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		<title>By: sharoneden</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2008/11/the-stoning-of-soraya-m/#comment-2954</link>
		<dc:creator>sharoneden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admire your stand.  The world needs more Women of Courage like you and all the ordinary women of courage you spoke about in your article... AND those unknown heroines and heroes who support them.

Love to you...  Sharon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admire your stand.  The world needs more Women of Courage like you and all the ordinary women of courage you spoke about in your article&#8230; AND those unknown heroines and heroes who support them.</p>
<p>Love to you&#8230;  Sharon</p>
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		<title>By: Maya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sobia,
Yes, what you described I would call an &quot;honor killing.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sobia,<br />
Yes, what you described I would call an &#8220;honor killing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sobia</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2008/11/the-stoning-of-soraya-m/#comment-2937</link>
		<dc:creator>Sobia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Maya:

A White, Canadian man, Christian in origin but not necessarily religious, is married to a White, Canadian woman, also Christian in origin but not necessarily religious. He controls her every move. He does not allows her to meet with her family or friends. He wants to isolate her. He believes she is his; that she belongs to him. If she does not do as he says he beats her. At one point he suspects that she is having an affair, he thinks she is going behind his back to see someone else. How dare she defy him! How dare she deceive him. What if others find out? They will think he&#039;s a fool for not knowing. So he kills her to show others that he is no fool. That he knows what&#039;s going on and he will not be embarrassed by her. To show others that he is a man. He has protected his OWN honour. So what shall we call that? Let&#039;s see. He killed his wife to protect his personal honour. Hmm.....AH! I know! How about &quot;honour killing&quot; :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Maya:</p>
<p>A White, Canadian man, Christian in origin but not necessarily religious, is married to a White, Canadian woman, also Christian in origin but not necessarily religious. He controls her every move. He does not allows her to meet with her family or friends. He wants to isolate her. He believes she is his; that she belongs to him. If she does not do as he says he beats her. At one point he suspects that she is having an affair, he thinks she is going behind his back to see someone else. How dare she defy him! How dare she deceive him. What if others find out? They will think he&#8217;s a fool for not knowing. So he kills her to show others that he is no fool. That he knows what&#8217;s going on and he will not be embarrassed by her. To show others that he is a man. He has protected his OWN honour. So what shall we call that? Let&#8217;s see. He killed his wife to protect his personal honour. Hmm&#8230;..AH! I know! How about &#8220;honour killing&#8221; <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Maya</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2008/11/the-stoning-of-soraya-m/#comment-2934</link>
		<dc:creator>Maya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have listened to a number of individuals criticize this clip because it sensationalizes a circumstance of human rights violations and gives the impression that this reflects a given culture of Islam.  I have watched the clip several times and I have to say that I respectfully disagree.  This movie addresses an aggregious situation of murder and draws attention to it in an effort to seek the criminal prosecution of those who engage in this type of murder.  This is a situation that must be addressed.

There seems to exist a &quot;submullah&quot; mentality that seeks to infiltrate the youth of Iran and tell them not to listen to those who fight for human rights.  They talk about not wanting to give the impression that Iran is what people see in the government.  Why are they so concerned about this?  Is it because they implicitly support the mullahs.  They want to push the agenda of the mullahs while appearing to be contemporary.  The reality is that the Mullahs in Iran are dead.  They have simply not been put in their graves where they belong.  But they will be shortly.  And our dear friend Nazanin, will give the last rights.  :)

