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	<description>Looking at Muslim women in the media and pop culture</description>
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		<title>By: Rachael</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2010/03/5790/#comment-7988</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many different feminisms. And why shouldn&#039;t there be? Feminist thought isn&#039;t monolithic, which is, in my opinion, a perfectly reasonable thing, and even a strength. Each culture is going to have its own flavors of feminism, born of the needs and norms of that society. I believe that, underlying this, we all desire the same equality and justice for all women. 

Most American feminists (since those are the communities I know most about) do not want women to be men. This is a common misconception, fueled mostly by anti-feminists and the mainstream media. That said, there *is* an aversion to gender essentialism among American feminists that I do not see among others. I share this aversion, since in my work as a research psychologist I am aware of how much of a role culture plays in the &quot;creation&quot; of gender, and gender differences. This does not mean I see men and women as the same. I just don&#039;t believe that the differences are that great. 

So yes, I think that saying &quot;I am a Muslim feminist&quot; can be entirely accurate---and such a feminism is vitally necessary for us to accomplish our goals. I think the world needs feminism grounded in, and growing from, every single culture and religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many different feminisms. And why shouldn&#8217;t there be? Feminist thought isn&#8217;t monolithic, which is, in my opinion, a perfectly reasonable thing, and even a strength. Each culture is going to have its own flavors of feminism, born of the needs and norms of that society. I believe that, underlying this, we all desire the same equality and justice for all women. </p>
<p>Most American feminists (since those are the communities I know most about) do not want women to be men. This is a common misconception, fueled mostly by anti-feminists and the mainstream media. That said, there *is* an aversion to gender essentialism among American feminists that I do not see among others. I share this aversion, since in my work as a research psychologist I am aware of how much of a role culture plays in the &#8220;creation&#8221; of gender, and gender differences. This does not mean I see men and women as the same. I just don&#8217;t believe that the differences are that great. </p>
<p>So yes, I think that saying &#8220;I am a Muslim feminist&#8221; can be entirely accurate&#8212;and such a feminism is vitally necessary for us to accomplish our goals. I think the world needs feminism grounded in, and growing from, every single culture and religion.</p>
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		<title>By: MUTAGATA</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2010/03/5790/#comment-7987</link>
		<dc:creator>MUTAGATA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God bless you Sobia.
I have nothing more to add to what you just said: simply PERFECT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God bless you Sobia.<br />
I have nothing more to add to what you just said: simply PERFECT.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2010/03/5790/#comment-7986</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 04:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting topic.  I&#039;m a feminist, of Western and atheistic background, but I find the terms &quot;Western feminist&quot; and &quot;Muslim feminist&quot; at best misguided, at worst divisive.

Being a feminist simply means you think men and women should be equal, legally and socially, and acknowledging that they are not.  Culture, creed and even gender don&#039;t come into it.  There&#039;s no such thing as &quot;Muslim feminism,&quot; or &quot;Western feminism,&quot; just like there is no such thing as &quot;Muslim science&quot; or &quot;Western science.&quot;

To be honest, my main experience of feminists in the West has been one of cultural relativism, a very self-conscious move away from being perceived as culturally imperialist.  Which means, imho, they often turn a blind eye to some serious forms of misogyny, such as stoning of rape victims and child brides, and some slightly less serious forms of misogyny such as the niqab and the burqa, and doctrinal subordination of wives to husbands.

Feminists from all over the world should unite against misogyny in all its forms.  In order to do this we need to move past the divisive discourse of Orientalism vs Occidentalism, and not play into the hands of those power brokers who would keep us divided.  I hope we can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting topic.  I&#8217;m a feminist, of Western and atheistic background, but I find the terms &#8220;Western feminist&#8221; and &#8220;Muslim feminist&#8221; at best misguided, at worst divisive.</p>
<p>Being a feminist simply means you think men and women should be equal, legally and socially, and acknowledging that they are not.  Culture, creed and even gender don&#8217;t come into it.  There&#8217;s no such thing as &#8220;Muslim feminism,&#8221; or &#8220;Western feminism,&#8221; just like there is no such thing as &#8220;Muslim science&#8221; or &#8220;Western science.&#8221;</p>
<p>To be honest, my main experience of feminists in the West has been one of cultural relativism, a very self-conscious move away from being perceived as culturally imperialist.  Which means, imho, they often turn a blind eye to some serious forms of misogyny, such as stoning of rape victims and child brides, and some slightly less serious forms of misogyny such as the niqab and the burqa, and doctrinal subordination of wives to husbands.</p>
<p>Feminists from all over the world should unite against misogyny in all its forms.  In order to do this we need to move past the divisive discourse of Orientalism vs Occidentalism, and not play into the hands of those power brokers who would keep us divided.  I hope we can.</p>
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		<title>By: Sobia</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2010/03/5790/#comment-7985</link>
		<dc:creator>Sobia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ruwayda:

