Good Tidings & Great Joy: Raise the Horns Reviews Sarah Palin’s New Book

On Monday I received an email from Nancy French asking me if I would be interested in reviewing Sarah Palin’s new book Good Tidings and Great Joy: Protecting the Heart of Christmas. For those of you who don’t know Nancy French, simply receiving an email from her was a bit flattering. Mrs. French is the editor of the Faith and Family Channel here on Patheos and a best-selling author. She’s also the co-author of Good Tidings. I assume that Sarah Palin needs no introduction after running for Vice-President of the United States and serving as Governor of Alaska for a time.

When this strange opportunity first presented itself, I took to Facebook to share the news with my friends. There was a real sense of excitement from people. “Jason’s going to review Sarah Palin’s book and carve her up!” I didn’t begin reading the book with that objective in mind, but there is some truth to it. I certainly didn’t think Mrs. Palin and I would find ourselves in agreement on much, and I was right; I even got angry a few times while reading Good Tidings (I guess all the tidings aren’t “good” depending on one’s perspective).

While Palin and I are never going to agree on very much, I do have this sort of weird respect for her. If one bothers to research her approach to governance before her Vice-Presidential run, they’ll find a very different Sarah Palin from the one we’ve seen the last eight years. In addition, there’s a down-home folksiness to Palin that I sort of like in small doses (it’s almost always ruined by her tendency to say ridiculous things, but I like it for a moment or two). After Palin’s failed bid for Vice-President, I had a secret hope that she might turn into the “Conservative Oprah,” tone down her politics, and become the talk show host for women who love chili made out of moose meat. Sadly, Palin went the Tea Party route, where she became Saint Sarah to those on the fringe-right and “the fringe” to the rest of America.

Some of the Palin I like is in Good Tidings. There are charming stories of Christmases past full of family and genuine warmth. Some of the traditions in her household had me wishing that my family had thought of them. I bet Mrs. Palin’s living room looks (and even feels) a lot like mine does this time of year: Christmas Trees, twinkling lights, maybe the scent of bayberry from a Yankee Candle, mugs of hot chocolate near the fireplace — those are the kind of things I can respect and understand. Sadly the other two-thirds of Good Tidings and Great Joy reads like an uninformed political and historical rant.

I don’t have a problem with people celebrating the birth of Jesus. I legitimately believe that Christianity often makes some people better, and the imagery of the Nativity is lovely (though some of it was undoubtedly stolen from pagan myth). What I don’t like to read is that Jesus is the sole reason for the season and that “Heart of Christmas” is the birth narrative of Jesus. From a historical stand-point, I just don’t think it adds up. Christmas has always been a combination of several traditions. It evolved from Midwinter Solstice Rituals (which to her credit, the former Governor does admit at one point), Germanic and Norse pagan traditions, secular impulses, and of course good old capitalism.

After a quick one and a half page history of Christmas Governor Palin writes:

” . . So fast forward a few years and jump over to a different continent. ‘Christmas’ became an American federal holiday in 1870 when President Ulysses S. Grant signed a bill the House and Senate had already overwhelmingly passed. In this country, our federal holiday does not honor the agricultural gods of Rome or the pagan rituals of the winter solstice. Here in America, Christmas marks Christ’s birth, a moment of unquestioned historical, cultural, and religious significance. (This is revealed in the actual name of the holiday: Christmas.)”

There are several problems here, and the biggest is a complete lack of context detailing why Christmas became a national holiday in 1870. As a holiday, Christmas slowly grew in importance throughout the 19th Century, and its growth had nothing to do with Jesus. Christmas exploded in popularity due to secular influences. One of those influences was literary. The popularity of both Charles Dickens’ A Christmas Carol and Clement Moore’s A Visit From St. Nicholas played a large role in spreading the holiday, but neither work makes a mention of Jesus’s birthday. The impulse to “sell stuff” also played a huge role in creating our Modern Christmas. If Christmas had always been this hugely important thing about Jesus, wouldn’t it have been a holiday long before 1870? Don’t tell me that my boozy great-great-great-great-uncle was the first Christian with the willpower to proclaim Christmas a national holiday.

Instead of making her version of Christmas a celebration that all families can enjoy, she chooses to marginalize gay marriage:

“They even try to change the definition of marriage, to elevate adult desires over the societal cornerstone that’s built the family since the beginning of time.”

I’m not sure when Palin’s concept of time began, but was it back when her beloved Biblical patriarchs were marrying multiple women? How about when twelve-year-old girls were getting married? There were also gay marriages in antiquity, but admitting to that wouldn’t quite fit the narrative. Marriage has always been a continually evolving institution; proclamations that it’s changeless are dishonest and not backed by history.

Palin doesn’t just marginalize gay and lesbian couples in her book, she basically marginalizes anyone who disagrees with her. There’s no middle ground in Good Tidings, liberals are bad and conservatives good. Consider this passage:

” . . .This is frequently where liberals and conservatives part ways . . . . Liberals tend to believe people are good, and institutions like the church or the traditional family are actually oppressive . . . By contrast, conservatives tend to believe that people aren’t that great to start with. And without faith and family to guide us and reinforce values that often go against our selfish desires, we’ll drift towards our own destruction.”

I have never met a liberal who argued that families are “oppressive.” Some of the people I know most dedicated to family are politically liberal. There’s also the innuendo that liberals can’t be Christian. All liberals believe that “the church” is oppressive? Tell that to the folks who write in the Progressive Christian channel here at Patheos, or my friend Christopher Henrichsen who writes Approaching Justice over on Patheos Mormon. Maybe Palin doesn’t have any liberal friends and is relying on stereotypes from Fox News? If that’s the case, I’d be happy to buy her lunch next time she’s in the Bay Area in an effort to prove that we liberals (and Pagans) are people too!

Having lunch with Mrs. Palin would require her to visit California, a place she seems to hold a special contempt for. She seems to view it as a land of only godless liberals who take a special sort of delight in the misery of others:

“A few years back I read a startling story about a suicidal person about to jump from San Francisco’s Golden Gate Bridge, causing a traffic jam as the first responders tried to talk him down. While this was going on, some angry commuters started shouting ‘Jump! Jump!’ This happened in arguably the most liberal city in America-the birthplace of the ‘Summer of Love,’ for crying out loud. Some of those ‘loving citizens’-who may think of Christians as hate filled bigots-cared more about the convenience of their commute than a desperate man’s life.”

The implication here of course is that “godless liberals” were the ones yelling “Jump! jump!” even though there’s nothing to indicate that was the case. San Francisco is a diverse area, and there are a lot of Christians here. It might be hard to believe but we have Christian Churches in the Bay Area along with a large Catholic presence too. There are horrible Christians, Pagans, atheists, Jews, Muslims, and Hindus. Every faith group is capable of doing dumb things, no one group any more or any less.

Palin’s tendency to paint with broad strokes allows no room for understanding. She just can’t comprehend why a plastic nativity scene on public property might upset somebody. There’s no walking in someone else’s shoes in Palin’s world, she demands that we only walk in hers. What does it say to a Jewish person when the County Courthouse has a nativity scene on its front steps? As a Pagan, do I want my government declaring which religious choices are valid and which are not?

Palin seems to lack a firm grasp on the First Amendment of the Constitution. It begins with the words: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Putting one person’s god on public property while ignoring someone else’s feels like an establishment of religion. No one is going to stop churches or individuals from putting up nativity scenes on their own property. How insecure must one be in their faith to want government (which many conservatives hate) to endorse that faith? Palin always paints herself as an opponent of government, yet she wants Jesus to sit in the middle of it. It boggles the mind.

The “if you aren’t with us you are against us” attitude of Good Tidings takes away from the few instances when I might have been sympathetic to some of Palin’s arguments. Palin brings up the battle in Santa Monica CA over religious displays in a public park, sneering not only at the over-zealous (and sometimes offensive) atheists in that battle, but against anyone wishing for inclusivity during the Holidays. I’m not a big fan of atheists making fun of religion either, but if my religion is going to belittled or disrespected during the argument, it’s gonna be hard for us to be allies.

In another section of the book Palin makes the assertion that “there’s a relationship between Christianity and a healthy civilization” that almost resulted in me spitting coffee all over myself. Was civilization “healthy” when the majority of Europeans worked as serfs? How about Christian Europe before the Renaissance when science and reason were dirty words? (Come to think of it, we seem to be headed back to that era.) How about when people were being burnt at the stake for witchcraft in the name of Christ? Slavery was healthy? All of that happened in an era when nearly everyone in Europe was a Christian. I’m not going to blame all of those problems on Christianity, but if those are healthy societies I’d like to see the sick ones!

Palin’s scorn for atheists almost feels like blood-boiling rage on occasion, and the idea that a person might do good just for the sake of doing good seems alien to her. At one point she states that “”The logical result of atheism is severe moral decay,” an assertion not supported by anything I’ve ever read or come across. I’m confused as to what she thinks these atheists are going to do to society.

Confusion and bewilderment plagued me throughout Good Tidings, especially during the bits about “The War on Christmas.” There is no war on Christmas, and the only wars on Christmas have generally involved Christians going after Christians. Christmas is bigger than ever, it’s practically inescapable, and if someone says “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas” they aren’t secretly honoring Satan under their breath. Christmas is one of the “Holidays” being referred to, I don’t think anyone believes it’s being left out. Perhaps the Palin family doesn’t celebrate the New Year?

When arguing her case that there’s a war on Christmas and Christianity, Palin conveniently leaves out information that is at odds with her narrative. When writing about the “cross” found in the wreckage of the World Trade Center, Palin mentions a court case filed to keep the cross away from Ground Zero and the National September 11th Memorial and Museum. What she doesn’t mention is that the cross is now housed in that museum and the group seeking its exclusion, the American Atheists, don’t really speak for all atheists.

In a later passage Palin writes about a Community College group being forced to change the name of its trees for sale from “Christmas Trees” to “Holiday Trees.” It doesn’t matter to Palin that the change lasted for about 48 hours before the school admitted to a mistake. Of course Palin has to point out the exclusion of Christmas from our public schools, but a quick Google search shows that High School Winter Concerts still sing odes to Jesus at their performances. (Really, it’s called Google, there are public schools singing Handel’s Messiah, it’s OK, really.) It’s all just red-meat to get a certain segment of America angry and riled up.

I’ve always liked to believe that The Holidays are a time to celebrate our commonalities instead of our differences. This is where Mrs. Palin and I disagree most on the subject of Christmas. For her it can only be a celebration about the birth of Jesus, and anything else diminishes the holiday. What Palin fails to understand is that the “reason for the season” varies from person to person. If Christmas is just about Jesus for you, that’s fine, and I think that’s beautiful. But I don’t understand why anyone needs what’s in their hearts to be affirmed by Target or Wal-Mart. Aren’t those the last places a Christian wants to see Jesus? Did I miss something in the Beatitudes about Jesus endorsing cheap plastic junk from China? It seems as if Palin wants society to fill some sort of role as religious teacher. If she truly cared about the family and the home, wouldn’t she want those institutions to teach those values?

At one point Palin and I almost agree on things, and she even seems to recognize Paganism as a real thing (though in her own unique way):

” …If so inclined, people have the right to sit in a circle in the forest and hum songs of gratitude to Mother Earth while taking turns hugging bark on December 25. But it doesn’t change the underlying reason for the federal holiday.”

I’m glad she’s cool with me sitting under a redwood humming prayers to the Goddess, but why can’t that be a reason for the federal holiday? Certainly our government has never expected me to praise Jesus on that day or visit my local church. Why does the holiday only get to exist on her terms? I once wrote that “Christmas is not yours or mine, it just is.” I’m willing to accept your version of Christmas, but you have to be equally willing to accept mine.

One of the biggest problems in American politics today is that the two competing sides no longer listen to each other. There’s no middle ground, only an individual interpretation of right and wrong. Instead of yelling in the public square that someone doesn’t love baby plastic Jesus, find out why such a display might bother them. Walk in their shoes, and then walk into your house and put Jesus where he really belongs: in your home and in your heart. My gods don’t live in the public square, and yet I feel them everywhere. This Christmas, I hope your gods share that feeling with you.

Happy Holidays, Blessed Solstice, and Merry Christmas.

The pictures:
Victorian Christmas Card-Notice the lack of Jesus.
Sarah Palin’s new book.
Godless Victorians! Don’t they know how to celebrate Christmas?
Plastic Holy Family, nothing says Jesus like petroleum products.
My autographed copy of Palin’s book. (Yes I now have her autograph.)
Vatican Christmas Tree stolen from Wikipedia, it’s pretty.
Me raising the horns at the Nativity. (It’s just one of my favorite pictures ever.)

About Jason Mankey

Jason Mankey has been involved with Paganism for the last twenty years, and has spent the last ten of those years as a speaker, writer, and High Priest. Jason can often be found lecturing on the Pagan Festival circuit, so you might just bump into him. When not reading and researching Pagan history he likes to crank up the Led Zeppelin, do rituals in honor of Jim Morrison (of The Doors), and sing numerous praises to Pan, Dionysus, and Aphrodite. He lives in Sunnyvale CA with his wife Ari and two hyper-kinetic cats.

  • Alyska Gutzwiller

    Well said Jason! I can’t help but wonder if Jesus is just /facepalming all day long…

    • http://youtube.com/user/BowmanFarm Brian Bowman

      wonder if Jesus is just /facepalming all day long

      In Oklahoma, he is.

  • Lēoht Sceadusawol

    I agree with most of this. There’s just one thing and that is the concept of secular Christmas.

    As a local church has postered: “There is no Christmas without Christ”.

    Sure, there are many reasons for the season, and each person can choose their own, but let Christianity have Christmas. There are plenty of other terms that can be used.

    • http://www.NancyFrench.com/ Nancy French

      Thanks, Leoht!

      • ScoutandAbout

        Greetings Ms. French.

        I don’t know much about you, but I sincerely hope that you are more open-minded and less divisive than the individuals you choose to collaborate with.

        Best Regards. -Scout

    • http://www.patheos.com/Pagan Christine Kraemer

      I suppose enough traditional carols still call the holiday “Yule”… there might be a chance of moving that label into widespread secular use if there weren’t so much marketing force behind “Christmas.” I fear the entity that Christmas truly belongs to right now is capitalism.

      • Lēoht Sceadusawol

        I am a fan of reclaiming Yule for Heathen (and Pagan) usage.

        As such, I would rather not see that label get put onto the consumerist mess that is secular ‘Christmas’.

        I don’t get the idea of having a festival for no reason. As such, I don’t get why there should be a secular festival at this time, anyway.

      • KatieAnnieOakley

        Which is why Palin wrote a book about Christmas: to make money.

        • Ardiva40

          Yes, she complained about commercialism at Christmas, yet is selling her book around the same time. ;-)

    • David Crampton

      I was raised in a secular household, and Christmas has an incredible amount of meaning for me. Should I abandon my association of Christmas with spending time with family, of amazing food, of giving gifts, so that Christians can “own” the holiday?

      • JasonMankey

        “There is no Thursday without Thor,” there are plenty of reasons to live on Thursday but only Pagans should really be able to enjoy it.

        Words are funny things, they have a tendency to get away from people, and their definitions change and evolve over time. Yes, Christmas has the word Christ in it, but obviously the holiday has roots unrelated to Jesus and has evolved in several ways unrelated to him.

        I grew up in a nominally Christian household but Christmas was never about Jesus. We had no nativity scene, we didn’t go to church that day (and indeed, when Christmas did fall on a Sunday our local church actually cancelled Sunday School classes and only held one service instead of the normal two).

        I refuse to allow anyone to define Christmas for me, and at Christmas/Midwinter Jesus has always been the square peg in a round hole.

        • Alaina Toadpipe

          I find it somewhat amusing that Terry Pratchett’s fictional work, The Hogfather, holds more truths about the origins of Santa Clause and Christmas than the lengthy op ed that Palin has had published.

          To my mind, Christmas means so much to all kinds of people because of the warmth and joy it brings during an often long, cold winter. We NEED reassurance of love, kindness and some sparkle this time of year. Especially in the more Northern latitudes do we need some kind of break and companionship in the middle of winter. Interestingly, despite being in Alaska, where her winter days are even shorter than where I am, she doesn’t seem to recognize that need. Instead she seems to only be intent on proving that only her way of celebrating it is right.

          • KarenJ

            She isn’t even IN Alaska except for photo ops these days. She lives in Scottsdale AZ now. So does her daughter, the one who had the illegitimate child during the 2008 election season.

        • Lēoht Sceadusawol

          Everyone can live on Thursday, but only Heathens celebrate it.

      • Lēoht Sceadusawol

        I’d say yes, but that is just me.

    • Donalbain

      Why though? Why not call it the thing we have been calling it for hundreds of years? We don’t harm anyone by having an atheist or a pagan celebration that well call Christmas.

      • Lēoht “Sceadusawol” Steren

        Because the term has pretty obvious religious connections. It is appropriation. We decry appropriation in other contexts, do we not? It would be hypocritical not to apply it equally.

        • Donalbain

          I don’t decry any such thing.

          • Lēoht “Sceadusawol” Steren

            Allow me to rephrase, then:

            Appropriation is decried in other contexts. As such it would be inappropriate and potentially hypocritical to not apply the term here.

  • Mari-Anne Mahlau

    Unsurprising, but I do like that you see unbelievably fair to her and gave her a chance, as you always do with people.

  • RefudiateGOPe

    The writer has fallen for the left’s and the GOPe’s assertion that Palin and the Tea Party are on the fringe. He shows he hasn’t a clue. There is not one position on any major issue that Palin has taken that is not supported by the majority when polled.

    Palin’s position on the use of our military is supported by people across all political lines. It has been dubbed as The Palin Doctrine. http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2011/05/04/the-palin-foreign-policy-doctrine/

    Her position on gun control is supported by the majority.

    Her position on federal spending/taxation is well supported by the majority.

    Her position on abortion is supported by the majority.

    Her position on gay marriage is supported by the majority, dependent upon the polling source.

    Her position on responsible development of our own energy resources is well supported by the majority. Drill, baby, drill.

    Her position on Obamacare is supported by the majority. Her chosen metaphor of “Death Panel” for the IPAB in the ACA has been proven to be correct.

    She was way ahead of the experts in damning quantitative easing and its effect on inflation. http://live.wsj.com/video/opinion-journal-palin-vs-bernanke/6A8B3973-6069-464E-B48B-4D4564C96DE5.html#!6A8B3973-6069-464E-B48B-4D4564C96DE5

    She has blasted crony capitalism which is the cause of government overspending.

    I challenge this writer to tell us what makes Palin a fringe right-winger. He was quick to label her, so he should be willing to support his position by giving us the details of why he considers her as fringe.

    We’ll be waiting right her Mr. Mankey. Oh, and please back up your assertions with facts and not opinions.

    If you read her articles on

    • http://www.forgingthesampo.com/ Kauko

      Wow, coming from someone who has Sarah Palin as their picture, no reason to question this person’s objectivity!

      • RefudiateGOPe

        Yes, I’m a Palin supporter and I support her because I know the facts about her governance. I don’t depend on the media to feed me all the lies written about her.

        Maybe instead of criticizing me for my avatar, maybe you should debate me about what makes her such a fringe right-winger, as the author of this review was so quick to paint her.

        • JasonMankey

          Quick to dismiss? I even included a link praising her time as governor. I think you were the one who entered the conversation with preconceived notions.

          • RefudiateGOPe

            “After Palin’s failed bid for Vice-President, I had a secret hope that
            she might turn into the “Conservative Oprah,” tone down her politics,
            and become the talk show host for women who love chili made out of moose
            meat. Sadly, Palin went the Tea Party route, where she became Saint
            Sarah to those on the fringe-right and “the fringe” to the rest of
            America.”
            It’s pretty clear that you labeled her as “fringe”. I dispute that assumption. You did not offer one example of her actually being a fringe right-winger or the Tea Party being made up of fringe right-wingers. Are proponents of following the constitution fringe? If you expect the government to spend within its means, are you fringe?

            In your mind, what is a fringe right-winger? Simply declaring someone as a fringe right-winger as part of your opening to a book review doesn’t cut it. It sounds like you’re the one that based your words on preconceived notions.

