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	<title>Comments on: Nafsu buas: the politics of imagined lust in Malaysia</title>
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		<title>By: cycads</title>
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		<dc:creator>cycads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Na&#039;ima,

Indeed, there is a very fine line between safeguarding and control. For those who are happy with the fatwa, it is viewed as a means of preventing something unpleasant. But we also need to ask ourselves: what are the unpleasant repercussions of female homosexuality? Are they a threat to other Muslim&#039;s spirituality? And for those who disagree with the fatwa, it is nothing but a form of control. Looking a little androgynous in Malaysia, intentional or not, is simply risking harassment.

The fatwa itself does not hold water: you cannot associate sexuality with dress. If there was a fatwa that relates to the safety and protection of women, then it&#039;s a fatwa that declares any form of sexual harassment &#039;haram&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Na&#8217;ima,</p>
<p>Indeed, there is a very fine line between safeguarding and control. For those who are happy with the fatwa, it is viewed as a means of preventing something unpleasant. But we also need to ask ourselves: what are the unpleasant repercussions of female homosexuality? Are they a threat to other Muslim&#8217;s spirituality? And for those who disagree with the fatwa, it is nothing but a form of control. Looking a little androgynous in Malaysia, intentional or not, is simply risking harassment.</p>
<p>The fatwa itself does not hold water: you cannot associate sexuality with dress. If there was a fatwa that relates to the safety and protection of women, then it&#8217;s a fatwa that declares any form of sexual harassment &#8216;haram&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sobia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sobia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Na&#039;ima:

It depends on who you are protecting and from whom. The US, and a few other Western countries, have put in place laws that control the behaviour of Muslims to protect non-Muslims.

I think the line gets crossed when a portion of the population feels violated and denied their rights, and the control of whose behaviour does not protect anyone from anything. For instance, banning same-sex marriage is a form of controlling behaviour which infringes upon the rights of gays and lesbians AND which does not protect heterosexual people. Controlling the behaviour of Muslims (via ethnic profiling, Patriot Act etc) violates the rights of Muslims while not actually protecting non-Muslims from anything (except the acceptance of Muslims as fellow citizens).

Placing a fatwa against tomboys violates the rights of women who choose to dress/behave in non-stereotypical feminine ways while not protecting anyone else from anything. How this actually protects society escapes me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Na&#8217;ima:</p>
<p>It depends on who you are protecting and from whom. The US, and a few other Western countries, have put in place laws that control the behaviour of Muslims to protect non-Muslims.</p>
<p>I think the line gets crossed when a portion of the population feels violated and denied their rights, and the control of whose behaviour does not protect anyone from anything. For instance, banning same-sex marriage is a form of controlling behaviour which infringes upon the rights of gays and lesbians AND which does not protect heterosexual people. Controlling the behaviour of Muslims (via ethnic profiling, Patriot Act etc) violates the rights of Muslims while not actually protecting non-Muslims from anything (except the acceptance of Muslims as fellow citizens).</p>
<p>Placing a fatwa against tomboys violates the rights of women who choose to dress/behave in non-stereotypical feminine ways while not protecting anyone else from anything. How this actually protects society escapes me.</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jade

I&#039;m a little bothered by the remark, &quot;Its like living in Translyvania.&quot; What exactly did you mean by that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jade</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little bothered by the remark, &#8220;Its like living in Translyvania.&#8221; What exactly did you mean by that?</p>
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		<title>By: Na'ima B. Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Na'ima B. Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asalaamu alaikum

@ cycad
I would be interested to know how you define the thin line between protection and control. It seems to me that the difference between the two is in the eye of the beholder: what one may view as protection, another may view as control. The same could be said of a whole host of Islamic guidelines/ aspects of Shari&#039;ah law, in particular with regards to women, right?
So how do you as a Muslim and a feminist reconcile these two concepts? Is it ever acceptable to &#039;control&#039; aspects of individuals&#039; lives or the way society is run in order to &#039;protect&#039; its citizens?
Or should that protection only ever relate to one&#039;s physical safety or health, for example, rather than moral or spiritual safety?

