Examining ATI Wisdom Booklets: Booklet 2 – Breathing and Speech

by Mel cross posted from her blog When Cows and Kids CollideAll images from When Cows and Kids Collide.This is part four in Mel's dissection of Bill Gothard's ATI Wisdom Booklets, the educational system used by TLCs Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar and many others in Quiverfull to educate their children. Mel exposes how fundamentally flawed much of the information is in the teaching materials. This post is 7 pages long.I get a strange feeling of unease every time I type "ATI" and "medical" in the same sentence.  I think this is because the medical section is quite strange.  This section, for example, manages to be very detailed without necessarily teaching information well. … [Read more...]

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Mythical Creation Science: Part 2 Doesn’t Carbon-14 Disprove The Bible?

by Mel cross posted from her blog When Cows & Kids Collide(You can read Part 1 here)In the previous post in this series, I gave a lengthy, but hopefully accessible overview of how radioactive dating work using carbon-14 dating (also referred to as radiocarbon dating).At the end, I pointed out two scientific and mathematic points that YEC supporters neglect to bring up: 1) In YEC, the earth is 6,000 years old.  This means that all radiocarbon dating should give us an age of 1.04 half-lives or less.  (Because I'm sporting, I'll spot them 1,100 years and extend the half-life limit to 1.25 half-lives or 7,143 years and 9 months.) … [Read more...]

Mythical Creation Science: Part 1 – Doesn’t Carbon-14 Dating Disprove The Bible?

by Mel cross posted from her blog When Cows and Kids Collide(all images in this posting belong to When Cows and Kids Collide)Welcome back to the crazy world of young-Earth creationism.Today, we cover chapter 7 of The New Answers Book One by Ken Ham.  This chapter tries to disprove carbon-14 dating in specific and radioactive dating in general.  The author of this chapter - Mike Riddle - and I agree on one thing: a basic overview or review of atomic structure is needed.Let's start at the outside of a carbon atom.  As we approach the atom, will first enter the outer shell of electrons.  In carbon, the outer shell has four electrons.  In the most recent unde … [Read more...]

Mythical Science Creation: What About “Living Fossils”?

by Mel cross posted from her blog When Cows and Kids CollideThis chapter of The New Answers Book 4 (TNA4) edited by Ken Ham is one of the better written chapters in the whole series.  Written by Dr. John Whitmore, the chapter is a rare example of YEC literature that is readable by a scientist.Some benefits: … [Read more...]

Mythical Creation Science: Faint Sun Paradox

Mythical Creation Science: Faint Sun Paradoxby Mel cross posted from her blog When Cows and Kids CollideThis one caught my attention in The New Answers Book 4 (TNA 4) in a chapter titled "What Are Some of the Best Evidence in Science of a Young Creation."  This was number 4 in a list of 10  evidences for YEC within science.What do they claim? … [Read more...]

Mythical Creation Science: The Beginning

by Mel cross posted from her blog When Cows and Kids CollideEditor's note: New series by Mel, who is a science teacher. This is an important one considering so many in Quiverfull homeschool their children and may not have much of a science background. Good work Mel!I'd like to start a series of blog posts on the problems with "Creation Science". Since I've been reading NLQ, I realized that some parents who home-schooled while in CP/QF then left or kids who have grown up in that system may realize that "Creation Science" seems...wrong....but don't entirely know how to explain the actual sciences involved well enough to fix their educational gaps. … [Read more...]

NLQ Question of the Week: Why is Established Science Ignored?

This is a new series we have started running on Thursdays. Examining some of the questions involving long held Quiverfull theology and life.Yesterday when I was reading through The Daily Mail's interview with Advanced Training Institute/Institute of Basic Life Principles founder Bill Gothard and preparing to post it here I was struck anew by the complete denial of scientific thought in Quiverfull. Example: In last night's posting Gothard claimed that the wrong kind of lust can damage the immune system and the endocrine system. There's no science to back this up any more than his claims that the semen of a man who is not your husband will cause cancer. No science behind it. … [Read more...]

Jason Lisle Says There is No Such Thing as an Atheist

by Bruce Gerencser cross posted from his blog The Life and Times of Bruce GerencserImagine, for a moment, that every time someone told me they were a Christian I told them that they weren’t really a Christian because there is no such thing as a Christian. It says right here in the Book of Bruce Almighty® that everyone knows that Bruce Almighty exists and that anyone who says they are a Christian is suppressing their knowledge of the existence of Bruce. The Christian would likely say that they know they are a Christian because Jesus saved them and they believe the teaching found in the Bible. Imagine if I REFUSED to allow the Christian to authentically tell their own story.  Can you ima … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Ten Reasons Swanson Likes to Homeschool

by Kevin Swanson speaking at a Homeschooling ConferenceComments open below … [Read more...]

What Was It Really?

From the long dead blog X-ATI Girl's BlogToo fascinating not to post here.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Dear X-ATI Girl,Please advise.  Recently someone asked me the question: what is ATI?It’s hard for me to ponder the question ‘what is ATI’ because I guess I really don’t know myself.  (Why, it’s the Advanced Training Institute.  Training in what?  Well I’m not sure actually…) … [Read more...]


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