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	<title>Comments on: The Poor White Women: Yasmin Alibhai-Brown on White Female Converts</title>
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		<title>By: Umm Abdullah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Umm Abdullah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly, this women is not putting her point across, she is attacking converts (reverts)..mainly white and of a certain age. After reading this article it made me frown, why?...Because here you have a muslim attacking another muslim which is so shocking. If yasmin does not agree with the way they live their life and their beliefs, what is it to her. I put it down to feelings of guilt, when a muslim feels they need to judge another muslim its because they feel guilt and need to justify why they aren&#039;t doing a certain thing. Yasmin and Dr Taj Hargey are two muslims that always seize to amaze me they have alot to say but yet they only voice it on muslims and how they should conform to a liberal and moderate way of life (this usually referring to do as you want, take the parts you desire). Clearly this is not what the deen is about, if it is was then prophets &amp; messengers would not have been sent. but clearly they were, for guidance and it is for us to follow and observe strictly and completly (as many people hate or fear to say).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, this women is not putting her point across, she is attacking converts (reverts)..mainly white and of a certain age. After reading this article it made me frown, why?&#8230;Because here you have a muslim attacking another muslim which is so shocking. If yasmin does not agree with the way they live their life and their beliefs, what is it to her. I put it down to feelings of guilt, when a muslim feels they need to judge another muslim its because they feel guilt and need to justify why they aren&#8217;t doing a certain thing. Yasmin and Dr Taj Hargey are two muslims that always seize to amaze me they have alot to say but yet they only voice it on muslims and how they should conform to a liberal and moderate way of life (this usually referring to do as you want, take the parts you desire). Clearly this is not what the deen is about, if it is was then prophets &amp; messengers would not have been sent. but clearly they were, for guidance and it is for us to follow and observe strictly and completly (as many people hate or fear to say).</p>
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		<title>By: Finding Bibi &#187; Monday Morning Roundup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finding Bibi &#187; Monday Morning Roundup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Poor White Women: Yasmin Alibhai-Brown on White Female Converts, Muslimah Media Watch [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Ayeshter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ayeshter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh MMW commentators....such sagely wisdom. If only more people could here you.

It seems as a white convert, you can&#039;t really do right. If your not very conservitive, your sabatoging the religion with your horrible debauched western ways. If your conservitive, your holding the entier Ummah back with your attension seeking mimicing. I&#039;m so bloody tired of people making the following cousal connection for better or worse:

White convert=rejecting all that is western and therfore &quot;haraam&quot;(wheather negitive or positive depends on the speaker)--Muslim Ideal/Muslim Threat--Sign of Islam&#039;s ascendency or regression.

What boggeles my mind is this....there are how many billion Muslims in this world? In how many countries? From how many cultures? Islam was spread becouse of radid conversition (with various motivations). God knows I have been to many many conferaces where the speaker had anouced that (prepare for cliche) &quot;Islam is the worlds fastest growing religion&quot;. As one can imagine, conversion contributes to this. So if this is such an aknologed and highly toted fact and conversion plays such a big role in Islamic history, why is this still sensationalised so much? Can&#039;t this just be seen as a normitive religious growth? Why do we have to make it so polemic?

What do white converts want? The be seen as MUSLIMS before CONVERTS. To not have their deep and higly personal religious convictions made into a political tug of war.

