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	<title>Comments on: Talking Back &#8211; Mohja Kahf&#8217;s Response to &#8220;The Sermon&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Looking at Muslim women in the media and pop culture</description>
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		<title>By: Kawthar</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2008/10/talking-back-mohja-kahfs-response-to-the-sermon/#comment-2366</link>
		<dc:creator>Kawthar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mohja Kahf &lt;a href=&quot;http://hedonist.progressiveislam.org/?p=141#comment-83421&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wrote a response&lt;/a&gt; to Crypto-Muslim&#039;s &quot;Open Letter&quot; : it&#039;s worth a read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mohja Kahf <a href="http://hedonist.progressiveislam.org/?p=141#comment-83421" rel="nofollow">wrote a response</a> to Crypto-Muslim&#8217;s &#8220;Open Letter&#8221; : it&#8217;s worth a read.</p>
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		<title>By: Saichah</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2008/10/talking-back-mohja-kahfs-response-to-the-sermon/#comment-2365</link>
		<dc:creator>Saichah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article of Kahf made me smile. In her world, it looks like there&#039;s no macho muslim man who looks at women as a piece of meat, no gays, no social constraints regarding hijab and so many other DETAILS that make up the daily lives of so many muslim women. It was a good try but really, it&#039;s dangerous to over generalise her case !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article of Kahf made me smile. In her world, it looks like there&#8217;s no macho muslim man who looks at women as a piece of meat, no gays, no social constraints regarding hijab and so many other DETAILS that make up the daily lives of so many muslim women. It was a good try but really, it&#8217;s dangerous to over generalise her case !</p>
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		<title>By: A Response to Mojha Kahf &#171; Nuseiba</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2008/10/talking-back-mohja-kahfs-response-to-the-sermon/#comment-2350</link>
		<dc:creator>A Response to Mojha Kahf &#171; Nuseiba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sermon on Muslim Women”.  Sobia from Muslimah Media Watch posted (a mostly positive) response here, MMW then featured a more negative analysis from Muse here  (which has since been retracted) and [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sermon on Muslim Women”.  Sobia from Muslimah Media Watch posted (a mostly positive) response here, MMW then featured a more negative analysis from Muse here  (which has since been retracted) and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Crypto-Muslim &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Open letter to Mohja Kahf</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2008/10/talking-back-mohja-kahfs-response-to-the-sermon/#comment-2351</link>
		<dc:creator>Crypto-Muslim &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Open letter to Mohja Kahf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I saw your op-ed yesterday, as well as some commentary on it. First an article by Sobia at Muslimahmediawatch, then over a hundred (mostly hostile) comments, following your op-ed, and now [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I saw your op-ed yesterday, as well as some commentary on it. First an article by Sobia at Muslimahmediawatch, then over a hundred (mostly hostile) comments, following your op-ed, and now [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sobia</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2008/10/talking-back-mohja-kahfs-response-to-the-sermon/#comment-2364</link>
		<dc:creator>Sobia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Celeritas:
Or a good match who doesn&#039;t have lots of money verses a bad match who does. Good point!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Celeritas:<br />
Or a good match who doesn&#8217;t have lots of money verses a bad match who does. Good point!</p>
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		<title>By: Mariam</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2008/10/talking-back-mohja-kahfs-response-to-the-sermon/#comment-2363</link>
		<dc:creator>Mariam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting reviews of the article. I can see where both reviewers are coming from. I too am sick and tired of having to explain that being a Muslim woman does not mean you&#039;re abused, or forced into marriage or uneducated etc.
The only thing I found that I differed with the reviewers on is that they didn&#039;t seem to like Mohja&#039;s writing style. I think she was writing in that way because it&#039;s a topic that is hard to explain in such a short piece and go into depth about. I personally think it was pretty good for the space allotted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting reviews of the article. I can see where both reviewers are coming from. I too am sick and tired of having to explain that being a Muslim woman does not mean you&#8217;re abused, or forced into marriage or uneducated etc.<br />
The only thing I found that I differed with the reviewers on is that they didn&#8217;t seem to like Mohja&#8217;s writing style. I think she was writing in that way because it&#8217;s a topic that is hard to explain in such a short piece and go into depth about. I personally think it was pretty good for the space allotted.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeritas</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2008/10/talking-back-mohja-kahfs-response-to-the-sermon/#comment-2362</link>
		<dc:creator>Celeritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 04:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe the bit on the mahr is funny. Mahr is an interesting one, as a &#039;love match&#039; I knew my husband well and was happy to take what the author would percieve to be a small amount. Alternatively a convert sister I knew was pushed into marriage, got one date for a mahr along with physical abuse and had to be willingly deported to get her out of the country, she also apostated to try to get her husband to divorce her.  I think in terms of marriage where there is no trust existing between the pair to begin with ie they know each other or their families will guarantee the relationship, then a one year salary mahr is reasonable. However it does not make sense to reject a wonderful religious brother who doesn&#039;t have money to favour a less religious brother who can give you $30k or whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe the bit on the mahr is funny. Mahr is an interesting one, as a &#8216;love match&#8217; I knew my husband well and was happy to take what the author would percieve to be a small amount. Alternatively a convert sister I knew was pushed into marriage, got one date for a mahr along with physical abuse and had to be willingly deported to get her out of the country, she also apostated to try to get her husband to divorce her.  I think in terms of marriage where there is no trust existing between the pair to begin with ie they know each other or their families will guarantee the relationship, then a one year salary mahr is reasonable. However it does not make sense to reject a wonderful religious brother who doesn&#8217;t have money to favour a less religious brother who can give you $30k or whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Krista</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2008/10/talking-back-mohja-kahfs-response-to-the-sermon/#comment-2361</link>
		<dc:creator>Krista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great review, I&#039;m glad you wrote about this article.

