by Jonathan Lindvall at Bold Christian Living In the story of Christ s birth we have an interesting illustration of the practice of betrothal. Joseph was deliberating what he should do with Mary, his betrothed wife, having learned
Quoting Quiverfull: What is Betrothal?
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Quoting Quiverfull: Older Single Women?
Jonathan Lindvall of Bold Christian Living Still, Biblically, the parents’ role (and particularly that of a woman’s father) is very significant. I suppose it is theoretically conceivable the Lord would lead a woman to enter a betrothal covenant and marry without her father’s
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Quoting Quiverfull: Is Insurance Sin?
by Jonathan Lindvall at Bold Christian Living What particularly struck me the other day was the principle of surety. Is insurance surety? Proverbs 11:15 says, “He who is surety for a stranger will suffer, But one who hates being
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Raised Quiverfull: Introductory Questions
by Libby Anne Welcome to Raised Quiverfull! Nine young adults who grew up in the Christian Patriarchy and Quiverfull movements have come together to answer a series of questions about their experiences. All of these young adults have since questioned and left these ideologies and have chosen their own life paths. The goal of the [...]
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Emotional Incest Part 4: The Pain
by Libby Anne
In Part 1 I discussed the definition of emotional incest, in Part 2 I discussed its relationship with Christian Patriarchy, and in Part 3 I pointed out just how easy it is to slip into the harmful emotionally incestuous dynamics (the “daddy’s girl” effect). I am now going to turn to the problems and pain emotional incest causes.
But first, I want to note that emotional incest can happen in any family (not just one involved in Christian Patriarchy) and that it can happen with sons as well as with daughters. In focusing as I have on daughters, and also on Christian Patriarchy, I have of necessity left a lot out.
Emotional incest causes a multitude of problems, but I’m only going to address the three I see as most significant: first, it creates a relationship triangle between the parents and the child; second, it makes the child responsible for the parent’s well-being; and third, getting out of this situation can have the same effects as a really, really nasty breakup.
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