That’s about right

Though Bush never voted himself the power to secretly and unaccountable murder anybody in the world His Imperial Majesty decided to kill.  It took His Royal Highness Obama I, Constitutional Scholar, to establish the principle that the President is a totally law-free murderer whenever he thinks you need to die.  Strange how quiet the “anti-war” left is about that.  If it were Bush there would (rightly) be impeachment proceedings.

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A friend remarked about my comment above that she doubted “that all Democrats think he is Jesus.”

Granted, not *all* Dems think this (anymore). Not all Dems agree on anything. But Dems have rather a credibility issue here. I remember when neocons spent a large amount of time trying to pretend that “neocon” was a label invented by the enemies of neocons because they felt uncomfortable with the fact that neoconservatism was such a spectacular failure. It’s the same thing motivating the GOP to pretend W never existed. Problem was, they themselves had published things like “The Essential Neoconservative Reader” back when they were on the rise and you can order it at Amazon.

Rule of thumb: People who try to distance themselves by repenting their previous wrong ideas and actions are called “penitent”. It’s an honorable thing to do. People who try to distance themselves by denying they ever held their previous ideas are generally dishonorable liars, like neocons who pretend they were ever neocons and quiescent “anti-war” Obama supporters and adorers who pretend they never indulged in messianic crap about Obama. The fact is, Dems and the Left (and Obama, by the way) heavily indulged in blasphemous messianic crap about Obama. When Obama turned out to be another corporate tool and one who is rather uncomfortable with the democratic process when it gets in the way of his arrogant will, the people who indulged in this blasphemous crap did not say, “I was wrong. That was dumb. I repent.” Instead, like the neocons, they have largely tried to say that those of us who remember these antics are just making stuff up to make them look dumb and they never indulged in messianic delusions about him.

Problem is: the Internet is forever.

  • Stu

    Following Obama’s tenure, the Democrat party will work just as hard denying that he ever existed just like the GOP has with Bush.

  • Claude

    The Bush Military Commissions Act conferred on the executive authority to determine the status of enemy combatants. Obama has indeed expanded on that authority and the “anti-war left” has hardly been “quiet” about it. Glenn Greenwald has been screaming bloody murder since the get-go (granted, he may not consider himself a member of the “anti-war left” but at the least he’s an anti-neocon). Democrats and the “left” are so contentious that you may recall Obama admonishing his base to “stop whining.” There is pushback whether it suits you to acknowledge it or not.

    Furthermore “messianic crap” was an invention of the GOP propaganda mill that exploited Oprah’s remark that Obama was “the one.” I suppose we will never hear the end of it.

    • DJB

      Thanks for pointing this out. I read criticism of the President from other liberals every day, and it’s the only criticism that isn’t rooted in hysterics or conspiracy theories. Greenwald, of course, and the paper he works for. Ta-Nehisis Coates at the Atlantic, Corey Robin and the Jacobin crowd (though I doubt they self-identity as liberals) and Paul Krugman at the Times, among others. It’s out there. It’s loud enough that Obama’s spokesmen have to respond to it once in a while, though only ever with a flippant dismissal.

      • Claude

        And thank you for mentioning some of the other prominent dissident voices on the left. I will not dispute that Obama can and does take the base for granted.

    • Andy, Bad Person

      Furthermore “messianic crap” was an invention of the GOP propaganda mill that exploited Oprah’s remark that Obama was “the one.” I suppose we will never hear the end of it.

      If you haven’t seen the messianic crap for yourself, you haven’t been paying attention.

    • Rosemarie

      +J.M.J+

      I don’t suppose you clicked through Mark’s last link and read the whole “Is Obama the Messiah” blog. It’s not “an invention of the GOP propaganda mill.” Obama enthusiasts *have* spoken of him in messianic terms – perhaps more so during the 2008 election than now, but are some still making such statements to this day. Some have even published books comparing him to Our Lord. No, the GOP didn’t make this up.

      • Claude

        That site has got to be satire.