          • JasonMankey

            I don’t dispute the assumption at all. Have you seen the approval ratings for the Tea Party recently? 30% of Americans view the Tea Party favorably, that’s far from the majority. Did you see who we re-elected in 2012? President Obama, we also have Democrats running the Senate and a million more people voted for Democratic House candidates than GOP ones (darn gerrymandered districts!). A majority of Americans are now in favor of gay marriage too.

            I despise the idea that only people on the right or in the Tea Party “are proponents of the Constitution.” What a ridiculous comment. Obama is a constitutional scholar! Neither the left or the right owns what it is to be an American.

          • Bianca Bradley

            Obama is a lawyer, who has worked in law, and was a freshman Senator, without much experience(and it shows). He can claim to be a constitutional scholar all he wants, but I’d take Scalia, or Kennedy as far better sources. So are most federal Judges they would need to be.

            No a majority of Americans are not in favor of Gay marriage. They may be in favor of civil unions by a small fraction over 50 percent, but a majority is not true. Why? If it was a majority, there would not be such a bitter fight about it.

            Tea Party is no more fringe than Libertarians, Green party, or any other political group. Seriously you thought Palin, was going to be the Conservative Oprah(and go back into the kitchen and talk about inconsequential topics that no one really cares about) instead of political fray?????

            Whether the bigger United States likes or dislikes the Tea Party has no bearing. IT’s based on the districts and the votes they bring in. The representatives do not owe the bigger U.S they owe their constituents.

          • JasonMankey

            I would call libertarians fringe, and weird ass “Obama is not a citizen” stuff fringe. Socialism is fringe too, it doesn’t just exist on the right.

            Scalia? Ugh. Be glad corporations are people as it brings down our democracy.

            Don’t tell me that a majority aren’t in favor of gay marriage, because they are.

            http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/07/01/poll-supreme-court-gay-marriage-affirmative-action-voting-rights/2479541/

          • Bianca Bradley

            A 1003 adults by the Princeton survey group does not a majority make.

            Weird ass Obama is not a citizen, came about by a liberal suing to release Obama’s birth certificate, to prove Obama’s citizenship. It was also a precursor to his “transparent” take on the government. (smh)

            Scalia is a Supreme court justice. He follows Rehnquist in the view of the Constitution as enduring vs living. http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S35/52/39O50/index.xml?section=featured You may disagree with him, but he has far more experience than Obama does.

          • JasonMankey

            I’m not going to deny that their different interpretations of the Constitution, but to claim one side doesn’t believe in the Constitution and the other side does is hogwash.

            Lots of crazed-Tea Partiers hopped on the “Obama is not a citizen” bandwagon (yet they don’t have a problem with Ted Cruz who was clearly NOT born in the United States). Donald Trump, Orly Taitz for two, and there are lots more.

            Also, poll after poll says a majority of Americans are in favor of gay marriage. We’ve crossed the Rubicon, when it’s on the ballot now, it wins.

          • Bianca Bradley

            What ballot is Gay marriage on? Poll after Poll by whom, sorry but no.

            Ted Cruz if he was not a natural born citizen can’t be the Presendent. It’s in the Constitution of the United states. source: No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

            http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii

            If you are someone who believes in enduring constitution, you aren’t going to think that someone who believes in living is a proper constitution person. It’s hyperbole. sighs and smh.

          • JasonMankey

            Come on. Use your Google Search.

            A proposed amendment to Minnesota’s Constitution would have banned same-sex marriage. It was struck down with 53% of Minnesotans voting against it. A referendum on same-sex marriage passed in Washington last year with 54% of the vote.

            Polls form 2013:

            A September Quinnipiac University poll found that 56% of American adults and 57% of registered voters supported same-sex marriage. Only 36% of both groups were opposed.[13]

            A July 10–14 poll by Gallup found support for gay marriage at 54%, a record high, and double the support of 27% Gallup first measured when the question was asked in 1996.[14]

            A July poll by USA Today found that 55% of Americans supported gay marriage while 40% did not.[15]

            A May 9 Washington Post-ABC News poll found that 55% of Americans supported gay marriage while 40% did not.[16]

            A March 20–24 CBS News Poll found that 53% of Americans supported same-sex marriage, 39% opposed it, and 8% were undecided.[17] The same poll also found that 33% of Americans who thought same-sex couples should be allowed to legally marry said they once held the opposite view and had changed their opinion.

            A March 7–10 Washington Post-ABC News[18] poll found that 58% of Americans support same-sex marriage while 36% opposed. The poll indicated that 52% of GOP-leaning independents under 50 years old supported gay marriage.[19]

            A March Quinnipiac University poll of voters found 47% supported same-sex marriage and 43% were opposed.[20]

            I have to finish up some writing this evening so I’m done with this thread, but I’ve backed up what I’m saying. :)

            And yes Ted Cruz can be President. I understand what the Constitution means by natural born citizen. I wish the idiots who believe Obama was born in Kenya did.

          • Bianca Bradley

            It’s still debatable whether Cruz can run. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/03/20/supporters-push-for-ted-cruz-for-president/
            It hasn’t been tested in the courts. The reason that Cruz can run, is that the Senate made a law that someone that was born to a United States citizen, can be considered natural born.(see article). Cruz was born in Canada to a mother that was an American Citizen.

            You backed up the polls, however that does not make it majority. Polls have been skewed before.

            Have fun writing.

          • Beaverton

            Jason, you are clearly wasting your time trying to present facts to someone like Bianca. She has no interest in educating herself. I like the phrase that Barney Frank used when responding to an ignorant constituent at a town hall meeting in Dartmouth, MA… “Trying to have a conversation with you would be like arguing with a dining room table”. Quite applicable in this case, I’m sure.

          • KatieAnnieOakley

            I was just about to say that. They’ll argue and bring in more and more of her minions to troll the post unending for weeks. That’s why its tough to find anyone in any media medium (outside of blogs) that will criticize anything she says or does, because of the ferocious blow-back from her crazed “fans”. Its a cult. Its also why more and more in the media are repulsed by her. Everything she touches turns to chaos.

          • Bianca Bradley

            I haven’t brought in any minions, nor flying monkeys. Also, if you actually look at my links, many of them would be acceptable in an academic essay, so I think I can prove that I have shown my facts.

          • Bianca Bradley

            Ahem, have you bothered looking at my links. Yeah I think I can say I have shown the facts. You might have a bit of a point on the polls, but I believe I can dig up examples of bad polls, I just would rather not play on google on that.

            Not liking opinion polls, does not mean I do not know facts, how to critically think. Also stop conflating opinion with facts. Barney Frank was a crazy nutty Senator, he isn’t a good one to be quoting.

          • http://youtube.com/user/BowmanFarm Brian Bowman

            > We’ve crossed the Rubicon

            Indeed, even in “red state” country, for the most part. Not many people care about the issue that I know. It seems to be a very small minority worried about other people’s sex lives.

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            Bianca, it looks like you’ve fallen for the Big Birther Lie. It was old when it was new, and it’s three times as old now. Get over it, please — you do yourself no favors by hanging onto it.

          • Bianca Bradley

            Because I know the history behind the birther movement, I somehow believe that Obama is Kenyan? Ok then.

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            “Weird ass Obama is not a citizen” – What am I supposed to take that to mean, especially in the light of your comments about Ted Cruz, below?

          • Bianca Bradley

            You could read the comment I was commenting to, to get the context. Aka Jason originally used the words.

            I brought up the constitution for crying out loud and the point that it hasn’t been tested in the courts, about cruz. What I was doing, was the same thing my history teacher in highschool had me do, ignore the dates, talk the why’s about the facts. It’s what I have to do in papers in college now. smh

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            You know what? You’re absolutely right. I misunderstood what you meant. My bad, and I’m sorry.

            Having said that, it would be easier to understand what you mean if you wrote in something approaching intelligibility. I sure hope when you turn in college papers they don’t read like they were written by an octopus on heavy psychedelics.

          • Bianca Bradley

            Or you could, ask, next time, if you had a confusion on what I wrote. As for my grammar and how unintelligible it is, I really think you are reaching. If it feels better to put in a “burn” have at it, but I’m just going to shrug and ignore it.

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            No, I am not reaching. You are being sloppy and slapdash, and it does not get your point across well.

            Put it this way: I should not HAVE to ask you for clarification. Take the time to make yourself clear.

          • Bianca Bradley

            If you should not have to ask for clarification, then you don’t communicate very often. Humans, even when things are perfect, don’t always understand each other.

            I did make myself clear. Jason understood my query to him, and it was addressed to him, not you. You manage to understand all my other stuff I type. So yes you are reaching in order to score a “burn”. I’m not overly impressed.

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            “I’m not overly impressed.”

            That makes two of us. :)

          • http://youtube.com/user/BowmanFarm Brian Bowman

            you’ve fallen for the Big Birther Lie

            It’s so big that even Obama’s literary agents fell for it.

          • Bianca Bradley

            That’s amusing. It does shed light why some of the more Conservatives think he was born in Kenya vs Hawaii.

          • http://youtube.com/user/BowmanFarm Brian Bowman

            Frankly, I don’t really give a rip where Obama was born; I wanted to demonstrate that, while somebody like Sarah Palin might well be irrational in the face of publicly verifiable evidence* that upsets the myths of the group, so is everybody else. Non-conservatives use the same techniques of shaming and irrationality as Sarah Palin’s tribe.

            Seven down votes now, from only an excerpt of a literary agent. I drew no conclusions, took no side. Just offered publicly verifiable evidence.

            One might think I had wandered into a Bible-banging evangelical fundamentalist church with Darwin’s Origin of the Species.
            ____________
            * “Science replaces private prejudice with publicly verifiable evidence.” ~Richard Dawkins
            youtube.com/watch?v=9Cd36WJ79z4

          • Bianca Bradley

            Thus, why I find it amusing. I fully agree Conservatives are just as much bombastic braying donkeys as many uber liberal Pagans, who don’t live tolerance. I honestly(probably because I am not going to buy a book written by Obama anymore then I will one by Hannity), that there are blurbs that say that, by his own salespeople.

            Waves btw. I have gotten several down votes by pointing out libel laws. smdh.

          • http://youtube.com/user/BowmanFarm Brian Bowman

            bombastic braying

            As St. Carlin [goddess bless his Frisbeetarian soul stuck on a roof in Buffalo] observed:

            “When you’re born you get a ticket to the freak show. When you’re born in America, you get a front row seat.” – George Carlin

            ;)

          • Bianca Bradley

            Nice to meet ya cowboy:P

          • KatieAnnieOakley

            smdh = shaking my damn head. How very Christian of you.

          • Bianca Bradley

            I’m not Christian, I am a Pagan. My patron is Loki, Cernunnos and Pan. I am growing closer to the Morrigan as well. I do have a friendly relationship with Yahweh, of mutal respect.

            Would you like to try again?

          • http://youtube.com/user/BowmanFarm Brian Bowman

            I thought I detected a bit of Loki’s influence. ;)

          • Bianca Bradley

            I also like Coyote:P

            So my catlike curiosity is in effect, who do you follow if you don’t mind my nosiness?

          • http://youtube.com/user/BowmanFarm Brian Bowman

            I suppose one could say my views are nature-based and pantheistic, and I don’t believe in an afterlife, Symphony of Science is my sacred music; however, I am yet a staid Christian, just like Thomas Jefferson.

            “To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence; & believing he never claimed any other.” ~Thomas Jefferson, letter to Benjamin Rush, May 21, 1803

            “To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, God, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no God, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But a heresy it certainly is.” ~Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, August 15, 1820

            Which leaves me not much chance of fitting in any Christian church. (And that suits, now that it is socially acceptable to not attend.)

            “I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.”~Thomas Jefferson, letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, June 25, 1819

            Well then, not quite so staid. But it is just a bit of fun calling myself a Christian and calling the Pauline magical dying-rising solar-deity believers who say I’m going to hell “masked atheists.” Turnabout is such an excellent parry. Maybe Jefferson had a bit of Loki-trickster influence too. ;)

          • Bianca Bradley

            Neat. So where do you hang out on the internet, if I wish to talk to you more. You seem like a genuinely cool dude.

          • http://youtube.com/user/BowmanFarm Brian Bowman

            I don’t have any twitbook accounts, no blog (took it down) or anything much other than this 2 week old Disqus account. I’ll probably get rid of it when I start pruning the orchard and all the spring chores come up. But you can watch me milk cows and churn butter on youtube. Then you too can chew me out for throwing away the buttermilk, because I was doing it one handed and videoing with the other hand. LOL!

            If you want to discuss Jefferson’s or Loki’s theology or natural farming out of this comment section, throw an email.

          • Bianca Bradley

            Well I subscribed to your you tube. I can be reached at moonwolf23@yahoo.com You might also be interested in this forum. http://polytheismwoborders.freeforums.net/ Come wander over and talk.

          • KatieAnnieOakley

            ROTFL!

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            Except that the big reveal on the literary agency’s boo-boo didn’t come out until 2012 — over four years after the Birther machine started chugging away. Before that, we had a million “experts” trying to prove that the evidence was false, people were lying, and that this, that, or the other thing was a fakeroo. We had court cases that went nowhere, lawsuits that were filed in the wrong court, and conspiracy-minded clowns aplenty dancing around World Net Daily.

            The literary agency “bombshell” was a late player in the game, and was (IIRC) quickly shushed once the President jumped through the hoops to get his BC released and shown off — just in time to make Jerome Corsi and Donald Trump look really damned stupid. And then, as predicted, they tried to turn the conversation from “he wasn’t born here”: to “since his dad wasn’t an American citizen, neither is he.”

          • Bianca Bradley

            Conspiracy clowns dance around all political boundaries. The last one I encountered was that Bush blew up the World trade towers, and was snarky about the fact that I showed the refute from popular mechanics and the blog filled with mechanical engineers and the like. Nor did they like it when I tore apart his expert and showed him why his expert does not count in physics.

            Frankly Obama shot himself in the foot by not releasing the birth certificate right off the bat. He has only himself and his idiocy on PR to blame for the whole birther thing.

            Asking hard questions about his citizenry should have been expected. It should have been addressed, at the beginning. It would have stopped the first lawsuit, which prompted all the other stuff. The first lawsuit btw, did not come from the Conservatives btw.

            Despite his lack of experience when he first ran, he can’t claim Naivety. He comes from Chicago and they do politics pretty hard there. So he should have expected the national politics to be just as hard. If he didn’t, then his public relations people failed him.

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            “Asking hard questions about his citizenry should have been expected”

            Not really. He was born in America, to an American parent. Either one of those would be enough to make him a natural born citizen. He had both. The notion that the circumstances of his birth somehow disqualified him from office literally came from nowhere.

            And yes, you are right, the first lawsuit was from Hillary supporter Phil Berg, who was definitely not a conservative. He’s also a 9/11 Truther whose previous lawsuit was trying to hold Bush responsible for 9/11, so take that for what you will.

            And he did release his Certificate of Live Birth, which, along with the birth announcements, should have been enough to settle the matter. But every time new evidence was found you had a legion of internet warriors ready to pick it apart and claim it bogus, just to keep the issue alive.

            In that sense, I think it was good of him to wait on the release. He dropped it right when the other side played the biggest hand they could, and when he showed his hand they were left with nothing but ridicule. So maybe he DID use some of that Chicago style politicking?

          • Bianca Bradley

            Since it only recently came by, from the Senate making a bill, yes, it should have been expected. Though that bill has yet to go through the courts, and land at the Supremes, so the matter is not really all that settled.

            For someone who was running on a platform of transparent govt, the whole birth certificate thing, was a prime indicator on just how “transparent” he would be.

            The only people who think that the birthers are ridiculous, are those that are frankly very liberal to begin with.

            Personally the birthers are no worse than any other overly passionate person out there. They are just as annoying as most of the overly liberal Pagans who, gasp that you don’t hold the same political views as them. They are just as annoying as the militant atheists who can’t conceive that you believe in something, and must internet diagnose you(breaking every psychological ethic while doing so)with some sort of mental disorder. Just as annoying as the condescending indignant grammar nazi’s who can’t be bothered to stop looking down their nose at you. In short, they are annoying, like every other annoying twit out there(that includes everybody).

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            No, Bianca. That’s the way it is. If you are born in America, you are a natural born citizen, regardless of where your parents come from, or if they’re even citizens. And if you are born overseas to even one American parent, you are a natural born citizen because of your parent.

            This means that Obama is a natural born citizen. This also means that Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen. Some birthers have posited that there are three kinds of citizens: natural born, native born, and naturalized, but they are incorrect and grabbing at straws. You’re either natural born or naturalized, and Obama and Cruz are definitely the former.

            This is not something to be decided by a recently-made bill. This is jurisprudence. And the reason why Birthers seem so ridiculous about it is because they refuse to listen to facts and people who actually know what they’re talking about, and would rather believe (and spread) lies, half-truths, and rumors, and place their trust in “experts” who clearly do not know what they are talking about.

            Thankfully, there ARE a number of conservatives who agree that this is a theory that should have been shucked a long time ago. They have quite wisely recognized that there are reasons to disagree with our President that are legitimate and above board. There are also reasons to hate him that are legitimate, if you lean that way.

            But if you’re going to hate him, at least hate him for something he is, or something he did — not made-up garbage.

            Also: you’re starting to slip again. You might want to tighten up your writing before I misunderstand you :)

          • Bianca Bradley

            No J Edward that is not the way it is.

            http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm#ref28

            Gives reasons why. I’ll give you the homepage and you can read the pages of info why. It is rather interesting. http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm

            Plus there is this fascinating thing as well. http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm#ref31

            And there is this interesting thing. http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf

            It has not been settled law yet. IE not enough court cases in the Federal court to define natural born citizen, though I bet the Supremes would go to English Common law to uphold it.

            Now onto your theory that I hate Obama. Really, have I stated as such? Or are you making assumptions? If I do dislike Obama, do you know why? Are you making assumptions that I know the context of where the “Birthers” as you derogatorily term them, come from?

            I don’t believe you mean to use the term Jurisprudence here. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/jurisprudence It doesn’t seem to apply in the context.

            If you mean that there has been prior case law, that would be Stare Decis. And as my two links show, not much of any.

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            Sorry, but no. The author of that page is clearly mistaken, and you do yourself no favors reading that junk. You would do well to go here for better information.

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/

            “Now onto your theory that I hate Obama.”

            I said no such thing. I said: “There are also reasons to hate him that are legitimate, if you lean that way.

            But if you’re going to hate him, at least hate him for something he is, or something he did — not made-up garbage.”

            I did not mean “you” as in you, specifically. I meant “you” as in general.

            You are right, though: jurisprudence probably isn’t the best word to use there. It’s more like a long-term legal understanding that some people just do not get because it doesn’t suit their purposes.

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            Oh, and incidentally? That “interesting thing” completely blew the other things you posted out of the water on page one:

            “The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth,” either by being born “in” the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship “at birth.” Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an “alien” required to go through the legal process of “naturalization” to become a U.S. citizen.”

            Which is exactly what I said, and what most people who are conversant with Constitutional Law generally believe to be true. There are those who believe otherwise, but they don’t seem to be able to explain their divergence in such a way that it carries any real weight.

          • Bianca Bradley

            Except there was another paragraph on the other interesting link that said, that being born abroad doesn’t have the caselaw that being born in the U.S has, which is what I was saying.

            Which is what the first link(that cited the case law btw so how it is junk I fail to see) was also talking about. It also talked about why the lawsuits are being dismissed, due to the Supreme court not having the standing.

            THe first link is showing case law, and talking in legal arguments. How is it junk?

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            “How is it junk?”

            Go to the site I suggested you go to, do a little research into the subject, and then get back to me.

            Meanwhile, I think this has turned into threadcrapping. Good luck with that college thing, and tell Loki he owes me a horse.

          • Bianca Bradley

            Do I look like a Harry Potter owl? You are quite capable of telling Loki yourself. If he needs me to relay a message back at ya, then I shall.

            No, I’m not doing assigned homework on top of my other crap. I talk to you in a perfectly civil manner, you do not get to condescend to me. It is a perfectly reasonable question. Why do you think the site is junk? He uses case law, he argues in legal ways? Do you have something concrete that makes it junk?

