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	<title>Comments on: Egyptian Spinsters and Old Maids Sitting Happily on the Shelf</title>
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		<title>By: miralilo</title>
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		<dc:creator>miralilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice talking guys .. but as a 26 single egyptian girl .. i&#039;m saying that it is really very hard just to go through one day without having to face the consequences of choosing not 2 get married to any man that will provide me the appropriate social show window , especialy when your own families keep demanding that ..
we need a real change of habits .. a difference in treating girls who are strong to risk staying alone for the rest of their lives .. i dont think that a facebook group is enough :S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice talking guys .. but as a 26 single egyptian girl .. i&#8217;m saying that it is really very hard just to go through one day without having to face the consequences of choosing not 2 get married to any man that will provide me the appropriate social show window , especialy when your own families keep demanding that ..<br />
we need a real change of habits .. a difference in treating girls who are strong to risk staying alone for the rest of their lives .. i dont think that a facebook group is enough :S</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices dalam bahasa Indonesia &#187; Mesir: Kisah Para Perawan Tua Mesir</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2008/12/egyptian-spinsters-and-old-maids-sitting-happily-on-the-shelf/#comment-3221</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices dalam bahasa Indonesia &#187; Mesir: Kisah Para Perawan Tua Mesir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ElKatatney dari Muslimah Media Watch menulis posting pengakuan panjang dirinya sebagai perawan tua berusia 21 tahun. Ya, seorang perawan tua berusia 21 tahun. Di [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ElKatatney dari Muslimah Media Watch menulis posting pengakuan panjang dirinya sebagai perawan tua berusia 21 tahun. Ya, seorang perawan tua berusia 21 tahun. Di [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Broomstick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broomstick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sad because I WANT a Muslim husband, I have no interest in marrying a [non-Muslim] guy, but I am 26 and I am too OLD for Muslim guys... oh crap

what am I supposed to do?!?!?!

Time for me to book a flight to Dearborn, MI

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Mod note: Broomstick, I know you didn&#039;t mean it this way, but I removed the word &quot;kaffir&quot; because it&#039;s taken on some very negative connotations when used by Muslims about non-Muslims. In the interest of keeping things &quot;halal&quot; (wink), I just substituted it with what I assumed you meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sad because I WANT a Muslim husband, I have no interest in marrying a [non-Muslim] guy, but I am 26 and I am too OLD for Muslim guys&#8230; oh crap</p>
<p>what am I supposed to do?!?!?!</p>
<p>Time for me to book a flight to Dearborn, MI</p>
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<p>Mod note: Broomstick, I know you didn&#8217;t mean it this way, but I removed the word &#8220;kaffir&#8221; because it&#8217;s taken on some very negative connotations when used by Muslims about non-Muslims. In the interest of keeping things &#8220;halal&#8221; (wink), I just substituted it with what I assumed you meant.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Egyptian Spinsters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Egyptian Spinsters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ElKatatney of Muslimah Media Watch wrote an elaborate post on the issue confessing that she is a 21-year-old spinster. Yes, a spinster at 21. In my country, [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Sobia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sobia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ethar:

Yes, I was referring to a Western context. Sorry...I should have clarified that.</description>
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<p>Yes, I was referring to a Western context. Sorry&#8230;I should have clarified that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Possible related posts: Sell Fish People Should Die.

lol, what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possible related posts: Sell Fish People Should Die.</p>
<p>lol, what?</p>
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		<title>By: Ethar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jessyz: Egyptian women are encouraged to settle not just so they can get rid of the spinster label, but because marriage is seen as the be all and end all—the ultimate aim of a woman&#039;s life.

@ Tom: lol at the scrawny white dude.

@ Rocio Vega: Blue hair and six cats it is!

@ Broomstick: You would think that since so many women are suffering from the label, we&#039;d do something about it. Shouldn&#039;t something become accepted the more prevalent it is?

@ SakuraPassion: I&#039;m guessing it&#039;s because even if they understand some women choose not to get married, these women&#039;s decision is seen as flawed, as in &quot;poor women, they don&#039;t know what they&#039;re missing.&quot; This also applies not only to marriage, but to childbirth.