Just throwing some thoughts out here, haven&#039;t a firm opinion of my own, but would like to know how you sisters are processing this info.
JazakAllahu khairah
Na&#039;ima</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asalaamu alaikum</p>
<p>@ cycad<br />
I would be interested to know how you define the thin line between protection and control. It seems to me that the difference between the two is in the eye of the beholder: what one may view as protection, another may view as control. The same could be said of a whole host of Islamic guidelines/ aspects of Shari&#8217;ah law, in particular with regards to women, right?<br />
So how do you as a Muslim and a feminist reconcile these two concepts? Is it ever acceptable to &#8216;control&#8217; aspects of individuals&#8217; lives or the way society is run in order to &#8216;protect&#8217; its citizens?<br />
Or should that protection only ever relate to one&#8217;s physical safety or health, for example, rather than moral or spiritual safety?</p>
<p>Just throwing some thoughts out here, haven&#8217;t a firm opinion of my own, but would like to know how you sisters are processing this info.<br />
JazakAllahu khairah<br />
Na&#8217;ima</p>
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		<title>By: Fatemeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fatemeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: cycads</title>
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		<dc:creator>cycads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fatemeh,

There is a really good report on violence in Malaysia here (probably more than two years old though):
http://tinyurl.com/5amrg7

Another report here, scroll down to &#039;Children&#039;:
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41649.htm

And another:
http://tinyurl.com/56t7jl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fatemeh,</p>
<p>There is a really good report on violence in Malaysia here (probably more than two years old though):<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/5amrg7" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5amrg7</a></p>
<p>Another report here, scroll down to &#8216;Children&#8217;:<br />
<a href="http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41649.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41649.htm</a></p>
<p>And another:<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/56t7jl" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/56t7jl</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fatemeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fatemeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Cycads: I&#039;m a bit uncomfortable with the polarizing class implications of a statement like, &quot;rural Malay men are mostly perpetrating these horrific acts,&quot; though I would agree that economy and social construction have a lot to do with rape. Do you have a statistics on perpetrators?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Cycads: I&#8217;m a bit uncomfortable with the polarizing class implications of a statement like, &#8220;rural Malay men are mostly perpetrating these horrific acts,&#8221; though I would agree that economy and social construction have a lot to do with rape. Do you have a statistics on perpetrators?</p>
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		<title>By: cycads</title>
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		<dc:creator>cycads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jade,

I&#039;m sorry that you&#039;ve had the experience of dealing with annoying Malaysian men. Malay men particularly, can be a public nuisance sometimes. It is true that sexual harassment is rife, but not many women know how to tackle such situations, so there are very few who publicly address the issue and actions against it. Dressing down (with hijab, or not) is certainly one way get around ignored by lascivious eyes. Also, putting on a mean face while around Kuala Lumpur always works for me :)

Majority of men don&#039;t try anything more than calling out to you, whistle, or make that horrible &#039;squeaking&#039; sound to get your attention. In that way, they are quite &#039;harmless&#039;. But in Malaysia, no woman can be really safe from the horrors of rape; we&#039;ve had victims who were children, hijabis, and elderly women. Just as many are incestuous rapes. Many of the perpetrators are Malay men who come from the rural parts of country. It&#039;s an economic and social problem, rather than a religious one. This is compounded further by the lack of sex education for village children, men and women.