            If I wanted to play, refute crazy conspiracy theories today, I would do so on my own. I am quite capable of amusing myself on google, all on my own, thanks.

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            “No, I’m not doing assigned homework on top of my other crap.”

            Then you will learn nothing, and continue to look foolish while debating the issue. :)

            Bai bai, now!

          • Bianca Bradley

            smh

            Didn’t think you had anything substantive to add. You are the liberal equivalent of Exodus, only you hide it better. If I wanted talking points, I can get them for myself, and from more trustworthy sites.

            Oh and lesson time. I didn’t nominate you my teacher. If you want to get fluffy bunny new agey, mayhaps I’m not the one that needs a lesson learned. You might learn something more, if you took a pin to that inflated head of yours. You might also fit through the door.

            Dusts hands off, from engagement, of the pseudo intellectual self proclaimed elite.

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            In other words: “I got caught pretending I wasn’t a Birther, and refuse to take the steps necessary to learn any more about the subject.”

            The inflation is from facts you’re too lazy to learn. Use the pin on your pride, Birther.

          • Bianca Bradley

            Oooh, struck a nerve did I?

            Nope, not a birther. Pretty apathetic about the whole deal. But then again, you have a history of assumptions, throughout this thread.

            See you have this annoying habit, of when you can’t refute something, to go to snark. You aren’t even that good at snark. The burns you use, are pretty weak.

            I learned both sides and what side I stood on, in Obama’s first term as President. I read the lawsuit. I saw the refutes. Going to yet another spin zone, isn’t going to tell me anything I didn’t already know. Then again, if you had taken some time out of jumping to conclusions and actually asked, you would have been told that.

            Now run along sonny boy. Momma and Grandma don’t need no lessons on how to cook.

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            His agency got the facts wrong and never corrected it. The person who made the mistake has since fessed up to it. End of story, except for people who can’t stop believing.

            http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/05/17/literary_agent_says_1991_booklet_was_a_mistake.html

          • http://youtube.com/user/BowmanFarm Brian Bowman

            > except for people who can’t stop believing.

            I never said I believed it or even cared about it. It’s just interesting how people who despise Evangelical Fundamentalists act just like them to protect their canonical story against textual criticism.

            > End of story

            God said it, and I believe it, and that settles it for me

            Am I going to hell if I’m a skeptical inquirer?

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            “I never said I believed it or even cared about it.”

            I never said you did. :)

          • Donalbain
          • http://www.oddmodout.com/ Ruadhán J McElroy

            Of course, I’ve got five bucks that says she’s going to come back with something about how that’s not a 2/3 majority so it’s meaningless or something, or maybe claiming that Gallup polls are somehow “inconclusive”, or somehow else changing the rules so that she can “refute” your evidence.

            That’s just how she is.

            It makes more sense to argue with a Buddhist who’s of the school that holds that there’s no logical/conclusive proof of the existence of anything —at least that school of thought is logically consistent.

        • http://www.forgingthesampo.com/ Kauko

          Why would I want to debate someone who obviously already has all the answers and whose comment history clearly shows that they get their kicks by trolling the internet, obsessively commenting on any post about Palin with a comment section?

          Now back to the avatar: the only thing better than it being Palin is having St. Ronald Reagan in the background!

    • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

      The Palin Doctrine?
      Name one politician that uses “The Palin Doctrine” by name. You guys are the biggest joke ever. You act like palin is a policy maker. The fact remains that she was banned from the 2012 RNC. SP is an entertainer and will NEVER run for President of the USA

      WAKE UP!

  • Ambaa

    Wow! Great review. This book is on its way to me now for review also but I don’t think I’ll be able to say anything new that you haven’t expressed (and in such a kind and peaceful way!)

  • Eric Lethe

    I always like your commentary. The Palin book serves to do what it intended..to sell copies to the FoxNews simpleton demographic that would eat SP’s shite and consider it enlightenment. Bright Blessings.

    • Bianca Bradley

      As opposed to any other followers of religion and news? What makes someone who watches and likes Fox news worse then what you follow and trust and decide to buy products from?

      • margieR

        Because, Bianca, Fox “news” is not an accredited news service. the US appellate courts ruled it an “entertainment channel”. and so they are not held to the same standard of truth that the real news is. The judge actually said they can lie if they want to, until they decide to get accreditation to become a legitimate news service.

        • Bianca Bradley

          Fox is an news channel. I really could give two rats whether they are accredited or not(because they ALL have issues. see little green footballs before he went nuts). Their news is actually fairly decent, now their night stuff is entertainment.

          Fox is no worse then the other news out there. Just because some choose to watch Fox, does not make them simpletons. Because you choose to watch another news outlet, does not make you more enlightened.

          and btw, an entertainment source is STILL held to libel and slander laws.

          • KatieAnnieOakley

            Comparing a media outlet to the blog Little Green Footballs is a false equivalency designed to rationalize what Fox “News” really is and what they really do: selling opinion as news. News is based in facts; the designation as an entertainment channel means opinion can color the reporting. And that suits them just fine – white Jesus and all~!

          • Bianca Bradley

            I was NOT comparing Fox to little green footballs, I was pointing out that little green footballs often showed how the media was lying. Reuters was often caught in photoshopped oopsies by that blog.

            How about another comparison, NY times and keeping the journalist(because he was a minority) when he blatantly made up stories, and until being caught publically, was when they fired him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

          • Bianca Bradley

            When you are doing an opinion editorial piece, opinion can color ALL the reporting. YOu may want to know and find the distinction between their reporting and their editorials.

            For instance I would not hold Ted Rall a yahoo editorialist(last I knew) to the same standards as Dan Rather.

          • cheeriogirl

            What other “news” channel has gone to federal court to fight for their rights to force their anchors to lie to their viewers?

          • Bianca Bradley

            STate court, see one of my links above, not federal court.

          • cheeriogirl

            Well then, riddle me this… What other “news” channel has gone to state court to fight for their rights to force their own anchors to lie to their viewers?

          • Bianca Bradley

            That would require a detailed lexis Nexus and or another legal search engine search. Which I’m going to be bluntly honest, I don’t have the time or energy to do. If you know how, have at it.

            However… Fox isn’t the only news source with eyebrow raising scandals. I already linked the NY times scandal.

          • ibwilliamsi

            “That would require a detailed lexis Nexus and or another legal search engine search.”

            That’s the LAMEST answer to the question “name any other news channel that has to court to fight for their rights to force their own anchors to lie to their viewers” I’ve ever heard.

            Your opinion on the matter means Jack-all sweety. Either get yourself a Lexus-Nexus or button your woefully uninformed lips.

          • Bianca Bradley

            http://www.lawsitesblog.com/2011/07/what-do-you-pay-for-westlaw-or-lexisnexis.html

            Lexisnexis and Westlaw, are what paralegals use to do legal research. You would use Westlaw and or Lexis to find out those lawsuits. I do not have several hundred dollars to pay for that. Nor do I have the HOURS or DAYS that would be necessary to dig for that.

            It isn’t lame, it is reality. So the only one uniformed here is you. So maybe you should take your own orders.

          • http://www.oddmodout.com/ Ruadhán J McElroy

            Fox is no worse then the other news out there.

            Except for the fact that people whose primary or only news source is FOX tend to be less-informed than viewers of The Daily Show, which has never claimed to be anything but entertainment.

            http://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5

          • Bianca Bradley

            Fact or opinion? Less informed on what subject matter? Are we talking about their news of their Editorial section at night? For instance this is news on their news site: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/15/senators-mccain-murphy-join-massive-ukraine-anti-government-protest-threaten/ This is one of their editorial sections.http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/index.html There is a difference.

            I’m sure someone who did nothing but listen to Ted Rall instead of O’Reilly, would be just as uninformed. Likewise someone who read and believed nothing but what mother earth news puts out, would also be just as uninformed.

          • ibwilliamsi

            Bianca, your lack of any sense of reality tells me that you’ve never actually watched a “news program” or read a real “news paper”. When watching a news program, the news SHOULD be presented stand alone. “A house burned down last night, a careless smoker is suspected.” “It rained 2 inches yesterday in Boston.” THAT is two examples of “news” on a real news station.” A real news station sometimes presents a comment from the editor. When they do – and they DON’T do it often, they do it at the end of the program as a stand alone. “The following is an announcement from our editor concerning…” one topic.It usually happens in an election cycle or when a tragedy has occured.

            Get your mind out of the Fox gutter and give the real news world a try for a week. Watch “Reporting” rather than “debating” or “Sensationalism”. Try BBC World News, or The PBS News Hour. You may not like it, you may think it’s boring (I’m sure you will), but only THEN can you comment on what an editorial presentation and not have people see what a complete idiot you are.

          • Bianca Bradley

            You really should not make assumptions. I do look at BBC(generally on their foregin stuff) PBS news hour, is meh. I watch Fox, ABC, CBS and sometimes CNN. I actually like to read Washington post.

            And really golly gee, I know more about the news and how to write it and how to watch for slant, than you think I do. While you were being pedantic, you forgot, write at certain age levels, put most of the information at the beginning(because viewers skim), and tell both sides and let the viewers make up their mind.

        • Bianca Bradley

          So far, I’ve found democratic underground and other biased sources, like boycot fox. This is what I’ve found on fox, but I don’t think it is what you think it is.

          http://www.relfe.com/media_can_legally_lie.html

          Florida appelate court, not U.S., still looking.

          I believe this may be what you are saying. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine

          There is no law that I am aware of that requires news to report the way they do, the journalist ethics does. Libel and Slander laws apply as well. But if the yellow journalist days didn’t break the 1st amendment, I doubt your issues with Fox would as well.

          I also googled whether news gets accredited(so far not that I’ve found) as well as journalist and other then it applying to schools, nada.

          • skunkcabbage

            You are right in the sense that the US does not have any laws about “news” channels lying. But the accreditation as “entertainment” listed above is correct. Fox News tried to go into Canada and set up there, but Canada DOES have a law saying no “news” agency may lie to the public. Therefore, No Fox News Canada.

          • Bianca Bradley

            The U.S does have laws on lying. Those are the slander and Libel laws. They apply to everyone, not just news. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Libel+and+Slander

            I still have yet to see who accredits news agencies. It isn’t something I ran into, when I was a communication student, it wasn’t something I ran into when I was a freelance photojournalist(mostly human interest stories), it wasn’t covered in anything I ever encountered.

          • KatieAnnieOakley

            A communication student! No wonder you’re here – Palin was a communications student too – NOT JOURNALISM. You protest too much…

          • Bianca Bradley

            You do realise that Communication is a big college major, that covers journalism, public relations, marketing, advertising etc. NO I did not go to a journalism school, I went to a private college in massachusetts(really good financial aid) and had a major in communications(the Dean had real life experience in public relations and chose a job later at a larger institution) and minored in photojournalism)

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication_studies

            http://collegelife.about.com/od/CollegeMajors/a/Careers-For-A-Communications-Major.htm

            13. Work as a journalist at a paper or magazine. True, traditional print press is going through a rough period. But there can still be some interesting jobs out there where you can put your communications skills and training to use.

            Yes I am aware that despite many politicians having degrees in Law, Palin is one of the few exceptions with a degree in Communications.

          • KatieAnnieOakley

            I never said she had a degree or diploma; she attended at one point in her life. She also attended many other schools.

            Listening to the verbiage that tumbles out of her gaping maw is proof enough – she didn’t earn a degree in anything.

          • Bianca Bradley

            Actually she did earn a degree in Communications. If you did a bit of googling, you would find that out.

            AS you would have also found out that Communications is a big header major that Journalism falls under.

          • KatieAnnieOakley

            .
            She is shown as an alumnus of University of Idaho; that can mean a graduate – or a former student.
            .

          • Bianca Bradley
          • KatieAnnieOakley

            If you read the University of Idaho website, you’ll notice they carefully – oh, so carefully – refer to Palin as an ALUMNUS – NOT as a GRADUATE, not that she has a DEGREE:

            http://www.uidaho.edu/class/meetourpeople/alumni/sarahpalin

          • Ardiva40

            Katie…from website: “Palin is a 1987 graduate of the University of Idaho.” It’s in fine print further down the article.

            BUT, that does not mean that Palin has carried over her learning into real-life situations.

          • KatieAnnieOakley

            I am SO GLAD you brought that up. I went back and re-read it – you’re right. But I’m sure what’s on my portable HD says otherwise… and I downloaded that years ago, in 2008… so why would they change it? Hmmmm…

          • Ardiva40

            I dunno…..check your portHD again for clarification. Am curious now.

          • cheeriogirl

            Funny how not one of her teachers, nor her advisor from UI remembers Sarah. And how is it that she “earned” a degree, without having worked on the school newspaper, radio or television station, requirements of all other students at the college?

            For that matter, was it a “journalism” degree- or was it a “communications” degree? Funny how Sarah can’t seem to remember what degree it took her so many years, and so many colleges to obtain.

          • Bianca Bradley

            It’s a University, KSU has over 30 thousand students, how many people do you remember? Nor do you need to work the radio, newspaper or television, that’s extracurricular. Plus she has worked jobs after she graduated, you can see that if you google her biography.

            It’s not all that strange to go to multiple schools.

          • cheeriogirl

            Why bring in KSU stats, if not to color the picture?

            The average class size in the UI school of journalism was FIFTEEN students during the period of time Sarah attended. And again, not one of her professors, nor her advisor remember her, and she can’t remember the degree she “graduated” with. And yes, as a matter of fact, UI requires their students to work at their newspaper, on their radio station or at their television station; work necessary to complete their degree. There is no record confirming Palin met those requirements.

            Sarah’s job experiences don’t interest me. Her habit of lying about her experiences does.

          • Bianca Bradley

            They may require it NOW, requirements change over the years. She graduated in 1987, what was their requirements then?

            I brought up the KSU stats, because it is a state University in a small state, to show that University of Idaho, may also be similarly large, thus why it would not be that shocking that teachers don’t remember her. Mind you, she graduated in 1987, and went there for 3 semesters, did any of the teachers change in that time? What type of investigative journalist did the person who did this piece do?

            Not that I really care all that much. Not that her education or work experience is very imp right now. Even as a vice president, her job would be to sit there, twiddle her thumbs, occasionally do some foreign policy, if the Senate was ever at a tie, break the tie, and basically wait for the President to die. Since she decided she would be better served as a personality to increase the Tea Party power, the liklihood that she’s going to go into office, isn’t that high. So whether or not she ever worked at any of those things in a University isn’t really that imp.

            I find it ironic and telling that so much effort has been put in to discredit her, but the same people who are ok with that, get more than a bit persnickety when that self same effort is put in to discredit Obama. The self same people who say that Palin wasn’t experienced are the self same people who voted for Obama, who had vastly less experience then Palin. Plus I bet they voted for him in the primary over Hillary, who had loads more experience than he ever did. That is head shaking.

          • Fred Raby

            You guys are so far off base now, that I forgot what the post was about

          • ibwilliamsi

            Your being unaware of a law doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. In fact, your being unaware of it is to be expected given the utter failure that our education system has become.

            The FCC grants airwave privileges to television and radio stations, because the PEOPLE own the airwaves. There is a basid standard for journalism, and any media outlet that desires a news licence – which allows them access to news scenes and protections as legitimate workers – must be a news organization. Fox news is just not recognized by the US government as a “news organization”. Period. They are recognized as an entertainment organization. Why? Because their primary purpose is to organize. And their being entertainment is fine. But calling themselves news is a lie, because people turn to them in time of need and get lies.

            FWIW, read up on it some time. Not that you’d ever understand.

            http://www.fcc.gov/guides/how-apply-radio-or-television-broadcast-station

          • Bianca Bradley

            A bureaucratic law, does not hold the same weigh as Supreme court edict. If you were half as smart as you think you are, you would have seen that yes I am aware of it, see the wiki entry I linked. I am aware of the FCC law. What you are quoting is called Administrative Actions.

            I am aware of their power. I am also aware it has limits and previous laws were overturned by the Supreme on 1st amendment. Oh and btw, hate to inform you sweety, no there is no accreditation. Bloggers can be considered press and held to the same standard as the NY Times. So before you start blathering about FCC rules, you may want to take your bum over to the annotated constitution and read up on 1st amendment free speech cases. Huff post a clearly biased site can be considered a news source, whether the FCC likes it or not.

            The standard of the news is not due to law, but do to their ethics. I have read older versions of it. I am aware of the news ethics.

            1st amendment trumps Administrative Actions

        • Fred Raby

          If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance, period.

      • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

        Tune out cable news and hate radio.

  • Bianca Bradley

    Scuse me, but why are you speaking for ALL Pagans? Yes there are Pagans that can make peace with Palin. Heck there are Pagans that actually like her.

    Can you make peace with her, no, but that is your politics.

    • http://www.forgingthesampo.com/ Kauko

      I’m too lazy to read the entire post again, so would you kindly point me to where the OP says that it is speaking for all Pagans?

      • Bianca Bradley

        From the facebook blurb”
        Patheos Pagan
        Can a Pagan find middle ground with Sarah Palin and her new book _Good Tidings Great Joy?_ The answer is mostly “no,” but we gave it our best shot. ‪#‎Pagan‬ ‪#‎WarOnChristmas‬ ‪#‎Christmas‬

        • http://www.forgingthesampo.com/ Kauko

          That says ‘can a Pagan’, not ‘can ALL Pagans’.

          Additionally, I’m curious to know if Jason is even the one who wrote that blurb and not the person in charge of linking all Patheos Pagan content on social media.

  • Mikal

    Well, you gave it a go anyways right? It seems she has a habit of doing and saying things simply for the fifteen minutes of fame, and this book appears to be more of the same on this.

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/approachingjustice/ Chris Henrichsen

    Hey, thanks for the shoutout!

  • disqusux

    Since Mrs Palin does not attend church, and has not in several years, I wouldn’t credit anything she’s paid to write about Christmas. Jesus hasn’t been the reason for Sarah Palin’s season since 2008, so Jesus is plainly not the reason for this book.

    • Fred Raby

      Jesus is in your heart, not your Church. You take him to church with you and share his love with other people who attend your church. The strength you get from all the people is what carries you through to the next meeting.

      • ibwilliamsi

        You should feel free to speak of what you believe in your Church. What you are saying may be true of your Church. It’s not true in all Churches. Unless perhaps you’d like the government to declare which Church’s doctrine we should believe in?

        • Fred Raby

          The lord say’s to put your light on a candle stick for all the world to see. I think that would include speech.

          • ibwilliamsi

            Only your and Sarah’s speech though, right?

        • Fred Raby

          I should say my lord, because I don’t know who your Lord is. Sorry if I offended you

      • disqusux

        I couldn’t agree with you more that the regular gathering with your faith community does indeed give you a wonderful sense of renewal every week. That’s why it’s beyond me that someone who claims to be “too busy for church” for years and years is holding themselves up as an expert on faith- someone who doesn’t feel the anticipation of Advent and particularly someone who doesn’t feel the ‘pull’ of their faith at Easter.

        • Fred Raby

          She has a set of principles She lives by and she likes to share them with the public, much like Ted Cruz. They don’t say different things in different places to please the public. They always have the same message, The Truth!! Millions of people agree with Sarah’s principles

  • minus47

    Her shortsightedness is simply an indicator of how little of the world she has experienced. When Katie Couric asked her about her “world view” she honestly could not answer because at that point in her life, age 44 and running for the VP of the United States of America she’d only had a passport for a few months.

    • Fred Raby

      Her main concern is our country. It would be really refreshing to have someone like that calling the shots, for a change.

  • Cat lover

    Jason, with each piece you write my admiration for you grows. It’s not just that I agree with you, but that you are such a decent person.

  • http://youtube.com/user/BowmanFarm Brian Bowman

    Since the traditional dying-rising Christ myth is of pagan origin, I view the key difference between traditional Christianity and Paganism as a struggle between acceptance of many gods and rigid belief of only one, as Jonathan Kirsch shows in his God Against The Gods: The History of the War Between Monotheism and Polytheism (Viking, 2004).

