Lourdes, Lifeboats, and Bounded Choice: The Complicated Process of Exiting Totalist Groups Part 4

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by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Spiritual Sounding BoardObstacles that Second Generation Adults like Lourdes Torres-Manteufel must overcome when exiting threatening, high demand situations and groups like Doug Phillips’ Vision Forum “When we leave, we actually don’t have what we need to survive outside.” ~ Jill Mytton … [Read more...]

Lourdes, Lifeboats, and Bounded Choice: The Complicated Process of Exiting Totalist Groups Part 3

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by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Spiritual Sounding Board Using Katie Botkin’s lifeboat analogy, Cindy Kunsman explores the “Second Generation Adult” and Lourdes Torres-Mantefeuel’s alleged sex abuse by Vision Forum’s Doug Phillips By Cindy Kunsman, UnderMuchGrace.com On the same day that Lourdes Torres-Manteufel’s petition was filed, the first cousin of Vision Forum’s Stay at Home Daughter evangelists/role models published a blog essay that I found deeply moving. Katie Botkin, the daughter of Geoffrey Botkin‘s brother Greg, noted that attorney David C. Gibbs III filed the documents on the anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic. Doug Phillips used the event as a talking point and cele … [Read more...]

Lourdes, Lifeboats and Bounded Choice: The Complicated Progress of Exiting Totalist Groups: Part 2

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by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Spiritual Sounding BoardRead Part 1 first...***Cindy Kunsman explains how Doug Phillips relegated Vision Forum acolytes to bounded choice – a dynamic only intensified for Lourdes Torres-Manteufel by alleged sex abuse.***Note from Julie Anne:  This is Part 2 of Cindy Kunsman’s series on Bounded Choice.  In this series she is helping us to understand the process people go through when they have lived in a high-controlling religious system as was Lourdes Torres-Manteufel’s experience.  Lourdes’ and Cindy’s story can help shed light in our own experience or the experience of someone we know and love.  Having this understanding is pivotal in t … [Read more...]

Lourdes, Lifeboats, and Bounded Choice: The Complicated Process of Exiting Totalist Groups Part 1

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by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from The Spiritual Sounding BoardAfter reading the account of the Lourdes Torres-Manteufel abuse by Vision Forum founder, Doug Phillips, Cindy Kunsman reflects on her own sex abuse story.Note from Julie Anne:  I remember talking to Cindy Kunsman around the time the Lourdes Torres-Manteufel lawsuit was made public. Lourdes’ story greatly affected her in a personal way, reminding her of her own sexually abusive childhood. This sometimes happens when someone else’s story reminds us of our own painful experience. Statistics tell us that there are a lot of people who have been sexually abused. If you have been sexually abused, this may be a sensitive subject f … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Holding Leaders in the Church to Accountability is “Blaspheming”?

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by Stacy McDonald of Your Sacred Calling blog and Ladies Against Feminism - Blashphemed(sic) or Hallowed Be His Name Again, Paul is describing the way we, as a Church, may cause God’s Word to be blasphemed when we falsely represent His holiness by teaching or living a life counter to His Word. That could be through unrepentant sin or by teaching a distorted view of Scripture. … [Read more...]

6 Examples of HSLDA Trying to Keep Vision Forum Outside the Mainstream

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by R.L. Stollar of Homeschoolers AnonymousOn April 15, 2014, WorldNetDaily did an in-depth report on Lourdes Torres-Manteufel’s sexual assault lawsuit against Christian Patriarchy advocate Doug Phillips. In the report, WorldNetDaily interviewed Michael Farris from the Home School Legal Defense Association. Farris appeared to put Phillips and patriarchy “on blast”: … [Read more...]

News: It’s A Crazy Evangelical World Out There!

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Lots of interesting stories out there this week following the celebrations of Easter and 4/20 on the same day:From World Magazine.Com: Looks like Teen Mania/Global Expeditions has lost its Garden Valley, Texas property to foreclosure - Management ManiaVice.com calls the Lourdes Torres lawsuit against Doug Phillips 'an indictment of the Biblical Patriarchy movement and fundamentalism writ large' and explains why this is very bad news for fundamentalism - A Masturbation Lawsuit is Rattling Christian Homeschoolers … [Read more...]

Lourdes Torres, Christian Homeschooling and Consent

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by Libby Anne cross posted from her blog Love, Joy, FeminismI recently came upon an excellent example of what I was talking about when I wrote my “The Tale of Two Boxes” post several years ago. Homeschool leader Chris Jeub had this to say in a recent blog post titled “Patriarchy Has Got To Go“: In a nutshell, Phillips is being sued by his former nanny, someone he knew for over a decade and was very close to the Phillips family. Her lawyers have graphic details of Phillips forcing himself sexually, and Phillips’ lawyers are denying little of it, claiming “consensual” contact between adults.For those of us in the Christian homeschool community, this is just as bad as guilty. Phillips i … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Submission Keeps You From Being Victimized?

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by Rebekah (Doug Wilson's daughter) at Femina - On Not Being A Victim 1. Christian women should be characterized by submission. No matter how much cool-shaming is thrown at the concept of headship and submission by the hipper-than-thou crowd, we can’t get around it that the Bible teaches this. Some people scream and run when they hear the word submission, and men like Doug Philips make that reaction understandable. Then over amongst the crowd that’s all gung-ho about submission there is frequently a scary lack of nuance. On the two sides of this question you find people waving their flags saying either, “submission is terrible,” or “submission is wonderful.” But submit is a a word like love. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Victim Blaming

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by Doug Wilson from Blog and Mablog - Vice, Victims and Vision ForumRe: Doug Phillips and Lourdes Torres Given that, either his sexual attentions were entirely unwelcome, or they were not. If they were not unwelcome, then the affair appears to have been one of complicated and unconsummated adultery, with two participants. She was an adult, and so if his attentions were not entirely unwelcome, she was a player in the vice, not a victim. The victim in this would have been Beall, with two people victimizing her. … [Read more...]


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