Getting hold of pornography is easy, easier still are the &#039;moral&#039; magazines containing stories packed with detailed accounts of illicit sex, but always with a moral twist. Nearly every Malay knows about or reads these magazines. They&#039;re like Aesop&#039;s fables for the dirty-minded, and no one has really put a stop to them. No one, not even the muftis on their moral high horses. Perhaps it&#039;s a kind of buffer for repressed sexuality and forbidden fantasies, the way very graphic manga plays a huge part in Japan&#039;s social fabric - to stop people from acting out their darker side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jade,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry that you&#8217;ve had the experience of dealing with annoying Malaysian men. Malay men particularly, can be a public nuisance sometimes. It is true that sexual harassment is rife, but not many women know how to tackle such situations, so there are very few who publicly address the issue and actions against it. Dressing down (with hijab, or not) is certainly one way get around ignored by lascivious eyes. Also, putting on a mean face while around Kuala Lumpur always works for me <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Majority of men don&#8217;t try anything more than calling out to you, whistle, or make that horrible &#8216;squeaking&#8217; sound to get your attention. In that way, they are quite &#8216;harmless&#8217;. But in Malaysia, no woman can be really safe from the horrors of rape; we&#8217;ve had victims who were children, hijabis, and elderly women. Just as many are incestuous rapes. Many of the perpetrators are Malay men who come from the rural parts of country. It&#8217;s an economic and social problem, rather than a religious one. This is compounded further by the lack of sex education for village children, men and women.</p>
<p>Getting hold of pornography is easy, easier still are the &#8216;moral&#8217; magazines containing stories packed with detailed accounts of illicit sex, but always with a moral twist. Nearly every Malay knows about or reads these magazines. They&#8217;re like Aesop&#8217;s fables for the dirty-minded, and no one has really put a stop to them. No one, not even the muftis on their moral high horses. Perhaps it&#8217;s a kind of buffer for repressed sexuality and forbidden fantasies, the way very graphic manga plays a huge part in Japan&#8217;s social fabric &#8211; to stop people from acting out their darker side.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; MMW Weekly Roundup 12.5.08 Talk Islam</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; MMW Weekly Roundup 12.5.08 Talk Islam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week on MMW, we examined the commodification of the burqa, the politics of lust in the Malaysian fatwa against tomboys, pondered gender at the MANA conference, reprimanded the [...] </description>
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		<title>By: jade</title>
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		<dc:creator>jade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hv been expatriate for less than 2 years. Perhaps, one might think my judgements are premature or presumptous. You are right about the fact that if i, being naturally a woman, dressed more like a man than a woman i certainly feel safer. And that&#039;s not because I am a pengkid. Men in malaysia have got this unexplainable ill-intentioned mind that i can read in their eyes. Initially, I dressed very very feminine and ,mind you, that didnt mean alluring super-mini skirts and low-cut blouses. I am confident that I was decent in my fitting polo shirt and long jeans. This seemed to attract crazy wolf-whistling, ogling eyes, lustful smiles and sarcastic lustful comments like &#039;&#039;Hi sayang and hey baby&#039;&#039;,anything that could raise hairs on my arms .It surprised me and disgusted me. Simply abhorrent. Not only do I blame the lorry and truck drivers for this uncivilized low order of intellect but I have personally faced it from trangressing men washing cars at petrol stations, men behind decent cars, not forgetting family cars too, you name it. I have to be subjected to such things most of my days, screaming in my head &#039;&#039;hello, what about some rectitude here?!!&#039;&#039;. Thank God for the mp3, which i bought on purpose, to kill the sarcasm I would have to, otherwise, hear.
Most women in Malaysia have been raised impressively. The man of the house says to cover-up and she does willingly or not. Some of them order the women not to adorn any decorative apparrels but black and they obediently listen. I am not attempting to mock and discourage but point out the strength of a woman and, yet, until today, predominantly in a muslim country, it is &#039;&#039;the women&#039;&#039;. Why was the issue of a woman&#039;s modesty very very important since the days of Christ and Muhammad? Why did they emphasize? Were those Their warnings? And from what? Why should a women&#039;s modesty matter more than a man if we are both humans?. My answer may conflict with many, but yes, I believe God knew the corruption in the minds of men. The lasvicious thoughts that would linger or run wild. I wonder if &#039;&#039;hijab&#039;&#039; is truly for a woman&#039;s modesty or to suppress the sinful and lustful eyes, mind and heart of a man from wandering. In my opinion, I believe that a typical muslim woman strictly takes pride in her modesty as her first priority whereas that is second for men. You may ask, &#039;&#039;Then, what&#039;s first?&#039;&#039; I prefer to think of this injunction as a measure to subjugate their sinful temptations.
