Lourdes, Lifeboats, and Bounded Choice: The Complicated Process of Exiting Totalist Groups Part 4

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by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Spiritual Sounding BoardObstacles that Second Generation Adults like Lourdes Torres-Manteufel must overcome when exiting threatening, high demand situations and groups like Doug Phillips’ Vision Forum “When we leave, we actually don’t have what we need to survive outside.” ~ Jill Mytton … [Read more...]

Lourdes, Lifeboats, and Bounded Choice: The Complicated Process of Exiting Totalist Groups Part 3

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by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Spiritual Sounding Board Using Katie Botkin’s lifeboat analogy, Cindy Kunsman explores the “Second Generation Adult” and Lourdes Torres-Mantefeuel’s alleged sex abuse by Vision Forum’s Doug Phillips By Cindy Kunsman, UnderMuchGrace.com On the same day that Lourdes Torres-Manteufel’s petition was filed, the first cousin of Vision Forum’s Stay at Home Daughter evangelists/role models published a blog essay that I found deeply moving. Katie Botkin, the daughter of Geoffrey Botkin‘s brother Greg, noted that attorney David C. Gibbs III filed the documents on the anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic. Doug Phillips used the event as a talking point and cele … [Read more...]

Lourdes, Lifeboats and Bounded Choice: The Complicated Progress of Exiting Totalist Groups: Part 2

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by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Spiritual Sounding BoardRead Part 1 first...***Cindy Kunsman explains how Doug Phillips relegated Vision Forum acolytes to bounded choice – a dynamic only intensified for Lourdes Torres-Manteufel by alleged sex abuse.***Note from Julie Anne:  This is Part 2 of Cindy Kunsman’s series on Bounded Choice.  In this series she is helping us to understand the process people go through when they have lived in a high-controlling religious system as was Lourdes Torres-Manteufel’s experience.  Lourdes’ and Cindy’s story can help shed light in our own experience or the experience of someone we know and love.  Having this understanding is pivotal in t … [Read more...]

This is What Happens When a “Good Christian” Replies….

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by Suzanne Titkemeyer Most of you have been following SJ Reidhead's series Christian Reconstruction, ATI, Abuse and Submission: Modesty and Lust, here and at her blog The Pink Flamingo , that sprang out of NLQ's posting in Quoting Quiverfull of the take of modesty of one Stephanus Blignaut. It's been an interesting read because it's pretty clear that SJ is better educated and knowledgeable on the history of fashion and modesty than Mr. Blignaut. Stephanus Blignaut has no historical basis for his thoughts, only---you guessed it---The Bible!! … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Bill Gothard and Doug Phillips are like ‘Surrogate Daddies’ not Sexual Predators?

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by Nathaniel Darnell from Persevero News - Of Men and Megalomanics(It must be noted that Nathaniel Darnell also worked at Vision Forum for some years with Doug Phillips. Covering for sexual predators is an ongoing problem in ministries and churches.)Is it possible that some of the accusations being made against Mr. Gothard (and other surrogate daddies) are due to his assuming a “daddy” role in the life of many of the young ladies that came to his ministry and talking to them about various intimate things, or treating them in various intimate ways that might would have been appropriate for a father (but not necessarily appropriate for a non-relative)? … [Read more...]

Teaching Our Kids Religion

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by Lana Hope cross posted from her blog Wide Open GroundIn a post the other day, I mentioned that homeschoolers tend to be sheltered from secular ideas – to the extent that homeschool students are often not allowed to disagree with their parents or formulate their own opinions. The post lacked clarity in several areas. I am a graduate student and have been writing extensive term papers this month. So I rushed the post. Quite frankly, if I turned in a paper as undeveloped and unclear as that post, I’d get a bad grade. … [Read more...]

6 Examples of HSLDA Trying to Keep Vision Forum Outside the Mainstream

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by R.L. Stollar of Homeschoolers AnonymousOn April 15, 2014, WorldNetDaily did an in-depth report on Lourdes Torres-Manteufel’s sexual assault lawsuit against Christian Patriarchy advocate Doug Phillips. In the report, WorldNetDaily interviewed Michael Farris from the Home School Legal Defense Association. Farris appeared to put Phillips and patriarchy “on blast”: … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Hive Minded Distancing From “Patriarchal”?

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Another prominent Biblical Patriarchal leader denouncing the word.by  James McDonald of  Family Reformation Magazine and the Providence Church - The "P" Word And, so it is with the “P” word; the word we know as patriarchy. In our day, patriarchy is quickly becoming a pejorative. It has come to mean, “selfish, overbearing tyrant who seeks to dominate and suppress women and children.” And, let’s be clear, there are those who embrace that term and fit the bill. They have behaved as if the world revolves around them and that women and children exist only to serve them. … [Read more...]

Is the Christian Homeschool World Really Changing?

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by Libby Anne cross posted from her blog Love, Joy, FeminismThings are changing in the Christian homeschooling world. Vision Forum has fallen and ATI is shaken. People are talking, really talking, and the narratives are shifting. … [Read more...]

Duggars and Courtship

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by Lana Hope cross posted from her blog Wide Open GroundA lot of people have pointed out how many Christian groups and churches are anti-gay. Even though these Christians love to say that they love the sinner and hate the sin, it does not remove the pain that a gay person has to face. If a gay teen comes out gay, the church will still pray for him and believe he needs to change. Sure the church claims to love the teen, but he’s still told he is sinning, and there is still that voice that something is wrong with him, and that he needs to change. … [Read more...]


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