” and “elect” Muslim extremists to places of political power in the United States. This “documentary” implied that it was the patriotic duty of truly true Americans to block these Muslims from participating in our democratic process, all in the name of “protecting our liberties” from the fascist Muslims. There are Muslim fascists, even here in the US, but the threat they pose is small compared to the threat that we pose to ourselves. By rationalizing away the religious liberty of Muslims we open up the door for our government to take away everyone’s freedoms. We are already far down that road. We see it today as Catholic “extremists” are forced to pay for other people’s birth control; this is rationalized by labeling us right-wing fascists who hate women just for practicing our freedoms. Ironically it is the same label given to the very Muslims that the propaganda machine has declared that we as Christians must oppose with violence and draconian measures. Now we are feeling the sting of those very same abuses.

      You don’t trust Islam. Neither do I, but I would die to protect the rights of the people who practice it in this country. I will defend everyone’s rights the same but what I won’t do is defend some rights for some people.

      • Confederate Papist

        They said that about 60 years ago about communists and look where we are now.

        Don’t tell me this is a free country because it’s not.

        • A Philosopher

          They said that about 60 years ago about communists and look where we are now.

          Um, with no substantial Communist presence in American politics, and with Communist political influence globally vastly diminished?

        • http://ohnimus.wordpress.com Christian Ohnimus

          Did I say we live in a free country? I’ll be the first to declare our current political system an oligarchy. Its only through defending only some of the rights of some people that such a state of enduring slavery is met. Treating muslims differently under the law, by denying their property rights for example, does nothing to reverse that process, in fact, it contributes to it. A truly free society can only exist when everyone in it is free.

      • EBS

        The Islamic spread today is not like it was in the Crusades- “Be Muslim or we kill you!” (although it still exists in some parts of the world). The spread is through numbers (having lots of wives and lots of children). And through natural attrition- this includes buying land, marrying the non-muslim. It’s very subtle.
        I’ll give you just a very small example. Just the other day, a tradesman who fitted our desk and bookshelves in our study, had a young worker with him who was Muslim Lebanese- moderate- who is one of 18 children. Different mothers. And I’m talking in Sydney Australia where it’s illegal to have more than one wife.
        So you can beleive what you want in your above statement. But just remember this about modern day “moderate” Islam.

    • Will

      So, I guess by your reasoning we should oppose Moslems building anything anywhere. And I guess the same reasoning applies to any other “furrin” religions. Only Christians and Jews have any business building houses of worship in this country…. NOT.

      • EBS

        It’s not politically correct but “yes” oppose it! Do you think there are any Churches in Saudi Arabia? I’m sick of naive free libertarianism supporting the “minority” then thumbing their nose at the citizens of that country. The USA is a Christian country founded on Christian principles. You won’t have a democracy left if you make it a free for all.
        Whoever comes to America should adopt the American way of life. Ill say this proudly as a daughter of immigrant parents who did exactly that, who love their adopted country! Scroll down to my comments below. I’m not a male red-necked Westerner. I’m a Christian Lebanese Female of immigrant parents.
        But remember this, opposition should obviously be in the form of strong decisive opposition, conducted in a peaceful Christian way. Not arson attacks!

      • EBS

        Oppose the spread of religious institutions and the building of schools and other musliminstitutions (not that Muslims run charities or anything…..oooooh, so controversial of me).
        But you can not stop a muslim man, US citizen, buying a house for his wife (one wife) and kids. No I agree, you can’t do that.
        But like it was said before stop the spread through political and so -called libertarian justifications because you will have sooooo many social issues to deal with later on. A great number (not all) rely on social welfare (as a general), as we experience in Australia and European countries have experienced.
        It’s got to be maintained that the USA is a free Christian nation (which is why many Muslims find US so appealing), and they must accept this and assimilate (learn the language, work, pay taxes, not have 3 wives, and teach their kids to respect the country).
        Is that so unreasonable to expect?
        Btw, it baffles me why the US stands up for the right of the Muslim man, but wants to send the Mexican (a Christan), back to where he came from. They are Christians. And they work hard.

