Saturday Links: Jessa Duggar – Bloggers Sound Off

This week the thing most talked about in many of the blogs I encountered was reactions to the news that JimBob Duggar finally approved a young man to court his daughters. So here's a list of  some of our Spiritual Abuse Survivor Blogs Network bloggers and their thoughts on the news.Makes me sad for the kids how the Duggars make "Announcements" in the media about things that would normally be considered private information in most families, not an opportunities to grab the attention of the media. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Two Hours?

by Vaughn Ohlman from the blog True Love Doesn't Wait - Two Hours My interlocutors on ‘Quoting Quiverful’ have been having a field day with Joshua and Laura’s betrothal. Mostly at my expense. I think they feel more sorry than anything for the young couple. Funny how Joshua and Laura don’t feel sorry for themselves. But, that aside, there is something they don’t understand (OK, there’s a lot of things they don’t understand, but one can only focus on one thing at a time) and I thought I would address it. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: What is ‘Courting’?

The news came out yesterday that the third Duggar daughter, Jessa, was in courtship with a young man from church. Here's Ma and Pa Duggar's explanation of what Courtship is.by Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar from People Magazine and ABC News. Jim Bob explains: "Courting is getting to know each other in a group setting, both families spending time together and the couple setting goals together to determine if they are meant to marry. With dating, a couple will often pair off alone and that sometimes leads to a more physical relationship." … [Read more...]

You Can Fall in Lust But Not Love?

by Calulu cross posted from her blog True Love Doesn't RapeVaughn Ohlman's latest scripture limbo playing fast and loose involves braying that it's not possible to 'fall' in love. Why? Well, because falling is mentioned in the Bible as a negative or passive word according to the few scriptures he managed to pull up and glom together to support his point.Hey, join in that FUN game, grab some scriptures and claim they mean all sorts of things it's likely they … [Read more...]

Being a Nerd Has Its Benefits: An Ode to the Bullied

by Joe Sands cross posted from his blog Incongruous Circumspection We were poor.  There were seven of us.  We lived with a single mother who refused to work, thinking it was religious anathema for a woman to do so.  So, we lived on about $16,000 a year in food stamps and cash assistance.  My mother may have struggled, but we never noticed.  The government helped, as well as everyone else that either took pity on us or fell in love with our family.Life was good.Then we got on the school bus.The clothing we wore was old.  The styles from a decade past, remembered by the olive greens, the oranges, the browns, the long hair on both men and women, the drugs.  The seventies were over a … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Why is it Always About Sex?

by Vaughn Ohlman from True Love Doesn't Wait - If Courtship Were HonestThe other day I was speaking to a courtship advocate and he called my definition of marriage ‘shortsighted’. What was my definition? Well, it was just a partial definition but it was ‘a lifelong sexual relationship’, basically. My interlocutor didn’t like that, since he was trying to say that, in a courtship done well, there was no possibility for the young man to ‘lust’ after the woman he was courting. That he could continue to treat her as a ‘sister’ and denied they had a ‘quasi-covenant’. … [Read more...]

Pastor Rapes Away the Gay and Gets By With It

by Bruce Gerencser cross posted from his blog The Way ForwardNo commentary from me. The story from Addicting Info says it all: <A HREF="http://ws.amazon.com/widgets/q?ServiceVersion=20070822&MarketPlace=US&ID=V20070822%2FUS%2Ffamiliesthatflou%2F8010%2F3a66ffe9-ddd0-4d6b-8d9b-5eebb6c82db3&Operation=NoScript">Amazon.com Widgets</A>No commentary from me. The story from Addicting Info says it all: By now, we’ve all undoubtedly heard of and been outraged by a Montana judge sentencing a former teacher to a mere 30 days in prison for raping one of his female students. But have you heard of the Iowa youth pastor who is walking free after confessing to raping boys to “ … [Read more...]

Why Betrothal Isn’t ‘The Answer’

by Calulu cross posted from her blog True Love Doesn't RapeLast week brought the news that Vaughn Ohlman of True Love Doesn't Wait betrothed his son Joshua to a young lady up in Michigan named Laura Camp. I wish both of them well, they look like good well-scrubbed Fundie Christians. They're going to need all the luck and good wishes they can garner considering the explanation of betrothal Josh's dad gave in the wake of the announcement.Marriage isn't easy under the best of circumstances. It's a struggle sometimes to create a union where each is valued for who they are and both partners fit together in complimentary ways. Their type of betrothal sets up a pretty high potential for … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Public Schooling is Always Mediocre?

by Carma from her blog Winging It and Ladies Against Feminism - Put Your Own Mask on First in response to an article at Salon - Private school vs. public school: If You Send Your Kid to Private School, You Are a Bad Person The gist of Ms. Benedikt’s article is the point she intends to make, which is:But it seems to me that if every single parent sent every single child to public school, public schools would improve. This would not happen immediately. It could take generations. Your children and grandchildren might get mediocre educations in the meantime, but it will be worth it, for the eventual common good. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Teen Pregnancy?

by Vaughn Ohlman from True Love Doesn't Wait - Teen Pregnancy We had great news from one of our friends the other day: one of their teenagers was pregnant!(Yeah, read that again. I actually said it. No, I wasn’t kidding. Good news: teen… pregnant.)It used to be that a pregnant teen was a cause for congratulations. The whole church would gather around her and congratulate her. Oh, wait, I left something out. They would gather around her… and her husband. … [Read more...]


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