    The difference basically comes down to one word: tolerance.

    • Y. A. Warren

      The actual basic difference, in my opinion, is in accepting that any two people observing the same thing, will have two different accounts of their own experience of the shared event. Ask any two siblings, with the same parents, in the same home, what went on in their shared family or examples. These interpretations and naratives of events, even in the present, will vary wildly.

  • skunkcabbage

    “Palin doesn’t seem to have a firm grasp…” That should have been the whole sentence right there. Oh, and now you are on her shit list- watch out she’s gonna send her flying monkeys over to burn you at the cross, you pagan heathen you!

  • metroid_fetish

    How dare you disrespect the authors of this book. They personally asked you for a review, therefore you should have felt honored and given this holy tome the praise it deserves. Shame on you!

    • KatieAnnieOakley

      He reviewed it – and gave his opinion. That you don’t care for it is too bad.

      “…you should have felt honored and given this holy tome the praise it deserves.”

      If they wanted a rubber stamp – they should have asked him to rubber stamp it!

      How DARE he disagree with The Great And Powerful PALIN~!!!

      • Bianca Bradley

        They were being sarcastic, and in agreement with Jason. Calm down

        • KatieAnnieOakley

          So was I~!!!!!

      • metroid_fetish

        The Palin family is the only good thing about America.

        • FreeBird2

          “The Palin family is the only good thing about America”?

          Boy, are you in for a SHOCK when more and more Minorities (blacks, Hispanics, gays) are elected to Congress. And being a minority, they will usher in Democrats in both Houses.

          No, Palin and her “type” are what’s wrong with America today. Divisive, opinionated, arrogant and self-serving, they don’t care about the plight of others. They care only about themselves and their kind. Disagree with them? Hate has no fury like these type of people. A good example is a story from yesterday where a bell ringer for the Salvation Army was assaulted for choosing to say “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas” to a woman. The woman ended up HITTING THE BELL RINGER!!

          Palin and people like her should be ashamed of themselves. She’s made what “should be” and Happy Time of year….into HATRED and VIOLENCE.

          An old quote fits here:
          “There is nothing more dangerous than the conscience of a bigot.”

          IF Sarah (Box of Rocks) HAD a conscience, she would have made this book a joyous, memorable book…a Top Seller even. Instead, she turned it into a Book that builds on the DIVISION that exists in this country TODAY. PALIN is Race Baiting in this “Christmas” book and I for one am sick and tired of people telling ME what to think, say or do ESP AT CHRISTMAS!!

          Returning to my first statement above…
          WATCH OUT B.I.G.O.T.S
          D.C. will soon be INFESTED with those you HATE.

          • FreeBird2

            Correction:
            “she would have made this book a joyous, memorable book”
            Should have said:

            IF SHE EVEN WROTE IT.

        • Ardiva40

          I feel so sorry for you..really.

    • BuffaloGal

      Snark? If so, arrow “up” . (and one of those slow mo’ fist bumps that the young kids like so much.

    • http://threebrain.blogspot.com Ennealogic

      Seriously? Shouldn’t a review reflect honest opinion backed by researched fact?

      Hopefully your comment was tongue-in-cheek, but if not, you should go to bed for a week and when you get out, start studying history. Geography also too. After several weeks, go ahead and review politics without the Fox News filter. It may feel bad for a bit but believe me, it will be worth it.

    • Ardiva40

      Then the review would not be honest, would it? Again, you are someone who is shoving their beliefs down our throat.

      • john norton

        *****

        • Donalbain

          Needs moar eeguls!

    • john norton

      trolls have none,shame tht is…like BOB… !

      • metroid_fetish

        Why do you hate America, Christmas, and Christianity so much?

  • 043456

    It would be great if Palin could account and give a statement as to the book Boys WIll Be Boys by ShaileyTripp and Vickie Bottoms about Todd Palin and prostitution!!

    • KatieAnnieOakley

      Indeed; if its slander – why hasn’t she and Todd sued the author? Strange…

      • Bianca Bradley

        Would they get any money? Is it worth suing the author?

        • KatieAnnieOakley

          Nope. Unless it comes out someday… then, she’ll be rich!

          If someone claimed your husband forced her and other young women into prostitution – and the accuser can describe his “colorful” anatomy correctly (and, you as his wife know its distinctive) – even if the person had no money, wouldn’t you want to stop the accusations?

          Wouldn’t you sue her to stop her “lies” and to punish her?

          Of course you would. Especially if you were a spiteful, vindictive Palin. It would require certain documents from your household, however… after all, when you sue someone, you also have to come up with evidence if the court orders you to. Perhaps an inspection of hubby’s anatomy would be ordered by the court, to see if the accuser is correct (they did it in the Michael Jackson trial).

          And then there is the matter of Sarah herself getting a deep tissue belly massage – by the accuser – to relieve pain from fat-melting abdominal injections just 2 days before announcing that she was “seven months pregnant” with a fifth child. The court would require medical records from you too. Detailed ones, not some silly half-assed letter like the one you gave to the RNC on Election Eve 2008. Ones that prove you were never pregnant in the first place, that you made it up to hide your daughter’s out-of-wedlock child for your own political gain. Because after all – it would’ve looked pretty damn hypocritical for an abstinence-only advocating mother and Governor to have a daughter get knocked-up out of wedlock – amiright???.

          Why, if that story ever came out, you’d be ruined – because after all, its the entire basis of your public persona: you’re a supposedly righteous, Christian, Right to Life mama grizzly who was so passionate about “her own” pregnancy at 44 that you decided to keep the child.

          No – the Palin’s will never, ever sue her – they can’t stand-up to the Discovery Process.

          • Bianca Bradley

            My husbands anatomy is not all that much different then some of the other guys I’ve been with. Correctly describing it, is more than a bit of a spin.

            Suing some person who wants their 15 minutes of fame, would not generate much for me. No, instead of suing, I’d do the Hoodoo, cow tongue spell on her to stop her from talking, vs using the court system.

            The court is not going to order an inspection of the hubby’s anatomy. There is no documents I’d have to bring up, other than to show that the person is committing libel. Civil lawsuits may be more permissive then criminal, but they aren’t going to say, we want to see your anatomy to see if the person who is talking may have a point. smh.

            An Illustrated Guide to Civil Procedure by Michael P. Allen and Michael Finch would be helpful in figuring out what the discovery process is about, and what the civil courts are going to require. Plus this is going to need to be proved. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Libel+and+Slander

          • KatieAnnieOakley

            I have been a successful plaintiff in a civil case. I *know* what the courts require.

            Its not just the accuser that has to prove things or require documentation; the plaintiff also has to submit to depositions and / or complete interrogatories.

          • Bianca Bradley

            Being a successful plaintiff does not mean you “know” what the courts require. If you read the book I posted, you would know what the plaintiff and the accuser have to do. Plus what is ok for one state in a civil suit may not fly with another.

            A lawyer may say you have to do it, but unless a Judge orders it, you don’t. Lawyers get to question the other side witnesses, HOWEVER, there is leeway in there and it depends on the state and what the state allows. There are federal civil court rules as well.

            So no, you don’t know what the court requires. If you did, you certainly as heck would not say the court would require Todd to show his anatomy. If you did, you would be using libel and slander and showing what the 4 causes someone would have to prove, not use salacious wording.

          • KatieAnnieOakley

            So – why don’t they sue? They love to beat-up people.

          • Bianca Bradley

            Non answer. Prove they love to beat up people.

    • Bianca Bradley

      Is it any of our business? If not, then why should she? Should I require you to give a statement about anything anyone writes about you, that may or may not be true? How about any of your family, any skeletons you’d like to leave be, or should we drag em out and require you to give statements to the press? What point would it prove, other than to give into the nations gossip craving?

    • Fred Raby

      Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

  • Squirrels05

    I like having a holiday, but I always thought it was ridiculous that Christmas is a federal one.
    I endorse a holiday week embracing both December 25 to New Year’s day, with no religious designation — Americans take very little vacation time, compared to the rest of the Western world.

  • VinnieF

    Jason,

    I really love this review. It’s seriously the best review of Palin’s book that I’ve read.

    I read the other articles you wrote about the history of Christmas noting that most of our seasonal traditions are non-Christian, and certainly non-Biblical, in origin. I was hoping to do similar research but just didn’t have the time. You’ve done a thorough job explaining the history. If Christmas really is about celebrating the birth of Christ, it’s odd that such a tradition would arise more the 300 years after he died.

    I have a minor part in our local performance of the Nutcracker and realized today that this is yet another Christmas tradition that started in the 1800′s that has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ or even Santa Claus for that matter.

  • FreeBird2

    Wow…what has happened to Sarah Palin over the past year?

    http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/745/8653/original.jpg

    She’s either bulimic or on drugs. I’ve never seen a woman HER age lose so much weight ever. When women get older, they gain weight …. not lose it. And why does she always pose like a Rock Star…or Teenager? She’s 45/6 years old for gods sake!!

    • Ardiva40

      She wanted to look younger.

    • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

      Botox.

  • minus47

    Thanks Jason for so eloquently saying what so many of us, from so many spiritual backgrounds wish to say.

    • JasonMankey

      Thanks for the kind comments. I have to admit, when this went up I was terrified I was going to get nothing but negative reactions, I’m really pleased to see that’s not the case.

      • KatieAnnieOakley

        You presented your review – your opinion of the book – in a fair manner. You gave praise when due, and cited what you found to be lacking or ill-informed. You called out fabrication. It is what it is.

  • Ardiva40

    Jason, thank you ever so for writing this review. I’m from Alaska, so I know that most Alaskans and the greater part of the world do not like Palin. They are onto her like many of us are. A simple dyed-in-the-wool grifter.

  • Exodus2011

    This AWESOME post was composed by disqus ID = royroyo

    The last 45 of my 66 years I’ve spent in a commercial fishing town in Alaska. I understand Alaska politics but never understood national politics well until this last year. Here’s the breaking point: Neither side of the Palin controversy gets it…It’s not about persona, style, rhetoric, it’s about doing things. Even Palin supporters never mention the things that I’m about to mention here.

    1- Democrats forget when Palin was the Darling of the Democrats, because as soon as Palin took the Governor’s office away from a fellow Republican and tough SOB, Frank Murkowski, she tore into the Republican’s “Corrupt Bastards Club” (CBC) and sent them packing. Many of them are now residing in State housing and wearing orange jump suits. The Democrats reacted by skipping around the yard, throwing confetti and singing “la la la la” (well, you know how they are). Name another governor in this country that has ever done anything similar. But while you’re thinking, I’ll continue.

    2- Now with the CBC gone, there were fewer Alaskan politicians to protect the huge, giant oil companies here. So, she constructed and enacted a new system of splitting the oil profits called “ACES”. Exxon (the biggest corporation in the world) protested and Sarah told them “don’t let the door hit you in the stern on your way out.” They stayed, and Alaska residents went from being merely wealthy to being filthy rich. Of course the other huge international oil companies meekly fell in line. Again, give me the name of any other governor in the country that has done anything similar.

    3- The other thing she did when she walked into the governor’s office is she got the list of State requests for federal funding for projects, known as “pork”. She went through the list, took 85% of them and placed them in the “when-hell-freezes-over” stack. She let locals know that if we need something built, we’ll pay for it ourselves. Maybe she figured she could use the money she got from selling the previous governor’s jet because it was extravagant. Maybe she could use the money she saved by dismissing the governor’s cook (remarking that she could cook for her own family), giving back the State vehicle issued to her, maintaining that she already had a car, and dismissing her State provided security force (never mentioning—I imagine—that she’s packing heat herself). I’m still waiting to hear the names of those other governors.

    4- Now, even with her much-ridiculed “gosh and golly” mannerism, she also managed to put together a totally new approach to getting a natural gas pipeline built which will be the biggest private construction project in the history of North America. No one else could do it although they tried. If that doesn’t impress you, then you’re trying too hard to be unimpressed while watching her do things like this while baking up a batch of brownies with her other hand.

    5- For 30 years, Exxon held a lease to do exploratory drilling at a place called Point Thompson. They made excuses the entire time why they couldn’t start drilling. In truth they were holding it like an investment. No governor for 30 years could make them get started. This summer, she told them she was revoking their lease and kicking them out. They protested and threatened court action. She shrugged and reminded them that she knew the way to the court house. Alaska won again.

    6- President Obama wants the nation to be on 25% renewable resources for electricity by 2025. Sarah went to the legislature and submitted her plan for Alaska to be at 50% renewables by 2025. We are already at 25%. I can give you more specifics about things done, as opposed to style and persona . Everybody wants to be cool, sound cool, look cool. But that’s just a cover-up. I’m still waiting to hear from liberals the names of other governors who can match what mine has done in two and a half years. I won’t be holding my breath.

    By the way, she was content to to return to AK after the national election and go to work, but the haters wouldn’t let her. Now these adolescent screechers are obviously not scuba divers. And no one ever told them what happens when you continually jab and pester a barracuda. Without warning, it will spin around and tear your face off. Shoulda known better.

    *******************************************************************************************

    Here is Gov Palin with the Operation Christmas Child Volunteers in NC recently.

    • KatieAnnieOakley

      Ah… the deep down CRAZY has arrived! So possessed with, so enamored by Palin that the main Palin worshiping blog Conservatives4Palin has BANNED HER! Now that, my friends, is a WHOLE LOTTA hmmmmm….

      BTW – Exodus lives in NEW ZEALAND – not in Alaska. She’s not lived in Alaska for years. As you can see, most of her comments are / will be cut-and-paste from a script. It always reads the same – glance through her comments. Ah, I see that she’s updated her comment – its written by someone else. How convenient. And how cut-and-paste.

      • Exodus2011

        Hi Katie!

        (people can read my disqus profile if interested **__**)

        DEO GRATIAS for the rugged Palin family who do not cower when the Leftist Bullies unleash. There are so many things about Gov Sarah Palin that trigger their irrational hatred … in fact, you would have to say that EVERYTHING about her drives them nearly crazy with anger, hatred ……. and FEAR

        It is a little known fact but Gov Palin’s appearance on the National Stage on Sep 3rd 2008, (she and her family, including her younger son Trig introduced to > 40M Americans) had a profound impact on the key cultural issue of abortion.

        If you track the bimonthly Gallup Poll numbers for pro-life/pro-choice through 2008, and look what happened at the sep/oct mark, then the trend since, you will see that the pro-life numbers exceeded pro-choice in America for the FIRST time, I think since Gallup has begun polling the issue.

        IMV, THIS statistic is at the root of the Leftists’ FEAR of Gov Sarah Palin and is why they respond with PDS whenever she becomes prominent in the Media. If the Palin family were to live at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, would American Culture continue to move in the current direction of degradation, or is there a chance there would be a cultural swing toward more traditional American values?

        the change, swing from pro-choice to pro-life was huge and marked, right at the sep/oct data point, 2008

        it is very hard to get that evidence back into circulation too …. I have been searching

        the website page I saved back at the end of 2008, showing the bimonthly breakdown of the data, was removed – “is no longer available” (I wonder why? … not .. .)

        the Ruling Class must be very fearful of this circulating, but you can see the crossover (late 2008) on this graphic where the annual numbers have been tracked

        • john norton

          …!!-)

    • Racena

      $1,200,000.00 – amount of debt of Wasilla had when Palin began as mayor.

      $24, 800,000.00 – amount of debt of Wasilla had when Palin left as mayor.

      http://justsaynotobs.com/Palin_by_the_Numbers.html – w/links

      • Exodus2011

        America needs this Corruptocrat FIGHTER, Gov Sarah Palin, in the Oval Office – look at her record in AK ! She dismantled the *Corrupt B*stards Club* up there ….

        now, does America have a Corrupt B*stards’ Club in DC, operating on STEROIDS???

        Send her to DC and watch the RATS squeal as they try to RUN and HIDE!

        Also, I think it would be best if this NOT4SALE Proven Reformer is directing things from the WH as the IMPLOSION hits America in the future (we are ticking over toward 120% of GDP in debt = Greece territory)

        she is a born Exec Officer/Manager with > 20 years of experience, her most VITAL trait being, she is NOT4SALE

        that quality ALONE is the single most important one if the US Govt is to be successfully reformed and Constitutional America rescued

        imagine what a POTUS could do, if they were beholden to NOBODY, no Lobbyists, no special interest groups, no big donors … a POTUS with a SINGLE ENTRY on her IOU list = “The American People”!

        at the same time she is the most experienced Leader wrt Energy Issues and will also manage the EXPLOSION of American energy development

        both the IMPLOSION/Reform of Govt and the EXPLOSION of American energy development must kick in at exactly the same time, if Constitutional America is
        to survive and thrive again

        GET HER INTO THE OVAL OFFICE, AMERICA

        • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

          More spam. Not an original post

          • john norton

            Speak 4 yoreself,”Moonbat”… !!!

          • Exodus2011

            hey booboo!

            this pic will gladden your heart and the hearts of most loving Americans!

            Does Gov Sarah Palin love the people of America?

            EDIT – I forgot the pic, will post as a reply to this comment … psb **__**

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            She don’t love you. You’re not an American.
            It 7:24 AM, Monday in NZ. I starting to think that this NZ thing is a lie.

          • Exodus2011

            here is Gov Palin, In Monroe, LA recently …. look at the love radiating in this picture! **__**

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            Don’t you wish you were here?
            Cut and paste…

          • Exodus2011

            fear not booboo …. you forget the principle of Romans 8 v 28 (which is ironic really because *you* have been involved with it working out in my life! .. **__** DEO GRATIAS for booboo!)

            fear not … I will be there … when the time is right

            btw, here is another pic of Gov Palin supporting the mission of Samaritan’s Purse in Haiti, after the EQ late in 2010

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™
      • colint

        This was mostly for financing the Recreation Centre. Due to Palin’s brilliant leadership, business in the town boomed and the loan was PAID OFF three years early. She represents COMPETENCE. Obama and you represent INCOMPETENCE and IGNORANCE.

        • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

          Are you an American?

          • john norton

            Are u,…? or a trogladite from Zog…?/

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            Is that “zog” as in Zionist Occupying Government, John?

        • john norton

          …!!!-)

        • exodus2012

          ^5!

          good job colint **__**

      • john norton

        nothing ventured,nothing gained Drone,,,Kew… !

    • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

      You’re not an American citizen.
      You’ll never will be an American.
      Is New Zealand politics that boring?

      • john norton

        go back under the bridge u troll… !

        • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

          You’re trolling me. I never post to you.

      • Exodus2011

        hey booboo! (where ya been, I’ve missed ya **__**)

        people can read my disqus profile if they are interested …

        btw

        here is a pic of Gov Sarah Palin with the Operation Christmas Child Volunteers in NC recently – she is so genuine and connects with WE The People so easily … that’s because she *is* one of WE The People, herself! **__**

        • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

          More spam. You’ll be gone soon enough. I smell another banning.

          • exodus2012

            oh?

            **__**

  • Linda1961

    Jason, great review, thanks for posting. As a Christian, I resent Sarah Palin and others presuming to speak for me. I don’t care what greeting others use, as long as they are pleasant. The term “Happy Holidays” has been around a long time, but it’s only in the past few years that some have decided that it offends them. Ironic that they whine about political correctness, but want everyone to use their preferred term.

  • Exodus2011

    Here’s a pic of Gov Palin entering the library of the Rev Billy Graham in NC, with his son, the Rev Franklin Graham recently … she was invited there to greet Americans and sign her books that many , many people were thrilled to buy. (The other pic shows the Americans waiting in line to meet Gov Palin, outside the library)

    Btw, Rev Billy Graham (now 95 years old) is in failing health, and the family have asked for prayer

    • john norton

      **__** … !!!-)

      • Exodus2011

        ^5!

        **__**

        • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

          Still no work. eh?
          It is Monday morning where you are at.
          7:16 AM and yet you are posting here in America.

          • john norton

            Bean town Cylon,…but U knew tht…:)

          • Exodus2011

            and?

            are you one of those Americans who wants to restrict the liberty of others, who wants to ‘control’ other people’s lives?

            that’s quite repugnant you know booboo

            btw – here’s another pic of Gov Palin during her book tour (speaking to, and encouraging the Operation Christmas Child Volunteers in NC **__**)

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            And what? It pretty simple. GET A JOB!