On the issue of &quot;honor killings&quot; we don&#039;t want to call it &quot;honor killings&quot; because that triggers an anti-Islamic mentality. So, we need to call it something else.  What should we call it.  Let&#039;s see.  It is about a group of people who kill their minor children, usually female, because they have in some way disgraced the family.  They have violated the family&#039;s honor.  So, what do we call it?   I don&#039;t know.  I have to tink about this.  Hey I have an idea.  How about calling it &quot;honor killings.&quot;   :)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have listened to a number of individuals criticize this clip because it sensationalizes a circumstance of human rights violations and gives the impression that this reflects a given culture of Islam.  I have watched the clip several times and I have to say that I respectfully disagree.  This movie addresses an aggregious situation of murder and draws attention to it in an effort to seek the criminal prosecution of those who engage in this type of murder.  This is a situation that must be addressed.</p>
<p>There seems to exist a &#8220;submullah&#8221; mentality that seeks to infiltrate the youth of Iran and tell them not to listen to those who fight for human rights.  They talk about not wanting to give the impression that Iran is what people see in the government.  Why are they so concerned about this?  Is it because they implicitly support the mullahs.  They want to push the agenda of the mullahs while appearing to be contemporary.  The reality is that the Mullahs in Iran are dead.  They have simply not been put in their graves where they belong.  But they will be shortly.  And our dear friend Nazanin, will give the last rights.  <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>On the issue of &#8220;honor killings&#8221; we don&#8217;t want to call it &#8220;honor killings&#8221; because that triggers an anti-Islamic mentality. So, we need to call it something else.  What should we call it.  Let&#8217;s see.  It is about a group of people who kill their minor children, usually female, because they have in some way disgraced the family.  They have violated the family&#8217;s honor.  So, what do we call it?   I don&#8217;t know.  I have to tink about this.  Hey I have an idea.  How about calling it &#8220;honor killings.&#8221;   <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sahar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sahar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rochelle: Lose the drama, contextualise it, and make sure people understand what it needs to be divorced from (Islam and the broader experiences of Muslim women). Immerse it in the historical, political and cultural context so people understand why it exists. That&#039;s how you bring about a more accurate account and change. Not an outright condemnation. Same goes for FGC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rochelle: Lose the drama, contextualise it, and make sure people understand what it needs to be divorced from (Islam and the broader experiences of Muslim women). Immerse it in the historical, political and cultural context so people understand why it exists. That&#8217;s how you bring about a more accurate account and change. Not an outright condemnation. Same goes for FGC.</p>
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		<title>By: Rochelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rochelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: How do you make a movie about stoning that isn&#039;t a &quot;dramatic pile of crap&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: How do you make a movie about stoning that isn&#8217;t a &#8220;dramatic pile of crap&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Krista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedestrian: Thanks for writing this and for letting us post it on MMW!

I don&#039;t know nearly enough about these issues in an Iranian context to wade into some of the debates happening here in the comments, but I wanted to say that I really appreciate you bringing up this point in your article:

&quot;There are thousands of people out there, lawyers, journalists, activists, teachers, mothers who are putting themselves in harm’s way hoping that something different will eventually come out of this.

Why do we not hear their stories?&quot;

Whether or not the work done by outsiders has any impact within the country, it is often the case that the outsiders get a disproportionate amount of attention compared to those working within the communities, doing the much more tedious, less glamourous, and much less celebrated day-to-day work in struggling for change.  Even where the work of foreigners is indeed useful (and again, I don&#039;t know whether that&#039;s the case here), recognition of their work should only come alongside recognition that people in the country have usually been resisting oppression in all sorts of ways long before anyone from the outside heard of it.

