Being a Jerk…

…does not depend on your religion

or lack thereof.

Photo: A group of atheists stiff a waitress in Chicago because she told them to have a blessed day....

  • frenchcookingmama

    To be kind of crude, who p****d in that second person’s cornflakes? Smile when someone says “blessed” anything and go about your day. How hard is that?

    • Andy, Bad Person

      Did he just spend $150 on dinner and refuse a tip? Does “KM” stand for a $50 kid’s meal?

      But yeah, both of these people are jerks for different reasons.

  • Andrew O’Brien

    I don’t know. That second one looks a bit photo-shopped to me.

    • Andy, Bad Person

      I thought the same thing. The handwriting is too perfect.

      • frenchcookingmama

        Looking at it again – you’re probably right.

  • victor

    Failure to tip is — at least in this country — denying a worker of their living wage (whether or not you get them fired afterwards). I hope the Pastor recognizes that.

    • Andy, Bad Person

      I would say it’s case-by-case on that one. Someone who works at an upscale restaurant is not having their living wage destroyed by a failure to tip. Your local small-scale waiter/waitress? I’d agree.

      Then again, I’m a proponent of eliminating the tip system all together and just paying the wait staff a living wage to begin with. I’m willing to pay more for a meal for that.

      • Stu

        Alternatively, a good waiter working on tips does very well. I’ve got a large family and I can say that if we get even a B+ waitress or waiter then I tip very well for the effort. I don’t think it takes much to really get a good tip.

  • Sherry

    Perhaps the right answer would be to give God more, rather than the waitress…less.

  • Mercury

    Of course only the actions of the first one create scandal and make it that much harder for some people to accept Christ. That woman actually may be responsible for turning people away from God.

    As for not tipping – Victor is right. If done out of ignorance, whatever, but deliberately not tipping is without a doubt denying a worker wages for his services, much like not paying someone who provides any other service.

    I have worked in the American restaurant industry for years, and seen how it works in other countries. I personally think we have the best system, and I enjoy the idea of the guest paying the server directly. But some people are real, real jerks.

    I anyone is ignorant of the fact that restaurant servers depend on tips, please start tipping decently.

  • dpt

    “As for not tipping – Victor is right. If done out of ignorance, whatever, but deliberately not tipping is without a doubt denying a worker wages for his service.”

    My understanding is the the gov’t assumes the wait staff receives a certain % of tip and is thus taxed on it, even though the waiter/waitress was stiffed.

    • Margaret Catherine

      Tips on credit cards are calculated and taxed accordingly; tips on cash checks are assumed to be at least 10%. Even if the second example is real, the server would not be out anything in taxes…but would be out a few dollars in “tip-share”: the money, based on total sales and not on tips, that is paid to the bartenders, hostesses, and bussers.

      • Margaret Catherine

        And in the first example, “Pastor Alois Bell” still paid the tip, rude note or not.

        • Dan Berger

          That turns out not to be the case. If you look carefully at Bell’s credit card tab, $34.93 is the tab exclusive of gratuity; the automatic gratuity ($6.29) is crossed out and the total written in as $34.93.
          I’ve been a waiter. You run your legs off for parties of more than four or five, because you have to get everybody their food at the same time and you can’t fit that many meals on one tray. Yet large parties are more likely to stiff you. That’s why there’s an enforced gratuity on large parties.

      • dpt

        That clarifies it. thanks

      • dpt

        So a patron who pays by credit card can save the waiter some in taxes by writing zero on the tip line, but then leaving the tip in cash?

        • Adolfo

          That is correct and is often what my wife and I do when we eat out.

        • Dan Berger

          Yes, that’s acceptable. But I doubt very much that Bell did that, given (a) the tone of the note and (b) the fact that the waitress was aggrieved enough to post it on Reddit.

  • Stu
  • Ye Olde Statistician

    In the comments, some people pledge to never eat at Applebee’s again. This compounds the injustice, since the restaurants are owned by franchisers and they are likely boycotting a franchiser who had no say in the firing of the waitress. Thus we have more than a trifecta!
    1. The pastor of the sect, who acted like a jerk in stiffing the waitress.
    2. The waitress, who acted like a jerk in posting the bill on the internet.
    3. The Applebee’s franchiser, who acted like a jerk in firing the waitress.
    4. The commentators, who promised to act like jerks by boycotting other franchisers entirely innocent in this kerfuffle.
    In physics, this is known as the Law of Conservation of Jerkiness, and is expressed as a function of the third derivative of position over time. We’re lucky this stopped short of escalation into World War III. Obviously, the waitress had a beef with the pastor and the pastor had a beef with the waitress and the restaurant, the restaurant manager had a beef with the waitress, and the commentators have a beef with the manager. That means this whole thing is a mess of beef jerky.

    • Stu

      Are you sure you aren’t having a knee-jerk reaction to all of this?