          • Bianca Bradley

            0.0

            I’m sorry, I thought you were not a very Conservative Republican?

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            I am not even a Republican

          • Bianca Bradley

            Then you may not want to use one of their lines.

          • Exodus2011

            you sound angry booboo … watch that blood pressure now, and the stomach ulcers also! **__**

            btw – what about this beautiful pic of Madame Steel Spine! (taken in NYC on Veteran’s Day)

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            Wrong again, bumpkin.

          • Exodus2011

            ?

            here is a great picture of Gov Palin, this time with the Duck Dynasty family – it is great that their show that promotes such sound and Biblical family values is so popular isn’t it booboo?

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            Duck Dynasty? Interesting. How would you know about this?

            Sorry toots, it’s popularity is REGIONAL. The show tanks in the West and East. If you lived here, you would know that.

          • Exodus2011

            it’s the Heartland that matters booboo

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            Like in 2012? Ha ha ha ha! You’re a joke and you know NOTHING of America.

          • exodus2012

            ???

            As soon as I saw the GOP field I knew that the LIAR would most likely be re-elected

            How does the R/R ticket, which is headed by Romneycare (the father of Obamacare) … Romneycare, who told America during Campaign 2012 that he still thought Romneycare was a ‘good idea’ … Romneycare, whose Adviser spoke of Campaign promises being erased by Etch-A-Sketch …

            how does this Romneycare Candidate who **says** he will repeal and replace the hated Obamacare, bring Conservatives to the Polls in big enough numbers to defeat the 3 opponents: DEM ticket, DEM Media, and DEM Fraud?

            Does anybody here think that Romneycare was a sufficiently CREDIBLE Nominee to defeat even a MARXIST?

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            Someone really needs to remind the posters on the Sarah Palin announced she won’t run for President thread about this thread.

    • imagineJL

      It reminds me of … Las Vegas

    • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

      WOW!
      When does palin do a book signing in Arizona or Alaska?

      • Exodus2011

        when the time is right booboo… fear not

        and that time is fast approaching I think

        BRING ON the TRUTH TELLER and SET America FREE!

        • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

          Only Real American’s™ opinions count.

          You’ll never be an American

          • john norton

            Drip Dry …:(

          • Exodus2011

            oh?

            what makes you think that booboo? (I *am* married to an American citizen, remember)

            btw..here is another pic taken of Gov Palin during her current book tour … is she looking radiant, or what!? **__**

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            Sure you are. Nobody believes you. You are not an American and you have no husband.

          • exodus2012

            ???

            you think that declaring a lie will make it the truth booboo?

            is it some kind of witchcraft, where you repeat a cantation/spell …something like that?

            (what religion do you espouse again?)

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            Ben Garziaria

        • john norton

          …!!!-)

    • VinnieF

      And that relates to this article how?

  • imagineJL

    Here is a comment posted a few minutes ago on Ms Palin’s fan club website ( C4P ) so be ready for their attacks Mr. Mankey :

    “A negative review of Sarah’s book — but some of you who do such great work battling on blogs like Breitbart might enjoy entering the fray in the comments section:

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/p…”

    Very sad because your review is very good and factual but I think this is the problem for them – they do not like facts.

    • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

      So true.

      • KatieAnnieOakley

        I got here a few minutes ago – and 26 comments came in, all from Palinbots. The invasion has begun. Have fun, I’m getting too old for this. Christmas is nearly here, and I need to be doing my elfing.

        • john norton

          1+1 does not = 3 Moonbat… !!!

        • VinnieF

          And not a one that addresses any of the points made by the review of Sarah’s book.

          • Bianca Bradley

            With all due respect, not a one of the posts prior to the New Zealand person(I forgot the moniker) when debating me, was addressing much either. No one is really all that innocent in this thread.

          • VinnieF

            The author of the blog post made a very intelligent refutation of Sarah’s central argument in her book. If the army of Palinbots is going to come here, they should focus on refudiating the article. NOT A ONE of them has even attempted this.

            EDIT: BTW, when Exodus is one of the key people arguing for your side, you are really in deep trouble if you’re hoping your side sounds intelligent.

          • Bianca Bradley

            Don’t know Exodus, shrugs, don’t know any of the ones that came here.

            My point is, if you are going to point fingers at Exodus to stay on topic, you might want to do so to KatieAnnieOakley and many others, prior to Exodus coming here.

            Oy though, Jason is probably going to have some fun deleting crap though.

        • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

          So true. Football has started and I am also out of here.

          • KatieAnnieOakley

            The coordination of their attacks is so very obvious…

  • DocBarry1

    wow, I stand with the Governor and believe that Jason went into this assignment with a preordained viewpoint – I do not agree with much in this review

    Jason – how about doing a review of obama’s books where he lied throughout and even now says he didn’t tell the truth e.g. his girlfriend which he now says is a combinations of different girls

    • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

      Nobody cares. Please go back to your pond. AKA C4Pee.

      • john norton

        hey its the plastic doll YUCK…file 13,U betcha…:)

    • john norton

      …!!!-)

    • VinnieF

      Typical Palinbot tactic – Try to turn everything into an attack on Obama. Attacking Obama is all you and Sarah can do. Debating the points in the article we’re commenting on is well beyond your capabilities.

  • VinnieF

    So someone put out a call on C4P to come over here and defend Sarah against this negative review of her book. Of course, they can’t reply to the intelligent refutation of Palin’s claim that Christmas was all about Christ when it came into popularity in the US during the late 19th century.

    Look at the popular tales that made Christmas a popular holiday; A Christmas Carol, Twas the Night Before Christmas, The Nutcracker. NOT A ONE of these even mentions Jesus. The modern classics like Miracle on 34th St. and It’s a Wonderful Life also make no mention of Jesus. Why do almost all of the popular tales of Christmas have nothing to do with Christ?

    While I’m at it, why is that Christians didn’t celebrate the birth of Christ until the late 300′s? Why isn’t there any mention of Jesus’ birthday in the Bible or the early Christian writings for the few hundred years after his death? Is it coincidence that the Romans celebrated the birthday of the Sun God Sol Invictus on December 25 in the mid-300′s and then, after the Romans converted to Christianity, they then celebrated Christ’s birthday on the 25th? Most scholars don’t think so and believe that the Romans needed their own celebration to match other similar Pagan celebrations.

    If Christmas is such a ‘Christian’ holiday, why are so many of the things associated with it clearly of Pagan origin including Holly, gift giving, lights, and even Santa Claus himself. How could such non-Christian traditions be featured so heavily in the holiday if it’s really all about the birth of Jesus?

    Why were many Christians, including the Puritans of Colonial America, so opposed to Christmas celebrations that they actually had them banned?

    • john norton

      Pseudo Christians,like Pseudo consevatives…:(

      • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

        You mean like palin?

        • john norton

          u dont fall under any character,Meet the Billy Goat gruff… !!!

    • Fred Raby

      Google search Christmas, open Wikipedia and read. It mentions nothing about Hollywood.

      • VinnieF

        Are you denying that popular culture is not a good indication of what a holiday means to people? BTW, A Christmas Carol and many other widely adopted Christmas traditions arose in the 19th century, long before Hollywood came to be.

        • KatieAnnieOakley

          Look how very hard Palin keeps trying to break into Hollywood! She wants to be one of those “delicate, tiny, very talented starlets” – except she hasn’t got any talent – just BRASS and a year-old boob job!

    • KatieAnnieOakley

      Yup. They’re posting like crazy, driving all the negative comments down-thread, so only the glowing comments from themselves will be at the top.

  • Exodus2011

    Here is a picture of Gov Palin and her husband taken with the Rev Billy Graham at his 95th birthday last month, in his home in NC.

    Sadly, this Prayer Warrior, this Warrior for G-D is in failing health, and the family have asked for prayer. I hope he will survive to see his beloved America being set free …. the America he has never stopped praying for …

    • john norton

      **__**

    • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

      I see nothing.

      • Exodus2011

        (you are like Srg Shultz, I see nothing, I know nothing? **__**)

        btw booboo

        Madame Steel Spine has the Long-standing consistent HISTORY and RECORD which matches her RHETORIC

        this UNIQUE fact indicates she is

        #TheRealDeal

        and explains her huge, growing and vociferous following … (for example, ME)

        when you come across a Leader such as this woman, Gov Sarah Palin, you REALISE for the FIRST TIME, that you can actually SHELVE YOUR CYNICISM!

        I could hardly believe it when I investigated her history and accomplishments … I have had ZERO interest in politics … up until Aug 29, 2008

        that is not the case now – I am ENERGISED … basically 100% of my discretionary time is devoted to getting the truth about her out to the masses

        #BeClingers —————> #AmericaRISING

        (#WAR ——————–> #CrushROVE, in the 2014 Primary cycle, Patriots! **__**)

        • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

          Attention.
          This is SPAM

          • Exodus2011

            a post whose content annoys you is ‘spam’ booboo?

            **__**

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            annoys?
            Wrong again. You assume much but say nothing. You’re a sad person with an unhealthy obsession with an entertainer that will NEVER run for higher office.

          • exodus2012

            how many times must you be told that ‘running’ will not be necessary booboo

            ‘standing’ for the high office will be sufficient

            **__**

    • VinnieF

      I know it’s really hard for you Exodus, but try to stick to the point. This was a very intelligent review of Sarah’s book. Why don’t you actually read it and try to refute some of the points that he makes instead of bringing up something entirely irrelevant (and uninteresting for that matter).

      • Exodus2011

        hey vinnie

        I believe I will post what I choose, if that’s ok wif you? (and if it isn’t, I hope it doesn’t distress you too much **__**)

        here is another book Tour pic to gladden your heart vin – I think this one was taken in Wisconsin

        • VinnieF

          That’s ok. As long as you agree that you are not at all refuting the points made in this negative review of Sarah’s book. I would be interested in debating you if you wanted to discuss that.

          I really don’t care to see pictures of Sarah’s book tour even if you could figure out how to post a photo.

          • john norton

            *****

          • john norton

            **__** … !!!-)

          • VinnieF

            Do you speak English?

          • john norton

            do You… !!!…?

          • Exodus2011

            hey vin

            REJOICE at the JOY and HOPE of the Season!

            **__**

            #Christmas ~> inspiring ~> must C~> USAF Band celebrate The Savior w/ a flash mob at the National Air & Space Museum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyb7i8EpTkw

  • john norton

    Many are Picked,but few are chosen… !!!-)

    • john norton

      **__** … !!!-)

  • Exodus2011

    Madame Steel Spine has yet again hit on the best way to discuss ‘religion’ in a non-theocratic Constitutional Republic, albeit one which EXPLICITLY protects the freedom of religion rights, including the expression of these, of all American Citizens (including the secular humanism religion=atheism, wicca, cults, etc)

    the Bible itself points the way in this, …… read chapter 1 of Paul The Apostle’s Letter to the Romans, v 19-20

    19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.

    20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

    Notice Gov Palin always discusses religion when addressing the wider American audience, from this foundational principle, as did the Founders. She refers to G-D as Our/The Creator , whereas The Founders mostly used the title ‘Divine Providence’

    This new book ‘Good Tidings and Great Joy, Protecting the heart of Christmas’ is multifaceted and includes a call to action by Believing Americans when their 1st Amendment Rights are threatened with lawsuits. ……. she was interviewed by Jay Sekulow of ACLJ in this regard yesterday.

    I really think the days of angry athiests armed with attorneys intimidating American Believers, are coming to an end … which reminds me:

    May America receive GOOD TIDINGS and experience GREAT JOY, as they are delivered from their lawless corrupt LYING PHARAOH …. …………………………………… soon now? **__**

    DEO VOLENTE

    • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

      More Spam.

      • Exodus2011

        is ‘spam’ defined as a post whose content you don’t like, booboo?

        btw – here is another pic of Gov Palin supporting the mission of Samaritan’s Purse in Haiti

        • john norton

          **__** … !!!-)

          • VinnieF

            That’s the most intelligent thing you’ve said all day!

    • VinnieF

      Yet she opposed the free expression of religion by Muslims trying to create a mosque on public property in New York. The idea that she respects the right of others to express their religious belief is complete crap.

    • VinnieF

      Since we’re quoting the Bible, which you view as the inerrant word of God, let’s look at one of my favorite passage from Exodus nonetheless:

      “If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)”

      • VinnieF

        And of course, the rules of sexual slavery are also discussed as the passage continues:

        “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)”

    • john norton

      …!!!-)

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Good luck, Jason – your thread is beginning to explode with Palinbot missives.

    • Exodus2011

      I think Jason will appreciate the visits to his article don’t you Katie?

      remember more visits helps with paying the bills via the sponsor spots

      **__**

      • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

        Not from troglodytes such as you.
        You’re not an American.

        • john norton

          U phib,…just jump off the Boat…?

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            Sure. Hawaii is sure is nice this time of year.
            Try it, pond scum.

          • john norton

            thing about cyber trolling is u can go anywhere ,almost…:(

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            Almost.
            I can post from Alaska where I can see my house and Russia.

          • john norton

            Sorry but 1+1 does not = 3…:(

        • Exodus2011

          hmmm … I am ‘not an American’ and so I am a ‘troglodyte’?

          LOL

          I think that is the first time you have called me such a name booboo … **__**

          you sound quite harried

          here is another picture of Gov Palin, to gladden your heart – taken while signing her Christmas books in the Rev Billy Graham Library recently **__**

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            Sound? Sorry. SOUNDS do not travel over the internets. I am having a cup of coffee and I am very happy. Again, your clairvoyant powers have failed.
            You have failed. You have been banned from the C4P. You’re the one that sounds “harried”

          • Exodus2011

            oh …. **__**

            here is another pic to gladden your heart booboo … Gov Palin has a great love for America’s FINEST, those who are risking their lives for the Freedom of their fellow Americans now, and also the Veterans who have served sacrificially in the past

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            But she has no love for you. You’re not an American.

          • Exodus2011

            ?

            Gov Palin has christian love for everyone, as I do booboo … do you not read the Scripture?

            btw, here’s another picture of Gov Palin during her trip to Haiti in support of Samaritan’s Purse

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            You don’t read. You’re a fake.

          • Exodus2011

            ?

            you do post some odd content at times booboo … **__**

            REJOICE, the TRUTH TELLER is coming to help SET America FREE

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            Ha ha ha ha ah ah ah aha ha ha ha ha!

          • john norton

            gettum Eliot… !

      • J. Edward Tremlett

        I’m sure he could do without the pro-Palin spam that doesn’t even address his well-considered — and gracious — criticism of her book.

        You’re here to be a cheerleader because your beloved seems to be under attack, yet again. Step up or step off.

        • Exodus2011

          oh my

          are you the blog policeman J?

          **__**

          here, let your heart be GLADDENED by the love evident in this picture!

          @SarahPalinUSA in Monroe LA during #GoodTidingsAndGreatJoy Book Tour – does this Leader love the People of America? pic.twitter.com/FL4eOIhyt3

          • john norton

            *****

          • Exodus2011

            **__**

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            She’s probably wondering which end to put the cornbread stuffing into.

          • exodus2012

            ?

            ‘out of the heart, the mouth speaketh’ …. J

            you have a heart problem (so have I, but I have taken the cure … has to be done daily …)

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            I didn’t know zombies could regrow their brains.

          • exodus2012

            oh?

            btw J

            just studying Gov Sarah Palin’s history reveals that she is truly one-of -a-kind

            I mean – the mere fact that the Palin Admin emails from her Governorship in AK are available IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN and have received full and intensive SCRUTINY is UNPRECEDENTED

            which other Leader could withstand such a BLOWTORCH?

            HA! … the answer is NOBODY

            (Romney *destroyed* the harddrives from his tenure as Governor in MA remember … as did Huckabee)

            Hey – won’t it be GREAT if after this terrible oppressive period in America’s history, We The People DEMAND that any future Candidate for POTUS not only make available ALL their personal documents for scrutiny but ALSO THEIR ADMINISTRATION EMAILS!

            LOL x 1000!

            now, won’t that be **upsetting**? **__**

            After the terrible corruption of this Obama Regime is fully exposed Americans will be crying out for TRANSPARENCY in Governance …. the only thing that will be able to restore the Public Trust

            #BeClingers ————–> #AmericaRISING

          • Exodus2011

            and you understand the meaning of the terms ‘well-considered’ and ‘gracious’ as you used in a previous post?

            I don’t think so

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            Are you gracious or well-considered to people who crap on your dinner table instead of in your toilet?

            If not, then explain why we should be gracious to you for thread-crapping.

          • Exodus2011

            why do you call it that?

            do you have something against Gov Sarah Palin? If so, what is it?

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            To quote ye olde Urban Dictionary:

            Thread crapping occurs when a person comes into a thread and posts
            something contrary to the spirit/intent of the thread, often derailing
            the discussion or turning it into an argument.

            and

            Posting in a large amount of threads in a relatively short period of
            time, often the post adds no important contribution to the thread.
            Related to spamming.

            That’s what you’re doing. The Mod (the author) told you to stop it, and hopefully you have. But that doesn’t erase the fact that you came here to do it.

            Away, away.

          • Exodus2011

            hmmm …. well I suppose we will all be treated equally according to the blog rules

            what say you, J?

  • john norton

    No Audio necessary…:)

    • VinnieF

      I’m still waiting for a complete sentence from you.

      • john norton

        Unity is the Key to Victory,…hows tht …?/

    • KatieAnnieOakley

      Thanks. SAVED – I’m quite sure it will come in very handy…

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    As we saw in the Palin emails, there was collusion between Palin as Governor, her staff and the Palinbot blog Conservatives4Palin, coordinating attacks on anyone criticizing her. This is one of those times. Don’t think for one moment that Palin isn’t in on the attack of this blog today. If Troopergate taught the world anything, its that Palin loves to punish those that she believes have wronged her or her family.

    Here, claims in a FAX from Palin are appearing as if by magic in an online blog, accusing the man of all sorts of things – none of which he says he did. He thinks the blog is “made up” – nope. Its Palin’s third-party henchmen. People are calling his and his wife’s employer, calling their house, bothering his kids at school, their teachers… all at the behest of Palin. Watch out Jason. This is a coordinated attack – the sudden influx of all the negative comments having nothing to say about your book review itself, but instead trolling the post with all manner of tripe and diatribe.

    • john norton

      U dont know of what u speak, of…typical …/

      • VinnieF

        It is true that someone posted this link on C4P and all of a sudden you guys showed up. Before that, there were no pro-Palin people here. One could surmise that the purpose of C4P is to generate pro-Palin comments on a site where she is getting beat up.

        • john norton

          VERITAS ,…somethin u and yore Goom Badds have no idea of…!

        • exodus2012

          have you enjoyed the JOUST vincenzo?

          you are not against both sides of the story being presented are ya?

          **__**

    • MJUdall

      Troopergate? What was that again? Yes, if someone tasered my nephew and threatened my father’s life and beat on my sister, they wouldn’t just get harassed, they’d get their legs broken.

      Kudos to Mrs. Palin for dealing with that scumbag the way that she did. She did the right thing.

      FAX? That’s absurd. First line of your second paragraph– you sound deranged. You sound like the typical Obamabot mental patient.

      • KatieAnnieOakley

        And yet, I can read your timeline and see you comment A LOT at Conservatives4Palin. I rest my case.

        BTW? Wooten is still an Alaska State Trooper – and Palin quit as the Governor. She just couldn’t take the heat. She saw a way to make lots and lots of $$$$$$$$$$, and so she abandoned ship.

        She’ll never, ever run for public office again. She’s too afraid to run.

        • Exodus2011

          hey katie!

          Sarah Palin resigned to free her Administration from the paralysis caused by having to defend against a never-ending flood of fear-instigated bogus ethics complaints, and to help America out of a very bad situation

          she completed 3 full legislative sessions before resigning – and all her promises to the Alaskan people fulfilled in that time … you could even think of it as an athlete completing a middle distance race 1 lap ahead of all the other runners! .. , or like a person completing a 3 hour examination in only 2 hours! ….. so efficient and productive was her time as Governor

          in fact what Gov Sarah Palin produced for her Alaskan constituents in 3 full legislative sessions, most Governors would not be able to deliver in two full terms!

