Lourdes, Lifeboats, and Bounded Choice: The Complicated Process of Exiting Totalist Groups Part 4

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by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Spiritual Sounding BoardObstacles that Second Generation Adults like Lourdes Torres-Manteufel must overcome when exiting threatening, high demand situations and groups like Doug Phillips’ Vision Forum “When we leave, we actually don’t have what we need to survive outside.” ~ Jill Mytton … [Read more...]

Lourdes, Lifeboats, and Bounded Choice: The Complicated Process of Exiting Totalist Groups Part 3

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by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Spiritual Sounding Board Using Katie Botkin’s lifeboat analogy, Cindy Kunsman explores the “Second Generation Adult” and Lourdes Torres-Mantefeuel’s alleged sex abuse by Vision Forum’s Doug Phillips By Cindy Kunsman, UnderMuchGrace.com On the same day that Lourdes Torres-Manteufel’s petition was filed, the first cousin of Vision Forum’s Stay at Home Daughter evangelists/role models published a blog essay that I found deeply moving. Katie Botkin, the daughter of Geoffrey Botkin‘s brother Greg, noted that attorney David C. Gibbs III filed the documents on the anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic. Doug Phillips used the event as a talking point and cele … [Read more...]

Lourdes, Lifeboats and Bounded Choice: The Complicated Progress of Exiting Totalist Groups: Part 2

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by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Spiritual Sounding BoardRead Part 1 first...***Cindy Kunsman explains how Doug Phillips relegated Vision Forum acolytes to bounded choice – a dynamic only intensified for Lourdes Torres-Manteufel by alleged sex abuse.***Note from Julie Anne:  This is Part 2 of Cindy Kunsman’s series on Bounded Choice.  In this series she is helping us to understand the process people go through when they have lived in a high-controlling religious system as was Lourdes Torres-Manteufel’s experience.  Lourdes’ and Cindy’s story can help shed light in our own experience or the experience of someone we know and love.  Having this understanding is pivotal in t … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Bill Gothard and Doug Phillips are like ‘Surrogate Daddies’ not Sexual Predators?

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by Nathaniel Darnell from Persevero News - Of Men and Megalomanics(It must be noted that Nathaniel Darnell also worked at Vision Forum for some years with Doug Phillips. Covering for sexual predators is an ongoing problem in ministries and churches.)Is it possible that some of the accusations being made against Mr. Gothard (and other surrogate daddies) are due to his assuming a “daddy” role in the life of many of the young ladies that came to his ministry and talking to them about various intimate things, or treating them in various intimate ways that might would have been appropriate for a father (but not necessarily appropriate for a non-relative)? … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Holding Leaders in the Church to Accountability is “Blaspheming”?

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by Stacy McDonald of Your Sacred Calling blog and Ladies Against Feminism - Blashphemed(sic) or Hallowed Be His Name Again, Paul is describing the way we, as a Church, may cause God’s Word to be blasphemed when we falsely represent His holiness by teaching or living a life counter to His Word. That could be through unrepentant sin or by teaching a distorted view of Scripture. … [Read more...]

6 Examples of HSLDA Trying to Keep Vision Forum Outside the Mainstream

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by R.L. Stollar of Homeschoolers AnonymousOn April 15, 2014, WorldNetDaily did an in-depth report on Lourdes Torres-Manteufel’s sexual assault lawsuit against Christian Patriarchy advocate Doug Phillips. In the report, WorldNetDaily interviewed Michael Farris from the Home School Legal Defense Association. Farris appeared to put Phillips and patriarchy “on blast”: … [Read more...]

Is the Christian Homeschool World Really Changing?

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by Libby Anne cross posted from her blog Love, Joy, FeminismThings are changing in the Christian homeschooling world. Vision Forum has fallen and ATI is shaken. People are talking, really talking, and the narratives are shifting. … [Read more...]

Duggars and Courtship

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by Lana Hope cross posted from her blog Wide Open GroundA lot of people have pointed out how many Christian groups and churches are anti-gay. Even though these Christians love to say that they love the sinner and hate the sin, it does not remove the pain that a gay person has to face. If a gay teen comes out gay, the church will still pray for him and believe he needs to change. Sure the church claims to love the teen, but he’s still told he is sinning, and there is still that voice that something is wrong with him, and that he needs to change. … [Read more...]

News: It’s A Crazy Evangelical World Out There!

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Lots of interesting stories out there this week following the celebrations of Easter and 4/20 on the same day:From World Magazine.Com: Looks like Teen Mania/Global Expeditions has lost its Garden Valley, Texas property to foreclosure - Management ManiaVice.com calls the Lourdes Torres lawsuit against Doug Phillips 'an indictment of the Biblical Patriarchy movement and fundamentalism writ large' and explains why this is very bad news for fundamentalism - A Masturbation Lawsuit is Rattling Christian Homeschoolers … [Read more...]

Lourdes Torres, Christian Homeschooling and Consent

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by Libby Anne cross posted from her blog Love, Joy, FeminismI recently came upon an excellent example of what I was talking about when I wrote my “The Tale of Two Boxes” post several years ago. Homeschool leader Chris Jeub had this to say in a recent blog post titled “Patriarchy Has Got To Go“: In a nutshell, Phillips is being sued by his former nanny, someone he knew for over a decade and was very close to the Phillips family. Her lawyers have graphic details of Phillips forcing himself sexually, and Phillips’ lawyers are denying little of it, claiming “consensual” contact between adults.For those of us in the Christian homeschool community, this is just as bad as guilty. Phillips i … [Read more...]


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