It’s Not That Complicated: Part 2 Chapter 8

by Mel cross posted from her blog When Cows and Kids CollideQuotes from the book in blue textToday, dear readers, you get a special treat!First - no covert incest!Second, to help you better visualize what the actual book is like, I've included a quote that is a fairly standard page of uninterrupted Botkin language.  Technically, I should have included the entirety of the first paragraph, but decided to spare you some pointless emotional babbling along with minor slams against the girls who ask Anna Sofia and Elizabeth for advice so we could start at the main point of this section. … [Read more...]

More on the Creepy Apple Analogy

by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Under Much GraceImages by Cindy Kunsman for Under Much Grace unless so noted. Used with permissionOver the weekend, I received an email from Vyckie Garrison of No Longer Quivering. She asked Suzanne “Calulu” Titkemeyer and me to each take a look at a meme published on a patriarchal website as she prepared to write a short article about it. Raw Story published it yesterday while many other sites took note of it as well. Some of the funnier elements, the ironic apple parallels to the Quiverfull belief system, and what almost qualifies as arranged marriage didn't make the final cut, so I thought I'd include them here. … [Read more...]

News: Gloriavale – New Zealand Patriarchal Quiverfull Cult

by Suzanne TitkemeyerOne of the British newspapers, the Daily Mail, recently ran an article about a religious group in New Zealand that lives entirely by the New Testament in isolation from society. They call themselves "Gloriavale"Their version of Christianity seems to have more in common with some of the Fundamentalist Ladder Day Saints than most Fundamentalist Christian groups. One of the big distinctions that runs through Gloriavale and FLDS is that a group of 12 men, all church elders, decide who will marry who. No choice is given to the potential brides and grooms. Many times the matched are based mostly on how distantly related they are to avoid birth defects from inbreeding. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Fear and Readiness?

by Vaughn Ohlman from True Love Doesn't Wait - Fear and Readiness It is a funny difference between conservatives and liberals that conservatives seem to always question liberals ideas, and liberals question conservatives motives. Indeed, when a liberal makes a movie about an evil conservative the conservative is almost never doing what the conservative says he wants to do (ie he is a hypocrite[1]) whereas a conservative movie will often show liberals living up to their stated ideals (which just happen to be wrong, immoral, and lead to a deranged and deprived society). … [Read more...]

Good Intentions Do NOT Success Make

by Joe Sands cross posted from his blog Incongruous CircumspectionVaughn Ohlman, the patriarch of the Ohlman family - literally, loves to tell the world how we have it all wrong.  How marriage in the hands of "young people" is the reason why marriage doesn't work.  That, if only we followed the ancient Jewish story of ole' Abe and his son, Isaac, all marriages would either be brilliantly perfect, or mostly work. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Giving Our Daughters to the Imperfect?

by Vaughn Ohlman of True Love Doesn't Wait - Giving our daughters to imperfect young men As harsh and unfeeling as it sounds to our ears, a daughter is not seen in Scripture as a rose to be hidden under glass, but a gift to be given. Her fruitfulness is frequently mentioned, her delicate sensibilities less so. She is seen as at her best when rising to a difficult task, not when tenderly sheltered. And the entire focus of Scripture is not on her father, but on her husband. How then can it be the role of that father to refuse to give her to that husband? … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Practicing For Divorce?

by Vaughn Ohlman of Persevero News - Practice For DivorceOur modern society… including the church, has implemented forms of getting married that are, literally, practice for divorce. Oh, they don’t go by that name, but they follow that pattern, they implement those principles. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Parents Choosing Spouses For Adult Children?

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the … [Read more...]

A Love That Multiplies ~ The Duggar's New Book

by HopewellRegular readers of this blog know that I watch TLC's "19 Kids and Counting--" a reality show featuring the family of Jim-B0b and Michelle Duggar. I make some people very happy with my blog posts on this family and get flames from others. Such is life!! So, when I spotted a used copy of their new book so I could "buy used and save the difference," just like the Duggar's recommend, I knew I'd have to review it here!Like everything Duggar there is much to admire here: some good tips about listening to your children, listening to your spouse, spending time as a family, spending time in God's word, gathering together with other believers, living debt free, controlling your anger, … [Read more...]

49 Character Qualities of the Duggars: A Report Card

[Note: The point of this post is not about passing judgment on the Duggar family. The question is, does the lifestyle they endorse actually do what they say it will? Is it the perfect formula for a godly family? Or is what we’re seeing just a set of normal people striving within a very difficult way of living?This post examines the Duggars’ own lives within the paradigm they themselves endorse. Given that we only see what our televisions allow us to-- does what we can see, reflect the image held up to us? And if it does not, how can we be sure about what we can‘t see?No one expects the Duggars to be perfect. But that is not the question. The real question is: are they really showing us t … [Read more...]