DISCLAIMER: This only applies to white converts. If you are a convert of color, be perpared to be overlooked. By everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh MMW commentators&#8230;.such sagely wisdom. If only more people could here you.</p>
<p>It seems as a white convert, you can&#8217;t really do right. If your not very conservitive, your sabatoging the religion with your horrible debauched western ways. If your conservitive, your holding the entier Ummah back with your attension seeking mimicing. I&#8217;m so bloody tired of people making the following cousal connection for better or worse:</p>
<p>White convert=rejecting all that is western and therfore &#8220;haraam&#8221;(wheather negitive or positive depends on the speaker)&#8211;Muslim Ideal/Muslim Threat&#8211;Sign of Islam&#8217;s ascendency or regression.</p>
<p>What boggeles my mind is this&#8230;.there are how many billion Muslims in this world? In how many countries? From how many cultures? Islam was spread becouse of radid conversition (with various motivations). God knows I have been to many many conferaces where the speaker had anouced that (prepare for cliche) &#8220;Islam is the worlds fastest growing religion&#8221;. As one can imagine, conversion contributes to this. So if this is such an aknologed and highly toted fact and conversion plays such a big role in Islamic history, why is this still sensationalised so much? Can&#8217;t this just be seen as a normitive religious growth? Why do we have to make it so polemic?</p>
<p>What do white converts want? The be seen as MUSLIMS before CONVERTS. To not have their deep and higly personal religious convictions made into a political tug of war.</p>
<p>DISCLAIMER: This only applies to white converts. If you are a convert of color, be perpared to be overlooked. By everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Sinan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abu Sinan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 06:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ASA,

  Good post.  As a white convert myself, I can testify to how hard it can be and the pressures put on us from all directions.

  This lady moans a lot and seems to want to place blame everywhere and accept none of it herself.  What has SHE done to help the plight of converts to Islam?  If she can so readily point out what she thinks the issues are, why isnt she doing anything about it?

  Many converts to &quot;burn out&quot; and drop the religion after a few years. This is for many reasons, but some of them are things the Muslim community itself could, and should address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASA,</p>
<p>  Good post.  As a white convert myself, I can testify to how hard it can be and the pressures put on us from all directions.</p>
<p>  This lady moans a lot and seems to want to place blame everywhere and accept none of it herself.  What has SHE done to help the plight of converts to Islam?  If she can so readily point out what she thinks the issues are, why isnt she doing anything about it?</p>
<p>  Many converts to &#8220;burn out&#8221; and drop the religion after a few years. This is for many reasons, but some of them are things the Muslim community itself could, and should address.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaam alaykum sisters, really good to see some critique coming from Muslim sisters. Keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaam alaykum sisters, really good to see some critique coming from Muslim sisters. Keep it up!</p>
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		<title>By: Safiya Outlines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Safiya Outlines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaam Alaikum,

Can I just say I&#039;m doing a lot of head nodding to these comments, and lol-ing at Lol Muslima&#039;s.

Yakoub  - Pfft. That can&#039;t be true, that sounds far too heartfelt for a bunch of silly white girls playing dress up. /sarcasm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaam Alaikum,</p>
<p>Can I just say I&#8217;m doing a lot of head nodding to these comments, and lol-ing at Lol Muslima&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Yakoub  &#8211; Pfft. That can&#8217;t be true, that sounds far too heartfelt for a bunch of silly white girls playing dress up. /sarcasm.</p>
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		<title>By: Yakoub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yakoub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a small scale study based on semi-structured interviews published by Leeds Uni quite a few years ago, which explored the views of female Muslim converts in Britain, primarily - if I recall - in the Yorkshire region. They all spoke of the loving sisterhood they had discovered in Islam and the sense of security they found in a moral community that often contrasted with the immoral one they had experienced in childhood and early adulthood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a small scale study based on semi-structured interviews published by Leeds Uni quite a few years ago, which explored the views of female Muslim converts in Britain, primarily &#8211; if I recall &#8211; in the Yorkshire region. They all spoke of the loving sisterhood they had discovered in Islam and the sense of security they found in a moral community that often contrasted with the immoral one they had experienced in childhood and early adulthood.</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Q.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Q.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ LOL Muslima : EXACTLY what I was thinking. EXACTLY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ LOL Muslima : EXACTLY what I was thinking. EXACTLY.</p>
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		<title>By: Durkadurkistan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Durkadurkistan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Alibhai-Brown comments again that she feels convert women are choosing the most conservative forms of Islam. Again, this shows her lack of knowledge of the U.K. Muslim community: it is often the more conservative groups that are the most pro-active at reaching out to new converts. Also, if, as Alibhai-Brown states, white converts are whimsies that Progressive Muslims have no time for, how can converts be blamed for seeking communities that will accept them?&quot;

Bingo.

