Quoting Quiverfull: Discipline, Discipline, Discipline But Keep Your Daughters Unmarried?

by former Vision Forum friend Geoffrey Botkin hawking his newest CD/DVD/book on raising children on Ladies Against Feminism - How To Practice Biblical Discipline.Editor's note: The ladies of Ladies Against Feminism didn't even bother to try and write a review or put into their own words why they endorse this particular item by Botkin. They copied and pasted this right from his website. Odd that there's been no updates for over seven months at his single very adult daughters website Visionary Daughters, no online web tutorials about gilding your outside or what to do when there's no real role for you any longer. Most curious how silent they've been. … [Read more...]

Family Life Today: Poised to Take Over the Vacancy Left by Vision Forum Ministries

by Suzanne TitkemeyerWhen the news of the unwanted sexual encounters between Vision Forum's Doug Phillips and Lordes Torres came out followed by the closing of both Vision Forum Ministries and their for profit Vision Forum Inc it left quite a void in the world of Christian Dominionism, Patriarchy and Quiverfull movements. Everyone speculated who would take over from the powerhouse dominionist ministry of Vision Forum. But those that might have stepped in to fill the void left by the closing of Vision Forum had their own scandals to deal with: first Bill Gothard of IBLP/ATI, who is huge in the world of homeschooling and dominionism, was accused of groping teenagers working at ATI … [Read more...]

Reposting: “We All Sin:” A 15 Step Path To Forgiveness For Doug Phillips

by Heather Doney from her blog Becoming Worldly originally posted there just over a year ago 11 - 5 - 13The Doug Phillips affair scandal has rocked and shocked the Quiverfull and Christian Patriarchy world the past few days, so I figured I’d address one angle that to my knowledge hasn’t been covered in depth yet: the path that Doug Phillips will try to take to “restoration” and “forgiveness.” It usually seems to take about 15 steps. But first, some background: … [Read more...]

News: Mars Hill Churches Splitting From Mars Hill Organization

The Great Pumpkin came early today. Mark Driscoll's church head organization, Mars Hill Church Organization, one of the largest Evangelical churches in the country, is shutting their doors as of January 1, 2015. All the Mars Hill churches will be spun off into their own independent churches not under any other oversight.What's up with that? Dave Bruskas of Mars Hill leadership is saying this is for the good of those local individual churches in his letter to the members posted on the Mars Hill Church websiteVery curious considering the last time we saw a major ministry and popular pastor completely abandon ship like this was Doug Phillips and Vision Forum just before the woman he is … [Read more...]

Lourdes, Lifeboats, and Bounded Choice: The Complicated Process of Exiting Totalist Groups Part 4

by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Spiritual Sounding BoardObstacles that Second Generation Adults like Lourdes Torres-Manteufel must overcome when exiting threatening, high demand situations and groups like Doug Phillips’ Vision Forum “When we leave, we actually don’t have what we need to survive outside.” ~ Jill Mytton … [Read more...]

Lourdes, Lifeboats, and Bounded Choice: The Complicated Process of Exiting Totalist Groups Part 3

by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Spiritual Sounding Board Using Katie Botkin’s lifeboat analogy, Cindy Kunsman explores the “Second Generation Adult” and Lourdes Torres-Mantefeuel’s alleged sex abuse by Vision Forum’s Doug Phillips By Cindy Kunsman, UnderMuchGrace.com On the same day that Lourdes Torres-Manteufel’s petition was filed, the first cousin of Vision Forum’s Stay at Home Daughter evangelists/role models published a blog essay that I found deeply moving. Katie Botkin, the daughter of Geoffrey Botkin‘s brother Greg, noted that attorney David C. Gibbs III filed the documents on the anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic. Doug Phillips used the event as a talking point and cele … [Read more...]

Lourdes, Lifeboats and Bounded Choice: The Complicated Progress of Exiting Totalist Groups: Part 2

by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Spiritual Sounding BoardRead Part 1 first...***Cindy Kunsman explains how Doug Phillips relegated Vision Forum acolytes to bounded choice – a dynamic only intensified for Lourdes Torres-Manteufel by alleged sex abuse.***Note from Julie Anne:  This is Part 2 of Cindy Kunsman’s series on Bounded Choice.  In this series she is helping us to understand the process people go through when they have lived in a high-controlling religious system as was Lourdes Torres-Manteufel’s experience.  Lourdes’ and Cindy’s story can help shed light in our own experience or the experience of someone we know and love.  Having this understanding is pivotal in t … [Read more...]

This is What Happens When a “Good Christian” Replies….

by Suzanne Titkemeyer Most of you have been following SJ Reidhead's series Christian Reconstruction, ATI, Abuse and Submission: Modesty and Lust, here and at her blog The Pink Flamingo , that sprang out of NLQ's posting in Quoting Quiverfull of the take of modesty of one Stephanus Blignaut. It's been an interesting read because it's pretty clear that SJ is better educated and knowledgeable on the history of fashion and modesty than Mr. Blignaut. Stephanus Blignaut has no historical basis for his thoughts, only---you guessed it---The Bible!! … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Bill Gothard and Doug Phillips are like ‘Surrogate Daddies’ not Sexual Predators?

by Nathaniel Darnell from Persevero News - Of Men and Megalomanics(It must be noted that Nathaniel Darnell also worked at Vision Forum for some years with Doug Phillips. Covering for sexual predators is an ongoing problem in ministries and churches.)Is it possible that some of the accusations being made against Mr. Gothard (and other surrogate daddies) are due to his assuming a “daddy” role in the life of many of the young ladies that came to his ministry and talking to them about various intimate things, or treating them in various intimate ways that might would have been appropriate for a father (but not necessarily appropriate for a non-relative)? … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Hive Minded Distancing From “Patriarchal”?

Another prominent Biblical Patriarchal leader denouncing the word.by  James McDonald of  Family Reformation Magazine and the Providence Church - The "P" Word And, so it is with the “P” word; the word we know as patriarchy. In our day, patriarchy is quickly becoming a pejorative. It has come to mean, “selfish, overbearing tyrant who seeks to dominate and suppress women and children.” And, let’s be clear, there are those who embrace that term and fit the bill. They have behaved as if the world revolves around them and that women and children exist only to serve them. … [Read more...]