@ Yusra: Thanks! I was being a bit sarcastic with the 21-year-old spinster thing, I still have a few years to go before I become one =)

Men over 30 &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; be virgins, just like women over 30 can be too. It depends on the person. In Egypt, men are getting married later and later because of the cost of marriage, check out this article &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kippreport.com/kipp/2008/12/09/in-egypt-love-isnt-enough/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; In Egypt, love isn&#039;t enough&lt;/a&gt;, which was written just last week .

Let me give you my own generalization/ opinion here: I think that a lot of Egyptian women right now simply don&#039;t want to &#039;work hard&#039; at a marriage, or &#039;grow&#039; together. Many would rather marry older, richer men than young men who still don&#039;t have an apartment, are still starting out in their careers etc. Likewise, the men that reach 30-35 and are now rich enough to get married don&#039;t want to marry their counterparts but young women in their twenties.

@ Sobia: I think the phenomenon of Muslim women marrying non-Muslim men is definitely not an &#039;Arab&#039; phenomenon as of yet, and relates more to Muslim women in western societies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jessyz: Egyptian women are encouraged to settle not just so they can get rid of the spinster label, but because marriage is seen as the be all and end all—the ultimate aim of a woman&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>@ Tom: lol at the scrawny white dude.</p>
<p>@ Rocio Vega: Blue hair and six cats it is!</p>
<p>@ Broomstick: You would think that since so many women are suffering from the label, we&#8217;d do something about it. Shouldn&#8217;t something become accepted the more prevalent it is?</p>
<p>@ SakuraPassion: I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s because even if they understand some women choose not to get married, these women&#8217;s decision is seen as flawed, as in &#8220;poor women, they don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re missing.&#8221; This also applies not only to marriage, but to childbirth.</p>
<p>@ Yusra: Thanks! I was being a bit sarcastic with the 21-year-old spinster thing, I still have a few years to go before I become one =)</p>
<p>Men over 30 <i>can</i> be virgins, just like women over 30 can be too. It depends on the person. In Egypt, men are getting married later and later because of the cost of marriage, check out this article <a href="http://www.kippreport.com/kipp/2008/12/09/in-egypt-love-isnt-enough/" rel="nofollow"> In Egypt, love isn&#8217;t enough</a>, which was written just last week .</p>
<p>Let me give you my own generalization/ opinion here: I think that a lot of Egyptian women right now simply don&#8217;t want to &#8216;work hard&#8217; at a marriage, or &#8216;grow&#8217; together. Many would rather marry older, richer men than young men who still don&#8217;t have an apartment, are still starting out in their careers etc. Likewise, the men that reach 30-35 and are now rich enough to get married don&#8217;t want to marry their counterparts but young women in their twenties.</p>
<p>@ Sobia: I think the phenomenon of Muslim women marrying non-Muslim men is definitely not an &#8216;Arab&#8217; phenomenon as of yet, and relates more to Muslim women in western societies.</p>
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		<title>By: Sobia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sobia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is also why so many &quot;older&quot; Muslim women are marrying non-Muslim men. I&#039;ve known a few now who have chosen to marry non-Muslim men. A big part of this, I believe, is that a lot of Muslim men prefer young (early 20&#039;s) women, regardless of their own age. Its also much easier to meet non-Muslim men as well.

However, having said that, some of the friends in my life who always tell me that I&#039;m not too old and that I have plenty of time to find a partner are Muslim guys. Or maybe its that I just surround myself with like minded people :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is also why so many &#8220;older&#8221; Muslim women are marrying non-Muslim men. I&#8217;ve known a few now who have chosen to marry non-Muslim men. A big part of this, I believe, is that a lot of Muslim men prefer young (early 20&#8242;s) women, regardless of their own age. Its also much easier to meet non-Muslim men as well.</p>
<p>However, having said that, some of the friends in my life who always tell me that I&#8217;m not too old and that I have plenty of time to find a partner are Muslim guys. Or maybe its that I just surround myself with like minded people <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Yusra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yusra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I wasn&#039;t aware of this anti-Anis movement online. I also didn&#039;t know spinster was the English term. It sounds so unsexy and worse than the Arabic :/ Ethar you think Egy society considers you 3anis at 21?  I think 24 or 25 and up is the new 3anis yeah?