The transition into a new community is always going to be a time of high anxiety.. but yeah the (over)zealous brothers/sisters are always the most aggressive in dawah and often make a big impression on new converts who are eager to learn and also very vulnerable to pressure from within a community they&#039;re still trying to gain acceptance into. It&#039;s not their own fault.

I have a feeling there is pretty large percentage of converts that end up burning out and leaving Islam after a year or two. Jeffrey Lang has made it a point to talk about this a lot.

What Muslims like Alibhai-Brown and non-Muslims need to understand, though, is that the stigmatizing treatment of Muslims in the media does 2 things: it puts the community into a more defensive - and always conservative - stance, and it causes many progressive Muslims to spend their time dealing with outside prejudice, leaving them exhausted when faced with the problems inside the community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Alibhai-Brown comments again that she feels convert women are choosing the most conservative forms of Islam. Again, this shows her lack of knowledge of the U.K. Muslim community: it is often the more conservative groups that are the most pro-active at reaching out to new converts. Also, if, as Alibhai-Brown states, white converts are whimsies that Progressive Muslims have no time for, how can converts be blamed for seeking communities that will accept them?&#8221;</p>
<p>Bingo.</p>
<p>The transition into a new community is always going to be a time of high anxiety.. but yeah the (over)zealous brothers/sisters are always the most aggressive in dawah and often make a big impression on new converts who are eager to learn and also very vulnerable to pressure from within a community they&#8217;re still trying to gain acceptance into. It&#8217;s not their own fault.</p>
<p>I have a feeling there is pretty large percentage of converts that end up burning out and leaving Islam after a year or two. Jeffrey Lang has made it a point to talk about this a lot.</p>
<p>What Muslims like Alibhai-Brown and non-Muslims need to understand, though, is that the stigmatizing treatment of Muslims in the media does 2 things: it puts the community into a more defensive &#8211; and always conservative &#8211; stance, and it causes many progressive Muslims to spend their time dealing with outside prejudice, leaving them exhausted when faced with the problems inside the community.</p>
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		<title>By: Asiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^ like LOL Muslima&#039;s statement.  Haha the white sisters can&#039;t win hehe.

Well it&#039;s not the white Muslimahs or the converts who are bringing polygamy back.  Everyone looks at converts and says &quot;oh, you&#039;re such better muslims than us born muslims.&quot; (not true)  But the idea is that Western converts are of a different culture than born Muslims.  Born Muslims are usually (not always because some are now the children of converts in the West) coming from other cultures to the Western culture while converts are coming from the Western culture and going to the Islamic culture.  Sometimes they slip up and end up confusing culture with religion.

Anyway this is too long for a comment nehow, but the point is that those who will accept polygamy has probably something to do with conversion, but more to do with position in life, and economic status.  

Good coverage MMW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ like LOL Muslima&#8217;s statement.  Haha the white sisters can&#8217;t win hehe.</p>
<p>Well it&#8217;s not the white Muslimahs or the converts who are bringing polygamy back.  Everyone looks at converts and says &#8220;oh, you&#8217;re such better muslims than us born muslims.&#8221; (not true)  But the idea is that Western converts are of a different culture than born Muslims.  Born Muslims are usually (not always because some are now the children of converts in the West) coming from other cultures to the Western culture while converts are coming from the Western culture and going to the Islamic culture.  Sometimes they slip up and end up confusing culture with religion.</p>
<p>Anyway this is too long for a comment nehow, but the point is that those who will accept polygamy has probably something to do with conversion, but more to do with position in life, and economic status.  </p>
<p>Good coverage MMW.</p>
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