        • Mark Shea

          If, by “satire”, you mean “a compendium of ridiculous things said in messianic fervor by actual Obama devotees” then yes.

          • Claude

            No, I mean the whole thing seems to be a send-up.

            • Mark Shea

              Well, yes. But it’s a send-up made entirely of real quotes from people you deny ever existed. You know, like a neocon lives in denial.

          • Claude

            Upon googling I discovered that the creator of the site, no friend to Obama, admits it’s a parody.

            • Mark Shea

              Sigh. Yes. It’s a parody–a parody full of actual, real things Obama supporters have actually said, not a parody full of fake quotes nobody really said. You do get that, right?

              • Claude

                Well, Mark, it’s not that simple. There appear to be genuine quotes mixed in with images and text that are themselves satirical, and the whole business is re-contextualized to construct the parody. So, no, I’m not dissuaded.

                I don’t doubt that some Obama supporters were over-exuberant, but I remain convinced that the charge of Obama messianism was stoked by right-wing ops like our comedian here to infuriate the GOP base. And, really, you’re going to compare this to the neoconservative menace?

                But you must excuse me, I have to get back to my book Why Priests?.

                • George Lower

                  “And, really, you’re going to compare this to the neoconservative menace?” Hmm…let’s see the neoconservative menace of what? Unilateral assisination by drone? Torture of prisoners? Yep…problem is Obama has doubled down on all the the things that make neoconservatives dangerous…and you support and attempt to minimize the “messianism” surrounding Obama? ROFL….Try visiting a place called “reality”…your epistemic closure bubble is getting a little stuffy. BTW I do enjoy a good book…I just wish they would put Wills in the fiction section next to Dan Brown…cuz that is where he belongs….

                  • Claude

                    Um, one of Obama’s first acts as president was signing an executive order prohibiting torture. You skipped the Bush Doctrine (“In what respect?”), perhaps because Obama has not embarked, much less “doubled down,” on a war of choice. Drones do occupy a murky realm of preemptive strikes, but nothing on the scale of the Iraq debacle.

                    I was a foot soldier in both the 2008 and 2012 campaigns and did not encounter one instance of “Obama messianism,” not among campaign workers (the true believers), not on the phone, not on the street, and not on the internet. To be sure there was a lot of excitement and, yes, hope, surrounding Obama in 2008, but none of this messiah nonsense. Hence my skepticism. Anyway, comparing “Obama messiah” denial to neoconservative denial is as absurd as comparing Dan Brown to Garry Wills.

                • Mark Shea

                  I *dare* suggest that somebody as obviously virtuous as you might enter the kingdom of heaven after the tax collectors and sinners? The smugness. It burns.

                  • Claude

                    What are you talking about? Except for what I observed on the ground, none of this is about me.

      • Stu

        I agree with Rosemarie. It’s not a GOP invention.

        You even have people calling him “Our Lord and Savior.” And the mean it.

    • Mark Shea

      Weren’t you just explaining that Obama’s obvious moral superiority to Bush leaves you untroubled about voting for this murderer? And no, you should really click on the link to ObamaMessiah. It was not, by a long shot, a single silly comment by Oprah. You really do sound like a neocon in denial.

    • “joe”

      thank you claude (and DJB).
      it’s oh so tiresome, the idea people around here have of “the left”.

      • Claude

        Hmm. I repled but my comment vanished, so I’ll try again to say: thank you.

  • “joe”

    “It took His Royal Highness Obama I, Constitutional Scholar, to establish the principle that the President is a totally law-free murderer whenever he thinks you need to die.”

    i thought it was john yoo who did that.

    • Mark Shea

      Yoo only authorized torture and crushing the testicles of children if the President felt like it. We must be nuanced about these things.

  • antigon

    Problem is: the Internet is forever.

    Nah, the Empire will take care of that too when it seems necessary.

  • Dale Price

    Moral of the story: a long face *is* a moral disinfectant for Obama voters.


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