Biblical sexism tops "Ten worst verses in the Bible"

I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (1 Timothy 2:12) by VyckieRecently, I came across a "Ship of Fools" video which invited people to submit their nominations for the "Ten worst verses of the Bible"At first, I assumed that Ship of Fools must be an atheist website holding this "Worst Verse" contest as a way to raise awareness of some of the horrific messages contained in the pages of the Christian scriptures.  My assumption was based mainly on the website's name since Psalm 14:1 tells us that "The fool" says in his heart, "There is no God."  Plus ~ who else would sponsor this sort of bible-bashing contest? … [Read more...]

No choices of my own

by ErikaMy sister and I in the winter of 1991-1992, the year we started homeschooling It wasn't long before my parents got really frustrated with the church in town and wanted something different. My father told the pastor that we would be going down to the church in Bellows Falls (run by John Thompson) but would still come to services here and there at the church in town. The pastor felt frustrated at the time, too, so he gave my parents his blessing to attend this other church.I remember when the people at church found out that we wouldn't be attending regularly there anymore. Many were upset and felt offended. Quite a few voiced accusations that my parents only stayed long enough for … [Read more...]

Patriarchy Across Cultures: Magic Man

by TapatiChicago, Illinois Cold late night so long ago When I was not so strong you know A pretty man came to me Never seen eyes so blue I could not run away It seemed we’d seen each other in a dream It seemed like he knew me He looked right through me--HeartPreviously I described how I left the Chicago Hare Krishna temple. I was headed for my friend Suprabha’s apartment. I had her phone number and address written down, and knew which El stop to look for. When I got off the El I called Suprabha and she gave me directions to her dad’s home. She’d told me that he traveled a lot and wouldn’t be around.Suprabha greeted me warmly and we talked and cooked together and generally enjoyed hang … [Read more...]

It's About MONEY

With Promises of Protection, Security and Ultimate Victory, Peddlers of "Family Values" Manufactured a Culture War, and Capitalized on Our Fears Please note: This post has been modified to clarify the point I want to make which is this:I have no problem with making a buck ~ earning an honest living. In fact, that's exactly what I've got in mind in running the NLQ website, writing a book, etc. ~ I do not apologize for these efforts to support myself and my children.What makes me sick is that the "need" which the Quiverfull philosophy and lifestyle are being marketed to fill is manufactured and exaggerated in order to sell the product.A friend recently put it this way: It's like buying … [Read more...]

A Most Twisted Love

by VyckieMom & Dad are in love ... but is a patriarchal relationship of entitlement-meets-martyrdom a healthy and mutually beneficial expression of love?Following a recent interview with the religion editor of our local newspaper, I've been thinking more about what I've learned from St. Bernard of Clairvaux concerning the four "degrees" of love which the ancient monk postulated in considering man's relationship to God (note that this applies to all other relationships as well) ~ although I've already written briefly on this topic here, I'd like to now give a more thorough explanation:Level 1) I love me for my benefit ~ here's an infantile, self-involved person with a severe … [Read more...]

Patriarchy Across Cultures: All Things Must Pass

by TapatiKeokuk is in the southeast corner of Iowa“All things must pass, none of life’s strings can last.” --George HarrisonPreviously I described how my mom and Aunt Gin came to take me back home to Keokuk, Iowa. I rode in the backseat, resigned, tearful, but filled with resentment. I had been assured by our temple president, Makanlal, that he would challenge my mother in court for custody. She didn’t know it yet but I hadn’t given up on going back to the temple for good.Back home I tried to pick up from where I left off in terms of doing my own worship, chanting my rounds, and staying focused on service to Krishna. I started writing my friends from the registered membership progra … [Read more...]

Lo, children ARE a blessing …

by Vyckie  It is true ~ I am abundantly blessed ...  No Longer Quivering has been up and running for less than 4 months ~ and in that short time, I think the blog and forums have already developed quite a community to provide a fair amount of stories and info. which illustrate some of the very real problems with the quiverfull worldview and lifestyle. Just this morning, however ~ as I was looking at the posts here and trying to get a feel of the overall tone of NLQ ~ I noticed that a very important message has definitely been under-represented. As much as I hope to expose the potential pitfalls of the QF/P lifestyle, it is not at all my intention to deny or minimize the central message o … [Read more...]

NLQ FAQ: How can I help my "Quiverfull" friend?

by Vyckie  Q: How can I help my “Quiverfull” friend?I have a good friend who is really into the quiverfull/patriarchy lifestyle. She is always careful to appear cheerful and happy with her family life, but I have often suspected that things are not quite as rosy as she wants everyone to believe. After reading the stories here on NLQ, I am more concerned than ever, especially for her children who are very well-behaved and respectful but who seem to be sending out “distress signals” like Angel did in Vyckie’s story. My friend is slowly cutting out everyone who loves her and has offered to help. What can I do?   There are two important factors to consider in this situation:   1) How commit … [Read more...]

NLQ FAQ: Custody Issues for ex-Quiverfull Parents

By "Dogemperor"NLQ Frequently Asked QuestionsQ. What resources are available for former Quiverfull parents seeking to retain/gain legal custody of their children?A. The following guest column by NLQ reader, "Dogemperor" addresses this issue in detail:Firstly, I'd like to thank Vyckie very much for asking me to do this guest column--and a minor caveat or two here: I am not a lawyer, merely someone who grew up in a "New Apostolic Reformation" coercive religious group that now tends to be a heavy promoter of the Quiverfull stuff. Anyways, Vyckie had notified me that a lot of parents who have left the Quiverfull movement (and coercive "Bible-based" groups who have promoted it) and are … [Read more...]

Vyckie's Tour de Crap: Bless, Do Good, Pray … 3 Remedies for Sibling Rivalry

This photo of my five girls was taken last Christmas ~ and yes, they still do argue with each other ‹(ô¿ô)›Here's another of my "Q.D." (Quivering Days) articles which I wrote for our paper ~ this was subsequently published in several popular home school magazines. As you read, keep in mind that at the time I wrote this, I was near the breaking point from all the stress in our home ~ things were really falling apart for us, with Angel cutting herself and Warren growing more paranoid and difficult by the day. I was trying to hold it all together. I could see that the lifestyle we'd adopted was really not working out for us ~ but at the time I wrote this article, I couldn't quite admit what o … [Read more...]


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