prayer from the cell: W5 and how

W5 and how prayer from the cell by nakedpastor david hayward

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About David Hayward

David Hayward runs the blog nakedpastor as a graffiti artist on the walls of religion where he critiques religion… specifically Christianity and the church. He also runs the online community The Lasting Supper where people can help themselves discover, explore and live in spiritual freedom.

  • http://www.radicalmary.ca Radical Mary (@RadicalMary)

    That’s a lot of trust right there…I’d be scared to send that msg!

  • S

    I probably would expand on that message…..why don’t you do something about anyone’s suffering? Just pick one person with cancer or starving child per day and make a difference. Stop sending hurricanes because there are gay people in the world……

  • http://www.stjohnshillingdon.org.uk Katharine Harrison

    True… So trusting isn’t always a lovely rosy glowing feeling then? Rats.

  • http://theoldadam.com/ Steve Martin

    He does.

    God lets it all happen. It all happened to Jesus. And it will all happen to us.

    But He is with us, through it all. And one Day He will put an end to this veil of tears and usher in the New Kingdom where there will be no more suffering and pain.

    Until then, we tough it out.

  • Beth

    Steve, you always seem so sure of your faith and what god will and won’t do. So I ask you, what did Jesus mean when he said,

    ” 13 Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.”

    Did he really mean he will do anything? You see, I was a believer for a long time and took him at his word. I asked and he didn’t come through…but he said he would. What am I to make of that?

  • http://theoldadam.com/ Steve Martin

    Beth,

    Within God’s will.

    God will not grant anything that is outside of His will.

    Believe me, Beth, I have asked God for many things that have never come to pass.

    Usually I just have myself and my own concerns at heart. God has to consider how these things will also affect the other 5 billion people here, and how it all plays into His plan.

    Basically, I have given up expecting anything. And try to have faith (it ain’t easy) that He knows what is best.

  • Tina

    God is NOT a Santa Claus. God wants to grant us favor (grace.) Think of yourself as an imperfect, suffering being and God of the extension of your spirit. He feels and goes with you through your experiences, but because we are where we are, he allows things to happen and it is how we go through the fires that makes us who we are.

    I have experienced many trials, but can only trust that my spirit will grow in God. I do have to WORK AT IT. I have thought that we are ALL PART OF GOD and HE says He chose us…it is up to us to acknowledge our connection to Him and each other…

    Read from the Amplified Bible… Paul’s letter to the Romans 8:
    24 For in [this] hope we were saved. But hope [the object of] which is seen is not hope. For how can one hope for what he already sees?
    25 But if we hope for what is still unseen by us, we wait for it with patience and composure.
    26 So too the [Holy] Spirit comes to our aid and bears us up in our weakness; for we do not know what prayer to offer nor how to offer it worthily as we ought, but the Spirit Himself goes to meet our supplication and pleads in our behalf with unspeakable yearnings and groanings too deep for utterance.
    27 And He Who searches the hearts of men knows what is in the mind of the [Holy] Spirit [what His intent is], because the Spirit intercedes and pleads [before God] in behalf of the saints according to and in harmony with God’s will.
    28 We are assured and know that [[j]God being a partner in their labor] all things work together and are [fitting into a plan] for good to and for those who love God and are called according to [His] design and purpose.

    As Jesus becomes our prayer partner, I want you to know that I will pray for peace in your soul also. Even though you may face tough situation, you will ultimately be be content in your spirit.

  • S

    Tina,

    As I really respect David and anyone who follows him, I will try not to sound harsh. I am a nonbeliever. I can no longer fathom why we were put on this earth to suffer. Why would a god make us in his image and then say we are imperfect and makes us suffer? You can’t tell me it’s our free will and that it is our own doing. All the children who suffer from starvation and disease did not do anything wrong. I feel so much freer as a nontheist. Now when something bad happens it is not personal, it’s just the way nature and the universe is. Although I wish there was an afterlife (so I could see all my loving relatives and friends again), I gladly give that up to live in the now and try to find a way to help my fellow man now. When a theist says that it is God’s will or it’s in God’s hands, they have effectively given up on the problem. Maybe you are different and keep trying to help.

  • http://theoldadam.com/ Steve Martin

    We can help, in the here and now. But suffering and pain and death will always be with us in this sin-soaked, pride-soaked, and fallen world.

    There is no stopping it. Not even for our Lord Jesus. He endured suffering and the cross. The difference is that He did it for us. So that we might be have faith in Him and be raised from the dead and given new life when we need it again.

    Until then, we live in this world and do the best we can.

  • http://theoldadam.com/ Steve Martin

    This is very brief, but good. And along the lines of this post:

    http://1minutedailyword.com/2012/09/08/hebrews-135-2/

    It really does only take a minute.

  • http://www.unnameablecuriosity.wordpress.com Christine

    *Some* of us only have to tough it out, right Steve? You do believe that the vast majority of the people who have ever lived will be tortured for eternity, do you not?


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