I found Kahf&#039;s article really refreshing to read.  I think we often get so focused on critiquing media representations of Islam and women that we forget to celebrate the good things; we spend so much time saying &quot;Islam isn&#039;t oppressive,&quot; and stopping there, and the positive role of Islam in our lives doesn&#039;t always get talked about.  Or, you&#039;ll see articles that talk about positive things in Islam, but only in opposition to the supposedly evil, immoral &quot;West.&quot;  I really liked how Mohja Kahf talked about some of the things in her article, and really identified with her descriptions of prayer, prayer clothes and wudu.

I did think it was weird to focus so much on the scarves, but at the same time, I appreciated that she wrote about them in such a different way.  We spend so much time speaking back to the media, saying &quot;get over the scarf, it&#039;s just an article of clothing,&quot; and so I liked the way that she introduced the topic by talking about it AS just an article of clothing, in a really matter-of-fact way.  I also liked how she spoke about wearing hijab as an extension of the scarf that she wears to pray, and bypasses the normal discussions about why people wear it.

A couple of the commenters here have talked about how Kahf&#039;s understanding of the role of sex within Christianity might not be complete; I wonder if that&#039;s a flaw that comes out in other aspects of her article as well, where she&#039;s fighting against the common perception of Islam, but perhaps not interrogating her own perceptions of Christianity or (non-Muslim) Western society/laws?  It would be interesting to see a Christian feminist response to it.  I would also be curious to read similar articles by women of other faiths about their reflections on gender issues within their religions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great review, I&#8217;m glad you wrote about this article.</p>
<p>I found Kahf&#8217;s article really refreshing to read.  I think we often get so focused on critiquing media representations of Islam and women that we forget to celebrate the good things; we spend so much time saying &#8220;Islam isn&#8217;t oppressive,&#8221; and stopping there, and the positive role of Islam in our lives doesn&#8217;t always get talked about.  Or, you&#8217;ll see articles that talk about positive things in Islam, but only in opposition to the supposedly evil, immoral &#8220;West.&#8221;  I really liked how Mohja Kahf talked about some of the things in her article, and really identified with her descriptions of prayer, prayer clothes and wudu.</p>
<p>I did think it was weird to focus so much on the scarves, but at the same time, I appreciated that she wrote about them in such a different way.  We spend so much time speaking back to the media, saying &#8220;get over the scarf, it&#8217;s just an article of clothing,&#8221; and so I liked the way that she introduced the topic by talking about it AS just an article of clothing, in a really matter-of-fact way.  I also liked how she spoke about wearing hijab as an extension of the scarf that she wears to pray, and bypasses the normal discussions about why people wear it.</p>
<p>A couple of the commenters here have talked about how Kahf&#8217;s understanding of the role of sex within Christianity might not be complete; I wonder if that&#8217;s a flaw that comes out in other aspects of her article as well, where she&#8217;s fighting against the common perception of Islam, but perhaps not interrogating her own perceptions of Christianity or (non-Muslim) Western society/laws?  It would be interesting to see a Christian feminist response to it.  I would also be curious to read similar articles by women of other faiths about their reflections on gender issues within their religions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2008/10/talking-back-mohja-kahfs-response-to-the-sermon/#comment-2360</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not true that Christianity discourages pleasurable sex within marriage; many sects actively encourage it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not true that Christianity discourages pleasurable sex within marriage; many sects actively encourage it.</p>
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		<title>By: Fatemeh</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2008/10/talking-back-mohja-kahfs-response-to-the-sermon/#comment-2359</link>
		<dc:creator>Fatemeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(shrug) Okay. Agree to disagree. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(shrug) Okay. Agree to disagree. <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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