You Can Fall in Lust But Not Love?

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by Calulu cross posted from her blog True Love Doesn't RapeVaughn Ohlman's latest scripture limbo playing fast and loose involves braying that it's not possible to 'fall' in love. Why? Well, because falling is mentioned in the Bible as a negative or passive word according to the few scriptures he managed to pull up and glom together to support his point.Hey, join in that FUN game, grab some scriptures and claim they mean all sorts of things it's likely they … [Read more...]

CTBHHM: In Which Debi Can’t Read Genesis

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by Libby Anne cross posted from her blog Love Joy FeminismCreated To Be His Help Meet, pp. 118Debi starts this next section with a quick overview of what is required of a help meet: God tells us that we are to be help meets: We are to submit, obey, and even … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Don’t Work With Men as Equals?

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by Bill Gothard of ATI/Vision Forum (If not personally written by Bill he has approved the message)  "While unmarried women may have more flexibility in applying the principle that women were created for a domestic calling, it is not the ordinary and fitting role of women to work alongside men as their functional equals in public spheres of dominion … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Why is it Always About Sex?

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by Vaughn Ohlman from True Love Doesn't Wait - If Courtship Were HonestThe other day I was speaking to a courtship advocate and he called my definition of marriage ‘shortsighted’. What was my definition? Well, it was just a partial definition but it was ‘a lifelong sexual relationship’, basically. My interlocutor didn’t like that, since he was trying to say that, in a courtship done well, there was no possibility for the young man to ‘lust’ after the woman he was courting. That he could continue to treat her as a ‘sister’ and denied they had a ‘quasi-covenant’. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Following a Leader?

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by Nancy Campbell of Above Rubies - Are You Following The Leader? This morning at Family Devotions we read the Scripture we know so well, "Be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Modesty Prayer?

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by Stacy McDonald of Ladies Against Feminism and Your Sacred Calling  -  Living out Biblical Principles: A Young Woman's Prayer of Chastity I have made a covenant with my body to be discreet and chaste; why then should I flaunt myself before men? Does God not see my ways and count all my steps (Job 31:1,4)? … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Divorce and Abuse?

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by Michael Pearl of No Greater Joy - Divorce and AbuseThere is a treasure trove of Michael Pearl answering Bible Questions on YouTube and  No Greater Joy. Trigger warning for Christianese and meat butchering. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Be Feminine?

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by Colin Campbell from Meat For Men - Real Men Appreciate Feminine WomenReal men do not appreciate women who try to be men. Nor do they appreciate men who act like women. Real men, who have the right amount of testosterone powering through their veins, appreciate women for their femininity. They appreciate that women have a different role to men. … [Read more...]

Why Betrothal Isn’t ‘The Answer’

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by Calulu cross posted from her blog True Love Doesn't RapeLast week brought the news that Vaughn Ohlman of True Love Doesn't Wait betrothed his son Joshua to a young lady up in Michigan named Laura Camp. I wish both of them well, they look like good well-scrubbed Fundie Christians. They're going to need all the luck and good wishes they can garner considering the explanation of betrothal Josh's dad gave in the wake of the announcement.Marriage isn't easy under the best of circumstances. It's a struggle sometimes to create a union where each is valued for who they are and both partners fit together in complimentary ways. Their type of betrothal sets up a pretty high potential for … [Read more...]

CTBHHM: An Army of Two

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by Libby Anne cross posted from her blog Love Joy FeminismCreated To Be His Help Meet, pp. 117-118Hold onto your hats, because this week is going to be an interesting one. In this section, Debi is heavy on the military metaphors, and it gets pretty intense. Your husband, dud that he may “appear” to be, is appointed by God to be your immediate Superior Officer in the chain of command. Your position under him is where God put you for your own spiritual, emotional, and physical safety. It is the only position where you will find real fulfillment as a woman. Don’t worry about the quality of his leadership, for he is under the oversight of Jesus Christ. He must answer to God for how he le … [Read more...]


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