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	<description>Looking at Muslim women in the media and pop culture</description>
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		<title>Comment on Maya Khan’s Marriage Police by joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who appoints these &quot;Aunties&quot; to go around with their morality checks? Or is Pakistan a theocracy such that I have no right to question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who appoints these &#8220;Aunties&#8221; to go around with their morality checks? Or is Pakistan a theocracy such that I have no right to question?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Using Islamic Identity Against Victims of Sexual Violence by Raafia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raafia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think race plays an important role here, as one of these women was black. Reminds me of the Pamela George case. Her murderers were let of completely free after she was humiliated in court. It was emphasized during the trial that she was a prostitute. Add that to the fact that she was a poor Aboriginal woman, and you have a person who is inherently filthy and therefore deserving of her fate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think race plays an important role here, as one of these women was black. Reminds me of the Pamela George case. Her murderers were let of completely free after she was humiliated in court. It was emphasized during the trial that she was a prostitute. Add that to the fact that she was a poor Aboriginal woman, and you have a person who is inherently filthy and therefore deserving of her fate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Female Scholars (But Not Feminism): Reviewing Al-Muhaddithat by Eren Arruna Cervantes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eren Arruna Cervantes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand your point; however, the book is not about the status of female scholars, I would actually be hesitant to say that the author would go into saying that scholars have a &quot;better&quot; rank. The point is what the book has been shown to be (in some reviews it has been shown to be the most empowering book for women) and the issues that I found with that. Yes, the focus is on gender because the book is pretty much a matter of gender analysis in Islamic scholarship. In here we are not trying to argue what the rank of these female scholars is. That&#039;s neither the topic of the book, nor of this review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand your point; however, the book is not about the status of female scholars, I would actually be hesitant to say that the author would go into saying that scholars have a &#8220;better&#8221; rank. The point is what the book has been shown to be (in some reviews it has been shown to be the most empowering book for women) and the issues that I found with that. Yes, the focus is on gender because the book is pretty much a matter of gender analysis in Islamic scholarship. In here we are not trying to argue what the rank of these female scholars is. That&#8217;s neither the topic of the book, nor of this review.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Female Scholars (But Not Feminism): Reviewing Al-Muhaddithat by Dawud Israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawud Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, I sounded harsher than I intended. 

