Quoting Quiverfull: All Feminism is Bad?

by Anna Sophia and Elizabeth Botkin on Visionary Daughters

We actually see this new “conservative” face of feminism as a very dangerous development. We cannot redeem a movement that was conceived in rebellion against God and His design. Feminism certainly comes in several different flavors, but at its core, its message is this: Women have the right to decide for themselves what is right and wrong for them. Since the Garden of Eden, feministic women have valiantly fought for the right to get their own way, and each woman’s only standard is What She Wants –- what is “right in [her] own eyes” (Judges 21:25). This is why the feminist movement is so splintered, schizophrenic and inconsistent, even on the candidacy of Sarah Palin. This is also why “Christian” feminism is an oxymoron.

When feminism becomes more “conservative,” it becomes more insidious. Modern feminism at its roots is socialist and anti-family, and that can’t be changed by painting conservative values on top. We believe “conservative” feminism will seduce and destroy more women (and their families) than radical feminism. What we’re seeing is not feminism becoming more conservative — it’s conservatism becoming more feminist.

We should be warning girls away from feminism before it devastates their lives, rather than “baptizing” it to make it look family-friendly and righteous.

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QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • http://www.nightphoenix.com Amaranth

    Only somewhat related, but it always amuses me when people in the conservative movement throw around words like “socialist” when it’s clear that they have no idea what the word actually means…and that using the word contradicts what they’ve already said.

    I mean, how can a movement be both socialist and all about “what’s right for me”? Last time I checked, socialism and selfish individualism are polar opposite concepts.

    And have these Christians read the book of Acts? The early Christian
    churches were bastions of socialism: holding everything in common, for
    the good of all. Then there are the words of Jesus himself…”the first
    shall be last and the last shall be first”, and all that.

  • brbr2424

    So, these visionary daughters are not Sarah Palin fans. I never understood the appeal of Sarah Palin to fundamentalist Christians. Palin is a terrible mother. She didn’t home school, and her children were the kind of kids homeschooling parents are trying to shield their kids from. The kids were into parties, binge drinking and drugs. The oldest daughter planned a pregnancy. There is nothing conservative about Sarah Palin’s life. Most liberals I know are far more conservative in how they conduct their lives.

  • http://biblicalpersonhood.wordpress.com/ Retha Faurie

    We actually see this “Biblical” face of patriarchy as a very dangerous development. We cannot redeem a movement that was conceived in rebellion against God and His design. Patriarchy certainly comes in several different flavors, but at its core, its message is this: Men have the right to decide not only for themselves what is right and wrong for them, but also for spouses and children what is right for them. Since the Garden of Eden, patriarchal males have valiantly fought for the right to get their own way, and to control women by it (the serpent was a “he”!) and each man’s only standard is What He Wants –- what is “right in his own eyes” (Judges 21:25). This is why the patriarchy movement is so splintered, schizophrenic and inconsistent.

    When patriarchy becomes more “Bible-based” (Bible cherry picking) it becomes more insidious. Biblical patriarchy at its roots is anti-family, and that can’t be changed by painting Biblical values on top. We believe “Biblical” patriarchy will seduce and destroy more men (and their families) than radical feminism. What we’re seeing is not patriarchy becoming more Biblical — it’s Bible believers becoming more patriarchal.

    We should be warning everyone away from patriarchy before it devastates their lives, rather than “baptizing” it to make it look family-friendly and righteous.

  • NeaDods

    I clicked the link to read the whole thing, and feel so deeply, deeply sorry for those messed up girls. They’ve invested so much energy and belief in worshipping their father, in conflating him with god, and in return he holds them close because they are his best fame and clips their wings into total passivity.

    He will inevitably die before them without letting them marry. What will they and their invisible mother do then, having spent a whole life revolving around his dictates and wishes?

    • persephone

      They have absolutely no real world experience, yet they sit around giving advice.
      As you mentioned, when their father god dies, or develops Alzheimer’s, or can no longer support them, what will they do?

      • Madame

        They have brothers. They won’t perish!

        • persephone

          I think the emotional shock will be bigger. What do you do when god dies?

          • Madame

            Good question…
            I guess they will make armbands that say “what would daddy do?”

    • http://biblicalpersonhood.wordpress.com/ Retha Faurie

      Jesus tied “honour your father and your mother” (in adults) to a willingness to provide financially for them when they need it. If that is the metric, then these girls, ironically, never learned to honour their parents.

      • NeaDods

        No, but daddy dearest has certainly learned how to sponge off them. Botkin and Duggar both – they’re more famous for trotting their kids out for cash than they are for what they themselves preach. And yet this is called family stewardship and good parenting!

  • Independent Thinker

    “This is also why “Christian” feminism is an oxymoron.” I have to admit I take this as a personal insult. Just because I attend church and can run a business at the same time doesn’t mean I should be called “Christian”. Christianity is about having faith in a higher power. Feminism in a way is about having faith in yourself as a woman. The two can easily co-exist. My life is living proof of that. Calling yourself educated, wise or experienced in life when you live with your parents, have never held a job, don’t know what it is like to share your life with another human being on an intimate level for an extended period of time is an oxymoron. Pot meet kettle.

  • mayarend

    Wait what? Sarah Palin is a feminist? Since when?
    To these people any woman not barefoot and pregnant is a feminist, is that it? :S

    • Lolly

      from her book “America by Heart”, Palin writes;

      ‘It surprises some people to hear that I consider myself a feminist. I believe both women and men have God-given rights that haven’t always been honored by our country’s politicians. I believe women and men have important differences, but those differences don’t include the ability of women to work just as hard as men (if not harder) and to be just as effective as men (if not more so). I also consider myself a grateful beneficiary of the movement for female equality, particularly Title IX, the federal law that mandates equal opportunity for women in high school and college sports. So I proudly call myself a conservative feminist. ”

      The quote ends with:

      “One question liberal feminists would do well to ask themselves is why most American women today reject the label “feminist”

      Oh, I dunno Sarah, maybe because your BFF Rush Limbaugh has built a lucrative career bashing feminists?

      Conservatives accept her brand of feminism because she engages in the only legitimate work a woman can do outside the home, namely assisting the patriarchy in oppressing other women. She is one among the many hypocritical Serena Joys we have the pleasure of hearing from now and then, the ones who claim to espouse “good Christian family values” (whatever that means, it is never explained any further than that), while they themselves traipse around the country doing anything but being at home with their children, if they even have children. That is what conservative feminism looks like.

      • mayarend

        “conservative feminism” *shivers*
        Thank you for explaining. It still makes very little sense as, basically, she says she is, but isn’t. That’s the kind of person who says we don’t need feminism anymore, after all, women can vote and work, right? :S


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