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	<title>Comments on: Material Girls: Talking about Gender and Consumerism at ISNA</title>
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		<title>By: Visiting the Hijab&#8230; Again. &#171; Nuseiba</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2009/08/material-girls-talking-about-gender-and-consumerism-at-isna/#comment-7010</link>
		<dc:creator>Visiting the Hijab&#8230; Again. &#171; Nuseiba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] given the space and power to discuss everything else which affects Muslims. Krista at MMW made a similar point when reviewing a forum organised by ISNA. Another point which Hussein highlights is the obsession [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Fatemeh</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2009/08/material-girls-talking-about-gender-and-consumerism-at-isna/#comment-7009</link>
		<dc:creator>Fatemeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TopSecret: And we&#039;re done. Not nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TopSecret: And we&#8217;re done. Not nice.</p>
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		<title>By: TopSecret</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2009/08/material-girls-talking-about-gender-and-consumerism-at-isna/#comment-7008</link>
		<dc:creator>TopSecret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meow, I guess I hit a sore spot with that.  Critical thinking eh?  

Can you convey the story of Aisha leading men into war?  Do you ignore all other ayats and hadith that tell us not to speak to mixed crowds?  

And yes, I mostly stay away from your site, but its like looking at a car wreck, I just can&#039;t not do it sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meow, I guess I hit a sore spot with that.  Critical thinking eh?  </p>
<p>Can you convey the story of Aisha leading men into war?  Do you ignore all other ayats and hadith that tell us not to speak to mixed crowds?  </p>
<p>And yes, I mostly stay away from your site, but its like looking at a car wreck, I just can&#8217;t not do it sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Krista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ TopSecret:
Although I vehemently disagree with your suggestion that &quot;women should not be speaking to mixed crowds,&quot; that did cross my mind as a possible reason why there were so few women speakers; however, there were several female moderators, so I don&#039;t think that that was a perspective that influenced the conference organisers.

Yes, sometimes MMW writers have negative things to say in many of our posts.  As you&#039;ll notice, MMW also covers media on Muslim women that we feel does a good job - it&#039;s not all complaining.  However, as a site that looks critically at the way that Muslim women are discussed in the media, it shouldn&#039;t be a surprise that we might have negative things to say every so often.

Moreover, if you look at this post itself, MOST of the post is talking about positive elements of the conference.  Yes, there is complaining involved.  There is also a lot of praise.  You seem to disagree, and that&#039;s fine, and you don&#039;t have to read MMW if you don&#039;t find value in our writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ TopSecret:<br />
Although I vehemently disagree with your suggestion that &#8220;women should not be speaking to mixed crowds,&#8221; that did cross my mind as a possible reason why there were so few women speakers; however, there were several female moderators, so I don&#8217;t think that that was a perspective that influenced the conference organisers.</p>
<p>Yes, sometimes MMW writers have negative things to say in many of our posts.  As you&#8217;ll notice, MMW also covers media on Muslim women that we feel does a good job &#8211; it&#8217;s not all complaining.  However, as a site that looks critically at the way that Muslim women are discussed in the media, it shouldn&#8217;t be a surprise that we might have negative things to say every so often.</p>
<p>Moreover, if you look at this post itself, MOST of the post is talking about positive elements of the conference.  Yes, there is complaining involved.  There is also a lot of praise.  You seem to disagree, and that&#8217;s fine, and you don&#8217;t have to read MMW if you don&#8217;t find value in our writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Sobia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sobia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ TopSecret:

You are more than welcome to not read MMW. And it&#039;s not complaining. It&#039;s called critical thinking.  

And women can absolutely speak to mixed audiences. Didn&#039;t Aisha (pbuh) lead an all male army in war? If a woman can lead a male army then I&#039;m thinking speaking in front of a mixed gender crowd would be a non-issue. 

Can your misogyny be any more apparent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ TopSecret:</p>
<p>You are more than welcome to not read MMW. And it&#8217;s not complaining. It&#8217;s called critical thinking.  </p>
<p>And women can absolutely speak to mixed audiences. Didn&#8217;t Aisha (pbuh) lead an all male army in war? If a woman can lead a male army then I&#8217;m thinking speaking in front of a mixed gender crowd would be a non-issue. </p>
<p>Can your misogyny be any more apparent?</p>
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		<title>By: TopSecret</title>
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		<dc:creator>TopSecret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I highly doubt this would be the reason considering how liberal ISNA is, but perhaps they realized that women should not be speaking to mixed crowds and asked the sister to do a topic that would appeal more widely to sisters.  

I&#039;m convinced after reading a few posts on MMW that it should be called MMC or Muslimah Media Complaints.  that is all it seems to be.  Lots and lots of complaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I highly doubt this would be the reason considering how liberal ISNA is, but perhaps they realized that women should not be speaking to mixed crowds and asked the sister to do a topic that would appeal more widely to sisters.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m convinced after reading a few posts on MMW that it should be called MMC or Muslimah Media Complaints.  that is all it seems to be.  Lots and lots of complaining.</p>
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		<title>By: Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Link Farm, Replacement Tongue Edition</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Link Farm, Replacement Tongue Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Krista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all your comments!

