Quoting Quiverfull Litmus Test – Nancy Campbell

Or an example of how famous religious people spread disinformation (or as they are called in the Bible, lies)

Normally the way we do Quoting Quiverfull here on NLQ is we post a quote from someone in the Quiverfull movement that many look up to without any commentary, only a request to be respectful. That was until this moment, after uncovering this example of how extreme Christianity lies confidently as if their lies are actually established truth, muddying the water.

Isn’t lying still listed as a sin, one of the Ten Commandments?

Posted will be the usual quote/content and proof of the lie will be posted beneath in italics.

by Nancy Campbell from Above Rubies – Watch Out

You are most probably aware that written in the 2,517 pages of Obama Care, that hardly a soul has read, that they will be giving a minimum of $500,000,000.00 to Planned Parenthood each year. Our government does not promote life, but death. Obama Care is not for our blessing but to take control of our lives.

Actually, Nancy, Planned Parenthood is not receiving money from the Affordable Care Act (also known as ‘Obama Care’) for abortions. They have been receiving around 500 million from the government, give or take a few 40 or 50 million or so, for some time now before the ACA. None of that money may be used for abortion at all. Only 3% of the services provided by PP is abortion-related. Most of the rest is preventative care.

What monies from the ACA that PP will receive are the same money being given out to any health care provider that helps sign up people for the ACA, not to provide abortions.

It makes me think of Nehemiah 9:37, “Also they have dominion over our bodies, at their pleasure, and we are in great distress.”

Last week a dear friend called me to say that she received a knock on the door. A lady stood there from a local government agency to state that her perfectly beautiful and HEALTHY 10 year old daughter had not had a medical checkup in the last year! She didn’t need a checkup. She is totally healthy! Can you believe such an invasion into family life? And this just happened last week.

Hmm, this sounds like something that would be a strict violation of the HIPPA law. Unless, of course, the mother and child are enrolled in a state program. Even then it would be more likely you’d receive a postcard or letter informing you that a well child check should take place soon. No, Nancy, there’s nothing wrong with ANYONE getting a check up. It’s a wise decision if you can afford it.

Very very unlikely that this incident took place. Research turned up nothing on door to door health screenings or visits from government agencies. Now before the Affordable Care Act went into effect there were door to door people from Organizing For America under the aegis of the US Dept of Health and Human Resources going out to explain the plan and help educate people how to sign up if they were interested.

If we don’t stand up now for truth, we will lose all our freedoms.

If you don’t knock off distorting the truth then by your own rules you’ll end up frying in hell. ACA is law now, no matter if you hate it or love it. Nancy is indulging in more fear mongering to control her followers.

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QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • Nea

    So many things to say all at once…

    1) If the child is healthy, why so upset about the idea of a checkup? Afraid they’ll find something? Afraid they may call it abuse?

    2) Cite sources for knowing for sure the child was healthy. I’m a full adult and I thought I was perfectly fine until a question in a routine checkup had the doctor saying “OMG, I need to get you into surgery ASAP!” And yes… had the problem been ignored a little longer, I would very likely now be extremely ill or dead. That’s what checkups are for – to get a specialist’s stamp of approval on your idea of your own health.

    3) I know, the problem is that TEH EBIL GUMMIT is keeping tabs on the continued health and existence of a child. The corollaries here are that only family elders get to say if a family member lives or dies.and that no member of the family is also a member of a larger society or nation. Both of them are pretty scary concepts to hold.

    4) What does “beautiful” have to do with anything in this context? Consumptive patients have been called “beautiful.”

    4a) Isn’t it prideful to focus on beauty, especially to draw attention to it when it has nothing to do with the story at hand?

    5) If you don’t knock off distorting the truth then by your own rules you’ll end up frying in hell

    Ah, Calulu, every atheist can tell you that lying in the service of religion isn’t really a lie. We’ve been told that to our faces, usually right after puncturing a come-to-Jesus story that started “I was an atheist just like you” and then describing no form of atheism ever.

