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	<title>Comments on: Friday Links &#8212; December 11, 2009</title>
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	<description>Looking at Muslim women in the media and pop culture</description>
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		<title>By: Zahra (with a Z)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zahra (with a Z)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Princesse de Cleves, islamogauchiste

That is a very interesting debate; thank you for the links. I have to say I found Massad less than convincing despite some very good points about gay Western cultural imperialism; the claim that homosexuality and heterosexuality were invented in the 19th c is undercut quite a bit by the fact that he ignores the Arab social categories for sexuality and same-sex desire (including in-groups and out-groups) before that time.

Also, I am tired of reading pieces about x topic (homosexuality, say), and then coming across the throwaway line that the author&#039;s not including women because not enough other scholars have covered the topic. Either come out and say you&#039;re talking about male homosexuality, or do the research and redress this imbalance. Don&#039;t just pretend women don&#039;t exist, or matter enough to include.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Princesse de Cleves, islamogauchiste</p>
<p>That is a very interesting debate; thank you for the links. I have to say I found Massad less than convincing despite some very good points about gay Western cultural imperialism; the claim that homosexuality and heterosexuality were invented in the 19th c is undercut quite a bit by the fact that he ignores the Arab social categories for sexuality and same-sex desire (including in-groups and out-groups) before that time.</p>
<p>Also, I am tired of reading pieces about x topic (homosexuality, say), and then coming across the throwaway line that the author&#8217;s not including women because not enough other scholars have covered the topic. Either come out and say you&#8217;re talking about male homosexuality, or do the research and redress this imbalance. Don&#8217;t just pretend women don&#8217;t exist, or matter enough to include.</p>
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		<title>By: Princesse de Clèves, islamogauchiste</title>
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		<dc:creator>Princesse de Clèves, islamogauchiste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting debate on Reset Doc. 
Joseph Massad&#039;s analysis is just great and not as simplistic and hateful as Ghassan Makarem wants it too be. &quot;Homosexuality and heterosexuality were both produced in Western Europe and the United States in the nineteenth century.&quot;

1) The West and the Orientalism of sexuality (Joseph Massad talks to Ernesto Pagano)
http://www.resetdoc.org/EN/Massad-interview-gay.php

2) We are not agents of the West (Ghassan Makarem replies to Joseph Massad)
http://www.resetdoc.org/EN/Helem-replies-Massad.php

3) «I criticize Gay Internationalists, not gays» (Joseph Massad counter-replies to Ghassan Makarem)
http://www.resetdoc.org/EN/Massad-counter-replies.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting debate on Reset Doc.<br />
Joseph Massad&#8217;s analysis is just great and not as simplistic and hateful as Ghassan Makarem wants it too be. &#8220;Homosexuality and heterosexuality were both produced in Western Europe and the United States in the nineteenth century.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) The West and the Orientalism of sexuality (Joseph Massad talks to Ernesto Pagano)<br />
<a href="http://www.resetdoc.org/EN/Massad-interview-gay.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.resetdoc.org/EN/Massad-interview-gay.php</a></p>
<p>2) We are not agents of the West (Ghassan Makarem replies to Joseph Massad)<br />
<a href="http://www.resetdoc.org/EN/Helem-replies-Massad.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.resetdoc.org/EN/Helem-replies-Massad.php</a></p>
<p>3) «I criticize Gay Internationalists, not gays» (Joseph Massad counter-replies to Ghassan Makarem)<br />
<a href="http://www.resetdoc.org/EN/Massad-counter-replies.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.resetdoc.org/EN/Massad-counter-replies.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2009/12/friday-links-december-11-2009/#comment-7611</link>
		<dc:creator>Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope something really bad happens to those 2 Liverpool assholes for their racist, xenophobic assaults on that poor woman. Stupid jerks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope something really bad happens to those 2 Liverpool assholes for their racist, xenophobic assaults on that poor woman. Stupid jerks.</p>
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