Charlie Sheen and the Warlocks of Salem

Sounds like a bad B movie, doesn’t it? I had planned to write a post today about Heroic values and someone who is embracing those values to change their life. It was a story of hope, inspiration and the good things that people on the liminal edges of Paganism are doing. Well, you’re getting that tomorrow, because I clicked onto Facebook today to find Christian Day has weighed in on the Charlie Sheen meltdown with that paragon of journalism: TMZ.

Click the pic to see the AV Club's Charlie Sheen warlock photo contest. It's the only funny thing I've found today.

Straight off: I don’t know Christian Day. We’re connected on Facebook and I’ve only ever heard good things about him and his work. My opinion of him has always been vaguely favorable and I have always wanted to visit his shop in Salem. His reclamation of the word “Warlock” is unusual but that’s his business not mine.

Yet I’m seriously disturbed by his decision to talk to TMZ because a celebrity in the midst of a public meltdown said something weird that included the word warlock. Here’s the audio(relevant bit starts at 11:30 mark):

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From this audio clip I can’t tell if Christian is upset because he’s expressing his “awesomeness”, or as he would say it “gnarlyness”, by calling himself a “vatican assassin warlock”, which is apparently due to a weird rumor about Sheen that he has chosen to embrace. He’s using the word with pride, much in the same way he says he has tigerblood and he is “winning” despite publicly losing everything.

Did Sheen say warlocks were bad? Did he say they were shady, sketchy people? Did he really say anything negative? Nope. He adopted the word as a a Dungeons and Dragons-like addition to his vocabulary of WINNING!

So why is Christian upset? Because his going to TMZ in a state of indignation resembles the type of publicity stunts that have caused many of us to distance ourselves from folks like Kevin Carlyon. His story in TMZ does our community no good. We derive no benefit from it. This story hurts the Pagan community while increasing Christian’s flash and pizazz. Maybe Christian wants to be Occult Advisor to the Stars! Yet he’s effectively alienated a large number of folks who would have supported him prior to this shenanigan.

Something I heard several times from Reconstructionists, Heathens and other folks at PantheaCon and afterwards is that they don’t identify as Pagan because there is so much in the Pagan community they want to distance themselves from. I’m an oddball in my particular tradition for identifying as both Pagan and Wiccan, because many folks in my trad shun anything Pagan because they don’t want to be associated with the nonsense that sometimes falls under that name.

Personally, I’ve witnessed a lot of nonsense over the years, but this morning seeing the press having a field day with Christian’s TMZ story, I felt my soul withdraw. I don’t want to be associated with this three ring circus. Creating a media circus that doesn’t serve our community, but actually undoes all the good work we’ve done with mainstream media is totally innappropriate. Christian’s Facebook page is all full of exultation from himself and his fans, and he obviously has no clue what kind of damage he’s done.

It’s going to take me some time to work through my anger and disappointment. How can I be a cheerleader of a broad inclusive Pan-Pagan community when this entire story makes my flesh crawl?

About Star Foster

Polytheistic Wiccan initiated into the Ravenwood tradition, she has many opinions. Some of them are actually useful.

  • http://vermillionrush.wordpress.com Vermillion

    “How can I be a cheerleader of a broad inclusive Pan-Pagan community when this entire story makes my flesh crawl?”

    You can still be a cheerleader while yelling that the defense couldn’t tackle a snail!

    I get what Mr. Day is trying to do but sometimes I wish he’d take the backseat when comments like this pop up, Sheenanigans (as ONTD) is enough of a trainwreck without throwing our Pagan bling bling all up in it.

    • http://www.patheos.com Star Foster

      Other than this being a publicity stunt, I don’t get what he’s trying to do. He’s doing more harm than good, and burning bridges along the way.

