Quoting Quiverfull: Corporal Punishment?

by Zsuzsanna Anderson from her blog Are They All Yours? -Just Take Away Their Electronic Gadgets

Another teacher in the classroom was having an issue with one of the students being disruptive in class. Exasperated, the teacher “punished” him by moving him somewhere else, to which the student defiantly replied, “If you move me, I am just going to talk wherever you move me to!”

This is the part the shopper at TJ’s was all upset about. “No consequences! That teacher just didn’t enforce any consequences!” she rather yelled at the cashier and myself.

I smiled my sweetest smile, and told her “Well, that’s when it’s time for the paddle to come out.” Boy oh boy, guessing she was a teacher herself, I knew this would not go over well – I was just trying to see what her exact reaction would be.

“Oh, NO!” she exclaimed in horror. “No, no, NO!” In fact, she was acting so horrified I started thinking that maybe she was just being sarcastic, and actually agreed with me. Then she added: “You just take away all their electronic gadgets!”
Me: Really? Hm. What if they don’t have any?

Teacher: Every kid has them!

Me: Mine don’t.

Teacher: They don’t? You better get on that, because when they start kindergarten, they will be expected to know how to use a computer.

Me: Well, actually, we homeschool, so they will never start public school

Teacher (disgusted): Do you even own a computer

Me (laughing): Yeah, obviously! And laptops, tablets, smart phones, and on and on. But we don’t let our kindergarteners use them

At this point her transaction was done, and she rather indignantly made her exit, reiterating the importance of me making sure our children are familiar with every electronic gadget on the market.

Lately, both my husband and I have heard of confiscating electronic gadgets as a popular new form of discipline. While I agree that limiting a child’s “screen time” (as opposed to “face time”) is generally a good idea, I fail to see how it makes a good teaching tool. The only way it would be effective is if the child is already addicted to said gadgets, which he/she shouldn’t be. So if you are doing this thing of parenting halfway decently, your child would not be addicted to an electronic screen to the point that it being taken away causes withdrawal symptoms.

Also, if a child’s whole social life is dependent upon access to social media, that is a sad state to be in. Cutting off the electronics evidently is the modern day equivalent of “grounding.” Of course, none of these sophisticated new forms of punishment are anything the Bible suggests.

So yes, get out the good old paddle for that disrespectful, mouthy pupil who sasses the teacher.

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QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull honestly and thoughtfully.

NLQ Recommended Reading …

Breaking Their Will: Shedding Light on Religious Child Maltreatment‘ by Janet Heimlich

Quivering Daughters‘ by Hillary McFarland

Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement‘ by Kathryn Joyce

 

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  • Lolly

    “I smiled my sweetest smile, and told her “Well, that’s when it’s time for the paddle to come out.”

    Is passive aggressive behavior part of the homeschooling curriculum?

    Once again, here is an example from Nancy’s “Misery List”. Of course, there are items 1-3, that’s a given. Here is a chance to brag about what great parents they think they are and how righteous they are. Instead of listening or just saying “it sounds like you’re frustrated and having a bad day” and maybe actually showing… I don’t know… kindness and leaving it at that? No, the fundy in question has to find a way to confront, to insert themselves and their doctrine into the conversation, just to “see what her exact reaction would be”, like religion is a game, and children are the game pieces. I’m right, and you’re not doing the parenting thing right, your kids are screwed up, your kids are in a “sad state”, because you don’t hit kids for talking.

    We also see:

    “Mirror yourself continually in the opinion of others,” – trying to gauge reactions, making sure we know that the fundy thinks the recipient of their “wisdom” is “disgusted” and “indignant”

    “Trust nobody but yourself,” – Your parenting is awful, not even halfway decent

    “Insist on consideration and respect, ” – Electronics aren’t in the bible, and I just said “bible” so respect me.

    “Demand agreement with your own views on everything,” Get out the good old paddle, it’s my way and it’s the only way.

    Some of the comments are pretty funny, though.

  • persephone

    Yes, homeschooling is the best way to hide the bruises when you beat your children.

  • Em

    This left me feeling like I just walked in on someone masturbating. Self gratification much?

  • NeaDods

    That’s quite a kickline of fallacies she’s got going on there, starting with excluded middle. In fact, the whole thing is based on a series of wild leaps of logic that she seems to think are iron clad, but do not connect to each other at all!

    There are more ways of punishing a child other than deprivation and beatings; she seems to think that because she’s sneered at the former, the latter must therefore be the sole remaining option. Wrong.

    Liking something is not the same as being addicted to it, but she makes that leap with the grace of a gazelle, asserting twice in two sentences that taking away electronics (from the secular kids, naturally) IS JUST THE SAME as drug abuse. She actually talks about “withdrawal symptoms” with zero justification. The opponent she thinks she’s scoring points over simply said that depriving desired electronics is a fitting punishment for misbehavior. It’s our supposedly more rational blogger who is wildly exaggerating both punishment and effect.