    6) I’ve heard a lot of people saying that they’re terrified that Obama is or will strip their freedoms I have yet to hear an actual list of freedoms that Obama has removed. (I’ll list Patriot Act as missing freedom, but it was a Bush doctrine.)

  • Saraquill

    I fail to see what’s so bad about making sure that the children they refer to as “blessings” get adequate healthcare.

  • Catherine

    I don’t understand that either. Why shouldn’t their children grow up as healthy as possible?

  • Madame

    “1) If the child is healthy, why so upset about the idea of a checkup?
    Afraid they’ll find something? Afraid they may call it abuse?”

    IF this incident actually happened, I can see why the parent would be upset. Unless there are regular checkups that one must attend, then it’s up to the parents to decide, and showing up at the door like that is quite distasteful.

    We have regular checkups that our children have to go to and the doctor has to prove we attended. The invitation comes with the warning that if we don’t take our children before a given date, CPS will get involved.

    I found that rather disturbing for a while, but I see the need to remind parents of these checkups because it is important to make sure whatever health problems a child may have are caught as early as possible.

    I can’t comment on “obamacare”. If it’s anything like an NHS, where everyone has access to health care and children are treated for free, then I’m for it. If you aren’t rich, sometimes your children will go without necessary medical treatment. Should that be happening in one of the wealthiest countries in the world?

  • Trollface McGee

    In fundie world:
    Freedom: Not having the choice of which religion/denomination to believe in, not having your choice of spouse, not having your choice of career or education because of your race/nationality/gender, not being able to control what happens to your body. Government being able to enforce all of the above – not a threat to freedom.
    Being denied freedom/Tyranny/Commun-Nazi-Socia-Muslimism: Government making it slightly easier to get health care, government encouraging healthy decisions like getting check-ups, eating healthy veggies, or eating less processed foods.

  • TLC

    I don’t know of ANY agency or health care provider that would knock on someone’s door and tell them their child needed a checkup. If abuse were reported, social services would do a home visit.

    I can’t tell you how many people are making up this crap and passing it around. And they do it because they know their audience is too lazy to look into it and test it before they believe it.

  • Nea

    Or it totally must be true because their brother’s wife’s hairdresser’s best friend totally knew the people it happened to.

  • TLC

    Or they posted it on Facebook!

  • Sixes_are_Sevens

    It’s even worse than that – once you point out that the stories aren’t true, they say that they’re still good stories.

  • Madame

    Yeah. That they surely could happen, and how would we feel if it happened to us?

  • Nea

    Slacktivist has a great post about that, called Jackie at the Crossroads. Tell Jackie that a story she’s told often and loves is wrong and she has two choices – roll with reality, or double down in defense. Link: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2010/09/19/jackie-at-the-crossroads/

  • TLC

    Don’t know if anyone has posted this here — pease excuse me if I am repeating.

    There’s a great book called “The Authoritarians” that explains how this works. It’s a free PDF. Click on the top link to download it.

    http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

  • TLC

    Love this! It really grates on my nerves when people pass on crap like this without even checking it out. Especially “good Christians” who take their Bible literally.

  • Sixes_are_Sevens

    I always remember something else the Slacktivist has mentioned at least once – it’s all about the stories that you /want/ to believe. Some people want to believe the worst.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    It would be a huge HIPPA violation if it was anything but social services and even then that’s not how they work.

  • Trollface McGee

    My grandma gets those kinds of visits – but that’s because she’s signed up for a lot of services and the Social Services/Elder Services office monitors her to make sure she gets what she needs. So I’m thinking this family is in some sort of program that’s like that, maybe for kids.
    *Although most people who sign up for programs like that don’t complain when they work as they are intended to.

  • SAO

    If a knock on the door is a terrible intrusion, then the Girls Scouts selling cookies are agents of evil.

  • http://yllommormon.blogspot.com/ aletha

    Those lesbian-supporting calorie-laden cookies of DOOOM!