          She is a marvel …one of a kind indeed … a Gift to America by Divine Providence, in her hour of extreme need …

          **__**

          DEO GRATIAS

          here she is with that other Leader who put the welfare and interests of fellow Americans before his own career … just like she did

          • KatieAnnieOakley

            WOW, you typed all that so quick? SCRIPTED SPAM.

          • john norton

            U know better…!

          • Exodus2011

            a prepared message katie … you don’t like it’s content?

            you mentioned about Gov Palin leaving the Governor’s office, and I explained to Readers the circumstances

            and it appears to have riled you **__**

            Doesn’t El Rushbo look amazed and delighted in this pic? **__** … I think Gov Palin may have told him some Good Tidings when she saw him recently, and it caused him to experience GREAT JOY as a result **__**

          • VinnieF

            Exodus must be lonely after all of her C4P friends abandoned her. Sorry, I’m done for the day. I’ve had my fun and I’ve got far more important things to get done today.

          • exodus2012

            fear not vinnie – I enjoy the JOUST

            come back soon

            **__**

        • john norton

          stop with the Lies drone… !

        • MJUdall

          Yeah I comment at C4P as well as other sites on a variety of issues.

          Where do you frequent online? Which sites?

          OH THAT”S RIGHT! YOU’RE COMMENT PROFILE IS PRIVATE.

          How convenient.
          Quit comments still haven’t stuck. It’s sad and pathetic really how you skirt around the reasons why she resigned.

          Btw doesn’t warrant a question mark at the end of it. It should be more matter of fact like BTW!
          Well, if he’s still a state trooper that shows you how corrupt things are in that state.

          I know Obamabots like to look the other way at corruption. There seems to be a lot of that going on from the left in America today.

          I’m confused, do you condone a man who swore an oath to protect and serve who then runs around threatening people and abusing children?

          Do you also condone a man who is the head of public safety not firing an officer who engages in such behavior.
          Oh that’s right, you do condone it because Sarah Palin was involved.

          Keep telling yourself that sister. But the fact is you don’t know. You’re just a moron with no life who hates her guts. You’re a nobody.

          • VinnieF

            Palin quit. That’s a fact you all can’t avoid. It made her very unpopular in Alaska and almost guaranteed that she’ll never hold any elected office again.

            If the trooper did do the things you say, shouldn’t Palin have gone through official channels to get him fired and punished for his behavior? It sounds like you’re suggesting that vigilante justice is called for in some situations. Surely you’re not advocating one violates the legal processes set forth in the US Constitution.

          • MJUdall

            zzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz

            Funny how you’re asking me to accept “facts” yet you do not accept the “facts” surrounding her resignation.

            She did. She went to Monegan and asked for him to be fired. She used her powers correctly.

            Vigilante justice? That’s actually what Obama is doing now with the IRS & NSA.

          • VinnieF

            What’s the difference between resigning and quitting? If there were people trying to push her out, you have to admit that Palin did NOT choose to stay and fight. She quit. I know if I were being forced out of office I would’ve stayed and fought to keep my office.

            You also can’t deny that Palin quickly went out and made millions of dollars after resigning. Since then, she has defined herself as a media star, not someone interested in doing real political work. It has been over five years since she’s had any real political responsibilities!

            From the Branchflower report.

            Governor Sarah Palin abused her power as Governor in that her conduct violated AS 39.52.110(a) of the Ethics Act, which provides “The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.”

          • exodus2012

            you shouldn’t bear false witness like that vinnie … really, it’s an absolute no-no … outright lies, smears or distorting the truth – it is all the same to Him y’know

          • MJUdall

            I can cut and paste too Vincenzo:
            By
            Brad Haynes
            Wall Street Journal
            Updated Nov. 4, 2008 12:01 a.m. ET

            A new report has cleared Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin of ethics violations in the firing of her public safety commissioner.

            The
            report by an independent counsel for the Alaska Personnel Board
            exonerated the Republican nominee for vice president, less than 12 hours
            before the first polls open on Election Day.

            The
            conclusion contradicts a separate investigation commissioned by the
            state legislature, which concluded last month that the governor had
            abused her office when she let her husband and staff pressure the public
            safety commissioner to fire a state trooper after the trooper’s messy
            divorce from Gov. Palin’s sister. The governor later fired the
            commissioner. Gov. Palin said she did so for reasons unrelated to the
            trooper. Both reports found she was within her rights to fire the
            commissioner.

            The latest investigation
            found no “probable cause” to believe the governor violated the Alaska
            Executive Ethics Act in connection with the trooper or the
            commissioner’s employment. The report by the independent counsel,
            sanctioned by the governor-appointed personnel board, found that the
            earlier legislative investigation had based its conclusions on the wrong
            statute and misconstrued the evidence against the governor.

            The
            independent counsel who conducted the investigation, Anchorage lawyer
            Timothy Petumenos, also found no basis for a hearing to “address
            reputational harm,” as the former public safety commissioner requested.

            Gov.
            Palin’s attorney said in a written statement that she was grateful that
            the new report “provided a fair and impartial review of this matter.”

            The
            investigation was hindered, Mr. Petumenos said, because the governor
            and her staff members conducted state business in private emails that
            couldn’t be recovered. The governor’s office is reviewing policies
            related to the use of personal email accounts.

            Mr.
            Petumenos’s report had a sharply different tone from one released Oct.
            10 by Stephen Branchflower, the investigator hired by the state
            legislature. His report said Gov. Palin had abused her authority and
            broke state ethics law by trying to remove her former brother-in-law
            from his job as a state trooper.

            Mr.
            Branchflower said Gov. Palin violated Alaska’s Ethics Act. The statute
            is meant to “discourage executive-branch employees from acting under
            personal interests in the performance of their public responsibilities,”
            he said. The McCain campaign criticized that report as a “partisan-led
            inquiry” that “overreached, making a tortured argument to find fault
            without basis in law or fact.”

          • MJUdall

            Right, your deliberate use of the word “quit” is meant to have negative connotations.
            However, if Obama were to quit tomorrow would you use the word resign or would you use the word quit.
            Be honest. That is, if you can.
            You choose to make it sound as if there were no forces out to bankrupt not only her, but her entire family, as well as force her out of a position.
            Instead you make it sound trivial as if she was working as a Barista at Starbucks and got frustrated and walked out because someone didn’t like the latte she brewed for them.
            What is “real political work” exactly?
            Would that be ramming a 1,000 page health law with no bi partisan support and to have no interest what so ever as to why the implementation is such a disaster?
            Is “real political work” taking selfie photos at a funeral?

            No, that’s the big mistake you ill informed make regarding the resignation. She did not have a book deal yet. In fact, her resignation could have seriously broke the deal. When she was being courted by publishing companies and there were some interest in printing her memoirs, her communications advisers felt that any deal that they might have would all fall apart due to the resignation. Palin took the risk and did it anyway. However, Harper Collins decided they’d move ahead with her.

            Vinny…Vinny…Vinny nice cut and paste job.
            You know what the funny thing is about you dragging this phony scandal known as Troopergate out of the political graveyard from 5 years ago is?
            Here you have a committed leftist who is sticking up for a known racist. Wooten was a racist. Hated Native Americans in Alaska. Used racial epithets against them.

            But here is you, defending him. What a world. It certainly is. BTW, didn’t Monegan resign? Or did he quit?

          • MJUdall

            Also Stephen Branchflower was handpicked by Democrats to investigate this matter. There was no impartiality on his part. Which is why 5 state lawmakers filed suit against him, Hollis French and Senator Kim Elton. None had any interest in conducting a partial investigation.

          • Guest

            Petumenos wrote the Legislature’s special counsel, former state prosecutor Steve Branchflower, used the wrong state law as the basis for his conclusions and also misconstrued the evidence.

            The Bi-partisan Alaska Personnel Board , which is the final authority(!), ruled that Sarah Palin did not commit any ethics violation
            http://www.adn.com/2008/11/03/577323/new-troopergate-report-clears.html

            The Branchflower report was an obvious political hatchet job. Democrats who were active with Obama’s campaign hijacked the process, ignored the law and released a report that fit their agenda.

            Luckily, an independent board corrected the record.

            By the way, the members of the Personnel Board were appointed by Palin’s predecessor, Frank Murkowski–no friend of Palin.

          • exodus2012

            with the political landscape shifting against the CORRUPT Ruling Class, Palin’s resigning, due to political targeting by CORRUPTOCRATS, in order to fight back on a different front, will be understood and agreed with

            as info about the Big Govt corruption and abuse continues to spread, Americans will be searching more and more for a Leader they can trust

            someone who VALUES keeping their word

            someone who has a record of fighting corruption successfully

            someone whose Admin emails are in the Public domain

            someone who didn’t feel the need to destroy their hard-drives

            someone who is not reluctant to present personal documentation or all Tax Returns

            someone who is transparent in all dealings

            and America will see the Leader they need, waiting in the wings …

            #BeClingers ———————-> #AmericaRISING

          • VinnieF

            According to you, she fought back by quitting and letting those who were trying to drive her out actually drive her out. She has since had NO RESPONSIBILITIES of a political nature.

          • exodus2012

            no, actually, she sped up to complete her obligations and then resigned to relieve her Constituents and to help America out of a very bad situation

            and soon you, and every American will know exactly how bad the situation has been

            and will be grateful to Gov Sarah Palin

          • VinnieF

            So her opponents were successful in getting her to leave office? In other words, she was DEFEATED!

            Her obligations were to complete a four year term. She did NOT do that.

          • exodus2012

            no – she has taken the step which puts her country first

            once the hammer falls, all will become clear, I assure you vin

            **__**

          • VinnieF

            VICTORY to those that drove Sarah Palin from the office of Governor of Alaska. You were VICTORIOUS in removing this woman from political office. REJOICE!!

          • exodus2012

            LOL

            I think they may be rather sorry they used those tactics on Gov Sarah Palin after the 2008 election **__**

            like royroyo said (AK resident)

            By the way, she was content to to return to AK after the national election and go to work, but the haters wouldn’t let her. Now these adolescent screechers are obviously not scuba divers. And no one ever told them what happens when you continually jab and pester a barracuda. Without warning, it will spin around and tear your face off. Shoulda known better.”

            yup… and it won’t be long now …

            #BeClingers ———> #AmericaRISING

          • Guest

            Sarah Palin served 32 out of 48 months the same percentage that Obama served of his Senate term (not including the two-year break he spent campaigning) and accomplished everything she set out to do in that time.

            After Sarah Palin accepted John McCain’s offer to run for vice president and became the left’s (media) most attacked and vilified person she returned to Alaska to find a never-ending assault of frivolous ethics complaints paralyzing her ability to govern the state.

            She resigned because she recognized the cost that the frivolous ethics complaints were having on her state , and she saw how much of her staff’s time and her own time were forced to deal with those issues.

            That entire campaign of BS lawsuits was meant to do nothing but hamstring the governor’s office and bankrupt Sarah Palin.

            She saw that if she stayed on as Governor it would continue to cost the state millions of dollars in wasted time and resources to defend against false and maliciously ethics complaints and doom it to gridlock.

            Those frivolous lawsuits had already cost the state of AK close to $2 million; Sarah Palin had over $500,000 dollars in legal fees.

            http://articles.ktuu.com/2009-07-09/ethics-complaints_24126005

            These lawsuits were filed by activists whose goal was to bog down her administration with lawsuits and paperworks & to bankrupt her middle class family. Sarah Palin was responsible for her own legal fees due to the ethic laws at the time. She & her staff were spending 80% of their time defending lawsuits & dealing with FOIA requests. No sooner would one lawsuit go away then another was filed.

            Sarah Palin knew that for the sake of her state it would be best if she stepped aside from the governorship. She resigned so the state could move forward.

            In an article Sarah Palin said:

            “I said, ‘Enough. Political adversaries and their political friends in the media will not destroy my State, my administration, nor my family. Enough.’ I knew if I didn’t play their game any longer, they could not win. I would not retreat, I would instead reload, and I would fight for what is right from a different plane.”

            She promised to keep the frivolous anti-Palin law suits away from the Alaskan people and to be more effective on the stump ( supporting candidates , fundraising, etc)

            Sarah Palin was truthful on both accounts.

            She was the catalyst for the takeover of the House , twice as many Governships and lopsided Gop Statehouses with her endorsements and rallies all over the country during the 2010 election.

            Sarah Palin also had a very strong hand in the party’s few successes during the 2012 election.
            ————————————-

          • Guest

            The entity actually charged by the Alaska state constitution and laws with enforcing that state’s ethics laws ruled that Sarah Palin did not commit any ethics violation.

            http://www.adn.com/2008/11/03/577323/new-troopergate-report-clears.html

          • Bianca Bradley

            She apparently did go through the official channels. I dunno bout you, someone tasering my nephew would have my wrath for many years to come. It shows that she is human.

        • exodus2012

          ‘running’ won’t be necessary katie … ‘standing’ for the high office will be quite sufficient you know

          **__**

          • Bianca Bradley

            Palin is not President. She did not run for President, she did not get the electoral votes, ergo she is not President.

          • exodus2012

            hmmmm …. well, technically that’s true

            have you heard of the office of the ‘Shadow Presidency’?

          • Bianca Bradley

            No, and even if it did exist I would not support it. I’m a constitutional supporter.

          • exodus2012

            a supporter of an OVERT LIAR?

            UNFLIPPINBELIEVABLE!!!!

    • Guest

      The entity actually charged by the Alaska state constitution and laws with enforcing that state’s ethics laws ruled that Sarah Palin did not commit any ethics violation.
      http://www.adn.com/2008/11/03/577323/new-troopergate-report-clears.html

      There has not been one aspect of Palin’s life and career that has not been chewed over, criticized and lied about by the media. The media went through pages and pages of Palin Emails (24,000+ pages of emails from Palin’s term as governor), looking for damning information that could wipe Sarah Palin from America’s political scene.

      What they found was the inner workings of an efficient, informed and very involved governor that mounted an unprecedented 80 plus approval rating while in office.

      The Palin Emails (24,000+ pages of emails) show that Sarah Palin conducted the business of her state in a transparent, bi-partisan, and responsible manner. She worked long, hard hours and treated everyone with respect.

      After poring over thousands of emails (24,000+ pages of emails) from Palin’s term as governor, even the mainstream media has been forced to concede that Palin was a conscientious, transparent, and effective public servant.

      • KatieAnnieOakley

        The Personnel Board found that she hadn’t – that’s true. They’re appointed by the Governor; Palin didn’t appoint them – the previous Governor, who was DESPISED, had. But, given her well known and demonstrated past history of firing those that displeased her or simply rubbed her the wrong way – they knew their jobs were on the line if they agreed with the independent investigator’s findings of GUILTY of ABUSE of POWER.

        The independent Investigator, Steve Branchflower – who was appointed by a BI-PARTISAN committee from the Alaska State Legislature to investigate her – found that she had, indeed abused her power in firing the Troopers Boss for not firing the Trooper at her request.

        And Todd’s request.
        And her father’s request.
        And her mother’s request.
        And her sister’s request.
        And as many of her staff members requested.

        The abuse was so organized, I’m surprised a RICO Statute wasn’t cited. She had the Personnel Board investigate her only when the report didn’t come back in her favor; she knew what the Personnel Board would say: she was their boss – she held the power of their paychecks.

        http://www.adn.com/2008/10/10/552393/troopergate-report-palin-abused.html

  • john norton

    Go Governor Palin…:)

    • john norton

      **__** … !!!-)

    • VinnieF

      I hope the secularists won’t mind if I wish John a Merry Christmas with this wonderful photo of a nativity scene as they do it in Catalan. Yes, the man to the right is a gnome-like creature taking a dump as Christ is being born. This is seriously how they celebrate the birth of Christ in Catalan. Google it if you don’t believe me.

  • MJUdall

    First of all, when you say that not all atheists, pagan, leftists are like this and someone like you and your ilk deserve to be distinguished from those who are in the extreme and don’t lump me in with them argument….ahem….too bad.

    In 2012, just months before the election, some idiot named Todd Akin made a comment about rape that was absurd and the entire conservative movement and even the moderate republican party got lumped into being Todd Akin. All of us. Didn’t matter how many of us disagreed with him, nope, we were all just like him to the left.

    There is no War on Christians or Christmas you say? Really. Just like there were no communists plotting against America back in the 1940s, right? Please. If you think that Christmas is stronger than ever just because big box stores have better sales and doorbusters every year, you’re missing the boat entirely. Yes, Christmas appears to be going stronger than ever. From the commercial selling stand point. The meanings behind it and what it really is supposed to mean for people and its religious meanings are what is slipping away in this society. As a self proclaimed Pagan, you must be thrilled with that.

    Why are so called progressives always regressing backward is what I want to know. You cite the fact that Biblical figures marrying multiple wives and children getting married thousands of years ago. But is that condoned now? No. The religions who are still practicing those behaviors today come from Muslim countries. Not a peep said about that though. Ever.

    What you leftists do not understand is conservatives, the tea party, and folks like Sarah Palin did not create the concept of traditional marriage. If folks like you continue to marginalize traditional marriage to suit your own agenda, eventually and over time, you will also be marginalizing human race. We’re given different parts and different sexes for a reason and that’s to reproduce. And that is not only with humans its with almost every living thing on the planet as well.

    This review totally bastardizes Palin’s words and thoughts. In the book, she never demands people to celebrate Christmas one way, her way and no other. She never demands that Jesus be forced into Wall Mart and Target stores all across the USA. Is asking stores to use the word “Christmas” instead of “Holiday” forcing Jesus on people? No it’s not.

    Sorry Laddie Buck, but the left has been whining screaming marching at every last thing they consider is an injustice on them or an infringement on THEIR rights and liberties for decades. Now, you’re just going to have to get used to the right doing it too from now on and I’m happy to have an activist political figure like Sarah Palin at the head of that march in these culture wars.

    • VinnieF

      “Traditional Marriage”? Do you mean as it is discussed in the Bible? No, I don’t believe in that.

      You mention that Christians no longer practice having multiple wives as discussed in the Bible. Why did that change? Are you actually saying that mankind gets to pick and choose which parts of the Bible we can follow? Much like it was actually mankind that decided which books of the Bible were the word of God and which were apocryphal?

      • john norton

        good try V & typical , good try trying to drag others down in the muck with ya all…:(

        • VinnieF

          Again, an unintelligent reply from you. MJ mentions that marriage in the Bible is not what he practices and then says that “Traditional Marriage” is what we all need to abide by. But he provides no definition of what this is nor where the definition came from.

          All I did was show that if you’re looking at things from a Christian, Biblical perspective you must redefine your definition of marriage because your holy book’s definition of marriage is really screwed up. Its views on slavery are also really screwed up.

          • john norton

            look marraige is marraige no in between… !

          • VinnieF

            I agree. And the sex of the people getting married doesn’t matter.

          • exodus2012

            some Americans hold that POV and many Americans don’t

            I think Americans may choose to employ the Constitutional Amendments process wrt this issue, in the future

          • MJUdall

            So wait, you’re saying that all the figures in the Bible have multiple wives?

          • VinnieF

            No, but many of them do. There is nothing in the Bible that says this type of relationship is wrong is there? Is there a specific definition of what marriage should be? You keep mentioning ‘Traditional Marriage’ but fail to say what that is nor where that came from. I have a feeling that you came up with the definition all by yourself. You certainly can’t cite any holy doctrine that explains your position.

          • exodus2012

            you are unfamiliar with the New Covenant (Testament) vin?

          • MJUdall

            Yes but you made the insinuation that everyone was doing that and therefore that is what a traditional marriage was.

            So in your mind, sex and the covenant between a man and a woman which allows our species of humanity to go along through time has to be explained somewhere in the actual text in order for it to be?

          • VinnieF

            I never said nor implied that there was a definition of ‘traditional marriage’ that we should follow. That was you!

            All I did was point out that if you look to the Bible for your definition of ‘traditional marriage’ then you have to address the multiple wives, forced marriages, rules about marrying slaves, etc. You have to admit that marriage, as discussed in the Bible, is nothing like what we consider ‘traditional marriage’ to be today.

