Mark Driscoll Tweet on Thou Shalt Not Kill

by Bruce Gerencser cross posted from his blog The Way Forward

mark driscoll tweet on murder

Yesterday, misogynist Fundamentalist Calvinist pastor of Mars Hill Church, Mark Driscoll tweeted:

“Thou shall not murder” includes suicide, terrorism, euthanasia, abortion, but not necessarily capital punishment, just war, self defense.

Currently, Driscoll is incoherently preaching through the Ten Commandments at Mars Hill. This past Sunday, Driscoll preached on the command, thou shalt not murder (kill) . Based on Driscoll’s tweet, he thinks:

Murder is:

  • Suicide
  • Terrorism
  • Euthanasia
  • Abortion

Murder is not:

  • Capital Punishment
  • Just War
  • Self Defense

Welcome to the schizophrenic world of Evangelicals as  they try to hang on to their right-wing politics while still professing to be followers of Jesus. Countless Evangelicals think just like Driscoll does. While I do not have any empirical proof, I suspect that Driscoll’s interpretation of, thou shalt not murder, is the dominate Evangelical view.

When terrorists fly planes into buildings in New York and Washington DC, it is murder. When American drones kill women, children, and non-combatants, it is just war. When America prosecutes its immoral war on terror or when American planes drop napalm on helpless Vietnamese, it is just war. When American planes drop incendiary bombs and nuclear bombs on helpless Japanese, it is just war.  When “terrorists” respond in kind and kill American soldiers it is murder.

When a person decides to end their life, either by their own hand or through the help of a compassionate physician, it is murder.  When the State straps a man, convicted of a capital crime based on circumstantial evidence, to a gurney and injects him with pharmaceuticals, it is not murder. When the State hangs, shoots, or gasses a convicted criminal, it is not murder. Yet, if my pain becomes such that I can no longer bear it, and I choose to swallow a handful of drugs in order to end my pain and suffering, it is murder.

If a woman aborts a zygote it is murder, but if an American bomb blows an Afghan, Pakistani, or Iraqi infant to bits, it is just war. Every abortion, from the moment of conception is murder, yet killing the mother in a just war, executing her for a crime, or killing her because she, in a hormonal rage, threatened me, is not.

Got it, This all makes complete sense to me.

Ahab, at the Republic of Gilead, focused on the suicide aspect of Driscoll’s tweet. Ahab writes:

On October 21st, Mars Hill Church pastor Mark Driscoll posted a tweet that read, “‘Thou shall not kill’ includes suicide, terrorism, euthanasia, abortion, but not necessarily capital punishment, just war, self defense.” Driscoll’s anti-choice approach to abortion did not surprise me, but his demonization of suicide caught me off guard. The implication, it seems, is that Driscoll sees suicide as a sinful form of killing, in the same moral category as terrorism.

Driscoll’s lack of empathy and compassion disturbed me. Suicide is an act of despair, the act of someone who cannot see a way out of a painful situation. For many, suicide is the tragic end of their struggles with mental illnesses, addiction, or trauma. Mental health disorders such as depression, substance abuse, a family history of mental illness or substance abuse, and traumas such as physical or sexual abuse are all risk factors for suicide. It’s also a significant public health issue. According to the CDC, suicide was the cause of death for 38,364 persons in 2010, making it the 10th leading cause of death for that year. Instead of demonizing suicide as a sin, we must recognize it as a serious public health problem and offer support to those at high risk.

To declare suicide a sin is to demonize and belittle people who struggle with despair. It ignores our responsibility to help those in need, ostracizing people with suicidal ideation as “bad” and “other”. To boot betrays a dangerous ignorance about mental illness, addiction, and trauma, one that I’ve seen too often among fundamentalists.

And I’m sick of it…

Like Ahab, the Evangelical approach to mental illness and suicide sickens me. Is it enough for a Christian pastor to say, God commands you to not kill yourself?  How is the person who is struggling with suicidal thoughts to interpret God’s prohibition against suicide? They are at a place in life where they see no other way to deal with their pain besides killing themselves. It is evident that religion is rarely an antidote for suicidal thoughts. It is not enough to tell them that they need to have more faith or that they just need to trust God. Telling a depressed person that God will never give them more than they can bear only deepens their pain and depression.