Mokhtar makes valid points and I hate the stigma (which is heightened for non-hijabis and ultra heightened for reasonably attractive, or stylish women) that women over 25 are &quot;loose&quot; but from an Islamic perspective, it makes absolute sense for women AND men to be married early. I&#039;ve had men over 30 propose to me and I refused on the grounds that I know they ain&#039;t virgins lmao, more to make a point than anything else. Like, I&#039;d rather feel frigid than make out with someone just to get some, and sorry but I&#039;m kinda convinced that waaaay more women than men share my view. THAT SAID, as a most of the time devout Muslima, I feel that pressure from myself and what I know to be right, regardless of society&#039;s view. It&#039;s only logical that sexual temptation becomes harder to resist when you grow into your womanhood or your manhood.

Men from very conservative or religious family backgrounds are also pressured to marry and looked down upon when they are not (how many sheiks do you know of over 30 who are not married), but even then it&#039;s not comparable to the female case.

I think many more Muslim men and women would get married young if it were more practical, but many would rather wait to marry than live in their parents home while attending grad school,etc. And again, maybe I&#039;m generalizing a little too much here, but from the female perspective, I think it has a lot more to do with finding the right person and being in the right place financially than playing around until your ready to settle down.

I think this is the most contentious issue facing Muslim women-much more than the hijab-because it has the potential to alter every aspect of life: career, reputation, passion, children, parents, Freedom...I hate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I wasn&#8217;t aware of this anti-Anis movement online. I also didn&#8217;t know spinster was the English term. It sounds so unsexy and worse than the Arabic :/ Ethar you think Egy society considers you 3anis at 21?  I think 24 or 25 and up is the new 3anis yeah?</p>
<p>Mokhtar makes valid points and I hate the stigma (which is heightened for non-hijabis and ultra heightened for reasonably attractive, or stylish women) that women over 25 are &#8220;loose&#8221; but from an Islamic perspective, it makes absolute sense for women AND men to be married early. I&#8217;ve had men over 30 propose to me and I refused on the grounds that I know they ain&#8217;t virgins lmao, more to make a point than anything else. Like, I&#8217;d rather feel frigid than make out with someone just to get some, and sorry but I&#8217;m kinda convinced that waaaay more women than men share my view. THAT SAID, as a most of the time devout Muslima, I feel that pressure from myself and what I know to be right, regardless of society&#8217;s view. It&#8217;s only logical that sexual temptation becomes harder to resist when you grow into your womanhood or your manhood.</p>
<p>Men from very conservative or religious family backgrounds are also pressured to marry and looked down upon when they are not (how many sheiks do you know of over 30 who are not married), but even then it&#8217;s not comparable to the female case.</p>
<p>I think many more Muslim men and women would get married young if it were more practical, but many would rather wait to marry than live in their parents home while attending grad school,etc. And again, maybe I&#8217;m generalizing a little too much here, but from the female perspective, I think it has a lot more to do with finding the right person and being in the right place financially than playing around until your ready to settle down.</p>
<p>I think this is the most contentious issue facing Muslim women-much more than the hijab-because it has the potential to alter every aspect of life: career, reputation, passion, children, parents, Freedom&#8230;I hate it.</p>
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		<title>By: SakuraPassion</title>
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		<dc:creator>SakuraPassion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like I can totally relate.  Even here in the West it still seems that women are stigmatized for not getting married.  Perhaps it&#039;s because I live in the midwest, where women feel their main goal in life is to get married, and if they don&#039;t they&#039;ll become &quot;old maids.&quot;

I think third wave feminists are also trying to reclaim the word &quot;spinster.&quot;  I guess some people haven&#039;t realized that women intentionally choose not to get married. Which is why I never really understood why they&#039;re looked down upon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like I can totally relate.  Even here in the West it still seems that women are stigmatized for not getting married.  Perhaps it&#8217;s because I live in the midwest, where women feel their main goal in life is to get married, and if they don&#8217;t they&#8217;ll become &#8220;old maids.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think third wave feminists are also trying to reclaim the word &#8220;spinster.&#8221;  I guess some people haven&#8217;t realized that women intentionally choose not to get married. Which is why I never really understood why they&#8217;re looked down upon.</p>
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