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		<title>Comment on Playing on Old Fears: Coverage of Iran’s Female Ninjas by SmurfBurkan</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 20:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalamu aleykum sisters
Thank you for an interesting analysis.
By the way, have to point out that Kunoichi is the original Japanese term for female ninjas. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalamu aleykum sisters<br />
Thank you for an interesting analysis.<br />
By the way, have to point out that Kunoichi is the original Japanese term for female ninjas. =)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bad Girls Do It Well: MMW Responds to M.I.A.&#8217;s Latest Video by jaminazi</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaminazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a muslim woman. 

Of course raping or abusing  domestic workers is unIslamic. Who says that the men in the Gulf who do this are practicing true Islam? Non-arab workers are not even allowed into shopping malls. How &#039;Islamic&#039; is that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a muslim woman. </p>
<p>Of course raping or abusing  domestic workers is unIslamic. Who says that the men in the Gulf who do this are practicing true Islam? Non-arab workers are not even allowed into shopping malls. How &#8216;Islamic&#8217; is that?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Muhteşem Yüzyıl: Traditional Women Roles in the Age of Emancipation by Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I ask you, Samya, whether you have knowledge of Ottoman history? I believe a credible critique of this historical soap opera can only be done with profound historian knowledge of the Ottoman court, preferably of the era depicted even. I say this as someone who took a Turkology minor with otherwise different educational background, and has had some Ottoman language and history education. I have to admit right after saying that I feel my education did not even scratch the surface enough in order to comment on accuracy or lack of accuracy of the soap opera in question. My current Turkish teacher, a Turkish Native and historian by education with major focus on the Ottoman empire, commented on quite some accuracy of the show in class, though. He mentioned also the outrage by some Turkish officials and media representatives over the contents (&quot;shame&quot; etc.) and shun it off as the usual nationalistic reflex, and certainly not credible Ottoman historians&#039; critique. I can only pass on this as one educated opinion I heard. It rings familiar with quite some European courts of the time, and the status of women there, though, which in my semi-educated eyes makes it credible (essentially, royal mothers were highly influential, if in the background, in Europe, too; they were matchmakers striving to increase influence&amp;power - for the kings, not themselves directly; they persuaded their royal sons to get rid of inappropriate wives; just like the Sultan, who very infamously had a thriving slave trade especially of white virgin girls up to his demise, the origin of, inter alia, the Tcherkess (Caucasian) minority in Turkey, they all were famous for mistresses, concubines etc. some of whom achieved quite some political influence - in the background, of course - still, I would not call any of these women true agents of their destiny given the surroundings that constrained them).

So as you rightly point out, one question is whether the series is rubbish in its content. There you&#039;ll have a major question on gender politics of mass entertainment productions, and the agenda behind those productions. If it is not bogus, but fairly accurate, historically, then I think your second suggestion to present women more as agents of their destiny is very ambiguous. So one should alter historical fact in a seemingly historical tv series? That would be mis-education and delusion. I do not think that would be appropriate even for sound intentions. Essentially, we can always learn from the past. It would be ideal if responsible mass media were to stage historian and politician/activist discussions after the show. (I am aware this is not likely to happen any time soon.) Still, I would be against such historical falsification. I feel ambiguous about the glamorization of the &quot;woman is powerful in her own way - read: through her charms - in the background of power&quot;-play. I just think if this is what the past is like almost all around the world, and what the reality of the world still is with few rays of light today, we should not mislead people into thinking it was different. There were, however, women who mastered their destiny better than you&#039;d think they could based on the surroundings (they often depended on men providing support for their mastering their destiny, to remain honest). There is a novel biography for Lady Florence Baker, which I find fascinating from a very late Ottoman/colonial perspective (late 19th century - she was a slave girl in an Ottoman harem and sold as an adolescent to break free with her future