by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Spiritual Sounding BoardObstacles that Second Generation Adults like Lourdes Torres-Manteufel must overcome when exiting threatening, high demand situations and groups like Doug Phillips’ Vision Forum “When we leave, we actually don’t have what we need to survive outside.” ~ Jill Mytton … [Read more...]
by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Spiritual Sounding Board Using Katie Botkin’s lifeboat analogy, Cindy Kunsman explores the “Second Generation Adult” and Lourdes Torres-Mantefeuel’s alleged sex abuse by Vision Forum’s Doug Phillips By Cindy Kunsman, UnderMuchGrace.com On the same day that Lourdes Torres-Manteufel’s petition was filed, the first cousin of Vision Forum’s Stay at Home Daughter evangelists/role models published a blog essay that I found deeply moving. Katie Botkin, the daughter of Geoffrey Botkin‘s brother Greg, noted that attorney David C. Gibbs III filed the documents on the anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic. Doug Phillips used the event as a talking point and cele … [Read more...]
by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Spiritual Sounding BoardRead Part 1 first...***Cindy Kunsman explains how Doug Phillips relegated Vision Forum acolytes to bounded choice – a dynamic only intensified for Lourdes Torres-Manteufel by alleged sex abuse.***Note from Julie Anne: This is Part 2 of Cindy Kunsman’s series on Bounded Choice. In this series she is helping us to understand the process people go through when they have lived in a high-controlling religious system as was Lourdes Torres-Manteufel’s experience. Lourdes’ and Cindy’s story can help shed light in our own experience or the experience of someone we know and love. Having this understanding is pivotal in t … [Read more...]
by Suzanne Titkemeyer Most of you have been following SJ Reidhead's series Christian Reconstruction, ATI, Abuse and Submission: Modesty and Lust, here and at her blog The Pink Flamingo , that sprang out of NLQ's posting in Quoting Quiverfull of the take of modesty of one Stephanus Blignaut. It's been an interesting read because it's pretty clear that SJ is better educated and knowledgeable on the history of fashion and modesty than Mr. Blignaut. Stephanus Blignaut has no historical basis for his thoughts, only---you guessed it---The Bible!! … [Read more...]
Quoting Quiverfull: Bill Gothard and Doug Phillips are like ‘Surrogate Daddies’ not Sexual Predators?
by Nathaniel Darnell from Persevero News - Of Men and Megalomanics(It must be noted that Nathaniel Darnell also worked at Vision Forum for some years with Doug Phillips. Covering for sexual predators is an ongoing problem in ministries and churches.)Is it possible that some of the accusations being made against Mr. Gothard (and other surrogate daddies) are due to his assuming a “daddy” role in the life of many of the young ladies that came to his ministry and talking to them about various intimate things, or treating them in various intimate ways that might would have been appropriate for a father (but not necessarily appropriate for a non-relative)? … [Read more...]