Quoting Quiverfull: Part 2 – It’s Biblical For Men to Need More Than One Wife?

by Larry Solomon from Biblical Gender Roles - Why Would God Make Men With Polygynous Natures When They Cannot Act Upon Them? (as usual no direct link to this guy - it is the top most piece on his website)Editor's note: Here Larry is trying to claim that God gave men desires for more than one woman as a way to protect and provide for women. He's claiming it's for the benefit of women. Let's ask some of the female escapees from the FDLS how well protected and provided for they felt during their years in polygamy. Larry is clearly pulling this nonsense straight out of his testicles. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Submitting Even Unto Rinsing Dishes His Way?

by Martha Peace from John Piper's The Counsel on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood - Soap Bubble SubmissionEditor's note: Here's a piece by another woman in Quiverfull that seems to think that rational discussion of problems with the males in your life over mundane and petty irritations isn't to be done. Instead smile and submit. This is one of the many reasons a lot of women love their automatic dishwashers. Why are simple problems treated like something big and no one is ever willing to discuss things in this world? … [Read more...]

Created To Need A Help Meet – Part 4 Washing of the Word (Share My Yoke By Doing What I Say!)

by Aletha cross posted from her blog Yllom Mormonp 156-157We are still talking about Michael's idea that wives need sanctification and cleansing. Why? Because Christ and the Church is the same as husband and wife! Because...Bible? Oh, and I hope you're ready to really dive into the Bible, because this section is chock full of scripture. … [Read more...]

Fear and Crusades

by Living Liminal cross posted from her blog Living LiminalRecently, I left this comment on Jory Micah's blog post regarding Mark Driscoll's unhealthy teaching on submission: "The whole ‘biblical submission’ teaching is absolutely toxic! Despite the fact that it is a residue of the shepherding movement (whose leaders have long since repented of their teaching) men are still peddling versions of this crap because it panders to their egos and means they get to be ‘over’ others. It damages lives and is the antithesis of Jesus’s teachings. … [Read more...]

Answering ‘Preparing To Be A Help Meet’ – How Do I Submit To A Husband That’s Always Changing?

Another installment of giving better answers to the questions asked at Debi Pearl’s site message board for the book ‘Preparing To Be A Help Meet’. Many young ladies ask questions on all sorts of different subjects brought up by the book. There was just one big problem, many of the answers stray into either the outright bad and emotionally unhealthy to dangerous. Yes, typical Debi Pearl borderline abusive. Here’s what we’re going to be doing here at NLQ. Every week, once or twice a week, I’ll be posting up one of the questions from the message board and ask you, our readers, to answer that poor soul’s question in a way that is logical,  rational and the best possible solution, in other words 1 … [Read more...]

Answering Quiverfull: Wifely Submission and the Flanders Family

by Vyckie Garrison founder NLQEditor's note: This bit is featuring the disingenuous Flanders Quiverfull family that attempted to pass themselves off as normal Christians on the same Al Jazeera show that had Vyckie on last night. Shared from Vyckie Garrison's Facebook page. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Women Pastors Are ‘Sinning’

by Tim Dukeman as quoted by Lori Alexander at Always Learning - Men Make Better PastorsEditor's note: So not only are women responsible if their husbands abuse them they also cannot be pastors or elders in churches because vagina. Wonder what these people make of the Mother Theresa's of this world? Oh yeah, I forgot, it's okay for women to serve others, but not to tell any man what he should do. All Christians who believe the Bible will affirm that the office of elder {Pastors are simply the elders who labor in preaching and teaching} is limited to men. We affirm this because the Bible says it with greater clarity than almost anything else.However, as we affirm this truth, we often … [Read more...]

Marriage and Family Ministries on the Christian Patriarchal Watch List for Parents

by Emily cross posted from the Christian Patriarchal Watch List for Parents(Editor's note: A listing of ministries identified as hazardous for Christian families by the Christian Patriarchal Watch List for Parents) Are these the "family values" you want for your daughter? or yourself?The Family-Integrated Church (a network led by Doug Philips and highly affiliated with Vision Forum Ministries (see below) others based on "The family-integrated model jettisons all age-graded ministries. Those who adhere to this model view each family unit (single or married, with or without children) as one 'block' that comprises the local church. That is, they view the church as a family of … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Part 6 – Every Woman a Jezebel?

by Debi Pearl from No Greater Joy - The Jezebel ProfileEditor's note: Wow, Debi really has a twisted understanding of exactly who and what the Proverbs 31 woman is. She's not sitting around praying, she's not running around teaching, she's not rushing about having 'fellowship' at all. She's doing what needs to be done to run her household and her business and it never mentions most of the crap on Debi's list of what a modern Proverbs 31 woman is. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Women Holding Responsible Positions Over A Man Is Sin?

by John Piper as quoted from 'Ask Pastor John' from the website Housewife Theologian - John Piper's Advice For Women In The Work ForceEditor's note: So according to Piper if the influence of a woman on men is 'non-personal' and 'non-directive' and it's for the good of everyone then it's not wrong. But the second you enter the directive realm, like his example of a female drill sergeant, you're sinning. Another example of a evangelical cultural enforcer adding dos and don'ts to the Bible. At least we know he's not having a problem with womens voices on GPS under this mental/moral game of Twister. … [Read more...]