husband, as her name tells an English noble). I am sure there are earlier fascinating biographies of women in harems or European courts, for that matter, who succeeded in securing themselves *some* freedom and agency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I ask you, Samya, whether you have knowledge of Ottoman history? I believe a credible critique of this historical soap opera can only be done with profound historian knowledge of the Ottoman court, preferably of the era depicted even. I say this as someone who took a Turkology minor with otherwise different educational background, and has had some Ottoman language and history education. I have to admit right after saying that I feel my education did not even scratch the surface enough in order to comment on accuracy or lack of accuracy of the soap opera in question. My current Turkish teacher, a Turkish Native and historian by education with major focus on the Ottoman empire, commented on quite some accuracy of the show in class, though. He mentioned also the outrage by some Turkish officials and media representatives over the contents (&#8220;shame&#8221; etc.) and shun it off as the usual nationalistic reflex, and certainly not credible Ottoman historians&#8217; critique. I can only pass on this as one educated opinion I heard. It rings familiar with quite some European courts of the time, and the status of women there, though, which in my semi-educated eyes makes it credible (essentially, royal mothers were highly influential, if in the background, in Europe, too; they were matchmakers striving to increase influence&amp;power &#8211; for the kings, not themselves directly; they persuaded their royal sons to get rid of inappropriate wives; just like the Sultan, who very infamously had a thriving slave trade especially of white virgin girls up to his demise, the origin of, inter alia, the Tcherkess (Caucasian) minority in Turkey, they all were famous for mistresses, concubines etc. some of whom achieved quite some political influence &#8211; in the background, of course &#8211; still, I would not call any of these women true agents of their destiny given the surroundings that constrained them).</p>
<p>So as you rightly point out, one question is whether the series is rubbish in its content. There you&#8217;ll have a major question on gender politics of mass entertainment productions, and the agenda behind those productions. If it is not bogus, but fairly accurate, historically, then I think your second suggestion to present women more as agents of their destiny is very ambiguous. So one should alter historical fact in a seemingly historical tv series? That would be mis-education and delusion. I do not think that would be appropriate even for sound intentions. Essentially, we can always learn from the past. It would be ideal if responsible mass media were to stage historian and politician/activist discussions after the show. (I am aware this is not likely to happen any time soon.) Still, I would be against such historical falsification. I feel ambiguous about the glamorization of the &#8220;woman is powerful in her own way &#8211; read: through her charms &#8211; in the background of power&#8221;-play. I just think if this is what the past is like almost all around the world, and what the reality of the world still is with few rays of light today, we should not mislead people into thinking it was different. There were, however, women who mastered their destiny better than you&#8217;d think they could based on the surroundings (they often depended on men providing support for their mastering their destiny, to remain honest). There is a novel biography for Lady Florence Baker, which I find fascinating from a very late Ottoman/colonial perspective (late 19th century &#8211; she was a slave girl in an Ottoman harem and sold as an adolescent to break free with her future husband, as her name tells an English noble). I am sure there are earlier fascinating biographies of women in harems or European courts, for that matter, who succeeded in securing themselves *some* freedom and agency.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bad Girls Do It Well: MMW Responds to M.I.A.&#8217;s Latest Video by Tahira B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tahira B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 03:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whew, there&#039;s so much to analyze in this video so I&#039;ll skip the location/cultural references and jump to her use of women in the video. The women dancers aren&#039;t scantily clad or meaningless and  they seem to serve a purpose--some sort of feministic purpose. The juxtaposition of traditional Islamic clothing and bedazzeledry seems to suggest the place of Muslim women in current society: being reserved, yet desirable. You know, &quot;the pearl&quot; analogy or what my instructor calls &quot;the virginal vixen&quot;. It&#039;s a dichotomy that&#039;s rarely explored and M.I.A does quite a good job at presenting these two conflicting identities. I mean, at least she recognizes it, however exaggerated her attempt