Comments on: The Mother of All Sins: Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno’S Caning http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2009/07/the-mother-of-all-sins-kartika-sari-dewi-shukarnos-caning/ Looking at Muslim women in the media and pop culture Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:07:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Allahu Akbar » Öldrickande fotomodell får spöstraff http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2009/07/the-mother-of-all-sins-kartika-sari-dewi-shukarnos-caning/#comment-6836 Allahu Akbar » Öldrickande fotomodell får spöstraff Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:36:21 +0000 http://muslimahmediawatch.org/?p=4273#comment-6836 [...] ,Muslimmediawatch, Everymuslim,islamiska.org, SvT, Telegraph Categories: Haditerna, Islam, Muhammed, koranen, [...] [...] ,Muslimmediawatch, Everymuslim,islamiska.org, SvT, Telegraph Categories: Haditerna, Islam, Muhammed, koranen, [...]

]]> By: rizal http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2009/07/the-mother-of-all-sins-kartika-sari-dewi-shukarnos-caning/#comment-6835 rizal Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:18:15 +0000 http://muslimahmediawatch.org/?p=4273#comment-6835 shukri: lots of people park illegally, why i am fined but not others? double standard from the city council. Lots of people smoke in hospital, why i am bashed out but not others? double standard from the hospital. lots of people drive recklessly, why i am fined but no others? double standard from the police. lots of people engage in homosexual intercourse, why i am charged for sodomy but no others? double standar from the police. lots of people sell pirated dvds, why i am fined but no others? and the list go on and on an on. Escaping legal enforcement is a matter of luck, bro. If you are caught, & deep in your heart you know have done wrong, sigh and pray one day you will be lucky. Haha. shukri: lots of people park illegally, why i am fined but not others? double standard from the city council. Lots of people smoke in hospital, why i am bashed out but not others? double standard from the hospital. lots of people drive recklessly, why i am fined but no others? double standard from the police. lots of people engage in homosexual intercourse, why i am charged for sodomy but no others? double standar from the police. lots of people sell pirated dvds, why i am fined but no others? and the list go on and on an on.

Escaping legal enforcement is a matter of luck, bro. If you are caught, & deep in your heart you know have done wrong, sigh and pray one day you will be lucky. Haha.

]]> By: hidayah http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2009/07/the-mother-of-all-sins-kartika-sari-dewi-shukarnos-caning/#comment-6834 hidayah Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:36:16 +0000 http://muslimahmediawatch.org/?p=4273#comment-6834 Kartika from Malaysia not Singapore. Please correct this. Kartika from Malaysia not Singapore. Please correct this.

]]> By: shukri http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2009/07/the-mother-of-all-sins-kartika-sari-dewi-shukarnos-caning/#comment-6833 shukri Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:53:35 +0000 http://muslimahmediawatch.org/?p=4273#comment-6833 Is she is the only Muslim who consumed alcohol on that day? Pretty sure, there are more people did the same thing. What happened to the rest? Why only her deserved the punishment? Double standard from the religious department. Is she is the only Muslim who consumed alcohol on that day? Pretty sure, there are more people did the same thing. What happened to the rest? Why only her deserved the punishment? Double standard from the religious department.

]]> By: Richard http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2009/07/the-mother-of-all-sins-kartika-sari-dewi-shukarnos-caning/#comment-6832 Richard Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:23:52 +0000 http://muslimahmediawatch.org/?p=4273#comment-6832 Isn't the inherant problem that there exists two separate legal systems in what pertains to be a modern civilised country, that is metred out according to your surname? As I understand it, the "felon" is not a Malysian national, but can be tried in a Shariah court because she has a Muslim name. If Malaysia chooses to make alcohol illegal, like it is in some countries, that is a matter for their politicians. Should the law not apply equally to all, regardless of gender, race, or ethnicity, or am i speaking like an ignorant Western liberal? Isn’t the inherant problem that there exists two separate legal systems in what pertains to be a modern civilised country, that is metred out according to your surname?

As I understand it, the “felon” is not a Malysian national, but can be tried in a Shariah court because she has a Muslim name.

If Malaysia chooses to make alcohol illegal, like it is in some countries, that is a matter for their politicians. Should the law not apply equally to all, regardless of gender, race, or ethnicity, or am i speaking like an ignorant Western liberal?