      • http://vermillionrush.wordpress.com Vermillion

        The publicity stunt is exactly what he’s trying to do. I’ve never met Mr. Day but it seems to me that the man thrives on making a name for himself & his flavor of Paganism. There was a post on the livejournal community “Non fluffy Pagans” about his taking offense to a proposed traffic highway in Salem and people snarked and folks are wont to do. Apparently (I have not heard the show in question) on his next podcast he took the opportunity to yell at everyone who posted. That’s just how he is unfortunately for those of us who take a more…sedate form of getting our view across.

  • http://vermillionrush.wordpress.com Vermillion

    “How can I be a cheerleader of a broad inclusive Pan-Pagan community when this entire story makes my flesh crawl?”

    You can still be a cheerleader while yelling that the defense couldn’t tackle a snail!

    I get what Mr. Day is trying to do but sometimes I wish he’d take the backseat when comments like this pop up, Sheenanigans (as ONTD) is enough of a trainwreck without throwing our Pagan bling bling all up in it.

    • http://www.patheos.com/ Star Foster

      Other than this being a publicity stunt, I don’t get what he’s trying to do. He’s doing more harm than good, and burning bridges along the way.

      • http://vermillionrush.wordpress.com Vermillion

        The publicity stunt is exactly what he’s trying to do. I’ve never met Mr. Day but it seems to me that the man thrives on making a name for himself & his flavor of Paganism. There was a post on the livejournal community “Non fluffy Pagans” about his taking offense to a proposed traffic highway in Salem and people snarked and folks are wont to do. Apparently (I have not heard the show in question) on his next podcast he took the opportunity to yell at everyone who posted. That’s just how he is unfortunately for those of us who take a more…sedate form of getting our view across.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rpaxton Robert Paxton

    I’m with you, Star. There are productive ways of engaging the media as a Pagan and/or magickal worker, and this isn’t it. Now, it DOES fall in line with Christian Day’s (and the HEX store’s) “magical badass” schtick – - but that schtick isn’t very helpful either.

    Here’s hoping Charlie Sheen checks into rehab and we can all forget about this for a while.

    • http://www.patheos.com Star Foster

      I’m completely at a loss how there could be offense. Sheen is saying a lot of things that don’t make sense. He’s sick. He needs help.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rpaxton Robert Paxton

    I’m with you, Star. There are productive ways of engaging the media as a Pagan and/or magickal worker, and this isn’t it. Now, it DOES fall in line with Christian Day’s (and the HEX store’s) “magical badass” schtick – - but that schtick isn’t very helpful either.

    Here’s hoping Charlie Sheen checks into rehab and we can all forget about this for a while.

    • http://www.patheos.com/ Star Foster

      I’m completely at a loss how there could be offense. Sheen is saying a lot of things that don’t make sense. He’s sick. He needs help.

  • http://www.patheos.com Star Foster

    Honestly, I’ve been very upset about the Sheen meltdown just because I know this is really hurting his father. Martin Sheen is a great guy and this must be painful for him to watch.

    • http://www.thorncoyle.com Thorn

      I’ve been feeling the same. Been arrested with Martin Sheen in the past. He tries to walk his talk, that man.

      • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

        That is very cool. Well, not that you’ve been arrested, but that you were arrested with Martin Sheen. I was a huge fan of the West Wing for years.

  • http://www.patheos.com/ Star Foster

    Honestly, I’ve been very upset about the Sheen meltdown just because I know this is really hurting his father. Martin Sheen is a great guy and this must be painful for him to watch.

    • http://www.thorncoyle.com Thorn

      I’ve been feeling the same. Been arrested with Martin Sheen in the past. He tries to walk his talk, that man.

      • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

        Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

  • Morgan Lairbhan

    I agree with you Star, and you are exactly right that this is why a lot of recons don’t want to be associated with mainstream pagans. Who would want to be associated with a man who publically said he was going to put a binding spell an someone for using the term warlock in a way the individual didn’t like? This whole thing is just ridiculous, and sadly it has shaped my opinion of Day, and not in a good way.