@ Ibn al-Halal: I know several people who have made requests to conference organisers about precisely this issue, including sending lists of possible speakers they should consider.  So far, it doesn&#039;t seem to have worked.  Insha&#039;Allah they will get the message eventually.

That said, one thing that I forgot to mention in my post is that there were female moderators at several of the panels, so I was glad to see that at least, although it doesn&#039;t make up for the lack of female speakers.

@ Naksibendi Muslimah: Thanks for sharing your experiences.  I don&#039;t have a lot to add, but totally agree with you.  And yes, I&#039;ve heard that Imam Zaid and other scholars have also raised the issue of the lack of female speakers, but I&#039;m not sure to what degree it has been a priority for them.  Anyway, it continues to be hugely frustrating...

@ Ginny: Wa alaikum assalaam.  Thanks so much for your comment, and no need to apologise for it being long - it is really interesting to hear your thoughts on it.  I should maybe clarify that Khedr did say in her speech that if the opportunity to acquire sight came up, she might consider it, but that it&#039;s not something she feels a need to put a lot of thought into, or to actively seek out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all your comments!</p>
<p>@ Ibn al-Halal: I know several people who have made requests to conference organisers about precisely this issue, including sending lists of possible speakers they should consider.  So far, it doesn&#8217;t seem to have worked.  Insha&#8217;Allah they will get the message eventually.</p>
<p>That said, one thing that I forgot to mention in my post is that there were female moderators at several of the panels, so I was glad to see that at least, although it doesn&#8217;t make up for the lack of female speakers.</p>
<p>@ Naksibendi Muslimah: Thanks for sharing your experiences.  I don&#8217;t have a lot to add, but totally agree with you.  And yes, I&#8217;ve heard that Imam Zaid and other scholars have also raised the issue of the lack of female speakers, but I&#8217;m not sure to what degree it has been a priority for them.  Anyway, it continues to be hugely frustrating&#8230;</p>
<p>@ Ginny: Wa alaikum assalaam.  Thanks so much for your comment, and no need to apologise for it being long &#8211; it is really interesting to hear your thoughts on it.  I should maybe clarify that Khedr did say in her speech that if the opportunity to acquire sight came up, she might consider it, but that it&#8217;s not something she feels a need to put a lot of thought into, or to actively seek out.</p>
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		<title>By: RCHOUDH</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCHOUDH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful thought provoking article and I love Ms. Khedr&#039;s speech! And you&#039;re right I never thought I would hear Madonna being quoted at an Islamic event LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful thought provoking article and I love Ms. Khedr&#8217;s speech! And you&#8217;re right I never thought I would hear Madonna being quoted at an Islamic event LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Ginny Quick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginny Quick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalamu alaikum, as a blind Muslim as well, I can definitely agree with the sentiments expressed by Rabia, in fact, that&#039;s pretty much how I feel, blindness is a challenge, yes, an inconvenience at times, but even before I became Muslim, I was raised to view it merely as something to overcome or to be accommodated, not a &quot;defect&quot;.  I am happy with how I am, and feel that God has made me this way for a reason, especially given the fact that I was born prematurely, and very well may not have been here at all.   So being blind really isn&#039;t a problem.  Now as to whether or not I&#039;d want my sight, that&#039;s a hard question to answer, I saw a web video for a brainport, a device that is hard to explain but somehow uses tactile stimulation via the tongue and that someone interfaces withthe visual regions of the brain, allowing a blind person to get an idea of their surroundings, that&#039;s a terrible description I know, but I brng this up merely to say that when I learned of this device, I was very excited about it, it reminded me of Geordi of Star Trek and his visor and I thought how maybe we&#039;re not as far from that as we think we are.  But anyway, I used to not think that I&#039;d want my sight back, however, I&#039;m not so sure.  I&#039;m happy with how I am, but the opportunity to see would also be a hard thing to resist especially if it meant that I&#039;d be able to do something as simple as finding a coin I&#039;d dropped.  Anyway, sorry for the long comment.  Assalamu alaikum and take care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalamu alaikum, as a blind Muslim as well, I can definitely agree with the sentiments expressed by Rabia, in fact, that&#8217;s pretty much how I feel, blindness is a challenge, yes, an inconvenience at times, but even before I became Muslim, I was raised to view it merely as something to overcome or to be accommodated, not a &#8220;defect&#8221;.  I am happy with how I am, and feel that God has made me this way for a reason, especially given the fact that I was born prematurely, and very well may not have been here at all.   So being blind really isn&#8217;t a problem.  Now as to whether or not I&#8217;d want my sight, that&#8217;s a hard question to answer, I saw a web video for a brainport, a device that is hard to explain but somehow uses tactile stimulation via the tongue and that someone interfaces withthe visual regions of the brain, allowing a blind person to get an idea of their surroundings, that&#8217;s a terrible description I know, but I brng this up merely to say that when I learned of this device, I was very excited about it, it reminded me of Geordi of Star Trek and his visor and I thought how maybe we&#8217;re not as far from that as we think we are.  But anyway, I used to not think that I&#8217;d want my sight back, however, I&#8217;m not so sure.  I&#8217;m happy with how I am, but the opportunity to see would also be a hard thing to resist especially if it meant that I&#8217;d be able to do something as simple as finding a coin I&#8217;d dropped.  Anyway, sorry for the long comment.  Assalamu alaikum and take care.</p>
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