    She continues to wildly exaggerate in the next paragraph, conflating online friends with “a child’s whole social life.” Again, the teacher neither implied nor said that the “whole” social life of the children she taught was online.

    And then she mislabels electronic deprivation as “grounding.” Last time I looked, grounding was a whole litany of things that restricted movement and communication (when I was grounded, in the days before the internet, I was not allowed to use the phone.) She blows past every other part of grounding to simply fiat announce that “This is the new grounding.” No evidence, no argument, just assertion.

    She equally asserts that the Bible is agin’ it all… without so much as a single Bible verse cited. Not one about communication, not one about parenting… not even one about beating the snot out of your kids, although she’s going to ice this whole illogic cake with”therefore, beatings. Quod erat demonstrandum.”

  • shuttergirl46q

    Other adults MAY NOT paddle my child. If my child is so disrespectful and “mouthy” that he cannot be controlled by other means, then I should be involved. And if the parents don’t condone paddling (which I do not), then any other adult who paddles the kid should be brought up on assault charges.

  • Independent Thinker

    It’s really beneficial as a parent to occasionally see things from another parents point of view. Hypothetically speaking if I was a fly on the wall seeing this conversation in action it is quite easy to see the teacher was probably a bit surprised that someone would hit their children with a wooden board. Her reaction was sincere it appears that she was attempting to offer at least one positive alternative to striking a child. I highly doubt in a casual conversation she would have the time to cover an extensive list of discipline options along with the pros and cons of each. It’s not a parenting book it’s a sincere attempt at one mom offering another my the opportunity to consider a better way to handle her children. It takes a certain type of person to totally ignore sincere concern.

  • Saraquill

    …So she’s blogging about the evils of social media.

  • Lolly

    This is how I read it too. It seems like a case where no one is really hearing anyone.

    Exasperated, the teacher “punished” him by moving him somewhere else, to which the student defiantly replied, “If you move me, I am just going to talk wherever you move me to!”

    First, how does the writer know the student is being defiant, it seems like the fundy is inserting emotions that are not necessarily there. To me, it reads as honesty, the student honestly is saying, where ever you move me, I will keep talking. Why not just everyone stop with the consequence thing and just listen? The fundy writer was too busy preparing her confrontation to actually hear what anyone was saying. Everyone is focused on their own agenda.

  • Saraquill

    What I find weird is that the writer wants the teacher to beat her students. I’m sure there are regional differences, but that really sounds like a firing offense.

    Unless the writer’s plan is to make the teacher unemployable so that she has to stay at home all day taking care of her parents or husband.

  • Lolly

    Well, you know what happens to kids who can’t stop talking in school. They become radio announcers, sports announcers, and go into other fields where their gifts of gab are put to good use. Unless their parents beat them into silence, of course.

  • Lolly

    I see what you did there.

  • Nightshade

    Nice self-righteous, holier-than-thou attitude there.

  • Hannah

    Clearly, someone missed the memo that taking away a child’s toys is NOT a new form of punishment (and not necessarily the same as grounding). The toys have just changed, not the punishment. Take away a doll, take away the Skip-It (Had that done to me as a 90′s kid, don’t remember what I did but I never did it again!), take away the iPod, it’s all the same idea.

    Now, I don’t object to spanking, but I am a firm believer that anything more than a firm-but-not-hard swat on the bum with a hand is too, too much. Paddle is a Huge no-no to me. And NEVER should an adult swat someone else’s child! I babysat and worked childcare for 15 years, and never once did I have to swat a child. (I did have one mom give me permission to… but those kids never even needed a time-out). A kid who talks back after being moved is looking for attention, and a good teacher will know how to take it away from him.

    Lady, you may not like social media, but it’s a reality that’s here to stay. It’s not going to harm your kindergarteners if they play with a “gadget” for an hour or two a day. Kids don’t have to be “addicted” to something for taking it away to be a punishment. All they have to do is enjoy it (see me and the Skip-It).

  • Christine

    But the lack of corporal punishment is one of the problems with the public school system, doncha know? /sarcasm

  • Baby_Raptor

    Anyone who hits their kids should have them taken away and put in a home with parents who have half an idea how real humans treat their offspring.

  • AlisonCummins

    I have actually been in situations where a quick smack was the least-worst option available to me, but they were easily avoidable (though not by me) situations and I wasn’t happy or smug about it.

    I even agree with her that taking electronic gadgets away is probably not a good parenting technique. It’s post hoc and unrelated to the “offense” and it doesn’t adress the fundamental issue.

    But I can’t think of any kind of good parenting that requires the use of a paddle, ever.

  • AlisonCummins
  • gimpi1

    Well done, Lolly. Good examples of people in a sub-culture talking past each other.


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