  • EBS

    Btw, when I say “protest” I mean peaceful but decisive and strong opposition. Not arson attacks. Thought Id make that clear incase someone thought otherwise by my comment.
    God Bless

  • JB

    Shortly after I had lived for five years in Communist China where ALL religions (other than the cult of Communism) are suppressed and persecuted, I enjoyed a few weeks in Java, Indonesia, a majority Muslim country, where I ENJOYED hearing the Muslim muezzins praying to God (Al Lah simply means “THE God”) in public on loudspeakers, five times a day, while I also saw Catholic nuns walking in public in full habit, as they are not permitted to do in China.

    • Joseph H. M. Ortiz

      JB’s anecdotes in his two comments between which this one of mine is sandwiched, as well as what I’ve heard from Catholic priests who have seen it — that ordinary Muslims in Pakistan have on occasion offered their homes to hide their Catholic neighbors until some fanatic imam’s rabble-rousing blew over, and that some Muslim women honor certain Marian shrines in Palestine — lead to hope that some Muslim immigrants to Europe and to the Americas will be open to Christianity in ways they are not in countries dominated by Sharia law.

  • JB

    EBS wrote above:

    “Don’t equate Islamic religious liberty with Christian religious liberty. Islam doesn’t desire the non-Muslim, especially the Christian to be an ally.”

    Well I agree with that around 70 percent. You’re more correct than not. However, may I ask, how many Muslims have you personally met, and from how many different countries and/or varieties of Islam?

    As per my above comment, I’m thinking particularly of Indonesian Muslims, the majority in one of the largest population nations in the world, Indonesia is around 150 million and around 90 percent Muslim. More than all Arabs put together ;-) And then there are the Turks etc, in other words a reminder that most Muslims are not Arabs – yes my point being that Arab culture IS especially barbaric, but it’s not identical with Islam.

    A vignette of my conversation with a Malaysian-born Muslim in Australia a few years ago: At his cafe, over some coffee and (contraband) Javanese clove cigarettes, he confided to me: “I believe in God, yes, but I have to say I’m a Muslim because I’m expected to, my family and friends would disown me if I were not Muslim. But in my country, many of us don’t really believe in Islam. We believe in God, but not Muhammed. But for most of us, if we say we’re not Muslim then we lose our family and friends. Can you understand?”

    I said “Yes I understand.” He gave me another clove cigarette and we talked longer into the night. A dark-skinned friend of his – apparently African – joined us and he embraced him and addressed him as “Brother”, and introduced me to him as “Our Christian Brother”, and then the African Muslim embraced me too.

    • EBS

      I am of Lebanese background, but Australian by birth. I’m Christian. We grew up with Muslim family friends. I have Indonesian, Iranian aswell as Arab friends. Some muslim, some not. It doesn’t mean I trust their faith. Humans, all humans have a good side, but the Muslim faith is very specific about spreading, and very specific how it spreads. From experience, the Muslim will be your friend and extend hospitality, but at the end of the day will put his me Muslim enemy before his good non-Muslim freind. It’s what their religion tells them.

      • JoFro

        I have a similar view having lived in the Middle East – it is a funny thing that most people I know in the West actually refuse to believe me when I tell them how Islam works and what it will mean for non-Muslims.

        They refuse or talk about how Christianity did the same or how all religions are the same and whatnot…they don’t seem to realise that at its fundamental level, Islam is not just like Christianity or other religions, but rather a political system masquerading as a religion.

        And here is the gist – at the end of the day, how the Arabs intepret Islam will always be seen as the superior view because Islam and Arab supremacy go hand in hand…so its irrelevant how Indonesians and the Turks live out their Islam – as far as the Arab view goes, the Indonesians are still living out their pre-Islamic Hindu delusions and the Turks are the ones that got rid of the Caliphate – so why should their view of Islamc intepretation be seen as relevant?

        • Jamie R

          Exactly. How is the most populous Muslim country relevant to Islam?

    • Sal

      “But we lose our families and friends”.
      Well, so do a lot of us when we convert to Christianity, especially Catholicism. And yet we do it anyway. I truly sympathize with the emotions, but not the actions.
      If all the Muslim (but not really) people acted on their actual beliefs, what kind of change could we see?

