Saturday Links: Jessa Duggar – Bloggers Sound Off

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This week the thing most talked about in many of the blogs I encountered was reactions to the news that JimBob Duggar finally approved a young man to court his daughters. So here's a list of  some of our Spiritual Abuse Survivor Blogs Network bloggers and their thoughts on the news.Makes me sad for the kids how the Duggars make "Announcements" in the media about things that would normally be considered private information in most families, not an opportunities to grab the attention of the media. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Two Hours?

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by Vaughn Ohlman from the blog True Love Doesn't Wait - Two Hours My interlocutors on ‘Quoting Quiverful’ have been having a field day with Joshua and Laura’s betrothal. Mostly at my expense. I think they feel more sorry than anything for the young couple. Funny how Joshua and Laura don’t feel sorry for themselves. But, that aside, there is something they don’t understand (OK, there’s a lot of things they don’t understand, but one can only focus on one thing at a time) and I thought I would address it. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: A Girl’s “List”?

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Debi Pearl of No Greater Joy in a video about preparing for marriage - A Girl's List - Preparing To Be A Helpmeet. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: What is ‘Courting’?

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The news came out yesterday that the third Duggar daughter, Jessa, was in courtship with a young man from church. Here's Ma and Pa Duggar's explanation of what Courtship is.by Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar from People Magazine and ABC News. Jim Bob explains: "Courting is getting to know each other in a group setting, both families spending time together and the couple setting goals together to determine if they are meant to marry. With dating, a couple will often pair off alone and that sometimes leads to a more physical relationship." … [Read more...]

The Intellectual Honesty of Betrothal

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by The GraduateThe Intellectual Honesty of BetrothalRecently, a lot of news has been made about the betrothal announcement between Joshua Ohlman and Laura Camp, who became “betrothed” or engaged at their parents’ wishes after two hours of knowing each other.   Vaughn Ohlman runs “True Love Doesn’t Wait,” a website dedicated to advocating early marriage with no involvement on the part of those actually to be married, save signing rather long “marriage” contracts.If there is one thing I must grant to Vaughn, it’s this:  He at least accepts the logical conclusions of his beliefs, whereas Vision Forum, ATI, and others, try to soften the inevitable conclusions of where their worldvie … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Motherhood is a Calling?

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by Rachel Jankovic posted on John Piper's blog Desiring God - Motherhood is a Calling Motherhood is not a hobby, it is a calling. You do not collect children because you find them cuter than stamps. It is not something to do if you can squeeze the time in. It is what God gave you time for. … [Read more...]

You Can Fall in Lust But Not Love?

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by Calulu cross posted from her blog True Love Doesn't RapeVaughn Ohlman's latest scripture limbo playing fast and loose involves braying that it's not possible to 'fall' in love. Why? Well, because falling is mentioned in the Bible as a negative or passive word according to the few scriptures he managed to pull up and glom together to support his point.Hey, join in that FUN game, grab some scriptures and claim they mean all sorts of things it's likely they … [Read more...]

CTBHHM: In Which Debi Can’t Read Genesis

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by Libby Anne cross posted from her blog Love Joy FeminismCreated To Be His Help Meet, pp. 118Debi starts this next section with a quick overview of what is required of a help meet: God tells us that we are to be help meets: We are to submit, obey, and even … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Don’t Work With Men as Equals?

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by Bill Gothard of ATI/Vision Forum (If not personally written by Bill he has approved the message)  "While unmarried women may have more flexibility in applying the principle that women were created for a domestic calling, it is not the ordinary and fitting role of women to work alongside men as their functional equals in public spheres of dominion … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Why is it Always About Sex?

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by Vaughn Ohlman from True Love Doesn't Wait - If Courtship Were HonestThe other day I was speaking to a courtship advocate and he called my definition of marriage ‘shortsighted’. What was my definition? Well, it was just a partial definition but it was ‘a lifelong sexual relationship’, basically. My interlocutor didn’t like that, since he was trying to say that, in a courtship done well, there was no possibility for the young man to ‘lust’ after the woman he was courting. That he could continue to treat her as a ‘sister’ and denied they had a ‘quasi-covenant’. … [Read more...]


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