What Happened to New Oxford Review?

Caelum et Terra finds their ad creepy:

I agree. Since when did orthodoxy become a celebration of the biggest sins and mistakes Catholics have committed?

It’s like they *want* to alienate people from the Church. And when they succeed and somebody takes just offense at their jerkishness, they boast that it’s because they are so awesome and their critics are fools, stupid, corrupt, etc.

These guys and Evangelical Atheists should be put in a huge jar like spiders and allowed to eat each other. Repellent.

  • Kirt Higdon

    I let my subscription to NOR lapse back when they started accusing Paul VI of having been a homosexual and Benedict XVI of probably being one.

  • Kirt Higdon

    I let my subscription to New Oxford Review lapse back when they started accusing Paul VI of having been a homosexual and Benedict XVI of probably being one.

    • ivan_the_mad

      Yes, I let my subscription lapse as well about a year ago. Their obsession with girly men was starting to get a bit creepy, as did their fortress mentality and aggressive negativity. It’s a pity, I think von Hilderbrand is well worth reading, and NOR provided a regular opportunity for that. Oh well. There are other venues more charitable and erudite. *cough* GILBERT MAGAZINE *cough*

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/00805469860229478026 Irksome1

    Mark, formerly on this blog, you indicated that to subscribe to a creed other than that of Catholicism contained within it an element of sin. Since creeds other than Catholicism are defined by their rejection of one or more Catholic truths, they are heretical (at least). Since no one can be said to have a right to sin, heresy is a fit subject for punishment. Since heresy is inherently and gravely destabilizing to the health of society in both its temporal and spiritual dimensions, justice allows for according the offense capital status. Provided the offender has been offered the opportunity for repentance, then mercy has been given its due and execution can neither be sinful nor a mistake. You might counter that New Oxford Review is being crass or taking inordinate pleasure in the application of the death penalty, but it’s unclear to me that even this is obvious, since Aquinas observes that the saints in heaven rejoice in the tortures of the damned, New Oxford Review’s ad seems mild by comparison.

    • KMT

      This is satire, right? Your tongue is firmly in your cheek? You’re adopting a fictional alter-ego, correct?

    • Mark Shea

      Mark, formerly on this blog, you indicated that to subscribe to a creed other than that of Catholicism contained within it an element of sin.

      I did?

      You might counter that New Oxford Review is being crass or taking inordinate pleasure in the application of the death penalty

      I’d like the exact quote from Thomas, because it cannot be that he means we can rub our hands with glee at the thought of fleshly vengefulness.

  • Subsistent

    Whether or not “Irksome1″ is really a troll impersonating an Integralist “Ruminator of the Holy Alliance” (Jacques Maritain’s term in his book *Peasant of the Garonne*), I’ll note here, for accuracy’s sake, that in his question in the *Summa* “Whether in every work of God there is both justice and mercy?”, Aquinas wrote that even in hell, divine “mercy is seen, which, although it does not entirely remit, yet somewhat alleviates, in punishing short of what is deserved.” After all, any rejoicing by heaven in the suffering of the damned would be rejoicing only insofar as that suffering involves (retributive) justice, not at all at the suffering in itself; for, as the Thomist Jacques Maritain states flatly in his *Moral Philosophy* (p. 461): “In itself suffering is an evil, and will always remain an evil.”
    And regarding the death penalty for heresy, St. Hildegard of Bingen, Doctor of the Church, wrote: “Drive the heretics out of the Church: but do not kill them at all; for they are made as we are [*or* 'as you are'] in the image of God.” (Cited by Jacques Maritain in note 2 to Chap. XIII in his book *On the Church of Christ*.)

  • j. blum

    Beati in caelo regno videbunt poenas damnatorum ut illis magis beatis compleacebat. I memorized it from it being quoted by Nietzche–thus, entirely without context. Kinda thing an eighteen-year-old newly militant atheist thinks is a trump card.

  • Enough!