  • Kirt Higdon

    I referred to the US government killing Moslems 24/7 and obviously that is taking place in foreign countries. But it is impossible for the US to follow this policy on a permanent basis year in and year out without teaching Americans that killing Moslems is desirable. As to how many have been killed inside the US, I don’t know, but I think probably fewer than the number of Sikhs killed who were mistaken for Moslems. Burning or vandalism of mosques is fairly routine. I read of that on almost a weekly basis. I’ve worked and associated with many Moslems, mostly of Middle Eastern background. All were very congenial and one actually converted to Eastern Orthodox Christianity upon marrying an Arab Christian lady from Syria. I’d recommend that any Christian read a book called Between Allah and Jesus: What Christians can learn from Moslems by Thomistic philosopher/theologian Peter Kreeft. In the form of dialogues, he shows what is admirable about Islam and what must be rejected.

    • http://davidgriffey.blogspot.com/ Dave G.

      I guess I’m just not seeing it, not to that extent. In our neck of the woods, after 9/11, there was some vandalism and some anti-Muslim/anti-Arabic graffiti. But that’s been about it. There have been occasional acts since then, but there have been churches burned and synagogues vandalized just as often. Heck, the only religious individual killed in our area in the last 10 years was a Catholic priest who was murdered outside his parish. Now, for the record, I also dealt with individuals from the Islamic world – both non-Muslims who were missionaries, and those who were simply from Islamic lands. The pictures they painted of the Islamic world varied, as can be expected. But nowhere were they flowery ‘all they are saying is give peace a chance’ portraits, including a dear friend of mine who was kidnapped in Yemen back in the early 90s.

      As for the 24/7 slaughtering by our troops, I would like to see some stats. I think the number of Muslims we are said to have killed is approaching the millions. And yet, I would like to see how many we’ve killed versus how many were killed by other Muslims and Islamic terrorists who were killing in the midst of the conflicts.

      Am I saying there are never, ever any attacks on Muslims in America? Of course not. There are over 300 million Americans. There are bound to be a few. Just like there are a few willing to attack Jews, Catholics, Evangelicals, Atheists, or whatever. But in America, what do I have to fear? Very little. And truth be told, despite a recent rash of arsons, most Muslims living in the US have little to fear as well. And that, in itself, speaks volumes.

      • Kirt Higdon

        Certainly US troops kill Moslems on a daily basis in Afghanistan and frequently in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. Then there were the hundreds of thousands of Moslems killed during the temporary conquest of Iraq and by some estimates 20 or 30 thousand killed during the bombing campaign agains Libya. The ongoing and tightening sanctions against Iran, according to some estimates, will kill tens to hundreds of thousands. Of course, pre-war sanctions against Iraq killed an estimated 500,000 Iraqi children, a result that US Secretary of State Madeline Albright said was “worth it”. (As Confederate Papist points out, this didn’t all start with 9/11. ) As to how many Moslems have been killed by other Moslems, certainly a lot, but how is that relevant? Is the US in some kind of contest with terrorist organizations to see who can kill the most?

        I agree that most Moslems in this country are in no great danger of physical attack and neither is anyone else. I’ve always spoken against the climate of fear peddled by the ruling establishment. But a good part of that climate of fear is fear of Moslems, both externally and internally. And yes that does lead to vandalism and physical attacks. These are not very frequent or severe, but it’s part of our job as Christians to see that they don’t become so. This is more difficult when the US maintains a de-facto on-going war against large and ever expanding parts of the Moslem world.

        • http://davidgriffey.blogspot.com/ Dave G.

          Well yeah. 9/11 did actually mean something. Naturally. Now, as for those figures of endless tens of thousands killed by and because of Americans, I wouldn’t mind parsing those numbers. Just how many did we kill? How many were killed by other countries. Is the US the only country involved in these matters? Were other Muslim groups also responsible? After all, for all the figures of tens or hundreds of thousands killed, according to the reports as they happened, it seemed that much of the carnage was at the hands of Muslim operatives. As for those enemies of the state who were justly killed because they were about planning and orchestrating the deaths of Americans, that’s war. That would be like saying the US was at fault for killing thousands of German soldiers in our war against Nazi Germany.