may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whew, there&#8217;s so much to analyze in this video so I&#8217;ll skip the location/cultural references and jump to her use of women in the video. The women dancers aren&#8217;t scantily clad or meaningless and  they seem to serve a purpose&#8211;some sort of feministic purpose. The juxtaposition of traditional Islamic clothing and bedazzeledry seems to suggest the place of Muslim women in current society: being reserved, yet desirable. You know, &#8220;the pearl&#8221; analogy or what my instructor calls &#8220;the virginal vixen&#8221;. It&#8217;s a dichotomy that&#8217;s rarely explored and M.I.A does quite a good job at presenting these two conflicting identities. I mean, at least she recognizes it, however exaggerated her attempt may be.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bad Girls Do It Well: MMW Responds to M.I.A.&#8217;s Latest Video by Moh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are getting confused between Islam and those particular Arab men who are racist to the Indian and Philippine workers. And the women not &quot;all up&quot; on the men and &quot;anonymity&quot; is not the purpose of the niqab. If you want to know the purpose of the niqab, go ask a muslim woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are getting confused between Islam and those particular Arab men who are racist to the Indian and Philippine workers. And the women not &#8220;all up&#8221; on the men and &#8220;anonymity&#8221; is not the purpose of the niqab. If you want to know the purpose of the niqab, go ask a muslim woman.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bad Girls Do It Well: MMW Responds to M.I.A.&#8217;s Latest Video by Moh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think MIA is a respectable internationally known singer and entertainer and i will not stand in her way unless she insults myself, my family or my faith. She shows muslim women wearing hijabs dancing, shaking their behind, and muslim men wearing the khandora jumping to the music. Now, there is a difference between muslim and arab, if she showed Moroccan women or Egyptian women in their cultural outfit i would be ok with it, but it clearly shows something muslim women wear and it hurts me alot. 

To Christians, how would you feel, if the men were replaced by priests and the women with nuns, that is the same situation i am in at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think MIA is a respectable internationally known singer and entertainer and i will not stand in her way unless she insults myself, my family or my faith. She shows muslim women wearing hijabs dancing, shaking their behind, and muslim men wearing the khandora jumping to the music. Now, there is a difference between muslim and arab, if she showed Moroccan women or Egyptian women in their cultural outfit i would be ok with it, but it clearly shows something muslim women wear and it hurts me alot. </p>
<p>To Christians, how would you feel, if the men were replaced by priests and the women with nuns, that is the same situation i am in at the moment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bad Girls Do It Well: MMW Responds to M.I.A.&#8217;s Latest Video by RCHOUDH</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCHOUDH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not too familiar with MIA&#039;s music (I&#039;ve only watched and the Paper Planes video) but I have seen her past usage of the niqab/burka. I do think that she appropriates these aspects of Muslim women both for simple shock value (like Lady Gaga) and because she wants to be considered a political artist (like Rage Against The Machine). Unlike most artists she has made provocatively political statements earlier on (regarding terrorism for example) so I think her &quot;fascination&quot; with Islamic symbols has a certain political bent to it. If an artist like Lady Gaga were to don the burka, I would consider it as simply being for shock value, since Gaga doesn&#039;t make public statements on international politics. As for this video, I can understand how it seemed to jumble up different MENA cultures, which should have been better researched upon. Other than that I didn&#039;t think there was anything too provocative about the video since it didn&#039;t involve any sex and violence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not too familiar with MIA&#8217;s music (I&#8217;ve only watched and the Paper Planes video) but I have seen her past usage of the niqab/burka. I do think that she appropriates these aspects of Muslim women both for simple shock value (like Lady Gaga) and because she wants to be considered a political artist (like Rage Against The Machine). Unlike most artists she has made provocatively political statements earlier on (regarding terrorism for example) so I think her &#8220;fascination&#8221; with Islamic symbols has a certain political bent to it. If an artist like Lady Gaga were to don the burka, I would consider it as simply being for shock value, since Gaga doesn&#8217;t make public statements on international politics. As for this video, I can understand how it seemed to jumble up different MENA cultures, which should have been better researched upon. Other than that I didn&#8217;t think there was anything too provocative about the video since it didn&#8217;t involve any sex and violence.