&quot;I have yet to come across a serious feminist movement in the west that doesn’t bash Islam or women under Islam.&quot;

Interesting. My experience has been the opposite. I&#039;ve mainly come across feminism that DOESN&#039;T bash Islam or Muslim women. My experiences with feminism have been very positive and feminists I&#039;ve met stand in solidarity with minority women, including religious minorities.

&quot;My problem with feminist women (not all), regardless of religion is in the fact that they always set men to be the standard of everything...&quot;

Society does this, not feminists. Feminists just acknowledge, critique and challenge it. Some feminists try to be like men, but many feminists try to challenge what it means to be of a certain gender.  

&quot;what is incompatible is some contemporary feminist thought about ‘gender roles’ prevalent in the west.&quot;

This would depend upon which interpretation of Islam one follows. I&#039;m a practicing Muslim but I don&#039;t believe that men and women have inherent gender roles. I believe gender roles are socially constructed. And I believe that is perfectly compatible with Islam. Others would not agree with me. 

Having said all that I do sympathize when feminism critiques religion. Most religions today have very misogynistic interpretations, including Islam. In my opinion, the most common interpretations of Islam followed today are quite sexist. So as a Muslim feminist I wouldn&#039;t dismiss this critique. It is valid. I just choose to follow an egalitarian interpretation of Islam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ruwayda:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have yet to come across a serious feminist movement in the west that doesn’t bash Islam or women under Islam.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting. My experience has been the opposite. I&#8217;ve mainly come across feminism that DOESN&#8217;T bash Islam or Muslim women. My experiences with feminism have been very positive and feminists I&#8217;ve met stand in solidarity with minority women, including religious minorities.</p>
<p>&#8220;My problem with feminist women (not all), regardless of religion is in the fact that they always set men to be the standard of everything&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Society does this, not feminists. Feminists just acknowledge, critique and challenge it. Some feminists try to be like men, but many feminists try to challenge what it means to be of a certain gender.  </p>
<p>&#8220;what is incompatible is some contemporary feminist thought about ‘gender roles’ prevalent in the west.&#8221;</p>
<p>This would depend upon which interpretation of Islam one follows. I&#8217;m a practicing Muslim but I don&#8217;t believe that men and women have inherent gender roles. I believe gender roles are socially constructed. And I believe that is perfectly compatible with Islam. Others would not agree with me. </p>
<p>Having said all that I do sympathize when feminism critiques religion. Most religions today have very misogynistic interpretations, including Islam. In my opinion, the most common interpretations of Islam followed today are quite sexist. So as a Muslim feminist I wouldn&#8217;t dismiss this critique. It is valid. I just choose to follow an egalitarian interpretation of Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruwayda Mustafah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruwayda Mustafah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Western feminist: I am very critical and sceptical about CONTEMPORARY western feminist movements because I don&#039;t understand the basis of their movements, is it simply to say men and women are the same or that they should be treated equally where they are equal. In essence feminism is not necessarily incompatible with Islam, what is incompatible is some contemporary feminist thought about &#039;gender roles&#039; prevalent in the west.

I&#039;ve been trying to read feminist literature for a while and everything I&#039;ve read is actually from a western perspective as opposed to a eastern perspective. I believe some of our struggles will always be the same but our goals and ambitions will be different but I doubt we share the same struggles today. I support some feminist movements in the East but I have yet to come across a serious feminist movement in the west that doesn&#039;t bash Islam or women under Islam.