@ Sahar: totally agree on the clip being a ridiculously &quot;dramatic pile of crap.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedestrian: Thanks for writing this and for letting us post it on MMW!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know nearly enough about these issues in an Iranian context to wade into some of the debates happening here in the comments, but I wanted to say that I really appreciate you bringing up this point in your article:</p>
<p>&#8220;There are thousands of people out there, lawyers, journalists, activists, teachers, mothers who are putting themselves in harm’s way hoping that something different will eventually come out of this.</p>
<p>Why do we not hear their stories?&#8221;</p>
<p>Whether or not the work done by outsiders has any impact within the country, it is often the case that the outsiders get a disproportionate amount of attention compared to those working within the communities, doing the much more tedious, less glamourous, and much less celebrated day-to-day work in struggling for change.  Even where the work of foreigners is indeed useful (and again, I don&#8217;t know whether that&#8217;s the case here), recognition of their work should only come alongside recognition that people in the country have usually been resisting oppression in all sorts of ways long before anyone from the outside heard of it.</p>
<p>@ Sahar: totally agree on the clip being a ridiculously &#8220;dramatic pile of crap.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sahar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sahar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw the clip and think it&#039;s the most dramatic pile of crap if ever I seen one. &quot;where injustice rules&quot; ...give me a break. How is this going to help Iranian women? These sensational aspects of some Iranian (Muslim) women&#039;s lives, for we can&#039;t deny injustice does exist, however, this does not mean the experiences of all Iranian women is being replicated here. (as Pedestrian rightly points out!)The dangers in such implications legitimise wars and hegemonic forces at play. These do nothing but contribute to the already growing divisions both within the Muslim community and the international community. Moreover, they contribute to extremism and reactionary sentiments within these countries-- in their effort to &#039;protect&#039; their &#039;identity&#039;, &#039;honour&#039; and &#039;tradition&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw the clip and think it&#8217;s the most dramatic pile of crap if ever I seen one. &#8220;where injustice rules&#8221; &#8230;give me a break. How is this going to help Iranian women? These sensational aspects of some Iranian (Muslim) women&#8217;s lives, for we can&#8217;t deny injustice does exist, however, this does not mean the experiences of all Iranian women is being replicated here. (as Pedestrian rightly points out!)The dangers in such implications legitimise wars and hegemonic forces at play. These do nothing but contribute to the already growing divisions both within the Muslim community and the international community. Moreover, they contribute to extremism and reactionary sentiments within these countries&#8211; in their effort to &#8216;protect&#8217; their &#8216;identity&#8217;, &#8216;honour&#8217; and &#8216;tradition&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: babak pirouzia</title>
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		<dc:creator>babak pirouzia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 06:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to Pedestrian:

1-It&#039;s so sad to see a few ignorant, unfamiliar individual comment without full knowledge of what  Ms. Nazanin does for Iranian and most oppressed people.
2-If Islam is different than what we see in Iran, which Islamic country we should take as role model for &quot;correct Islam&quot;? If Iran&#039;s Islamic regime is not following the &quot;correct Islamic way&quot; which country is following the &quot;right&quot; one? and why no Islamic country(s) are not confronting Iran and reminding them to choose the &quot;right way&quot;? after all Iran population is 10% of total Islamic population. why no Islamic country confronted Taliban and now Iran is following the same path of Taliban.
Ms.Nazanin is unique of what she does, and if we had  few similar to her caliber we would have a better world.
For those who are not familiar with what she does and who she is connected in Iran and else where, you may read her sites, listen to some of her speeches in Google, and Youtube. Even though her sites are filtered in Iran, most of her contacts through out of Iran, including many lawyers, reporters, bloggers, students, union workers, teachers, etc prefer to stay unanimous for obvious reasons.
3-Where the hell in the world some one should give the name of their contact to you in public and then those people get tortured, or hanged because of &quot; Moharebeh&quot; ? I am sure you are not serious asking her to submit the list of her contacts in Iran!!! Duh? What type of person would ask such a classified information? just ask street people, the student , the bazzaris, the Kurds, Azaris, Baluchis, Bahais, Sunnis, Jews, Christians, Dervishes, Ismaelis, Arab of Khuzestan, Loris, Khorasanis, Isfahanis, Shirazis, Kermanis, Tehranis, Shomalis, Kishshis, Abu Mousais, Tombis, etc. if they know and what they know about Her. You do not have to use your own cocoon style information system to know if she is known to Iranians. If  your circle of friends ( I doubted, because your information shows otherwise) do not know her , that doesn&#039;t mean she is not known. She was watched by 2,2 billion when she was crowned in China as first runner up among 122 other finalists in the World and since then she has been in most national, international front page of media. Yes she may not be known by a hard working farmer in a corner of a small village in Iran, but wasn&#039;t the same scenario about Khomiani and his gang?.
Our subject is not her popularity but her message and her work for humanity. Help her if you believe her path is the right path, go away if you cannot see the light and the truth. Iranian style of Islam is fake and will collapse soon. This is the fact of history, proven over and over again.