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bad Girls Do It Well: MMW Responds to M.I.A.&#8217;s Latest Video by David Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Middle eastern music is a class act! I love MIA and I love listening to darbuka and other middle eastern instruments. I think this new group is going to be a hit cause it is hypnotizing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Middle eastern music is a class act! I love MIA and I love listening to darbuka and other middle eastern instruments. I think this new group is going to be a hit cause it is hypnotizing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bad Girls Do It Well: MMW Responds to M.I.A.&#8217;s Latest Video by shin</title>
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		<dc:creator>shin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m japanese and it is pretty common to see western/american culture people and clothes in japanese films, tv and music video. also i guess it is common for most of you to see japanese or asian things in everyday life in your country and i am sure that most of people don&#039;t find it provocative or offensive if it is done with respect. m.i.a just used arabian culture as a theme for her video as justin lin used japanese culture for his film tokyo drift or as sofia coppola used french culture for her film marie antoinette. i don&#039;t think there is any difference between niqab and kimono or jeans and culotte.. i think m.i.a. is cool because she sees different cultures equally and uses them in her own way to create music!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m japanese and it is pretty common to see western/american culture people and clothes in japanese films, tv and music video. also i guess it is common for most of you to see japanese or asian things in everyday life in your country and i am sure that most of people don&#8217;t find it provocative or offensive if it is done with respect. m.i.a just used arabian culture as a theme for her video as justin lin used japanese culture for his film tokyo drift or as sofia coppola used french culture for her film marie antoinette. i don&#8217;t think there is any difference between niqab and kimono or jeans and culotte.. i think m.i.a. is cool because she sees different cultures equally and uses them in her own way to create music!</p>
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		<dc:creator>jaminazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great conversation!

I loved the video for its style, its art direction etc.  I take NO offense at their representation. Girls are not &#039;all up&#039; on the men. they are covered in a way signals not only the &#039;niqab&#039; but a broader symbol of anonymity - which in my opinion - is one of the more radical political claims that can be taken these days (eg anonymous). the ultimate bad girls.

I didn&#039;t not hear of sophia al maria until I saw this video. Her video, the road, is an antidote to the bad girls video. I hope she get&#039;s more exposure because of this. Of course, while there are stylistic &#039;lifts&#039; i&#039;m not mad at the director because that&#039;s the nature of art and cinema. It&#039;s not an academic paper where all ideas and forms must be cited. 

Lastly, there&#039;s another narrative that is hidden. Let&#039;s not forget the abuse that domestic workers from india, sri lanka, and the philippines face on a daily basis the gulf - from men and women! she turns that narrative onto its head - and creates the impossible scenario of a tamil woman leading the pack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great conversation!</p>
<p>I loved the video for its style, its art direction etc.  I take NO offense at their representation. Girls are not &#8216;all up&#8217; on the men. they are covered in a way signals not only the &#8216;niqab&#8217; but a broader symbol of anonymity &#8211; which in my opinion &#8211; is one of the more radical political claims that can be taken these days (eg anonymous). the ultimate bad girls.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t not hear of sophia al maria until I saw this video. Her video, the road, is an antidote to the bad girls video. I hope she get&#8217;s more exposure because of this. Of course, while there are stylistic &#8216;lifts&#8217; i&#8217;m not mad at the director because that&#8217;s the nature of art and cinema. It&#8217;s not an academic paper where all ideas and forms must be cited. </p>
<p>Lastly, there&#8217;s another narrative that is hidden. Let&#8217;s not forget the abuse that domestic workers from india, sri lanka, and the philippines face on a daily basis the gulf &#8211; from men and women! she turns that narrative onto its head &#8211; and creates the impossible scenario of a tamil woman leading the pack.</p>
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