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the same place cartoon by nakedpastor david hayward

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Some will immediately come to the defense of the church and say that I’m painting with a wide brush.

But I challenge you to ask anyone on the street:

“What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘boys’?”

“What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘women’?”

“What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘money’?”

“What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘the poor’?”

“What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘sex’?”

“What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘other religions’?”

“What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘science’?”

I could go on. But I think you get my point.

About David Hayward

David Hayward runs the blog nakedpastor as a graffiti artist on the walls of religion where he critiques religion… specifically Christianity and the church. He also runs the online community The Lasting Supper where people can help themselves discover, explore and live in spiritual freedom.

  • Jerry Lynch

    “What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘marriage.’

    “What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘politics.’

    “What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘war.’
    Yes, very effective way of framing how utterly worldly and bizarre the Church is.

  • http://theoldadam.wordpress.com/ Steve Martin

    Man. I’m so glad that I never went to any of the churches that you went to.

    There are thousands of churches that worship the Lord, and that are not embroiled in scandal or abuse. The ones who have the trouble make all the headlines.

  • http://nakedpastor.com/ nakedpastor

    What’s that Steve? I can’t hear you all the way up there in your ivory tower? You missed the point of the post. It’s about the church in general, of which even yours is complicit.

  • klhayes

    And people may not always be fully aware of what is going on in their own churches or choose not to believe that it could happen in their church.

  • Cat Wolff

    So right on!!

  • Patty

    You’ll get no argument from me, although the dichotomy between “is” and “ought to be” in the church with regards to gay people is what finally drove me away. In the end, though, it was a blessing because it forced me to grow up spiritually.

  • Dennis Irwin

    “What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘boys’?” ….The Heart of Florida Youth Ranch in Citrus FL that is part of my denomination and my church supports. It’s a place for boys who’s parents aren’t around. We do construction, give them money and help mentor them.

    “What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘women’?” – Diane S. who leads mission trips to Romania in December to help the frozen poor. I’ve been on a couple….under her leadership. I’ve been going to church with her for 14 years and I love her.

    “What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘money’?” – Benevolence. My church has a benevolence program that spends over $100,000 a year feeding 800 families a month as well as helping pay mortgage payments, rent payments and a multitude of other needs. It also spends another $100,000 going on mission trips building schools, churches, feeding thousands in Nicaragua to giving MLB baseball equipment to Cuban baseball teams. I could go on……

    “What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘the poor’?” – Besides what I already wrote, we spend thousands keeping 5 old school buses going so we can pick up kids (80?) from the poor part of town so they can come to church on Wednesdays. That’s self serving you might think….but we think they wouldn’t get feed that night if we didn’t pick them up.

    “What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘sex’?” – Even though I’ve been called a bigot here, I’ve taught the Life Application adult Sunday school class for 10 years. Ironically, even though I’ve been called a bigot here, this past week might prove otherwise. There’s this 400lb 19 year old kid who I’ve known since he was 5. This past Sunday he came into my class for the first time, and he was wearing a dress while carrying a purse. I showed him where the Dunkin’ Donuts where and went about class as he sat next to a 65 year old Christian who shared his bible with him. What a bigot.

    “What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘other religions’?” – I think of Steven Masood, a writer who grew up Muslim in Pakistan and visits our church. Sometimes he speaks about what it was like growing up in Pakistan. He might be an Islamaphobe though.

    “What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘science’?” – I think of Dr. Grady S. McMurtry. An evolution scientist that became a creation scientist when he didn’t find any proof for evolution. Fantastic teacher and writer and missionary. He visits our church sometimes. Check out his web page…….http://www.creationworldview.org/default.asp …Only Gary would call him dumb.
    It’s always the other guy in the white tower.

  • Dennis Irwin

    “What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘marriage………..We teach that men should sacrifice themselves for their wives.

    “What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘politics.’ We hate liars.

    “What’s the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ‘church’ and ‘war.’ ….Ancient history.

  • Dennis Irwin

    You’re right Steve. Some folks can’t see beauty for ashes.

  • WillBell

    I’ll admit that for money/the poor the first things that came to mind were positive, but I know there are a lot of scandals revolving around the church too.

  • Adam Julians

    Whatever comes to people’s minds is what they have been socially conditioned and also choose to think about church good and bad.

    The prtrayal of church is negative in the cartoon and that is one expression of what church means, but not a generic one.

    For all of us, if we have had any involvement with church there will have been good and bad expereinces, just as others will have had good and bad expereinces form being in contact with any one of us.

    Perhps it hurts more if we have had a bad expereince fomr church because of wha tthe church is meant to stand for by way of loving God and others, where there is not that expectation elsewhere and we are either guarded or less guarded accordingly.

  • Adam Julians

    true

  • pagansister

    Those questions would be answered differently by different people—-good questions, BTW. Everyone has had different experiences with “religion”—-some good and some not so good—thus influencing their answers. For those that have no experience with a faith either by choice or chance—the answers would probably be influenced by what they have heard through the media.

  • Nikki Ty-Tomkins

    Damn …. I LIKE you … the “graffiti artist on the walls of religion” on Etsy raised my curiosity.

    I’m Thegleefulguru … and my scribbles aren’t as provocative as yours. But the message is pretty much the same. I prefer the direct route. I think of the childhood game in which a sentence is whispered around a circle of children. By the time the last child hears it, it is almost totally different from the original statement, That’s what happens with Religion. A tweak here, an amendment there …. and then of course a few “additons”. Then love and empathy and compassion get lost in a mire of man-made doctrines.
    I cut to the chase.

    “Hello God …. I have a question ….:” Then I sit still and wait ( sometimes for a LONG time ….) and I shut UP. God doesn’t like shouting over me. HeShe wants my FULL attention. When HeSHe has it, I get my answer.

    Then I thank God nicely …. feel the familiar goosebumps which indicate my gratitude is accepted … and go on with my day.
    GG

  • http://nakedpastor.com/ nakedpastor

    great comment!! nice to meet you nikki!

  • Gary

    Dumb? No…I call him a false teacher…a willful liar deceiving the simple minded. Some people out of simple ignorance of facts believe this nonsense. But the leaders of the YEC ministries know fully that many of their claims are based on deliberate falsehoods and and complete scientific rubbish.

    Dumb? No…that would be way too nice of a term for a man such as this.

  • Gary

    http://www.ecalpemos.org/2008/12/dr-grady-mcmurtry-what-are-his.html

    The man is a complete charlatan. A not so slick huckster who even lies about his education, his past, and his qualifications. His Doctorate is from a sham (fake) religious college with no credentials. He has NO QUALIFICATIONS to speak on the subjects he claims expertise in. He feeds the desires of the fundamental biblical literalists and makes a bloody fortune deceiving them and furthering their ignorance. He is most certainly NOT “an evolution scientist”, nor has he ever been. That is a complete lie fabricated to deceive the willfully ignorant.

  • Gary

    http://rosarubicondior.blogspot.com/2012/07/creationists-fooled-by-hoaxes.html

    These shysters are truly men without honor or integrity of any kind. Are you really sure you want to be associated with them Dennis?


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