Several years ago I realized I was one of people my friend Ahab calls, at high risk. I have battled with depression my entire adult life. As an Evangelical pastor, I hid my depression from everyone but my wife and children. After all, God only wants winners, right?  Anyone who commits suicide is the ultimate loser.

This hiding of my depression only depressed me further. Finally…three years ago, I sought out secular, professional help. The psychologist I see every two weeks has helped me tremendously. Has he cured me of depression? No. Has he kept me from having suicidal thoughts? No.  He has, however, kept me from sliding down into the pit of darkness so far that there is no hope of return.  He has become the knot tied on the end of the rope. He knows that my depression is driven by the health problems I have. When pain levels are off the chart and I am reduced to a human blob sitting in a recliner holding a TV remote, he knows I am at risk. This is why one of the first questions he asks me is, how are you feeling? All that he requires of me is that I be honest.

If God says thou shalt not kill yourself was all I needed to hear to assuage thoughts of suicide, I would have killed myself long ago. Evangelicals like Mark Driscoll have a simplistic, reductionist view of the world and human suffering.  They likely cause far greater pain and suffering than not.

Let me end with this post with the Biblical and theological implications of Driscoll’s interpretation of, thou shalt not murder.

As I mentioned in a post yesterday, the Bible says, the Bible Driscoll says is the infallible, inspired, inerrant, Word of God:

For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. (Revelation 22:8)

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (John 8:44)

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,envyings,murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21)

Based on these verses, no one who commits suicide, has an abortion, murders a person, performs an abortion, or helps a person end their life, is a Christian.  The God who said, thou shalt not murder, also said that murderers will not inherit the kingdom of God and will burn forever in the Lake of Fire.

 

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Bruce Gerencser spent 25 years pastoring Independent Fundamental Baptist, Southern Baptist, and Christian Union churches in Ohio, Michigan, and Texas. Bruce attended Midwestern Baptist College in Pontiac, Michigan. He is a writer and operates The Way Forward blog. Bruce lives in NW Ohio with his wife of 35 years. They have 6 children, and nine grandchildren.

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  • http://brucegerencser.net/ Bruce Gerencser

    Thanks for mentioning my article and the disclaimer. :)

    The issue of the killing was important, troubling, and perplexing to me as a pastor and it continues to be so now that I am an atheist. Of course, the notion of suicide being murder is a sensitive issue for me since my mother committed suicide and I have battled with depression most of my adult life.

  • Madame

    Bruce,

    Excellent post. I am sorry that you’ve had to suffer in silence with your depression, and I’m glad you have found help in secular psychology.

    I`d heard fundamentalist Christians call suicide “a selfish act”, but murder? This is the first time.

    I thought Mark Driscoll suffered depression for some time. He talks a lot about having had adrenal fatigue, being sexually frustrated, and feeling overwhelmed. You would expect him to show more compassion for people who suffer with despair.

    Yet, during those times, he was preaching about marriage, sacrificial love, time management for a good husband, and everything else in his Song of Songs preaching series. When I read about that, I stopped listening to anything he had to say.

    Maybe Mark should step down from the pulpit and sort himself out. He isn’t making any sense.

  • Edie Moore McGee

    Perhaps he is in denial. Denial is so powerful!

  • http://www.wideopenground.com/ Lana

    oh yea, I grew up hearing that suicide is murder.

  • http://www.wideopenground.com/ Lana

    Many years ago I let go of the belief that it was okay to kill people, even in war, because I believed people went to hell. I have trouble seeing how any Christian who believes in hell could justifying killing someone if that person will go to hell. I could understand a few exceptions (but very few), but I dondon’t see how one could maintain pro-dealth penalty like most fundamentalists do. Now I’ve had to reshift this thinking since I stopped believing in hell.

  • Catherine

    How does a “just” war differ from an “unjust” war?

  • Trollface McGee

    If your side wins, it’s a just war, if the other guys win, it is unjust.

  • mayarend

    I’d say more. If you agree with the war, it is just, if you don’t (or someone you don’t agree with is starting it) then it’s not. 😛

  • SAO

    As the song says, Might makes right, until they see the light.

