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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2008/12/thoughts-on-mana-conference/#comment-3064</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Faith:

&quot;Also, I just felt like, &#039;Can’t we defend women’s right to wear hijab without accusing non-Muslims of being shallow, body-obsessesed maniacs and without making it seem that hijab makes you into super woman!?&#039;&quot;

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY, WORD-FOR-WORD.  This kind of stereotyping not only makes non-hijabi Muslim women out to be like those &quot;slutty westerners&quot; (further reinforcing that absurd stereotype), but also is not true to the reality of wearing hijab at all.  As a hijabi, I can say I feel suffocated by this assumption that hijabis are superhuman.  We as Muslims are so obsessed with trying to defend hijab before non-Muslims, that we fail to address the de-humanizing views that exist in our own community towards both hijabis and non-hijabis.

I&#039;m surprised MANA was as segregated as ISNA and ICNA.  I&#039;ve been to the latter two, but not yet to MANA.  I assumed that since ISNA/ICNA are mainly run by immigrant Muslims, that they would be far more strict about segregation than indigenous-Muslim-run MANA.  Maybe this is my ignorance, but I&#039;ve generally been under the impression that aside from the pockets of Salafi influence, the indigenous Muslim community is generally more secure with itself when it comes to these issues and therefore not as segregation-obsessed.  But perhaps it occurred this time because the conf was in Philly, where having lived there I know the Salafi influence is very strong.

@Sobia:
Great responses to the gender segregation issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Faith:</p>
<p>&#8220;Also, I just felt like, &#8216;Can’t we defend women’s right to wear hijab without accusing non-Muslims of being shallow, body-obsessesed maniacs and without making it seem that hijab makes you into super woman!?&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY, WORD-FOR-WORD.  This kind of stereotyping not only makes non-hijabi Muslim women out to be like those &#8220;slutty westerners&#8221; (further reinforcing that absurd stereotype), but also is not true to the reality of wearing hijab at all.  As a hijabi, I can say I feel suffocated by this assumption that hijabis are superhuman.  We as Muslims are so obsessed with trying to defend hijab before non-Muslims, that we fail to address the de-humanizing views that exist in our own community towards both hijabis and non-hijabis.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised MANA was as segregated as ISNA and ICNA.  I&#8217;ve been to the latter two, but not yet to MANA.  I assumed that since ISNA/ICNA are mainly run by immigrant Muslims, that they would be far more strict about segregation than indigenous-Muslim-run MANA.  Maybe this is my ignorance, but I&#8217;ve generally been under the impression that aside from the pockets of Salafi influence, the indigenous Muslim community is generally more secure with itself when it comes to these issues and therefore not as segregation-obsessed.  But perhaps it occurred this time because the conf was in Philly, where having lived there I know the Salafi influence is very strong.</p>
<p>@Sobia:<br />
Great responses to the gender segregation issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Sobia</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2008/12/thoughts-on-mana-conference/#comment-3063</link>
		<dc:creator>Sobia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tulip:

As a Muslimah who is &quot;obsessed&quot; with being in close quarters with Muslim men let me try an explain why, for me at least.

- This is not a new trend. Men and women prayed in the same room, without any barriers, during the Prophet&#039;s time and in his mosque. Something that started 1500 years ago cannot be called new.

- Personally, I feel there is nothing immodest or un-Islamic about being in &quot;close quarters&quot; with men. I grew up in a small Muslim community and we had no choice but to pray in &quot;close quarters&quot;  - ie in the same room. There were no barriers and no problems. Muslimahs like myself who are &quot;obsessed&quot; have seen this system work very well and successfully Alhumdollilahf.

- Many Muslimahs, like myself, feel like being separated in such a harsh manner so as to have physical barriers between men and women otherizes us and inferiorizes us. If things really were egalitarian then the Imam should take turns speaking - one time in the men&#039;s section, then next time in the women&#039;s. The men&#039;s section gets all the &quot;knowledge&quot; and the women&#039;s get noisy children. This doesn&#039;t seem fair to women like myself.

To other women the benefits outweigh the problems - to women like me, the problems outweigh the benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tulip:</p>
<p>As a Muslimah who is &#8220;obsessed&#8221; with being in close quarters with Muslim men let me try an explain why, for me at least.</p>
<p>- This is not a new trend. Men and women prayed in the same room, without any barriers, during the Prophet&#8217;s time and in his mosque. Something that started 1500 years ago cannot be called new.</p>
<p>- Personally, I feel there is nothing immodest or un-Islamic about being in &#8220;close quarters&#8221; with men. I grew up in a small Muslim community and we had no choice but to pray in &#8220;close quarters&#8221;  &#8211; ie in the same room. There were no barriers and no problems. Muslimahs like myself who are &#8220;obsessed&#8221; have seen this system work very well and successfully Alhumdollilahf.</p>
<p>- Many Muslimahs, like myself, feel like being separated in such a harsh manner so as to have physical barriers between men and women otherizes us and inferiorizes us. If things really were egalitarian then the Imam should take turns speaking &#8211; one time in the men&#8217;s section, then next time in the women&#8217;s. The men&#8217;s section gets all the &#8220;knowledge&#8221; and the women&#8217;s get noisy children. This doesn&#8217;t seem fair to women like myself.</p>
<p>To other women the benefits outweigh the problems &#8211; to women like me, the problems outweigh the benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Tulip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tulip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lack of separation at MANA, ISNA and ICNA is one of the main reasons that keeps me away from them.  I will never understand this new trend of Muslimahs obsessed with being in close quarters with the brothers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lack of separation at MANA, ISNA and ICNA is one of the main reasons that keeps me away from them.  I will never understand this new trend of Muslimahs obsessed with being in close quarters with the brothers.</p>
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		<title>By: Faith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaam and &#039;Eid Mubarak to you all!