    • http://www.patheos.com Star Foster

      I have always been a big believer in the Pagan community, in our cooperation and in dialogue between our various faiths. Yet with examples like this, I’m disheartened…

      • Morgan Lairbhan

        Star, I am personally a huge believer in pagan community and the importance of ecuminism between the different pagan faiths. Something like this is a step backwards and does as much damage to the relations between the different subsets (or should I say subsects?) of neopaganism/paganism as it does to the relationship of paganism to the mainstream culture. And that is very unfortunate.

  • Morgan Lairbhan

    I agree with you Star, and you are exactly right that this is why a lot of recons don’t want to be associated with mainstream pagans. Who would want to be associated with a man who publically said he was going to put a binding spell an someone for using the term warlock in a way the individual didn’t like? This whole thing is just ridiculous, and sadly it has shaped my opinion of Day, and not in a good way.

    • http://www.patheos.com/ Star Foster

      I have always been a big believer in the Pagan community, in our cooperation and in dialogue between our various faiths. Yet with examples like this, I’m disheartened…

      • Morgan Lairbhan

        Star, I am personally a huge believer in pagan community and the importance of ecuminism between the different pagan faiths. Something like this is a step backwards and does as much damage to the relations between the different subsets (or should I say subsects?) of neopaganism/paganism as it does to the relationship of paganism to the mainstream culture. And that is very unfortunate.

  • http://twitter.com/LilyShahar Witch Mom

    *forehead slap* I just watched the video of Sheen and he is, simply put, crazy. No response was needed- but I am assuming Christian thought it would mean more media and publicity for himself and his business. Sigh.

  • http://twitter.com/LilyShahar Witch Mom

    *forehead slap* I just watched the video of Sheen and he is, simply put, crazy. No response was needed- but I am assuming Christian thought it would mean more media and publicity for himself and his business. Sigh.

  • WitchDoctorJoe

    This topic came up at the Pagan Leadership Panel at Pantheacon. Jason Pitzl-Waters of the Wild Hunt Blog, made a great point about speaking to the media when I said the one of the most important things to consider is wither or not we NEED to speak to the media.

    This one was a no.

  • WitchDoctorJoe

    This topic came up at the Pagan Leadership Panel at Pantheacon. Jason Pitzl-Waters of the Wild Hunt Blog, made a great point about speaking to the media when I said the one of the most important things to consider is wither or not we NEED to speak to the media.

    This one was a no.

  • Cora

    I believe Day was featured on an old episode of Penn & Teller’s Bullshit; I literally cringed when they (he and his “coven”) came on the screen. It’s because of this sort of behaviour that I have walked away from “Pagan” and have embraced exactly what I am: Polytheist with Quaker leanings.

    The type of “Paganism” that Day and others like him broadcast make me sick and do not speak of the relationships with the Gods.

    • http://www.maidtoqueen.blogspot.com Laura M. LaVoie

      That is where I know him from. I saw that episode and I thought “Seriously, people, if that is the best we can do no wonder we will never be taken seriously!” I had no idea this was the same guy.

      I have a lot of issues with sensationalism of this type whether brought about by the media or by other Pagans. I bothers me more, though, when it caused by other Pagans.

      • Cora

        I couldn’t agree more, Laura. Whore faming just isn’t my speed and when said actions could harm a large number of Pagans simply because they are under the same umbrella religion, it’s truely horrible.

  • Cora

    I believe Day was featured on an old episode of Penn & Teller’s Bullshit; I literally cringed when they (he and his “coven”) came on the screen. It’s because of this sort of behaviour that I have walked away from “Pagan” and have embraced exactly what I am: Polytheist with Quaker leanings.

    The type of “Paganism” that Day and others like him broadcast make me sick and do not speak of the relationships with the Gods.

    • http://www.maidtoqueen.blogspot.com Laura M. LaVoie

      That is where I know him from. I saw that episode and I thought “Seriously, people, if that is the best we can do no wonder we will never be taken seriously!” I had no idea this was the same guy.

      I have a lot of issues with sensationalism of this type whether brought about by the media or by other Pagans. I bothers me more, though, when it caused by other Pagans.