My point is simply you are focusing so much on gender/empowerment, that you neglect the fact they are muhaddiths. Reading this review, you might as well be writing about Muslim women who were wealthy or painters or great at sewing or supermodels for all I know. Might as well, since you make all women equal which isn&#039;t empowering. A female muhaddith has a certain rank greater than normal women and men and even greater than male muhaditheen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, I sounded harsher than I intended. </p>
<p>My point is simply you are focusing so much on gender/empowerment, that you neglect the fact they are muhaddiths. Reading this review, you might as well be writing about Muslim women who were wealthy or painters or great at sewing or supermodels for all I know. Might as well, since you make all women equal which isn&#8217;t empowering. A female muhaddith has a certain rank greater than normal women and men and even greater than male muhaditheen.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Female Scholars (But Not Feminism): Reviewing Al-Muhaddithat by Krista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dawud Israel: We&#039;ve been critical of the position of women in Muslim communities since MMW started - it&#039;s hardly a new thing since the switch to Patheos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dawud Israel: We&#8217;ve been critical of the position of women in Muslim communities since MMW started &#8211; it&#8217;s hardly a new thing since the switch to Patheos.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Female Scholars (But Not Feminism): Reviewing Al-Muhaddithat by Eren Cervantes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eren Cervantes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you of  for your comments. I agree with all of you that this is a step further in recognizing women&#039;s contributions to Islamic scholarship, no discussion about this. Akram Nadwi took the challenge to pursue a historical research about female scholars, who are rarely recognized nowadays. However, as I said before, this book will speak differently to each one of you. It is rich in historical data, it is incredible in terms of hadith and sunnah, but for me, this needs to go a step further to become &quot;empowering&quot; as other reviews said. When I discuss the works of Fatima Mernissi, it is not because she is controversial. Instead, it is because her book the Veil and the Male Elite is also very rich in historical data as well as in hadith. Yes, Mernissi has her own agenda too, but I think the comparison shows that history and narrations of hadith speak differently to different scholars with different agendas.
 About feminism, it has many definitions in many different contexts. The author of this book discusses feminism, gender approaches and women studies (and others) as if there were the same. This is a mistake, his work is very much a piece of gender analysis but it is not feminist. It can be used as a matter of women studies in Islam, but this does not make it feminist. Nadwi Akram also wants to contest what he calls &quot;feminism&quot; the idea that &quot;if men can do something women can too.&quot; This is not necessarily feminism. For many, feminism advocates for women&#039;s rights, gender equality, against the oppression and exclusion of women. That being said, feminism is not monolithic.
Now, about the issue of not accepting Western and Feminist approaches because they have no grounds in sunnah, that is a personal view. We are not going to get into the whole question of what is sunnah and what is not. However, Islam is not monolithic either  and many Western people and feminists are Muslim (unless, of course, someone believes that feminists cannot be Muslims). There is many approaches out there that aim to enrich Islam, not undermine it. The same way that we respect the validity of conservative and orthodox approaches (and for some reason we consider them &quot;more&quot; Islamic) I think we need to recognize that not everything coming from Westerners or Feminists is bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you of  for your comments. I agree with all of you that this is a step further in recognizing women&#8217;s contributions to Islamic scholarship, no discussion about this. Akram Nadwi took the challenge to pursue a historical research about female scholars, who are rarely recognized nowadays. However, as I said before, this book will speak differently to each one of you. It is rich in historical data, it is incredible in terms of hadith and sunnah, but for me, this needs to go a step further to become &#8220;empowering&#8221; as other reviews said. When I discuss the works of Fatima Mernissi, it is not because she is controversial. Instead, it is because her book the Veil and the Male Elite is also very rich in historical data as well as in hadith. Yes, Mernissi has her own agenda too, but I think the comparison shows that history and narrations of hadith speak differently to different scholars with different agendas.<br />
 About feminism, it has many definitions in many different contexts. The author of this book discusses feminism, gender approaches and women studies (and others) as if there were the same. This is a mistake, his work is very much a piece of gender analysis but it is not feminist. It can be used as a matter of women studies in Islam, but this does not make it feminist. Nadwi Akram also wants to contest what he calls &#8220;feminism&#8221; the idea that &#8220;if men can do something women can too.&#8221; This is not necessarily feminism. For many, feminism advocates for women&#8217;s rights, gender equality, against the oppression and exclusion of women. That being said, feminism is not monolithic.<br />
Now, about the issue of not accepting Western and Feminist approaches because they have no grounds in sunnah, that is a personal view. We are not going to get into the whole question of what is sunnah and what is not. However, Islam is not monolithic either  and many Western people and feminists are Muslim (unless, of course, someone believes that feminists cannot be Muslims). There is many approaches out there that aim to enrich Islam, not undermine it. The same way that we respect the validity of conservative and orthodox approaches (and for some reason we consider them &#8220;more&#8221; Islamic) I think we need to recognize that not everything coming from Westerners or Feminists is bad.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Female Scholars (But Not Feminism): Reviewing Al-Muhaddithat by Dawud Israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawud Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 07:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travesty. 

If the author is a Muslim, they should be GRATEFUL. As a man, I make shukr for this book because it is about hadith. There was a time when people would read these books in order to come closer to God and His Prophet (salallahu alayhi wasalam). They didn&#039;t read these books in order to feel better about their gender. If you read the book to appease yourself, as a critic, then its dangerous. Change your attitude and niyya. Please. 

&quot;Similarly, his own purpose to bring out women’s contributions to Islamic scholarship is very much a subject of gender analyses.&quot; 

No no no. This is the problem of cognitive frames. You come to this book thinking, &quot;Ohh imma analyze the shiz out of this!&quot; and I come to this book thinking, &quot;I want to read about this women, send Fatiha on them and pray for them. They are my teachers. They sacrificed so much for me to hear the words of the Beloved of God. And my Fatiha to this author too. I should memorize the life stories of some of these women.&quot;  Come to a book like this like you are meeting a great teacher, not a female colleague in the hallway whose clothing you are checking out and nexting. Because I will remember the names of these women and so will believing Muslims, and honour them, but they will not remember feminist spinsters. 

&quot;While I expected this after the first ten pages, I cannot help but wonder, when will Islamic scholars look at the usefulness of using other approaches, and when will they recognize that feminism (in its many forms) and “Westernized approaches” may enrich Islamic knowledge instead of undermining it?&quot; 

No, it won&#039;t enrich it. I guarantee you that. It has no roots in the sacred and simply because of that loses all right to be part of Islamic tradition. It is a xenotransplant. If you think it needs enriching I guarantee you do not know Islamic knowledge. The only thing that will is a better understanding of true Islamic tradition. That will &#039;empower&#039; Muslim women. 