@ Fatemeh: I&#039;ve only been to one event sponsored by ISNA but it wasn&#039;t their main conference. It was an education summit and I liked it. I thought it was pretty productive.

@Jamerican: Yeah, the Salafi presence this time around was pretty big. My husband got into a bit of a heated exchange with a security guard who I&#039;m pretty certain was a Salafi. He was upset that my husband was looking for me in the &quot;sisters&quot; area outside the hall where the jumu&#039;ah took place. Bizaare!

@musicalchef: ITA!

@Haleemah: I&#039;m not sure what you mean by we are not suppose to pray with men. During the first day of the conference, women weren&#039;t praying with men but praying about 3-5 feet behind them. The second day a partition went up.

@Sobia: Thanks for the link!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaam and &#8216;Eid Mubarak to you all!</p>
<p>@ Fatemeh: I&#8217;ve only been to one event sponsored by ISNA but it wasn&#8217;t their main conference. It was an education summit and I liked it. I thought it was pretty productive.</p>
<p>@Jamerican: Yeah, the Salafi presence this time around was pretty big. My husband got into a bit of a heated exchange with a security guard who I&#8217;m pretty certain was a Salafi. He was upset that my husband was looking for me in the &#8220;sisters&#8221; area outside the hall where the jumu&#8217;ah took place. Bizaare!</p>
<p>@musicalchef: ITA!</p>
<p>@Haleemah: I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by we are not suppose to pray with men. During the first day of the conference, women weren&#8217;t praying with men but praying about 3-5 feet behind them. The second day a partition went up.</p>
<p>@Sobia: Thanks for the link!</p>
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		<title>By: Sobia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sobia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Haleemah:

Many Muslims believe it is fine to pray with the men. I&#039;ve been to mosques/gathering where men and women pray in the same room. So this is not the case across the board.

You should check out the documentary &quot;Me and the Mosque.&quot;

This is part one of 6.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPgQtDB318Y</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Haleemah:</p>
<p>Many Muslims believe it is fine to pray with the men. I&#8217;ve been to mosques/gathering where men and women pray in the same room. So this is not the case across the board.</p>
<p>You should check out the documentary &#8220;Me and the Mosque.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is part one of 6.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPgQtDB318Y" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPgQtDB318Y</a></p>
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		<title>By: Haleemah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haleemah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoy all your post, I personally did not enjoy Mana actually i didnt even stay after the fact that I spoke to about 6 sisters and know onw gave sallaams back. So Me and my sister left I dont think I would go back again next year and we had free tickets. Also we are not supposed to pray with the men, you dont pray with them at the masjid so im a little confused why this would be upsetting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy all your post, I personally did not enjoy Mana actually i didnt even stay after the fact that I spoke to about 6 sisters and know onw gave sallaams back. So Me and my sister left I dont think I would go back again next year and we had free tickets. Also we are not supposed to pray with the men, you dont pray with them at the masjid so im a little confused why this would be upsetting?</p>
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		<title>By: musicalchef</title>
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		<dc:creator>musicalchef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;veil&quot; cliche really has got to go!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;veil&#8221; cliche really has got to go!</p>
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		<title>By: Jamerican Muslimah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamerican Muslimah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ASA, I&#039;m not surprised by the separation considering that it&#039;s in Philly which has a large Salafi community. Unfortunately, I was unable to attend this year. Last year I had a good time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASA, I&#8217;m not surprised by the separation considering that it&#8217;s in Philly which has a large Salafi community. Unfortunately, I was unable to attend this year. Last year I had a good time.</p>
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		<title>By: Fatemeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fatemeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No need to apologize! :D

Thanks for writing about this. I didn&#039;t know a lot about the MANA conference, and it&#039;s interesting to see your take on it. Have you ever been to any ISNA conferences? What are your takes on those?

The gender segregation thing is pretty interesting, too. I wonder if this is a trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No need to apologize! <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for writing about this. I didn&#8217;t know a lot about the MANA conference, and it&#8217;s interesting to see your take on it. Have you ever been to any ISNA conferences? What are your takes on those?</p>
<p>The gender segregation thing is pretty interesting, too. I wonder if this is a trend.</p>
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