      • Cora

        I couldn’t agree more, Laura. Whore faming just isn’t my speed and when said actions could harm a large number of Pagans simply because they are under the same umbrella religion, it’s truely horrible.

  • http://www.patheos.com Star Foster

    One thing Day may not have considered is the value of Pagan tourism, and by alienating the Pagan community like this he may find Pagans planning to visit Salem avoiding his store. This is just such a sad pass of events.

    • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

      Actually, as the only Witch member of the board of directors of Salem’s official tourism organization, Destination Salem, I am well acquainted with the city’s demographics. 89% of our city’s million annual visitors are fascinated with the modern Witch, a percentage that would obviously include a massive number of non-Witches. I have quite an extensive magical clientele as well, many of whom have cheered my use of the word “warlock” and have no issue with my challenging Sheen on his usage. But, the reality is, not a single “Pagan” could ever come in my shop and I would still have the highest numbers of any Witch shop in town because, as an advertising professional of fifteen years, I know what sells. But, regardless, this reminds me of those right wingers who tell artists that they should “shut up and sing,” as though their business lives prevent them from expressing their opinions. As Streisand so effectively pointed out in a speech some years ago at Harvard University, the artist is still a citizen. I would add, so is a shop-owner.

      And again, the “you owe us” mentality has the same effect on me as fart spray. It’s hardly going to change my path. You’re on my Facebook and have easy access to contact me. Did you email me once to get my opinion, to influence my opinion, to make suggestions? No. This became a platform for you to vent, and that’s fine. We have a right to vent. I’m venting across the world these past few days because I felt this would be an incredible platform to educate people about the word warlock. And, much like I’m riding the coattails of Sheen’s implosion as a means of education, and just like an entire Witch community in Salem is riding the coattails of 1692 to educate the world about Witchcraft, you’re riding my coattails to get your opinion across. I applaud you for it, since it’s always good to find motivation to get our points across, but it’s certainly not how you go about influencing the way I carry myself. If your goal is truly to alter my communication style, I suggest your rethink how you’re going about this. Either that, or just keep on bitchin’. It’s certainly fun to read. ;-D

      • http://www.patheos.com Star Foster

        As you obviously are not aware of Patheos before this incident you created, you obviously have no idea how much I don’t need to “ride your coattails.”

        • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

          LMAO! I provided you with fodder to comment on, and, frankly, you’re obviously myopic about this and would hate me no matter what I say, so I see no reason to continue. I only know about this from perusing Google’s listings … of me. I’m going back to talk to more radio shows. You’re right, I wasn’t aware of you before today, and I certainly won’t be aware of you after it. ;-D

          • Crandall

            I never hated you. I don’t hate you now. You are naturally free to be any kind of Pagan you choose. But I think the only “myopic” view here is yours if you think you did anything but bring more difficulties for the Pagan community by your public “performance”. Even your wording, about “knowing what sells” and talking about having “used” Sheen’s situation to your own advantage demonstrates your true motivations.

            It just makes me sad, but you seem to be enjoying having little verbal scrapes with everyone who disagrees with you. Is it any wonder, then, that you seem to only pay attention to those who “cheer” your behaviors? It would have done the original poster little good to bother trying to write you or discuss your views (as you suggested), since you seem incapable of doing so without becoming petty and insulting.

            Yes, the rest of the Pagan world is entitled to its opinions as well. And from what I have been reading, it’s is largely negative towards what you’ve done. But since you’re only listening to the ones who praise your behavior, and are motivated solely by doing what sells and exploiting an insane man’s rantings to get your point across, it won’t matter what anyone else thinks.

            That’s sad, because you may be missing some important points that way. No one is so perfect they can afford to ignore the rest of the world and behave only as they wish. Blessed be.

  • http://www.patheos.com/ Star Foster

    One thing Day may not have considered is the value of Pagan tourism, and by alienating the Pagan community like this he may find Pagans planning to visit Salem avoiding his store. This is just such a sad pass of events.

    • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

      Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

      • http://www.patheos.com/ Star Foster

        As you obviously were not aware of Patheos before this incident you created, you obviously have no idea how much I don’t need to “ride your coattails.”

        • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

          Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

          • Crandall

            I never hated you. I don’t hate you now. You are naturally free to be any kind of Pagan you choose. But I think the only “myopic” view here is yours if you think you did anything but bring more difficulties for the Pagan community by your public “performance”. Even your wording, about “knowing what sells” and talking about having “used” Sheen’s situation to your own advantage demonstrates your true motivations.

            It just makes me sad, but you seem to be enjoying having little verbal scrapes with everyone who disagrees with you. Is it any wonder, then, that you seem to only pay attention to those who “cheer” your behaviors? It would have done the original poster little good to bother trying to write you or discuss your views (as you suggested), since you seem incapable of doing so without becoming petty and insulting.

            Yes, the rest of the Pagan world is entitled to its opinions as well. And from what I have been reading, it’s is largely negative towards what you’ve done. But since you’re only listening to the ones who praise your behavior, and are motivated solely by doing what sells and exploiting an insane man’s rantings to get your point across, it won’t matter what anyone else thinks.

            That’s sad, because you may be missing some important points that way. No one is so perfect they can afford to ignore the rest of the world and behave only as they wish. Blessed be.

  • http://www.hackcraft.net/ Jon Hanna

    Day is best known for upsetting people by using the word “warlock”. Frankly, he’s using it in a perfectly valid and attested sense – of a witch, particularly (though not actually exclusively) male. If people get upset by that, tough!

    Sheen is best known for having been in some films in the 80s and having a meltdown recently. Frankly, he’s also using the word “warlock” in a perfectly valid and attested sense – of a warrior who is immune to some risks. If people get upset by that, tough!

    • http://www.patheos.com Star Foster

      I have no issue with his use of the word warlock. It’s Day’s poor judgment and publicity mongering I mind. He obviously has a lack of respect for his community.

      • http://www.hackcraft.net/ Jon Hanna

        Day’s argument relates to Sheen’s use of the word “warlock”. It’s just as reasonable a use as Days. (Reasonable linguistically, obviously the actual claims to be a “Vatican assassin warlock”, whether intended literally or metaphorically, are less reasonable).

        • http://www.patheos.com Star Foster

          But Sheen’s use wasn’t offensive. It was positive, and if you listen to the full audio clip above he explains the “vatican assassin” bit. There’s nothing to get in a high dudgeon over.

          Or is no one allowed to use the word warlock except for Mr. Day. In that case he has a bigger quest to undertake against the entire gaming industry.

          • http://www.hackcraft.net/ Jon Hanna

            Precisely.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            For the record, it wasn’t his use of “vatican assassin warlock.” It was Sheen’s statement, on the Today show, against his boss that, “he picked a fight with a warlock.” The word has nothing to do with war and it annoyed me. From what I understand, it has nothing to do with war in the gaming industry either. ;)

          • http://www.hackcraft.net/ Jon Hanna

            Well, firstly the word DOES have something to do with war. Indeed, it has two things to do with war.

            The form of the word that can also mean a witch has the sense: “A warrior magically immune from wounds inflicted by certain metals.” It has had this sense since at least the 17th Century when Dryden uses it so in his translation of Æneis.

            There is also the sense of a barring against attack, which is a separate early-19th Century word formed from “war” and “lock”, but likely influenced by the earlier noun “warlock”. From this it would be perfectly good English to take it back to a noun to refer to someone who is in themselves such a barrier, which it would obviously not be a good thing to pick a fight with.

            Secondly, he didn’t actually say it had anything to do with war then either, he just said that it was a bad idea to pick a fight with a warlock. I’d like it if people thought it was a bad idea to pick a fight with a warlock, I’m all for people not wanting to pick fights with me. Still, if you don’t like the idea that people might consider warlocks to be in any way formidable, you are going the right way about it.

