Quoting Quiverfull: Corrections Are Not Criticism?

by Lori Alexander from The Transformed Wife - My Six Year Blogging AnniversaryEditor's note: This is from the very first blog post Alexander wrote. Then she goes on to complain about meanies who leave negative comments on her blog. So which is it? Where is the line between someone correcting you and someone being critical for the sake of being negative? Aren't these sometimes the exact same thing? Don't they hold some possible validity even if you don't want to hear it? … [Read more...]

Created To Need A Help Meet: Part 1 Obey Indeed (Don’t Command Your Wife To Obey)

by Aletha cross posted from her blog Yllom Mormonpp 173-174We're in a new chapter, and I'm finding it really weird. The point of this chapter is that husbands aren't supposed to tell their wives to submit to them. Which, they shouldn't, but there seems to be the understanding that wives WILL submit. I'll let Michael explain.Text is in purple. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Part 1 – Public School is Evil, But You Are More Evil For Not Obeying?

by Debi Pearl from No Greater Joy - Rising to the ChallengeEditor's note: This letter and response is a good example of one truism in Quiverfull. No matter what a woman does she cannot win ever, everything she does is wrong, wrong, wrong, even if she's obeying some previous instruction from the same cultural enforcer. No wonder antidepressant use is so much higher in religious communities! This is enough to drive anyone to despair!First we start with a 'Pearl letter' … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Friends Not Doing It ‘Right’ – Start Lecturing Them & Send Us Their Contact Information?

by Debi Pearl from No Greater Joy - Other Children Changing Your Child's DestinyEditor's note: This is one of those Pearl letters that are sprinkled throughout their advice-giving that seems, hmm, somehow 'fake' or made up just for whatever toxic child-beating point the Pearls are currently promoting. In this letter the mother is complaining that her friends with children at church don't discipline or train their children like she and her husband do. She's worried that the kids will rub off and influence her children, but doesn't want to cut off contact like her husband urges. Here's Debi's reply, toxic as always: … [Read more...]

NLQ Question of the Week: Why Do Patriarchs Want To Control Women?

This is a new series we have started running on Thursdays. Examining some of the questions involving long held Quiverfull theology and life.In light of this morning's quoting from Tim Fall's blog and the many times we've seen prominent men like Doug Wilson and John Piper and low level patriarchal wanna bes like Von Ohlman and Biblical Gender Roles try to reduce women into a subset of silent sex robots birthing babies we have to ask a few questions. Like what is the payoff for men in the movement to always control women? Is it about feelings of inferiority or low self esteem? Do they do it because they have controlling natures? Why? Why do patriarchs always want to control women? … [Read more...]

Fascinating Womanhood Review: Always Obey

by Samantha cross posted from her blog Defeating the Dragons Helen closes out her chapter on “The Leader” by reiterating many of her earlier points in stronger language, but she also takes the opportunity to preemptively combat what she thinks may be some common objections, or situations readers could describe that would make her teachings difficult– or impossible. To do this, she begins with a longer discussion of what she means when she tells women to obey their husbands: … [Read more...]