    This is a prime example of why I stopped reading you years ago, Mark. Are you kidding me? I saw this a year ago, and thought it hilarious, I’m sure many others do too, even a few of my heathen friends got a kick out of it. Is this yet another rant at tradtionalists? You did read where Daniel Nichols compared this to germans wearing ‘I’d rather be gassing jews’ shirts, or southerners sporting ‘lynch the ni**ers” bumpers stickers? Are you kidding me? You don’t think that is a bit, um, much?! You don’t think that is a retarded comparison?
    I cannot stand the “dark history of the Catholic Church” guys.
    Do any of you understand medieval politics? Heresy was a crime against the state, it threatened the good order of society and the souls dwelling there, it was an enemy of the summum bonum and thus the state had a vested interest in seeing it put down. It was often state authorities and the people themselves who went after or exposed heretics, and I should also mention that repentence was always available to the accused. It was never just roast them on a stake. They were more serious than that. Before the miracle of miracles that was the American seperation of Church and State, things were far more intertwined.
    This post and the link it gives remind me of all the ignorance of the “oh nooo the dark ages!” types.
    Ah, let me guess, this is another example of the “bronze age barbarians” label you used to like swing around with abandon. If only all men could be so evolved as 21st century yahoos like us.
    Absurd.

    • Mark Shea

      This is a prime example of why I stopped reading you years ago, Mark.

      Could have fooled me.

  • RC

    So they take a negative stereotype about the Church and laugh at it. How eeevil.

    • Mark Shea

      Actually, they take a negative stereotype about the Church and reinforce it.

  • http://peterseanesq.blogspot.com/ Peter Sean Bradley

    The canard that Aquinas taught that the saints in heaven “rejoice in the tortures of the damned” is nonsense, usually offered by Catholic-hating atheists.

    What he said was (Supplementum, Q.94.3):

    //I answer that, A thing may be a matter of rejoicing in two ways. First directly, when one rejoices in a thing as such: and thus the saints will not rejoice in the punishment of the wicked. Secondly, indirectly, by reason namely of something annexed to it: and in this way the saints will rejoice in the punishment of the wicked, by considering therein the order of Divine justice and their own deliverance, which will fill them with joy. And thus the Divine justice and their own deliverance will be the direct cause of the joy of the blessed: while the punishment of the damned will cause it indirectly.//

    Note that Aquinas says expressly that “thus the saints will not rejoice in the punishment of the wicked.”

    So, obviously, some people interpret that to mean that “thus the saints will rejoice in the punishment of the wicked.”

    *Sheesh*

    • Mark Shea

      Thanks. I figured it was something like this. It is, in a major key, what normal people express in a minor key when they say, “I’m glad bin Laden is dead though I’m sorry it came to that.”

  • http://coffeecatholic.wordpress.com M. Jordan Lichens

    After that mag accused several of my own friends of being gay I quit reading it. It’s a shame, because I actually enjoy some of the dark humour.

  • http://te-deum.blogspot.com Diane K

    I subscribed to them back in late 2005 not knowing much about them. They were just coming online at the time and had all the traditional trappings. Once I paid and was able to get in, I saw a scathing editorial against Pope Benedict XVI because he did not move fast enough for them on changes. I promptly emailed them back about two hours after my subscription was approved and told them to cancel it. I told them they were a bunch of “arm-chair popes” and that the editorial was very offensive. Naturally, they defended it, but I’ve never looked back. They will drive themselves out of existence.

  • Marv

    Allegations of homosexual clergy. . . . are we talking NOR or Vatileaks here?

  • ravitchn

    The magzine, like most religious publications, is boring.

  • Name

    What an example of ignorance this expose of New Oxford Review. With 20% of Americans atheist or agnostic or just in a religious coma they must be out of their minds to be discussing the execution of heretics. In this dying culture it is we who are likely in time to face the chopping block! And what an insult to the intellect and faith of Cardinal Newman!