            It would seem that he has a certain accuracy too, since of all the rambling non-sequiturs he’s come out with, you are indeed picking a fight over something where cracking open a dictionary is all that’s needed to show you have no grounds.

            Of course, he’s not actually such a formidable warrior, either literally or metaphorically. Posturing like this can often be heard among the destitute who will make similar statements in reaction persecutors both real and imaginary. Picking a fight with Sheen over his (still perfectly valid) use of the word warlock is like picking a fight with a mentally-disturbed vagrant because you disliked a single word in their ramblings. If you really find such fights appealing, there are sadly plenty of potential opponents in any city, with no need to add the the enabling that is going on with this particular individual.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            The difference between Sheen and a mentally disturbed vagrant is that the former is the highest paid actor on television with an audience that is automatically going to enable him whether we like it or not. I do agree with the idea of warlock as ‘protected,’ and have the full entries of the word in the Oxford English Dictionary, though I don’t agree entirely with their take on the irrelevance of the Norse origins, and neither do recent scholars like Stephen A. Mitchell, whose 2011 book, Witchcraft and Magic in the Nordic Middle Ages explores the Vardlokkur, or “warlock song.”

            Sheen’s use of the word painted it in an extremely negative light, making it sound far more like a battle cry than as merely a shield. Them phrase, “picked a fight,” does not imply someone who is merely standing there protected, defended, “immune,” or “barring against attack.” Sheen’s other use of the word, coupling it with “assassin,” further solidifies this.

            Everyone’s going to have their opinion on this, but, beyond this specific debate, it has never ceased to annoy me when individuals in the “pagan community,” take ownership of the entire spectrum of such an absolutely broad concept as though there is this monolithic entity that we all owe allegiance too. My community is not “the pagan community.” Few Witches in Salem I know actually use the word Pagan at all. My community IS Salem, and includes not only Witches, but the people I see and work with every day, the waitstaff in the restaurant who serves me dinner, the UPS workers who brings me packages, the city officials who help govern our city. This is community to me.

            But, more importantly, I’m not sure how anyone expects anyone to kowtow to a movement (if this movement truly has any centralization at all) with the tone of “you owe me.” Frankly, that’s such a turnoff, it makes me want to call six more radio shows, but, I doubt that’s something many people in the so-called Pagan community will ever really get because presumptuous is simply overwhelming.

          • http://www.patheos.com Star Foster

            But you are using the term warlock as a battle cry as you announced you would work against him. What is the difference between your uses? You have effectively “declared war” on Charlie Sheen. You expressed the intention of using negative magic against him. Your logic fails as much as your discernment does.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            A binding is not negative magic.

          • http://www.patheos.com Star Foster

            Restricting someone’s free will is negative.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Magic, by its very nature, is manipulative.

          • http://www.hackcraft.net/ Jon Hanna

            Yep, that’s precisely the difference between Sheen and a mentally disturbed vagrant. Seems to me he needs binding as much as a cripple needs kneecapping.

            Sheen’s use of the word painted it in a negative light solely because he used it in the midst of his manic rants. He was no more insulting to warlocks than he was to tigers, or indeed martians (gotta watch out for that powerful martian lobby!).

            So what? It’s been used in a negative light for over a thousand years. Why on earth bother to pick up on this particular case where nobody will even notice it amongst the “fire-breathing fists” and “tiger blood”?

            I agree with you on the matter of monolithic views of what the “pagan community” should do. I distrust any move towards hegemony in the name of unity. It is among other things why I have defended your use of “warlock” against those who insist that it should only be used as they use it. I don’t even see why so many feel the need to have an opinion on it, but then I’m Wiccan and only really use it as a verb, I just care about good English more than any of it and defend your use as good English. I certainly don’t think you owe me anything; I’m far from Salem and you only really come up here as an example when said arguments about “warlock” come up (but more often Kevin Carlyon is the example people give).

            I do find it ironic that you seem to think Sheen owes you something.

            If you’re going to take him to task for his use of English, why not go after “bi-winning”. What an ugly coinage!

