Christian Reconstruction, ATI, Abuse and Submission: Modesty and Lust Part 8

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by SJ Reidhead cross posted from her blog The Pink Flamingo It isn’t very often that I get to use my favorite things in a blog – the Wild West & Opera, but this time, I can. The images are of the greatest barihunk there ever was, and ever will be – Sherrill Milnes! Yes, you know me well. Submitted for your approval is a photo of Dmitri Hvorostovsky in Phoenix in 2012. There’s something about a barihunk in a cowboy hat!  This entire letter is in response to a piece posted on a blog, criticizing cowboys and American culture in general.  I gather we’re all going to hell because we’re individuals, don’t submit, and don’t dress like a modified Amish cult. MY … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Modesty Was ‘God’s Idea’?

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by Tony Reinke in John Piper's blog Desiring God - Is Feminine Modesty About Sex? Men and women serve each other here. A godly Christian man refuses to treat women as objects of lust, humanizes them, and shows respect to his sisters in Christ as fellow heirs (Romans 8:17). A Christian woman, modestly dressed, serves her brothers in Christ, honors her husband (1 Peter 3:1–6), and removes an unnecessary obstruction from her testimony of personal godliness in society and the church (1 Timothy 2:8–15). Whether or not men are also called to a standard of modesty in fashion is a relatively new conversation in the church, and one we need to think through together in the future. But what … [Read more...]

Christian Reconstruction, ATI, Abuse and Submission: Modesty and Lust Part 6

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by SJ Reidhead cross posted from her blog The Pink Flamingo NOTE:  For more information on fashion during the Biblical era, The Far Right’s Manly, Sexy Jesus.  For a history of the period, in perspective:  Part I: Jerry Boykin’s Homo-Erotic Tribute to Manly Men also has a brief fashion history of the Jewish people.   Part II: Jerry Boykin’s Homo-Erotic Tribute to Manly Men contains a short history of bathing and cleanliness of the ancient Hebrews. Part III: Jerry Boykin’s Homo-Erotic Tribute to Manly Men is about soap, water, deodorant, and the basics of the ancient bath in relationship to the Judeans during the time of Christ. … [Read more...]

Christian Reconstruction, ATI, Abuse, & Submission: Modesty and Lust Part 5

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by SJ Reidhead cross posted from her blog The Pink Flamingo I’m not a strong advocate for sex outside of marriage.  I am certainly no advocate for adultery, which I think is wrong.  It’s one of the Ten Big Ones, as in Thou Shalt Not.  But, fornication, which is sex between individuals who are not married either to one another, or anyone else, is not considered a major sin.  I do think, though, it is an invitation to complicate one’s life.  That’s why I avoid the subject, and the process.  It’s complicated, complicating, and just tends to get in the way of life.  Maybe that’s a cop-out, but I have enough problems right now.  I don’t need to deal with the emotional ups … [Read more...]

Christian Reconstruction, ATI, Abuse and Submission: Modesty and Lust Part 4

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by SJ Reidhead cross posted from her blog The Pink Flamingo “…When I think about my clothing choices in college it simultaneously convicts me of immodesty and helps me understand the struggle girls face trying to be modest. I wasn’t trying to be inappropriate. I just wanted to look good. I was single. I wanted to be attractive to girls and I wanted to be affirmed by other guys. For me to be modest I would have needed to wear looser shirts that I didn’t think looked as good on me. That would have been tough. And making that tough decision would have made me much more appreciative and considerate of my sisters in Christ….” … [Read more...]

“Modesty is Hottest” and Girls’ Self Confidence

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by Libby Anne cross posted from her blog Love, Joy, Feminism By now, you’ve probably heard “modest is hottest” thrown around like a mantra. There are “modest is hottest” fashion shows and “modest is hottest”conferences for girls. It’s about time I weighed in. Frankly, I’m conflicted. When I was a teen striving to dress modestly, I struggled with body image. I covered my body in baggy clothing. I felt unattractive, and that affected how I carried and viewed myself. So I like the idea that in many churches girls like I was are now being encouraged to think about fashion and dress in a way that makes them feel confident and good about themselves. That’s a good … [Read more...]

Not Quoting Quiverfull: Protecting Sons?

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Blogger Bunker Down has written an excellent rant about modesty - How the modesty police are hurting my son If you want your daughter (and hopefully son) to dress modestly because you want them to value their intrinsic self over their outer self?  Fabulous.  If you want your daughter (and hopefully son) to dress modestly to create healthy attitudes toward sexuality?  Great.  If you want your daughter (and hopefully son) to dress modestly to glorify the Creator of all things?  Boo-ya.  If you want your daughter (and hopefully son) to dress modestly because it is a long standing tradition of your church/synagogue/people/culture/or group?  Awesome possum. … [Read more...]

The Female Body, a Source of Contamination

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by Libby Anne cross posted from her blog Love, Joy, Feminism I recently came upon a blog post titled “How the Modesty Police Are Hurting My Son,” in which blogger Ami writes about trying to teach her son that he is responsible for his own actions even as those around her tell him that girls are responsible for covering up so as to “protect” him. As I looked through the mostly positive comments on her post, I was struck by this one: I think it’s great that you teach your child all these things—and I think it’s great that parents teach their children modesty. And sometimes it is to protect boys—they can’t un-see a girl’s body once it’s been seen barely clad. Many … [Read more...]

Christian Reconstruction, ATI, Abuse and Submission: Modesty and Lust Part 3

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by SJ Reidhead cross posted from her blog The Pink Flamingo So-called ‘Christian’ Modesty is a strange critter, at best.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with any group implementing a dress code. Feeling like a rank hypocrite and jerk, where I was once dead set against school uniforms (when I was in school) I now think they are the only answer to any number of problems schools and students face.  If a church or sect, or cult wants to have their plain dress, head pieces, or sailor suits of a Hubbard rear admiral or something, that’s fine.  It is still a somewhat free country where we should be somewhat free to practice what ever form or religion, or no religion, as long as we … [Read more...]

Christian Reconstruction, ATI, Abuse and Submission: Modesty and Lust Part 2

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by SJ Reidhead cross posted from her blog The Pink Flamingo What does Randy the guinea pig have in common with the men of ATI, patriarchy, and Christian Reconstruction? Thanks to No Longer Quivering, the pieces of what modesty is doing to the culture in general, and the perversions of Bill Gothard are finally fitting into the Christian Reconstruction puzzle. Supposedly the piece is a letter from a father to his daughters. It is sick, disgusting, and basically incestuous. No NORMAL father would even begin to discuss this with his daughters. … [Read more...]


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