Final word: for more info, check with Amnesty International, UN, UN human right division in Geneva, Human rights watch, Canadian Prime minister and house of common in Canada and UK, European Union, Australian House etc plus over 350,000 signatures supporting her openly and officially supporting her plus many other millions all over the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to Pedestrian:</p>
<p>1-It&#8217;s so sad to see a few ignorant, unfamiliar individual comment without full knowledge of what  Ms. Nazanin does for Iranian and most oppressed people.<br />
2-If Islam is different than what we see in Iran, which Islamic country we should take as role model for &#8220;correct Islam&#8221;? If Iran&#8217;s Islamic regime is not following the &#8220;correct Islamic way&#8221; which country is following the &#8220;right&#8221; one? and why no Islamic country(s) are not confronting Iran and reminding them to choose the &#8220;right way&#8221;? after all Iran population is 10% of total Islamic population. why no Islamic country confronted Taliban and now Iran is following the same path of Taliban.<br />
Ms.Nazanin is unique of what she does, and if we had  few similar to her caliber we would have a better world.<br />
For those who are not familiar with what she does and who she is connected in Iran and else where, you may read her sites, listen to some of her speeches in Google, and Youtube. Even though her sites are filtered in Iran, most of her contacts through out of Iran, including many lawyers, reporters, bloggers, students, union workers, teachers, etc prefer to stay unanimous for obvious reasons.<br />
3-Where the hell in the world some one should give the name of their contact to you in public and then those people get tortured, or hanged because of &#8221; Moharebeh&#8221; ? I am sure you are not serious asking her to submit the list of her contacts in Iran!!! Duh? What type of person would ask such a classified information? just ask street people, the student , the bazzaris, the Kurds, Azaris, Baluchis, Bahais, Sunnis, Jews, Christians, Dervishes, Ismaelis, Arab of Khuzestan, Loris, Khorasanis, Isfahanis, Shirazis, Kermanis, Tehranis, Shomalis, Kishshis, Abu Mousais, Tombis, etc. if they know and what they know about Her. You do not have to use your own cocoon style information system to know if she is known to Iranians. If  your circle of friends ( I doubted, because your information shows otherwise) do not know her , that doesn&#8217;t mean she is not known. She was watched by 2,2 billion when she was crowned in China as first runner up among 122 other finalists in the World and since then she has been in most national, international front page of media. Yes she may not be known by a hard working farmer in a corner of a small village in Iran, but wasn&#8217;t the same scenario about Khomiani and his gang?.<br />
Our subject is not her popularity but her message and her work for humanity. Help her if you believe her path is the right path, go away if you cannot see the light and the truth. Iranian style of Islam is fake and will collapse soon. This is the fact of history, proven over and over again.</p>
<p>Final word: for more info, check with Amnesty International, UN, UN human right division in Geneva, Human rights watch, Canadian Prime minister and house of common in Canada and UK, European Union, Australian House etc plus over 350,000 signatures supporting her openly and officially supporting her plus many other millions all over the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Maya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedestrian,
Since your blog contained a link to a Wikipedia site about Nazanin, this link will give a much better picture of what Nazanin and SCE are doing.  Everyone&#039;s role is important.  People approach the issues in different ways but there is nothing Nazanin is doing that is anti-Islam.

http://stopchildexecutions.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedestrian,<br />
Since your blog contained a link to a Wikipedia site about Nazanin, this link will give a much better picture of what Nazanin and SCE are doing.  Everyone&#8217;s role is important.  People approach the issues in different ways but there is nothing Nazanin is doing that is anti-Islam.</p>
<p><a href="http://stopchildexecutions.com/" rel="nofollow">http://stopchildexecutions.com/</a></p>
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