          For the record, I’m not one who thinks that if the US just got flushed down the toilet, Jesus could retire because there would be no more sin in the world. Nor do I believe that the world has ever and always been on the verge of a Messianic age but for the pesky meddling of the US. Not that the US hasn’t done wrong, or ended up doing wrong. Of course not. It’s a government. Filled with people. What government or nation or culture or civilization hasn’t had its share over the years. But nonetheless, while being fine with admitting its sins, I would like to see just what those sins were, and which ones were actually the result of the US, before I go and assume the absolute worst and meanest possible interpretation of events. And yes, I’m also tired of the constant stream of war-as-default-solution that we seem to have embarked on.

          But again, I’m OK with seeing where the US has failed or done wrong. I simply try to be careful to make sure the facts and figures match the crime. That comes from being a Catholic who tries to convince people that all the stories about kiddie rape fests and corrupt and abusive cover ups in the Vatican are often exaggerated. If it’s good for the goose after all.

          • Sal

            Since I don’t hear about mosques being vandalized routinely, I looked up number of incidents. According to the ACLU site:
            21 states had no anti-mosque activity
            16 states had 1-2 incidents
            7 states had 3-4
            6 states had 5 or more
            These are cumulative stats- not just for 2011. For instance, my home state (5 or more) included incidents back to 2006.
            So, yes- one’s too many. But Dave G. is right about ginning up numbers.

            • Kirt Higdon

              The ACLU missed an incident in my home town of a gunshot fired at a mosque. This happened in Corpus Christi and was not on their Texas list. They’ve probably missed other instances as well. Now there have certainly been instances of church vandalism in Corpus Christi, including to my own, but there are scores, maybe hundreds of churches here and only one mosque. I’m not saying this is a big problem and neither did Mark. He did say that if we are serious about religious liberty, we should protest attacks on Moslems and mosques. A lot of the replies here seem dedicated to minimizing the importance of these or building even more distrust of and hostility toward Moslems.

  • Shawna Mathieu

    I was going to the University of Oklahoma in 1995 when the Murrah Building was bombed 30 miles away. We had a sizable Muslim population on campus that never did a damn thing to anyone, and ranged from extremely devout, to rather slack (one Jordanian student grew his hair out and got into thrash metal). Best line on modesty in dress I got from a Pakistani woman there, who said she wore hijab so people didn’t interact wtih her because of her hair or her body, but because she was intelligent and could complete a sentence.
    In the town of Norman, where OU is located, the local Muslim student union started getting harassed constantly, eggs thrown at it, rocks thrown at students going there, etc. One student married couple who were Muslim got dead cats and stuff sprayed on their walls. She was pregnant. The stress made her lose the baby. And then we learned a white man did it, and everyone pretended like we hadn’t just people act like Nazis.
    And it goes on today. My husband was hurt trying to apprehend a shoplifter at the corner store he worked at. The guy who gave him a concussion and 12 staples in his scalp didn’t even spend a night in jail. When his boss called the police to complain, he was told, “Go back where you came from if you don’t like it!” My husband’s boss had fled Iran when Khomeni took over, had nothing when he got here, and by the time we knew him, was making enough money to put all of his kids through Ivy League schools, and that’s what the police told him, The mayor’s office didn’t believe him when he tried to sue for discrimination.

  • Marion (Mael Muire)

    “Go back where you came from if you don’t like it!”

    That’s the exact same thing as the police getting down on their knees and begging the members of the Iranian community to create and put their faith in an Iranian-American “protection” syndicate organized by a few of their own. Like the scenes from a hundred years ago depicted in The Godfather, when Italian immigrants weren’t respected by Americans already here, and corrupt tough guys emerged among the neighborhoods to take care of the people when the police wouldn’t.

    Not healthy in a democracy.

    • Irenist

      Brilliant point.

