You Can Fall in Lust But Not Love?

by Calulu cross posted from her blog True Love Doesn't RapeVaughn Ohlman's latest scripture limbo playing fast and loose involves braying that it's not possible to 'fall' in love. Why? Well, because falling is mentioned in the Bible as a negative or passive word according to the few scriptures he managed to pull up and glom together to support his point.Hey, join in that FUN game, grab some scriptures and claim they mean all sorts of things it's likely they … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Don’t Work With Men as Equals?

by Bill Gothard of ATI/Vision Forum (If not personally written by Bill he has approved the message)  "While unmarried women may have more flexibility in applying the principle that women were created for a domestic calling, it is not the ordinary and fitting role of women to work alongside men as their functional equals in public spheres of dominion … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Following a Leader?

by Nancy Campbell of Above Rubies - Are You Following The Leader? This morning at Family Devotions we read the Scripture we know so well, "Be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Modesty Prayer?

by Stacy McDonald of Ladies Against Feminism and Your Sacred Calling  -  Living out Biblical Principles: A Young Woman's Prayer of Chastity I have made a covenant with my body to be discreet and chaste; why then should I flaunt myself before men? Does God not see my ways and count all my steps (Job 31:1,4)? … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Divorce and Abuse?

by Michael Pearl of No Greater Joy - Divorce and AbuseThere is a treasure trove of Michael Pearl answering Bible Questions on YouTube and  No Greater Joy. Trigger warning for Christianese and meat butchering. … [Read more...]

Why Betrothal Isn’t ‘The Answer’

by Calulu cross posted from her blog True Love Doesn't RapeLast week brought the news that Vaughn Ohlman of True Love Doesn't Wait betrothed his son Joshua to a young lady up in Michigan named Laura Camp. I wish both of them well, they look like good well-scrubbed Fundie Christians. They're going to need all the luck and good wishes they can garner considering the explanation of betrothal Josh's dad gave in the wake of the announcement.Marriage isn't easy under the best of circumstances. It's a struggle sometimes to create a union where each is valued for who they are and both partners fit together in complimentary ways. Their type of betrothal sets up a pretty high potential for … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: The Groom’s View

by Joshua Ohlman at his father Vaughn Ohlman's site True Love Doesn't Wait - Betrothal Announcement Here is the announcement  that Joshua sent to his home church in Lubbock:Proverbs 18:22 “Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD.”I would like to praise God for making me a recipient of the blessings found in the verse above. A week ago Friday I had the incredible blessing of flying to Michigan and meeting and betrothing to myself a wonderful woman who had been known as Laura Camp, and who we now call Laura Ohlman (betrothed). … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Queens Serve?

by Nancy Campbell of Above Rubies - Do  You Want To Be A Queen?Do you complain that all you seem to do is serve everyone in your home? Oh forgive me. I have been guilty of making the same complaint! However, did you know that serving belongs to rulers? It belongs to kings and queens. … [Read more...]

Escaping the Emotional Damage of Our Fundamentalist Christian Past

by Bruce Gerencser cross posted from his blog The Way ForwardMaybe.If a person is a relative newcomer to Christian Fundamentalism, and they decide to leave it for a non-Fundamentalist Christian religion, another religion, or atheism, I think it is likely quite easy to view their Fundamentalist past as nothing more than a blip in their life.  However, for those of us who were raised up in Christian Fundamentalism and spent years attending Fundamentalist churches, it is much harder for us to escape. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Teen Pregnancy?

by Vaughn Ohlman from True Love Doesn't Wait - Teen Pregnancy We had great news from one of our friends the other day: one of their teenagers was pregnant!(Yeah, read that again. I actually said it. No, I wasn’t kidding. Good news: teen… pregnant.)It used to be that a pregnant teen was a cause for congratulations. The whole church would gather around her and congratulate her. Oh, wait, I left something out. They would gather around her… and her husband. … [Read more...]