    • Beccolina

      Actually, I believe it was a friend of the waitress who posted it, not the waitress herself. I don’t know if she knew about it at the time or not. I think the pastor was the worst of it–she was a jerk, it went public that she was a jerk, so instead of showing a little humility, she makes a stink and the waitress loses her livelihood. I don’t know the specific policies of Applebee’s, but the manager might have had his hands tied by policies (or not).

      • Mercury

        I’d imagine the restaurant would have had no choice but to fire the employee. IF the employee is the one who posted it, it’s probably what she deserved. I’ve gotten rude little statements like this before, and it is just trashy to post it online WITH the person’s name on it. If I did something like that I’d expect to be fired.

        • S. Murphy

          It is trashy; but honestly, she was young. I think I’d’ve had her immediate supervisor read her the riot act, leave her thinking she was going to be fired, and then tell her, ‘well, no: we know that customer was singularly ignorant; so as long as you’ve learned to vent in non-public ways, we’ll pick you up and shake the dust off.’

  • Julie

    That pastor doesn’t give God 10 percent. She gives her church 10 percent.

  • Mercury

    I can’t respond directly in this format, but:

    Andy, Bad Person – if the restaurant industry ever switched to paying waiters a base wage instead of relying on tips, you’re looking at about an increase in wages by a factor of about 5 or so.

    In any event, many people who wait table would no longer do so. We tend to see the tip system as a feature, not a bug – we recognize that excellent service and salesmanship has an effect on what we make, and at least for myself, I’m genuinely grateful to my *customer* for what I make, so there’s something to be said for the relationship that develops there.

    In all reality, these people are huge jerks, but when you average out the pay you make over the course of a week or a month, individual good or bad tips do not matter. And by law, if an employee does not make enough in terms of tips, the restrurant has to compensate up to minimum wage – it’s called “Z money” for some reason.

    Still – not tipping a server is a truly jerky thing to do, any anyone who’s worked in the industry knows the horrible feeling that comes with it. I’m still amazed at how many people seem to be ignorant or not care about the customary tip. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve said my goodbyes and thank-you’s to a guest who’s spent a lot of money, only to see a few dollars balled up on the table (my restaurant, like many, charges 3-5% of sales on order to “tip out” bussers, hostesses, etc., regardless of how much we make).

    Margaret Catherine – where do you get that she paid the tip? It might be that the automatic gratuity is included in the total, and she had to pay it anyway (legally, there’s probably a note in the menu about large parties), but it’s clear her *intention* was to leave 0%, which is obvious from her scratching out the 6.29.

    Besides, 6.29 IS 18% of 34.93, not 18% of 28.64 (34.94 – 28.64), so unless she was forced to pay it (I doubt it) she did stuff her server.

    Andy, again – even in an upscale restaurant, the server depends on tips for their living. Other people may pay enough that the person is not denied a living wage, but for the point of view of the tipper, it is denying the person their wage, because if everyone did so, the server wouldn’t make an living wage. This is no different than not paying the baker or the cook for certain items.

    Lastly, the server was a jerk too. She posted this on reddit, a haven for Intenet atheist thugs and bigots, as “proof” of how bad Christians are.

    • Anson

      I’m not sure where I read it and don’t really want to go looking, so take this with a grain of salt, but I thought that I too had read that they left the tip in cash. (Something like there were separate tickets for each person at the table, but the group then pooled cash for the tip.) Not sure the thinking behind the snotty note under these circumstances, though. Weird thing to do.

      • Mercury

        I dunno, maybe that’s true. Of course, there’d be no way to prove it.

        But that would honestly make no sense. The bill charged an autograt, which would mean that if the credit card is run, the gratuity would be charged automatically, unless the manager manually overrides it somehow. I’ve never seen anyone pay with a credit card and then pay the *automatic* tip in cash, and I’m not even sure how it’s possible.

        • Anson

          Like I said: grain of salt. I don’t think it really matters anyway. Leaving a tip does not license someone to be rude to the wait staff, to make a condescending remark that reveals that you think of them as unentitled beggars.

    • Margaret Catherine

      Whoops – misread the amount as including the autograt. Even worse since it looks like we use the same POS system! :)

  • FW Ken

    An automatic tip I pay, but don’t add to it. which its too bad, because good service gets at least 20% from me. In cases of an exceptional meal, I write the praise on the ticket, so corporate sees it. Complaints go through the internet.

    • Mercury

      Corporate won’t see the praise unless the server gives it to someone. The reaction is usually “isn’t that nice”. I’d recommend e-mails and comment cars for praise of you really want the company to see it.

  • Joe

    I’m sure God doesn’t mind only getting 10% as long as it helps the waitress out. God is kind of cool like that.

  • Wills

    Sin of detraction Mark? The point could have been made without revealing identities…..

    • Martin T

      This was all over the internet already.

      • Wills

        “This was all over the Internet already.” So? Repeating the woman’s name is good how? And repeating detraction is not detraction how? If the point of the blog entry is to discuss the bad habit of not tipping and being obnoxious about it, what purpose does the name serve except to make me think ill of that person?

  • enness

    This is the first time I’m seeing the full receipt pictured. I was leaning toward both of them being fake.