Most Muslims don&#039;t know the names of great females scholars, granted, but they don&#039;t know the name of Muslim male scholars either. Most of the greats have been forgotten. And being further engrossed in this feminist angst will not help either. 

I&#039;m reading this article and thinking, this was probably meant to pander to some Patheos agenda of problematizing women in Islam. Here you have one of the few orthodox scholars willing to write about this publish a book on it...and the response? Nuh uh, not good enough. For crying out loud, have a little adab! 

Why not talk about what other books like this could be written? What&#039;s the next step?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travesty. </p>
<p>If the author is a Muslim, they should be GRATEFUL. As a man, I make shukr for this book because it is about hadith. There was a time when people would read these books in order to come closer to God and His Prophet (salallahu alayhi wasalam). They didn&#8217;t read these books in order to feel better about their gender. If you read the book to appease yourself, as a critic, then its dangerous. Change your attitude and niyya. Please. </p>
<p>&#8220;Similarly, his own purpose to bring out women’s contributions to Islamic scholarship is very much a subject of gender analyses.&#8221; </p>
<p>No no no. This is the problem of cognitive frames. You come to this book thinking, &#8220;Ohh imma analyze the shiz out of this!&#8221; and I come to this book thinking, &#8220;I want to read about this women, send Fatiha on them and pray for them. They are my teachers. They sacrificed so much for me to hear the words of the Beloved of God. And my Fatiha to this author too. I should memorize the life stories of some of these women.&#8221;  Come to a book like this like you are meeting a great teacher, not a female colleague in the hallway whose clothing you are checking out and nexting. Because I will remember the names of these women and so will believing Muslims, and honour them, but they will not remember feminist spinsters. </p>
<p>&#8220;While I expected this after the first ten pages, I cannot help but wonder, when will Islamic scholars look at the usefulness of using other approaches, and when will they recognize that feminism (in its many forms) and “Westernized approaches” may enrich Islamic knowledge instead of undermining it?&#8221; </p>
<p>No, it won&#8217;t enrich it. I guarantee you that. It has no roots in the sacred and simply because of that loses all right to be part of Islamic tradition. It is a xenotransplant. If you think it needs enriching I guarantee you do not know Islamic knowledge. The only thing that will is a better understanding of true Islamic tradition. That will &#8216;empower&#8217; Muslim women. </p>
<p>Most Muslims don&#8217;t know the names of great females scholars, granted, but they don&#8217;t know the name of Muslim male scholars either. Most of the greats have been forgotten. And being further engrossed in this feminist angst will not help either. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m reading this article and thinking, this was probably meant to pander to some Patheos agenda of problematizing women in Islam. Here you have one of the few orthodox scholars willing to write about this publish a book on it&#8230;and the response? Nuh uh, not good enough. For crying out loud, have a little adab! </p>
<p>Why not talk about what other books like this could be written? What&#8217;s the next step?</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Female Scholars (But Not Feminism): Reviewing Al-Muhaddithat by Umm Abdullah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Umm Abdullah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 23:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could the author define &#039;feminist&#039;?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Friday Links &#124; February 3, 2012 by Yasmin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yasmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 19:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for these informative updates! I really enjoy and learn a lot from these posts every week!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for these informative updates! I really enjoy and learn a lot from these posts every week!</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Female Scholars (But Not Feminism): Reviewing Al-Muhaddithat by Nadia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not read the book but if I understand your review correctly, I think it may have been a good thing that Nadwi did not attempt to include an analysis of the history of women&#039;s involvement in Islamic scholarship. When you speak of other scholars who have dealt with this topic, they are often very controversial figures, like Fatima Mernissi, and the average Muslim is too often more aware of the person&#039;s reputation rather than their actual work. Personally, I always think it is better to first document the facts as fully as possible before any analysis is attempted, which is what I think Nadwi has done. Regardless of his intention or agenda, his book may be exactly what is needed to start a non-confrontational feminist discourse in Islamic scholarship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not read the book but if I understand your review correctly, I think it may have been a good thing that Nadwi did not attempt to include an analysis of the history of women&#8217;s involvement in Islamic scholarship. When you speak of other scholars who have dealt with this topic, they are often very controversial figures, like Fatima Mernissi, and the average Muslim is too often more aware of the person&#8217;s reputation rather than their actual work. Personally, I always think it is better to first document the facts as fully as possible before any analysis is attempted, which is what I think Nadwi has done. Regardless of his intention or agenda, his book may be exactly what is needed to start a non-confrontational feminist discourse in Islamic scholarship.</p>
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