My problem with feminist women (not all), regardless of religion is in the fact that they always set men to be the standard of everything, and why should we? Are we not capable of being the height of some form of standard, perhaps even better than men?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Western feminist: I am very critical and sceptical about CONTEMPORARY western feminist movements because I don&#8217;t understand the basis of their movements, is it simply to say men and women are the same or that they should be treated equally where they are equal. In essence feminism is not necessarily incompatible with Islam, what is incompatible is some contemporary feminist thought about &#8216;gender roles&#8217; prevalent in the west.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to read feminist literature for a while and everything I&#8217;ve read is actually from a western perspective as opposed to a eastern perspective. I believe some of our struggles will always be the same but our goals and ambitions will be different but I doubt we share the same struggles today. I support some feminist movements in the East but I have yet to come across a serious feminist movement in the west that doesn&#8217;t bash Islam or women under Islam.</p>
<p>My problem with feminist women (not all), regardless of religion is in the fact that they always set men to be the standard of everything, and why should we? Are we not capable of being the height of some form of standard, perhaps even better than men?</p>
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		<title>By: Fatemeh</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2010/03/5790/#comment-7983</link>
		<dc:creator>Fatemeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ a western feminist: Muslim women (and Muslim feminists) have just as many misconceptions and stereotypes about &quot;Western&quot; feminists as Western feminists do about Muslim women/feminists. But I think the value is in the blending: women like myself who are Western AND Muslim--can we be considered both? It&#039;s women like us who are going to bring two (seemingly) disparate groups together--if each side can respect each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ a western feminist: Muslim women (and Muslim feminists) have just as many misconceptions and stereotypes about &#8220;Western&#8221; feminists as Western feminists do about Muslim women/feminists. But I think the value is in the blending: women like myself who are Western AND Muslim&#8211;can we be considered both? It&#8217;s women like us who are going to bring two (seemingly) disparate groups together&#8211;if each side can respect each other.</p>
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		<title>By: A western feminist</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2010/03/5790/#comment-7982</link>
		<dc:creator>A western feminist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 10:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;just like contemporary feminists in the west have&quot;

Do we all?  There´s also something called Occidentalism.

I wonder, does the muslim feminist movement like MMW have any ambitions at all to  unite with other women in a future, also western women - or is this as a lot of other things first of all a identityproject where lines are drawn between the good muslim feminist and the weird western feminist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;just like contemporary feminists in the west have&#8221;</p>
<p>Do we all?  There´s also something called Occidentalism.</p>
<p>I wonder, does the muslim feminist movement like MMW have any ambitions at all to  unite with other women in a future, also western women &#8211; or is this as a lot of other things first of all a identityproject where lines are drawn between the good muslim feminist and the weird western feminist?</p>
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		<title>By: miriam</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2010/03/5790/#comment-7981</link>
		<dc:creator>miriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 04:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rumayda: you are so right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rumayda: you are so right!</p>
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		<title>By: Sobia</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2010/03/5790/#comment-7980</link>
		<dc:creator>Sobia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Pakistani-Canadian who is regularly exposed to Pakistani media, fashion, etc. I&#039;m always amazed at how Western media keeps describing Pakistan as some hyper-conservative Taliban country. I still remember my 1997 trip to Pakistan and seeing scantily-clad models in Pakistan fashion magazines, including on catwalks. At that time I was introduced to famous Pakistani models like Vaneeza Ahmed, Amina Haq, etc who were wearing (gasp) sleeveless, midriff showing saris, among other things! And the thing is, that wasn&#039;t when it started. Pakistani women have been wearing such clothes since the inception of the country. It&#039;s not new. Fashion has been a huge part of Pakistani culture and forever.The (disturbing) turn toward hyper-conservatism is relatively new and an import from the Middle East, via the many Pakistani ex-pats returning to Pakistan from that region and Saudi funding of Pakistani religious institutions. 

Being exposed to Pakistani media for as long as I have (and I&#039;ve lived in Canada my whole life therefore removed from a Pakistani context) would make one realize that these reporters have not done any research on Pakistani culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Pakistani-Canadian who is regularly exposed to Pakistani media, fashion, etc. I&#8217;m always amazed at how Western media keeps describing Pakistan as some hyper-conservative Taliban country. I still remember my 1997 trip to Pakistan and seeing scantily-clad models in Pakistan fashion magazines, including on catwalks. At that time I was introduced to famous Pakistani models like Vaneeza Ahmed, Amina Haq, etc who were wearing (gasp) sleeveless, midriff showing saris, among other things! And the thing is, that wasn&#8217;t when it started. Pakistani women have been wearing such clothes since the inception of the country. It&#8217;s not new. Fashion has been a huge part of Pakistani culture and forever.The (disturbing) turn toward hyper-conservatism is relatively new and an import from the Middle East, via the many Pakistani ex-pats returning to Pakistan from that region and Saudi funding of Pakistani religious institutions. </p>
<p>Being exposed to Pakistani media for as long as I have (and I&#8217;ve lived in Canada my whole life therefore removed from a Pakistani context) would make one realize that these reporters have not done any research on Pakistani culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Bassam</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2010/03/5790/#comment-7979</link>
		<dc:creator>Bassam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I should be visiting this site more often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I should be visiting this site more often.</p>
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