          • MJUdall

            No. YOU SAID that the definition of traditional marriage was the one where men had multiple wives according to certain figures in the Bible.

      • MJUdall

        Why don’t you share with us why you think it changed.

      • exodus2012

        you have mixed up two Covenants in that graphic vin

        the Mosaic Covenant (temporary and conditional) and the New Covenant (unconditional, everlasting)

        • VinnieF

          Sorry, the Bible contains many contradictions. Please ask God why he did that.

          • exodus2012

            no vin

            you don’t understand the Covenants that G-D has presented and within which He governs

    • VinnieF

      One more point. You ask “Is asking stores to use the word “Christmas” instead of “Holiday” forcing Jesus on people?” Stores are actually free to use whatever they want. Many of them have decided that “Happy Holidays” is a more ubiquitous greeting. No one coerced them into doing this. They did it themselves as a business decision.

      BTW, if Palin is in favor of people being allowed to peacefully practice their religion as she claims, why was she such an opponent of the mosque near the site of 9/11? Shouldn’t Muslims be allowed to practice their religion on their own private property? Does Sarah actually put one religion above another?

      • john norton

        Mosques are jihadi central,their commo center whats ya think we were all born yesterday…? not a bloody chance,,,Grrrrrrrrrr…! 0bama uses the WH in like manner,,,STIO/

        • VinnieF

          You’re such a loving Christian that just happens to hate people who practice a different religion than you do.

          • john norton

            There is only one big guy upstairs Troublemaker,call him whatever u will…:)

          • VinnieF

            Actually, throughout history mankind has celebrated THOUSANDS of different Gods.

          • exodus2012

            yes

            but that’s not the Judeo-Christian foundation upon which The USA was built … with these human virtues being upheld and admired

      • MJUdall

        Right they are. As do customers have the right to call them on it for not using the word they want. The customers are doing the company a favor by speaking up, because what they could do in lieu of that is simply take their business elsewhere.

        Not where they attacked us they shouldn’t. Actually, the folks who put one religion after another are the left, liberal media and people like yourself. Islam is protected by the left DNC and media outlets like MSNBC and CNN. There are anti Christian stories done day in and day out. But see if you can find stories about honor killings or other heinous rituals from that religion. Not many want to tell the truth about Islam.

        • VinnieF

          Please cite a single “anti Christian” story that has been done recently by either MSNBC or CNN.

          Do you admit that the stores are free to do what they want? If so, then where’s the “War on Christmas”? Sure, you can tell them to change what they do but that doesn’t mean they’re somehow under attack. And certainly you’d defend my right of free speech to tell them if I felt differently. (Of course, like most people I actually spend ZERO minutes of my life complaining about people that say “Merry Christmas”.)

          • exodus2012

            go to Newsbusters.org and you will see them listed

          • VinnieF

            I asked for a link from MSNBC or CNN. If there are such articles done “day in and day out” we should be able to find them. Simply pointing me to one of your favorite right-wing web sites doesn’t prove MJ’s point.

          • exodus2012

            go and see all the video clips at Newsbusters.org

            that’s if you are TRULY interested in getting your Q answered vin

          • VinnieF

            Oh no! Is this the part where Exodus insists over and over that she’s answered a question when it’s crystal clear that she hasn’t. Sorry, I’m not going down that route with you again.

            You and MJ both know full well that you can’t come up with a recent “anti Christian” article from a major news source such as MSNBC or CNN.

          • MJUdall

            I just did. There listed over there. If you want the original stories they are linked up in the article at Newsbusters.

          • MJUdall

            The idiot doesn’t get that when the NB site highlights a certain story from the media, whatever network or publication, that they also feature the original article from that network and publication.

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            Why not New Zealand Busters? I mean why America when you’re not even a citizen and you’ll never will be.

          • exodus2012

            oh?

            and how will you stop me, booboo?

            **__**

          • TPbagger

            you are on the NO-FLY list,
            seems you pissed off a few people, who work for said dept.
            msg from some, tro11 whatever that means…

          • exodus2012

            and what if the enemies of Constitutional America are no longer in charge of govt departments?

            How will you stop me then, bagger?

            **__**

          • MJUdall

            Ed Schultz: Christian Values Mean Nothing to Republicans – ‘They Hide Behind Their Plastic Jesus’
            http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/11/05/ed-schultz-christian-values-mean-nothing-republicans-they-hide-behind

            NBC’s Luke Russert Agrees It’s ‘Absolutely Accurate’ That Snarky Media Bite People of Faith
            http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2013/10/15/nbcs-luke-russert-agrees-its-absolutely-accurate-snarky-media-bite-peopl

            They’ve got a whole separate thread for such stories for you Vincenzo! http://newsbusters.org/issues-events-groups/religious-bias

          • VinnieF

            It’s interesting that you have to post the right-wing view of the article. How about showing the real link and letting us decide if it’s “anti Christian” or not. Why do you have to provide the spin along with the article?

          • exodus2012

            go and see the VIDEO CLIPS vincenzo **__**

          • MJUdall

            They don’t do very much right winging there. Yes some of the writers there lean right. But they present the actual text of the story done by the actual networks and publications. Sometimes there will be editorial language. But most of what newsbusters is simply pointing out the bias in the media using the media’s own stories and words.

          • VinnieF

            I read the articles. I didn’t see anything that was an attack on Christianity. For example, Ed Schulz was saying that Republicans use Christianity to justify their positions. That’s NOT an attack on Christianity itself.

          • MJUdall

            No of course you didn’t. You support the attacks.

            Maybe the biggest thing you miss is that these stories are under-reported. Under reporting them by the mass media is also an attack.
            For example, during the recent government shutdown, Catholic priests were warned that they could be arrested for celebrating Mass, even if performed on a voluntary basis. Under Sec Defense Chuck Hagel’s direction and determination was that priests do not “contribute to the morale” and “well-being” of military personnel.” Thus, offering of the sacraments was prohibited and the Eucharist placed under lock and key. Curiously, no mention was made of curtailing religious freedom for Muslim service members or furloughing imams.
            ACLU has been at the forefront of an extensive effort to ban Christian prayer from public schools under the “separation of church and state” provision of the First Amendment. This is a signature issue for the “civil rights” organization. However, for Muslim prayers, the organization reverses its interpretation and fights for student rights to engage in prayer. For example, when Carver Elementary School in San Diego instituted a 15-minute prayer period during class time for Muslim students in 2004, the ACLU endorsed the practice. ACLU spokesman Kevin Keenan said the group supported Muslim prayer under the First Amendment’s prohibition against impeding religion. In this way, the ACLU was “honoring constitutional standards for freedom of religion.”

          • VinnieF

            Fine. You can view things as a battle between Christianity and Islam and fight your little ‘war’. I’ve got far more important things to worry about.

          • MJUdall

            You said something similar moments ago, we thought you were leaving.

          • MJUdall

            Not a battle. It comes down to simple hypocrisy of the left and organization like the ACLU. This makes Palin’s point that some religions are favored by certain grievance groups and industries. It is Christianity and Judaism that are the easy targets for these organizations.

          • TPbagger

            keep your religion in your church

          • Bianca Bradley

            Why? Would you be ok with keeping whatever you practice only in your house? Should Christians not have to see your articles of faith displayed on your person? Why should MJUdall not be free to express his religious opinions here?

          • Bianca Bradley

            Please show the source for where Catholic priests would be arrested for performing their rituals? I’m quite sure if that were true, the Catholic church would send it’s legions of lawyers to lay the smack down in federal court.

          • Bianca Bradley

            If you have school sponsored prayer, that is state sponsored religion. There have been numerous lawsuits that allow prayer in school if done on their own. The Islamic faith, also has their right by the 1st amendment to have their religious tenents taken into account. That is why the ACLU sued for it.

          • MJUdall

            ABC GMA. Seriously…. Holy Water harmful to your health? Lets see them do a segment on Muslim honor killings. Or how the way Muslims slaughter animals in the most painful and inhumane ways in order to meet Halal religious standards. They won’t do such stories out of fear. http://gma.yahoo.com/holy-water-may-harmful-health-study-finds-225105270–abc-news-health.html

          • exodus2012

            ^5!

            **__**

          • Bianca Bradley

            News busters is not a media outlet. It won’t help. It is a very biased site. It would be like me posting links from Huffpost saying abortion is good. Or me posting from world net daily or townhall that abortion is bad.

        • TPbagger

          you are so full of it your eyes are brown

          • Exodus2011

            upset today bagger?

            got out on the wrong side of the bed?

            **__**

        • Bianca Bradley

          Ok I’ll bite. I googled honor killings in america.

          Here ya go:

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/05/pakistan-parents-killed-d_0_n_2078365.html

          http://www.cbsnews.com/news/honor-killing-under-growing-scrutiny-in-the-us/

          http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/04/world/asia/afghanistan-honor-killing-survivor/

          Top three hits, and there are many more. It does you no good to say these things, when they can be easily refuted from a google search.

  • john norton

    Governor Palin,…Our Citizen President…

    • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

      No such thing as “Citizen President”

      • john norton

        Whos book ,…yours…?/LOL

        • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

          Yeah

          • john norton

            Then U need to re- write yore book…:(

      • VinnieF

        Remember how she tried to insult Obama saying he had “no real responsibilities”? Sarah has had NO REAL RESPONSIBILITIES since quitting over five years ago.

        • john norton

          Ha,ha,ha insult 0bama ,…cant be done he insults himself,hes pre-paid already…:)

        • exodus2012

          Hi vincenzo!

          with the political landscape shifting against the CORRUPT Ruling Class, Palin’s resigning, due to political targeting by CORRUPTOCRATS, in order to fight back on a different front, will be understood and agreed with

          as info about the Big Govt corruption and abuse continues to spread, Americans will be searching more and more for a Leader they can trust

          someone who VALUES keeping their word

          someone who has a record of fighting corruption successfully

          someone whose Admin emails are in the Public domain

          someone who didn’t feel the need to destroy their hard-drives

          someone who is not reluctant to present personal documentation or all Tax Returns

          someone who is transparent in all dealings

          and America will see the Leader they need, waiting in the wings …

          #BeClingers ———————-> #AmericaRISING

        • Guest

          Sarah Palin served 32 out of 48 months the same percentage that Obama served of his Senate term (not including the two-year break he spent campaigning) and accomplished everything she set out to do in that time.

          After Sarah Palin accepted John McCain’s offer to run for vice president and became the left’s (media) most attacked and vilified person she returned to Alaska to find a never-ending assault of frivolous ethics complaints paralyzing her ability to govern the state.

          She resigned because she recognized the cost that the frivolous ethics complaints were having on her state , and she saw how much of her staff’s time and her own time were forced to deal with those issues.

          That entire campaign of BS lawsuits was meant to do nothing but hamstring the governor’s office and bankrupt Sarah Palin.

          She saw that if she stayed on as Governor it would continue to cost the state millions of dollars in wasted time and resources to defend against false and maliciously ethics complaints and doom it to gridlock.

          Those frivolous lawsuits had already cost the state of AK close to $2 million; Sarah Palin had over $500,000 dollars in legal fees.

          http://articles.ktuu.com/2009-07-09/ethics-complaints_24126005

          These lawsuits were filed by activists whose goal was to bog down her administration with lawsuits and paperworks & to bankrupt her middle class family. Sarah Palin was responsible for her own legal fees due to the ethic laws at the time. She & her staff were spending 80% of their time defending lawsuits & dealing with FOIA requests. No sooner would one lawsuit go away then another was filed.

          Sarah Palin knew that for the sake of her state it would be best if she stepped aside from the governorship. She resigned so the state could move forward.

          In an article Sarah Palin said:

          “I said, ‘Enough. Political adversaries and their political friends in the media will not destroy my State, my administration, nor my family. Enough.’ I knew if I didn’t play their game any longer, they could not win. I would not retreat, I would instead reload, and I would fight for what is right from a different plane.”

          She promised to keep the frivolous anti-Palin law suits away from the Alaskan people and to be more effective on the stump ( supporting candidates , fundraising, etc)

          Sarah Palin was truthful on both accounts.

          She was the catalyst for the takeover of the House , twice as many Governships and lopsided Gop Statehouses with her endorsements and rallies all over the country during the 2010 election.

          Sarah Palin also had a very strong hand in the party’s few successes during the 2012 election.

          • TPbagger

            ban this spammer

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            This is spam.

          • TPbagger

            Spam paid for by $araPac

          • Exodus2011

            hmmm …. I don’t think so bagger

            see the latest SarahPAC audit which verifies my claim

            we supporters of Gov Sarah Palin do so as VOLUNTEERS because she is the Real Deal and her accomplishments and corruptocrat BUTT-KICKING are AWESOME

            this post covers it so well, from an AK Resident

            This AWESOME post was composed by disqus ID = royroyo

            (prepare to be DICED and SLICED, you GOPe/RINO/Lefty TOOLs! **__**)

            The last 45 of my 66 years I’ve spent in a commercial fishing town in Alaska. I understand Alaska politics but never understood national politics well until this last year. Here’s the breaking point: Neither side of the Palin controversy gets it…It’s not about persona, style, rhetoric, it’s about doing things. Even Palin supporters never mention the things that I’m about to mention here.

            1- Democrats forget when Palin was the Darling of the Democrats, because as soon as Palin took the Governor’s office away from a fellow Republican and tough SOB, Frank Murkowski, she tore into the Republican’s “Corrupt Bastards Club” (CBC) and sent them packing. Many of them are now residing in State housing and wearing orange jump suits. The Democrats reacted by skipping around the yard, throwing confetti and singing “la la la la” (well, you know how they are). Name another governor in this country that has ever done anything similar. But while you’re thinking, I’ll continue.

            2- Now with the CBC gone, there were fewer Alaskan politicians to protect the huge, giant oil companies here. So, she constructed and enacted a new system of splitting the oil profits called “ACES”. Exxon (the biggest corporation in the world) protested and Sarah told them “don’t let the door hit you in the stern on your way out.” They stayed, and Alaska residents went from being merely wealthy to being filthy rich. Of course the other huge international oil companies meekly fell in line. Again, give me the name of any other governor in the country that has done anything similar.

            3- The other thing she did when she walked into the governor’s office is she got the list of State requests for federal funding for projects, known as “pork”. She went through the list, took 85% of them and placed them in the “when-hell-freezes-over” stack. She let locals know that if we need something built, we’ll pay for it ourselves. Maybe she figured she could use the money she got from selling the previous governor’s jet because it was extravagant. Maybe she could use the money she saved by dismissing the governor’s cook (remarking that she could cook for her own family), giving back the State vehicle issued to her, maintaining that she already had a car, and dismissing her State provided security force (never mentioning—I imagine—that she’s packing heat herself). I’m still waiting to hear the names of those other governors.

            4- Now, even with her much-ridiculed “gosh and golly” mannerism, she also managed to put together a totally new approach to getting a natural gas pipeline built which will be the biggest private construction project in the history of North America. No one else could do it although they tried. If that doesn’t impress you, then you’re trying too hard to be unimpressed while watching her do things like this while baking up a batch of brownies with her other hand.

            5- For 30 years, Exxon held a lease to do exploratory drilling at a place called Point Thompson. They made excuses the entire time why they couldn’t start drilling. In truth they were holding it like an investment. No governor for 30 years could make them get started. This summer, she told them she was revoking their lease and kicking them out. They protested and threatened court action. She shrugged and reminded them that she knew the way to the court house. Alaska won again.

            6- President Obama wants the nation to be on 25% renewable resources for electricity by 2025. Sarah went to the legislature and submitted her plan for Alaska to be at 50% renewables by 2025. We are already at 25%. I can give you more specifics about things done, as opposed to style and persona . Everybody wants to be cool, sound cool, look cool. But that’s just a cover-up. I’m still waiting to hear from liberals the names of other governors who can match what mine has done in two and a half years. I won’t be holding my breath.

            By the way, she was content to to return to AK after the national election and go to work, but the haters wouldn’t let her. Now these adolescent screechers are obviously not scuba divers. And no one ever told them what happens when you continually jab and pester a barracuda. Without warning, it will spin around and tear your face off. Shoulda known better.

    • john norton

      **__** !!!-)

    • TPbagger

      photo-op paid for with $araPac funds

  • JasonMankey

    I think it’s great that so many people are reading this review and leaving comments. However, if you are posting to this thread you have to leave a comment. Random pictures of Sarah Palin are not comments and I will be deleting them. I like discussion, I’m cool with people disagreeing with me, but if it’s not relevant to the conversation(s) I’ll get rid of it.

    • VinnieF

      Thank you! In case you couldn’t tell, some of the pro-Palin types don’t have a lot to say.

      And thanks for your post. It’s great!!

      EDIT: Oh, and please keep my picture of the Caganer. You got to admit that’s kind of cool, even if it isn’t a Pagan ritual. :)

      • john norton

        whats the point of arguing with U…/

        • john norton

          **__** … !!!-)

    • john norton

      thanks for that reminder… i try too…:) i can write too beleive it or not…:)

      • Ooops

        From C4P :

        “john norton

        • 32 minutes ago

        http://www.patheos.com/blogs/p… boy,…there is a real nasty bunch still here at this link could use a little help…:) “

        • john norton

          thankyou,r u saying now tht U r one of the down arrow trolls there,…LOL :)

    • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

      Just a heads up.
      Exodus2011 is know for that and her spam “cut and paste” posts. That is all she does.

      • john norton

        telling the Truth Doll is something u never learned to do… STAT/

      • exodus2012

        (what about Exodus2012? **__**)

        • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

          That troll does the same thing too.

          • Exodus2011

            and .. do we both annoy you equally booboo?

            or do you revile one ID more than the other?

            **__**

            btw

            Gov Sarah Palin is a staunch supporter of the State of Israel – this pic was taken in Yerushalayim back in March 2011, when she and her husband were invited to a private Purim dinner with PM Netanyahu and his wife:

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            btw
            Are both your accounts banned by the C4P?

          • Exodus2011

            I don’t know

            why don’t you ask Nicole?

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            Who is Nicole?

          • exodus2012

            Nicole Coulter

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            Nicole O. Coulter?
            Sorry, I don’t converse with her. Anyways. it is done. palin is an entertainer and has you poor souls on a string. I will delete my account if palin runs for higher office but she won’t.

            Don’t force your view of Gov. Palin on others, but look for opportunities to “listen first,” make friendships and provide helpful information when you feel prompted or inspired to do so.

          • exodus2012

            hmmm … I notice it took you two hours to discuss what you would reply to my Q ~> “why don’t you ask Nicole?”

            did it cause you and Nicole some stress?

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            Um, no. You’re an idiot.
            hmmm… Sunday we have Football over here and a lot of Americans watch it. If you lived here, you wood know that.

          • exodus2012

            sure booboo

            (did you forget that you are a BULLSCHMIDTER from waaayyy back?)

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            Still on that antisemitic kick, eh?

    • exodus2012

      do you consider pictures associated with Gov Palin’s book tour are random?

    • exodus2012

      Hi jason

      do you consider comments and pics associated with Gov Palin’s expression of faith, undergirding the philosophy behind her book as random?

      • john norton

        >>>~ !

      • J. Edward Tremlett

        Not so bold when the real forum police arrives, eh? ;)

        • exodus2012

          in what way J?

          btw

          Lovers of Constitutional America know the history and background of this warrior leader, Gov Sarah Palin

          they know that her RECORD matches her RHETORIC ..that is the KEY to her POWER

          she is The Real Deal, and Americans are CLEAVING to her, and to the #CruzMissile btw

          and the Permanent Political Class are so concerned that folks like you are out all over the blogs, trying to keep your false Palin memes alive

          and you are gonna be run off your feet J … because you won’t be able to stop the truth spreading ..

          uh oh … watch out! … take cover! I sense an exuberant yell…bubbling up! …. IN-COMING!!!!

          YEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

          **__**

          #BeClingers —————–> #AmericaRISING

          #WAR ——————————> #CrushROVE

          (hope y’all’s ears are ok darlin’ … I *did* warn ya .. **__**)

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            Something tells me the cure you take every day is a strong neuroleptic.