  • Mark

    “And they call me an assassin. What do you call it when the assassins accuse the assassin?”
    Colonel Walter E. Kurtz

    Consider the alternative.

    While it would be nice to believe that we could all go about our business, leave them be and carry on in ignorance. The reality is that there would be much weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth, on both sides were we to pull out of the wars we are currently involved in.

    • Mark Shea

      All 75 of them? And all 120 countries in which our military is based? I submit that this quiescence to Empire is folly.

  • suburbanbanshee

    Nobody has mentioned that most violent acts perpetrated on Muslim houses of worship, everywhere in the world, are committed by other Muslims of different sects or schools. For example, Ahmadis are persecuted by pretty much every sect, the Shi’ites and Sunni frequently go after each other, and Muslim women doing what’s normal back where their folks come from get harassed, threatened, and even locked out of US mosques by men from areas where the customs are different. Many mosques in the US are battlegrounds of the various traditions and customs. Our local mosque had a big fight when new immigrants with Saudi funding came in and took over the mosque, even installing their own new leader and getting rid of the folks who built the place. All Muslims are brothers and sisters, except when they’re not; and burning down a mosque sounds like exactly the sort of shenanigans that might ensue.

    • Kirt Higdon

      So is this a reason why attacks on Moslems or mosques should be ignored? Should attacks on Christian churches by other Christians, such as those carried out in the past by the KKK also have been ignored?

  • David Davies

    I am in favor of enforcing laws against arson. Doesn’t matter to me if you are burning a mosque, a church, or a dry-cleaning shop. I don’t care whether it belongs to a communist or a KKK member. It is their property and they have a right to enjoy it in safety. Arson is illegal and a danger to the community. I don’t care about the motivations of the arsonist except that they might be useful in his apprehension. And it also doesn’t matter that I consider Islam to be a political project masquerading as a religion and think that it’s adherents should be considered advocates of sedition. It’s still their property.

  • Richard Johnson

    http://harvardhumanist.org/2012/08/08/memorial-service-for-sikh-gurdwara-shooting/

    “This coming Sunday, August 12 we’ll visit Gurdwara Guru Nanak Darbar in Medford, MA to participate in a service commemorating the shooting victims of Sunday’s horrific attack on the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin. Please join us in learning about the Sikh community and in pledging our solidarity with the greater Sikh and Muslim communities. We’ll be meeting at the Humanist Community Center at 12 Eliot St. Cambridge, MA at 10:30 AM and carpooling from there. (The address is 226 Mystic Ave. Medford, MA.) We need drivers, so if you have a car and are willing to drive people, please contact Chris Stedman at cdstedman@gmail.com. You can also use public transportation to get there – click here for more information.”

  • Richard Johnson

    //harvardhumanist.org/2012/08/08/memorial-service-for-sikh-gurdwara-shooting/

    “This coming Sunday, August 12 we’ll visit Gurdwara Guru Nanak Darbar in Medford, MA to participate in a service commemorating the shooting victims of Sunday’s horrific attack on the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin. Please join us in learning about the Sikh community and in pledging our solidarity with the greater Sikh and Muslim communities. We’ll be meeting at the Humanist Community Center at 12 Eliot St. Cambridge, MA at 10:30 AM and carpooling from there. (The address is 226 Mystic Ave. Medford, MA.) We need drivers, so if you have a car and are willing to drive people, please contact Chris Stedman at cdstedman@gmail.com. You can also use public transportation to get there – click here for more information.”

  • Richard Johnson

    Another bit of positive news surrounding the Joplin Mosque incident…an online fundraising effort has seen tremendous success in the short time it has been open. Over $300,000 has been raised to help the Muslim community rebuild their mosque.

    //www.indiegogo.com/joplinmosqueofficial

  • Richard Johnson

    Another religious group helping victims of the two recent tragedies.

    //www.circlesanctuary.org/ministries/interfaith/sikh_temple/

  • Ted Seeber

    I actually had somebody in my normally rather left-leaning parish reject a religious liberty yard sign because he “did not believe in religious liberty anymore after 9-11″- and then went on to specifically mention Islam.


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