]]> By: Anon http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2009/07/the-mother-of-all-sins-kartika-sari-dewi-shukarnos-caning/#comment-6831 Anon Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:39:17 +0000 http://muslimahmediawatch.org/?p=4273#comment-6831 MuslimahX - there's a difference between being in a state of drunkenness, and drinking beer. Furthermore, wine and beer are not the same thing. Just because Muhammad gave certain punishments in certain cases does it necessarily mean those punishments should apply in every case? There may have been history and context behind certain cases that's not mentioned in the hadith. The drunkard could have hurt other people, for instance. If the cases and punishments are not the same, then I think one should beware of applying the same punishment for something that might be a very different case. Lastly, what is the current Syariah punishment for a father raping his daughter? Is it more severe than the punishment for drinking beer? MuslimahX – there’s a difference between being in a state of drunkenness, and drinking beer. Furthermore, wine and beer are not the same thing.

Just because Muhammad gave certain punishments in certain cases does it necessarily mean those punishments should apply in every case? There may have been history and context behind certain cases that’s not mentioned in the hadith. The drunkard could have hurt other people, for instance.

If the cases and punishments are not the same, then I think one should beware of applying the same punishment for something that might be a very different case.

Lastly, what is the current Syariah punishment for a father raping his daughter? Is it more severe than the punishment for drinking beer?

]]> By: Daniel http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2009/07/the-mother-of-all-sins-kartika-sari-dewi-shukarnos-caning/#comment-6830 Daniel Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:06:54 +0000 http://muslimahmediawatch.org/?p=4273#comment-6830 Technically, the shariah punishment will apply if the act of drinking was done in public regardless of if it was committed in a privately owned hotel. Technically, the shariah punishment will apply if the act of drinking was done in public regardless of if it was committed in a privately owned hotel.

]]> By: phil http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2009/07/the-mother-of-all-sins-kartika-sari-dewi-shukarnos-caning/#comment-6828 phil Mon, 03 Aug 2009 06:09:19 +0000 http://muslimahmediawatch.org/?p=4273#comment-6828 Technically isn't a hotel a private property, thus per the actual sunnah, the shariah punishment on drinking doesn't apply? Technically isn’t a hotel a private property, thus per the actual sunnah, the shariah punishment on drinking doesn’t apply?

]]> By: MuslimahX http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2009/07/the-mother-of-all-sins-kartika-sari-dewi-shukarnos-caning/#comment-6829 MuslimahX Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:18:09 +0000 http://muslimahmediawatch.org/?p=4273#comment-6829 No that punishment is not mentioned in the Quran but it is in the sunnah... Hadith - Bukhari 3:509, Narrated 'Uqba bin Al-Harith When An-Nuaman or his son was brought in a state of drunkenness, Allah's Apostle ordered all those who were present in the house to beat him. I was one of those who beat him. We beat him with shoes and palm-leaf stalks. Hadith - Bukhari 8:764, Narrated Anas bin Malik The Prophet beat a drunk with palm-leaf stalks and shoes. And Abu Bakr gave (such a sinner) forty lashes. Hadith - Bukhari 8:768, Narrated Abu Salama Abu Huraira said, "A man who drank wine was brought to the Prophet . The Prophet said, 'Beat him!' " Abu Huraira added, "So some of us beat him with our hands, and some with their shoes, and some with their garments (by twisting it) like a lash, and then when we finished, someone said to him, 'May Allah disgrace you!' On that the Prophet said, 'Do not say so, for you are helping Satan to overpower him.' " I wonder why you left that out. No that punishment is not mentioned in the Quran but it is in the sunnah…

Hadith – Bukhari 3:509, Narrated ‘Uqba bin Al-Harith

When An-Nuaman or his son was brought in a state of drunkenness, Allah’s Apostle ordered all those who were present in the house to beat him. I was one of those who beat him. We beat him with shoes and palm-leaf stalks.

Hadith – Bukhari 8:764, Narrated Anas bin Malik

The Prophet beat a drunk with palm-leaf stalks and shoes. And Abu Bakr gave (such a sinner) forty lashes.

Hadith – Bukhari 8:768, Narrated Abu Salama

Abu Huraira said, “A man who drank wine was brought to the Prophet . The Prophet said, ‘Beat him!’ ” Abu Huraira added, “So some of us beat him with our hands, and some with their shoes, and some with their garments (by twisting it) like a lash, and then when we finished, someone said to him, ‘May Allah disgrace you!’ On that the Prophet said, ‘Do not say so, for you are helping Satan to overpower him.’ ”

I wonder why you left that out.

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