            Bye bye, now.

          • exodus2012

            oh?

            what’s makes you think that J?

            or is it your way of telling me that you and I don’t agree idealogically?

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            You don’t even live here.
            You’re not a citizen of the USA and the C4P has banned you.

          • Exodus2011

            and?

            (people can read my disqus profile if they’re interested)

            best watch out booboo … you repeat yourself so often on this theme, you might be accused of …. dare I say it ? … ‘spamming’?

            **__**

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            I don’t mind people I disagree with ideologically, so long as they’re intelligent and willing to discuss things instead of spout slogans.

            You are not intelligent. You are not here to discuss things. You are here to threadcrap and spam. And you sound like you missed your meds this morning.

            Away with thee!

          • exodus2012

            oh?

            well no doubt the mods here will ban me if I am breaking the blog rules

            but – if I am merely breaking your rules J?

            I think I will be able to stay

            let’s see what the Mods do (have you contacted them and commanded I be banned so my speech which offends you is no longer riling you? **__**)

          • J. Edward Tremlett

            I’ll let you wonder about that :)

          • exodus2012

            well I’m still here …so, let me play Sherlock Holmes **__**

            either you have commanded that I be banned and your command ignored or refused

            or, you haven’t issued your command yet

            **__**

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            You should always be banned.

            You’re a pestilence, a disease.

          • exodus2012

            well, why can’t you manage it?

            it seems to me that you are a failure

            what say you, booboo?

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™
          • exodus2012

            and?

            Gov Palin/the Palin family have reached deep and wide into the Culture – because of that, a large number of people who know nothing about Conservative principles/policies or even much about politics in general, will perk up and take notice …. quite soon now …

            I think that picture was featured in magazines and on TMZ wasn’t it?

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            U Mad Bro?

      • JasonMankey

        I’ve so far deleted two pictures, and I think all of you rabidly pro-Palin folks have certainly expressed her charitable endeavors via text. I’d like to keep the comments section readable/understandable.

        I’m all for free speech, that’s why there are 380 comments here. :)

        • exodus2012

          so you haven’t deleted any text thus far?

          • JasonMankey

            Not a one.

          • exodus2012

            ^5!

            **__**

        • exodus2012

          if the post is long only a certain portion shows though doesn’t it?

          if there is a pic at the end, I don’t think that would affect the readability due to not being seen

    • TPbagger

      jason, palin’s cult members hate when anyone post the truth on her, they will stomp their feet just smile and wave, you wrote a honest review

      thanks

  • john norton

    Post,… : I look at it like this to use an analogy,… The Governor is like a figurehead in the Bow of the sailing ship,used to be that people had faith in something besides themselves and at times not even that,,, Untill one of U trolls axed the Albatross on the good ship and turned good luck into bad luck… ~ !

  • john norton
    • TPbagger

      hey honey, the Governor of Alaska is a guy by the name of Parnell,
      why do you insult him?
      palin lost that title when she quit
      her title is Mrs. Palin nothing more

      • Exodus2011

        hey bagger! (or are you the ‘bagee’? **__**)

        Former Governor Sarah Palin resigned to free her Administration from the paralysis caused by having to defend against a never-ending flood of fear-instigated bogus ethics complaints, and to help America out of a very bad situation

        she completed 3 full legislative sessions before resigning – and all her promises to the Alaskan people fulfilled in that time … you could even think of it as an athlete completing a middle distance race 1 lap ahead of all the other runners! .. , or like a person completing a 3 hour examination in only 2 hours! ….. so efficient and productive was her time as Governor

        in fact what Gov Sarah Palin produced for her Alaskan constituents in 3 full legislative sessions, most Governors would not be able to deliver in two full terms!

        She is a marvel …one of a kind indeed … a Gift to America by Divine Providence, in her hour of extreme need …

        **__**

        DEO GRATIAS

        here she is with that other Leader who put the welfare and interests of fellow Americans before his own career … just like she did

        • TPbagger

          stop with the cut and paste crap, it fools no-one, palin
          quit to chase the money…
          there is no damm pipeline, ACES is dead, and with any luck dairy-gate will land her ass in jail

          • Exodus2011

            hmmm ….. I wouldn’t get your hopes up bagger … to be let down will be so demoralizing for ya **__**

            Madame Steel Spine continues to roam free harassing all you enemies of Constitutional America by her very existence

            YEAH

            btw

            did you notice how Madame Steel Spine led ONCE AGAIN when she spoke in DC to the Faith and Freedom Coalition (FFC) earlier this year?

            She said:

            Let *allah* deal with it (these warring murdering Islamic factions)

            it was very subtle but she made a clear distinction between the entity that inspires murder and mayhem, and (in a different part of her speech) ‘our one true Heavenly Father’

            be assured the EV Leaders will have picked up the distinction and WELCOME it

            the first American Leader to ‘go there’

            this woman, this WARRIOR, understands the FIGHT on EVERY LEVEL … including the spiritual

            **__**

          • TPbagger

            again, more cut and copy crap…
            as you are someone who has never step a foot in the USA
            why would anyone care what you think or say?

          • exodus2012

            so?

            the posts are for the many people who visit these comments blogs, and read but don’t comment themselves

            why do you get upset if nobody cares what I think or say?

            you are really quite surly today bagger … is that your customary demeanor?

            **__**

            here is a pic of Gov Sarah Palin from NC recently when she visited and encouraged the Operation Christmas Child Volunteers

        • FreeBird2

          GOD LADY!! Just because you say something over and over, doesn’t make it true. You want FACTS? I insist on FACTS in MY life.

          http://justsaynotobs.com/Palin_by_the_Numbers.html

          • Exodus2011

            you seem quite upset bird – even bringing The Almighty into the picture

            what is it about my post that you object to?

            btw

            Ten Things That Sarah Palin is Lacking: (list compiled by her big brother Chuck Jr **__**)

            #1-Pedigree: Sarah was born into a low-income family with no political connections. Everything she’s achieved has been through her own hard work.

            #2-Soft hands: Sarah has continually worked to provide for herself and her family, whether it was as a commercial fisherman, a hunter, a waitress, etc., she’s never been afraid to get her hands dirty.

            #3-Sleep: I watched Sarah work 15-20 hours a day, seven days a week as governor. Her stamina amazes everyone close to her.

            #4-A golf handicap: Although she loves the game, you would never see Sarah spending countless hours on the links during a position of leadership.

            #5-Shady friends: Sarah has no ties to known domestic terrorists, and no wealthy foreign friends that financed trips for her overseas.

            #6-Hidden college transcripts: Her school records have always been open to the public.

            #7-A perfect family: Despite hardships that almost every American family faces, Sarah has kept her head up and focused on the positive, and she’s always been there to help us when we’ve needed her.

            #8-Friends in the media, Hollywood, and rap music: The vast majority of Hollywood stars and the mainstream media have done everything in their power to destroy her. No major network newsman has ever said that he gets a tingle up his leg when he thinks of her.

            #9-A lack of respect for the Constitution: Sarah has always looked at the Constitution as a brilliant blueprint for America; a document that clearly lays out a separation of powers so that no one person or group of people have absolute power.

            #10-A doubt in our Creator: Every big decision Sarah makes has been based on prayer.

            here is Gov Palin with a precious one from Haiti – the pic was taken on her trip in support of Samaritan’s Purse after that terrible EQ back in late 2010

        • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

          I always say Tea Party Bag.

  • TPbagger

    it looks like the last remaining members of the C4P cult have flooded over here to harass this writer,

    good for you jay, for a honest review

  • narciso

    No. it’s not really, she points out how any public expression of Christianity, is discouraged, derided, and defamed, and she points out many examples, yet some religions do have precedent in the public square, no matter how reactionary,

    • TPbagger

      palin has pointed out nothing, nancy french wrote this pile of crap and palin slapped her name on it, another palin fail

      • exodus2012

        even more bearing of false witness bagger?

        not good …..

  • narciso

    Here’s the thing, Mr Mankey, something has to fill the gap, and it’s often derision of the traditions we hold dear, and sorry paganism is not one of them, now it is kind of curious, since in her governance she didn’t bring her faith into her public policy, but she governed by example, being a faithful steward of her state’s resources, but since the 29th of August of 2008, it has been open season for anyone including the one with the violent icon, to accuse her of adultery, embezzlement, insanity et al, just because she has spoken out against the then candidate and now president, and has happened to be right , a great percentage of the time,

    • TPbagger

      your statement is a flat out lie, from the time she ran as mayor she has used and abused her “faith” winning the mayors chair with all of 950 votes, most of them from her right wingnut church, tell your lie somewhere else

      • exodus2012

        why are you bearing false witness bagger?

        that’s a no-no y’know **__**

        • FreeBird2

          Bagger. Bagger.
          PROOF of exactly what’s wrong with you and Palin supporters.

          • exodus2012

            ???

          • exodus2012

            do you know bagger?

            do you want bagger to come by?

            he/she is around somewhere … why don’t you reply to a post of their’s – they may well see it on their dashboard bird

            **__**

    • KatieAnnieOakley

      Governed by example? Pursued a vendetta for years against her ex B-I-L?

      • Bianca Bradley

        Yeah….. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Wooten_(trooper)

        Tased an 11 year old kid, making death threats(since it was not directed at the father directly it was not against the law) and other things, I’d have pursued a vendetta as well. The rest of the things are bs, but yeah, tasing my nephew would have been more then enough to set me off.

  • TPbagger

    exodus2012 is some crazy troll from New Zealand, she is obsessed with palin, but being on the no-fly list she will never be able to set foot in the USA

    • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

      That’s for sure. The INS knows about her. She will NEVER set foot in the USA

    • VinnieF

      I think Sarah will call her and tell her to stop trying to defend her. I know if Exodus were representing my side of a debate, I’d consider switching sides.

  • VinnieF

    Exodus,

    You really need to read the following from Deuteronomy Chapter 25, Verses 3 through 7.

    3 – Forty stripes he may give him, and not exceed: lest, if he should exceed, and beat him above these with many stripes, then thy brother should seem vile unto thee.

    4 – Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn.

    5 – If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband’s brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband’s brother unto her.

    6 – And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.

    7 – And if the man like not to take his brother’s wife, then let his brother’s wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband’s brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband’s brother.

    Do you understand now?

    • TPbagger

      so..in the words of a layman …nail that ..hard and long…give it to her like rice did palin?

    • VinnieF

      “Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn.”

      Think about that. Those are words from God that will help us understand the world and be good Christians. Exodus just doesn’t understand what these words mean.

  • VinnieF

    I posted the comments below which was a challenge to the Palinbots to discuss some of the issues that Jason brings up in his article. Not surprisingly, not a single one of them could address what I had wrote nor the key points from Jason’s article.

    Look at the popular tales that made Christmas a popular holiday; A Christmas Carol, Twas the Night Before Christmas, The Nutcracker. NOT A ONE of these even mentions Jesus. The modern classics like Miracle on 34th St. and It’s a Wonderful Life also make no mention of Jesus. Why do almost all of the popular tales of Christmas have nothing to do with Christ?

    While I’m at it, why is that Christians didn’t celebrate the birth of Christ until the late 300′s? Why isn’t there any mention of Jesus’ birthday in the Bible or the early Christian writings for the few hundred years after his death? Is it coincidence that the Romans celebrated the birthday of the Sun God Sol Invictus on December 25 in the mid-300′s and then, after the Romans converted to Christianity, they then celebrated Christ’s birthday on the 25th? Most scholars don’t think so and believe that the Romans needed their own celebration to match other similar Pagan celebrations.

    If Christmas is such a ‘Christian’ holiday, why are so many of the things associated with it clearly of Pagan origin including Holly, gift giving, lights, and even Santa Claus himself. How could such non-Christian traditions be featured so heavily in the holiday if it’s really all about the birth of Jesus?

    Why were many Christians, including the Puritans of Colonial America, so opposed to Christmas celebrations that they actually had them banned?

    • Bianca Bradley

      It’s a wonderful life has an angel. It’s a morality play. It doesn’t have to mention Jesus to show or do a play on what he taught.

  • Exodus2011

    LOL

    you lefties/rinos (whatever) are quite entertaining, really … **__**

    you doubt I will waltz in to the USA since my visa is waived due to my NZ status? (All NZers are given waivers y’know **__**)

    and really – how much longer can your LIAR-in-Chief last? …c’mon!

    once we have Madame45 you will find the whole corrupt Obama Regime will be put on lock-down, while the nasties are all dug out

    then there will be a total overhaul of all these corrupt Govt Agencies

    it’s all good **__**

    btw – BEHOLD your LIAR-in-Chief, America!

    • VinnieF

      Exodus you heathen,

      Don’t you read your Bible? Exodus, Chapter 22, Verse 28 clearly says that you are not to curse the ruler of thy people. That would be Obama in our case.

      28 - Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

      • exodus2012

        hey vinnie

        BEHOLD your LIAR-in-Chief!

        • VinnieF

          You are a sinner that is violating the commands of your God as written in the Bible. You should be ashamed of yourself. Are you going to deny the book of Exodus?

          • exodus2012

            you are still clinging to a LIAR as a leader?

            UNFLIPPINBELIEVABLE!!!

          • VinnieF

            Sinner! Heathen!! Have you no respect for the Bible?!

          • exodus2012

            you certainly don’t appear to value commandment #9, … you are very likely a good match for your hero The LIAR-in-Chief

        • Bianca Bradley

          Allright, that’s enough. You do Conservatives and Republicans no favor by spouting crap that anyone can get off of Free Republic forum.

          One, Congress already put in a rider that allows people to keep their substandard insurance for another year. It is Congress not the President who makes the laws(see the balance of powers). If Congress tells insurance companies that policies have to be x and they aren’t, and it will cost more money than they are getting from the policy, insurance companies will cancel. It was the insurance companies who were canceling policies not the govt saying people can’t have their policies. Why? Because at 50 bucks a month, you can’t get any profit, when the govt requires you to provide health insurance not catastrophic insurance.

          Taking some time, and looking at both sides would have told you that. It adds absolutely nothing to the conversation if you are going to use Conservative public relation spin points. There is already enough hot air here with the liberal spin points.

          Also, since Obama gave most of his power to Pelosi and Reid when this was being developed, the Affordable care act is less Obama care and more Pelosi and Reid care.

          • exodus2012

            are you ALSO continuing to cling on to a LIAR as leader?

            UNFLIPPINBELIEVABLE Bianca!!!

          • Bianca Bradley

            He is the President, he was voted into office twice. There is nothing short of an impeachment, that will take him out of office. Frankly there isn’t enough political clout to do an impeachment to remove him.

            So yes, I accept that he is the President and I have two more years of him being in power. So I suck it up, like I’m sure the democrats did when Bush was in power.

          • exodus2012

            you persist in clinging to a LIAR as leader Bianca???

            UNFLIPPINBELIEVABLE

            go down with him then … being associated with such an OVERT LIAR appears to mean ZIP to you

            oh well …. you must not value your credibility

  • VinnieF

    Exodus,

    Here’s another one for you from Ezekiel, Chapter 4, Verses 10 through 12;

    10 – And thy meat which thou shalt eat shall be by weight, twenty shekels a day: from time to time shalt thou eat it.

    11 – Thou shalt drink also water by measure, the sixth part of an hin: from time to time shalt thou drink.

    12 – And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.

    13 – And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them.

    So get some human feces and start cooking. Let us know how it comes out (pun intended).

    • exodus2012

      you still cling to a LIAR as Leader???

      UNFLIPPINBELIEVABLE Vinnie!

      • VinnieF

        I’m sorry Exodus. I simply cannot engage in dialogue with someone who violates the word of God and curses our leader.

        Eat your s**t sandwich as God instructs you to and get back to me.

        • exodus2012

          you pick and choose your commandments do you?

          ‘Thou shalt not lie’ is not a biggie?

          oh well, puts you in good company with your hero, The LIAR-in-Chief

          • VinnieF

            I don’t pick and choose from the Bible, I believe it ALL! Do you? If so, then you’ll obey every single word in there, including the part about not cursing the ruler of the people. YOU seem to be the one who only wants to obey certain parts of the Bible.

            Go away heathen!! Next thing you know you’re going to be posting tons of comments on a Pagan website.

          • exodus2012

            no

            you continue to cling to a LIAR as Leader

            it is nothing to you that millions of Americans are under stress because the Healthcare plans they LIKED have been cancelled effective Dec 31

            and a new plan is much more expensive and includes cover they neither want nor need

            you support a corrupt LIAR

            you make a MOCKERY of G-D’s Word

          • VinnieF

            You dismiss key parts of the Bible! You won’t make a dish from human feces as God tells us to!

            BTW, all I have done is quoted God’s word (that is if the Bible is really God’s word).

            This post is NOT about Obamacare. It’s about your not treating the Bible as the word of God and not eating your s**t sandwich. Please believe and obey. Please eat your feces as God has told you explicitly to do in the Bible. Or do you not believe the Bible?

          • exodus2012

            BULLSCHMIDT

            you continue to cling on to a LIAR as Leader and you spout BULLSCHMIDT to try and distract from your SHAME and DISGRACE

            you will go down DISCREDITED with your LIAR-in-CHIEF

            over and over again, he KNOWINGLY LIED to millions of Americans:

            “if you like your Healthcare plan, you can KEEP IT, PERIOD”

            ~ The LIAR-in-CHIEF

          • KatieAnnieOakley

            The Bible also tells us that looking at a woman with “lust in your heart” has also committed adultery. Aren’t Palin’s short, short skirts, big hair, high heels and necklines down to there – plus that boob job last year – supposed to do just that: entice fantasy and lust in her male followers?

            Matthew 5:28

            But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

            Pick and chose, indeed! Shouldn’t Bristol have been stoned to death for “knowing” a man before marriage and for bringing shame to her father?

            Yes, we pick and chose Bible versus; EVERYONE does.

  • ScoutandAbout

    Wow. I was hoping to come back and read a few more interesting comments on Mr. Mankey’s very educational and unorthodox review of Palin’s book. And instead there’s a Superfund site waiting….

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamined Bob Seidensticker

    Nicely done! I’m a Patheos atheist blogger and also had a (not especially positive) review of Palin’s book.

    And did you see Dan Savage’s review in The Stranger? Pretty savage. And hilarious.

    • JasonMankey

      Thanks. I read your review(s) when they got posted on the front page of Patheos. I like how you broke it up into sections, and “The Ugly” wow! You really took it home.

      Somehow you managed to mostly avoid the Palin-bots too. They’ve turned the reviews here into an unholy wasteland of stupid.

  • GrafZeppelin127

    Mrs. Palin epitomizes what has become the central motif of Republican politics in the post-Bush era: self-congratulation and resentment. In my view, people like Palin admire themselves far too much, and admire themselves for being whatever they label themselves (be it “Christians” or “people of faith” or “responsible gun owners” or whatever) far too much, to be taken seriously.

    The irony of it all is that for all their braying about “freedom,” and about how they’re the only people who truly “believe in” freedom, even setting aside the fact that they confuse “freedom” with personal autonomy, they really have very little understanding of what freedom actually is. Case in point:

    “What Palin fails to understand is that the ‘reason for the season’ varies from person to person.”

    Exactly. The “reason for the season” is the kind of thing that, in a free country, we leave up to the individual, not the state. It’s up to you and me and every individual to decide the What Christmas Means™, what they wish to celebrate and why. It’s the same fundamental misunderstanding of freedom that undergirds opposition to marriage equality, viz., because That’s Not What Marriage Is™. The whole “redefining marriage” thing is a ruse, because it presumes that “marriage” need be “defined” in the first place. The only reason to “define” marriage is to exclude; inclusion requires no definition, let alone re-definition. This is a free country; we leave it to the individual to decide whether, when, how, why, and who to marry.

    We also leave it to the individual to decide whether, how and why to celebrate Christmas.

  • prelapsarian

    Just one thing. Science and reason were not dirty words pre-Renaissance; in the mediaeval era they referred to theological knowledge. Prior to the scientific method, other methods were used to try to understand causality. Some of them would seem pretty pagan today.

    Other than that, I agree with a lot of what you have to say. Thanks for reading the book so I don’t have to!


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