Did the fatwa ever care to find out why there were alarming number of pengkid? What must have caused it? I remember I was a tomboy too until I grew out of it but I sense an impending sense of danger upon my modesty as a women of 21. This danger serves as my warning to maintain my masculine self as a female.In short, I don&#039;t want to be a rape victim. If they can viciously rape and murder an 8 year old, Im in no better position. The large number of cars on Malaysian roads are not only because of convenient government loans and cheaper locally-produced cars but the measures taken by extremely worried parents and independent women for themselves from &#039;&#039;animals&#039;&#039;. Lucky them, unfortunately, not everyone of us can afford cars but we make use of daylight and pepper sprays. Its like living in Translyvania. I know better than to walk alone in the darker part of the streets and if it is an emergency that I have to rush out of the house for, obviously, i would dress myself closer to a man than a woman so I would not attract unnecessary attention that may lead to my tragedy. The government cannot protect me from being another rape victim so I have to protect myself. I am not a pengkid but for my own security i have to be one occasionally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hv been expatriate for less than 2 years. Perhaps, one might think my judgements are premature or presumptous. You are right about the fact that if i, being naturally a woman, dressed more like a man than a woman i certainly feel safer. And that&#8217;s not because I am a pengkid. Men in malaysia have got this unexplainable ill-intentioned mind that i can read in their eyes. Initially, I dressed very very feminine and ,mind you, that didnt mean alluring super-mini skirts and low-cut blouses. I am confident that I was decent in my fitting polo shirt and long jeans. This seemed to attract crazy wolf-whistling, ogling eyes, lustful smiles and sarcastic lustful comments like &#8221;Hi sayang and hey baby&#8221;,anything that could raise hairs on my arms .It surprised me and disgusted me. Simply abhorrent. Not only do I blame the lorry and truck drivers for this uncivilized low order of intellect but I have personally faced it from trangressing men washing cars at petrol stations, men behind decent cars, not forgetting family cars too, you name it. I have to be subjected to such things most of my days, screaming in my head &#8221;hello, what about some rectitude here?!!&#8221;. Thank God for the mp3, which i bought on purpose, to kill the sarcasm I would have to, otherwise, hear.<br />
Most women in Malaysia have been raised impressively. The man of the house says to cover-up and she does willingly or not. Some of them order the women not to adorn any decorative apparrels but black and they obediently listen. I am not attempting to mock and discourage but point out the strength of a woman and, yet, until today, predominantly in a muslim country, it is &#8221;the women&#8221;. Why was the issue of a woman&#8217;s modesty very very important since the days of Christ and Muhammad? Why did they emphasize? Were those Their warnings? And from what? Why should a women&#8217;s modesty matter more than a man if we are both humans?. My answer may conflict with many, but yes, I believe God knew the corruption in the minds of men. The lasvicious thoughts that would linger or run wild. I wonder if &#8221;hijab&#8221; is truly for a woman&#8217;s modesty or to suppress the sinful and lustful eyes, mind and heart of a man from wandering. In my opinion, I believe that a typical muslim woman strictly takes pride in her modesty as her first priority whereas that is second for men. You may ask, &#8221;Then, what&#8217;s first?&#8221; I prefer to think of this injunction as a measure to subjugate their sinful temptations.<br />
Did the fatwa ever care to find out why there were alarming number of pengkid? What must have caused it? I remember I was a tomboy too until I grew out of it but I sense an impending sense of danger upon my modesty as a women of 21. This danger serves as my warning to maintain my masculine self as a female.In short, I don&#8217;t want to be a rape victim. If they can viciously rape and murder an 8 year old, Im in no better position. The large number of cars on Malaysian roads are not only because of convenient government loans and cheaper locally-produced cars but the measures taken by extremely worried parents and independent women for themselves from &#8221;animals&#8221;. Lucky them, unfortunately, not everyone of us can afford cars but we make use of daylight and pepper sprays. Its like living in Translyvania. I know better than to walk alone in the darker part of the streets and if it is an emergency that I have to rush out of the house for, obviously, i would dress myself closer to a man than a woman so I would not attract unnecessary attention that may lead to my tragedy. The government cannot protect me from being another rape victim so I have to protect myself. I am not a pengkid but for my own security i have to be one occasionally.</p>
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