    Fundamentally, terrorism is an opinion. You could argue that we fought in Afghanistan and Iraq to prevent an attack on us. Many Muslims feel their countries, cultures and religion is threatened by the US. So they may feel justified in attacking us.

    You don’t get to a solution without looking at a problem from your enemy’s perspective. So, refusing to consider any viewpoint except your own leads to endless way and is, therefore, immoral.

  • Madame

    I agree with this:

    “You don’t get to a solution without looking at a problem from your enemy’s perspective.”

  • Hannah

    I wish I had been able to get secular therapy as an early teen. I really thought there was something wrong with me when I would get to the dark places. Still don’t know what caused them, but looking back my exposure to this kind of crowd was trying to make it go away. Needless to say, it only made it worse.

    Slightly OT: My husband and I were given Mark and Grace Driscoll’s marriage book as a wedding gift (by someone who’s not married and I’m sure didn’t know what was in it). We don’t want to regift it and are both bookies so morally opposed to burning/binning it… but what do we do with it? don’t want to keep but can’t justify passing it on.

  • Edie Moore McGee

    Sell it on Amazon. Anyone can sell used books there. You might only make pennies, but it’ll be off your shelves and the hands of someone who wants it.

  • Madame

    Good idea. I’d take it off your hands, just to read it and write a very negative review!

  • http://biblicalpersonhood.wordpress.com/ Retha Faurie

    Good idea.
    I think write the review Irina Alisa Bee suggested, then sell it like Edie Moore McGee suggested.

  • Madame

    I burned a stack of marriage books once. I went through a stage of buying books looking for answers on how to fix the problems in my marriage but the books never addressed what I wanted them to address (not directly), and all my attempts at getting my husband to see what was wrong were getting me nowhere. I tore the pages out and threw them in the fire!

  • Irina Alisa Bee

    I would just write a detailed analytical review of what is wrong in it, like the other wonderful reviews on this site.

  • Edie Moore McGee

    I sometimes think that people who think like Mark Driscoll have never known suffering or been close to someone who is suffering.

  • Saraquill

    “When American planes drop incendiary bombs and nuclear bombs on helpless Japanese…”

    Far from helpless, actually. The Japanese were causing untold grief in China, the Philippines, Korea, Burma and other places in the Pacific. They were also training Japanese civilians, including children, on how to fight Allied soldiers for then their country was invaded. One such battle in Okinawa lasted two months.

    I’m not saying that the American bombings were or were not justified, or that there were or weren’t Japanese victims. It gets my goat that this piece of history gets misremembered.

  • Kat Emralde

    To be honest, the first time I read the tweet I thought it was an Atheist snarkily poking fun at ‘those crazy Christians’… I do NOT understand how someone can honestly reconcile the ideas in that tweet.

  • Jennifer

    “yet killing the mother in a just war, executing her for a crime, or killing her because she, in a hormonal rage, threatened me, is not”

    Removing a zygote is not murder, but a great deal of abortions are a brutal killing of a child, and no, that makes no sense. However, if the mother was convicted of a crime like drowning her children, was a soldier or terrorist for a country we’re at war with, or attacks with knife or gun an innocent person..um, yes, it DOES make sense to take violent action against her. No one said anything about her being in a mere hormonal rage, for cripe’s sake.

    “When “terrorists” respond in kind and kill American soldiers it is murder”
    How strange you skip the part where Japan first slaughtered innocent Americans, not to mention the awful actions people like the 9/11 terrorists commit, and “circumstantial evidence” in capital murder, in THIS day and age? You assume or mention only the worst in America, while focusing only on innocent people getting hurt in countries often run by terrorism or people on death row, a great deal of whom bragged, filmed, or reveled in their horrific crimes. I’m not ok with drones or anything causing widespread destruction to whoever might be near, but for pete’s sakes we are one of the most humane countries on this planet; I still can’t believe we wasted months or even years trying to get a terrorist to willingly shave his face before trial. I’ve never liked Driscoll and he badly needed to fill in the blanks of his statements here, but you’ve attempted to do so for him very inadequately.