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Well, we can agree to disagree on some things I’m sure, but, from what I can see, you’re the smart one on here and do your homework. From the looks of the rest of what is said on here, this board seems like slummin’ it for you.

          • http://www.hackcraft.net/ Jon Hanna

            Smart enough never to think of myself as “the smart one”, is smart enough :)

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Touche. ;)

          • Crandall

            So, because Sheen is famous and all over TV, it was your responsibility to get public and shoot down your perception of what he said, right? Because as a warlock you were affronted by his use of that term and didn’t want the media perpetuating that belief. But there is an entire Pagan community out there that you just represented on TV and you have no responsibility to them whatsoever? Like it or not, people will see you as a representative of Pagans, witches, heathens, etc. As soon as people get upset about what you’ve done, publicly, you get to inform us you aren’t part of Paganism? That you have no responsibility to anyone else but you and Salem? Incidentally, I’ve talked to plenty of Pagans in Salem who aren’t too happy with what you did, as well.

            So a mental case should be corrected because he is famous and could do damage to the warlocks and witches by his comments. But you’ve just made yourself semi-famous (for a bit of time, anyway) and you don’t care what you’ve done to the same people? You only hear the voices of those who agree with you.

            You don’t owe anyone. Do your ritual in private next time and no one will worry about it at all. You know, just between you and whatever beings you are working with. If it has to be on TV, then you’re going to have face a lot more opinions out there, and they may not all be positive ones.

            For non-Pagans, they find the word “warlock” hilarious, having only heard it on Bewitched, they see it as some kind of laughable term about beings that don’t really exist. The same way they, sadly, see “witch” quite often. That’s why people portraying Pagan, witch, etc. kind of views have a responsibility to help educate, not give them more stuff to laugh at.

            It’s natural for all belief systems to want their views to be represented well in the media, especially one as maligned as ours has been.

            I think I’m just going to let it go. I don’t wish you ill, nor do I want anything I have said to come off as a personal attack. I just don’t agree with what you’ve done and feel it has hurt things, but maybe I’ve sold people short and they will see beyond it. I always have hope.

          • http://www.patheos.com Star Foster

            That still makes no sense. It’s not offensive in the least. He’s using it in a positive sense. You’re creating something out of nothing, Christian.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Correction: It’s not offensive to you in the least. Thankfully, this is America and you don’t get to define what I find offensive.

          • Crandall

            Does it matter at all that the guy is crazy? That getting worked up about it in the first place comes off as immature and as if Pagans have nothing better to do?

  • http://www.hackcraft.net/ Jon Hanna

    Day is best known for upsetting people by using the word “warlock”. Frankly, he’s using it in a perfectly valid and attested sense – of a witch, particularly (though not actually exclusively) male. If people get upset by that, tough!

    Sheen is best known for having been in some films in the 80s and having a meltdown recently. Frankly, he’s also using the word “warlock” in a perfectly valid and attested sense – of a warrior who is immune to some risks. If people get upset by that, tough!

    • http://www.patheos.com/ Star Foster

      I have no issue with his use of the word warlock. It’s Day’s poor judgment and publicity mongering I mind. He obviously has a lack of respect for his community.

      • http://www.hackcraft.net/ Jon Hanna

        Day’s argument relates to Sheen’s use of the word “warlock”. It’s just as reasonable a use as Days. (Reasonable linguistically, obviously the actual claims to be a “Vatican assassin warlock”, whether intended literally or metaphorically, are less reasonable).

        • http://www.patheos.com/ Star Foster

          But Sheen’s use wasn’t offensive. It was positive, and if you listen to the full audio clip above he explains the “vatican assassin” bit. There’s nothing to get in a high dudgeon over.

          Or is no one allowed to use the word warlock except for Mr. Day. In that case he has a bigger quest to undertake against the entire gaming industry.

          • http://www.hackcraft.net/ Jon Hanna

            Precisely.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

          • http://www.hackcraft.net/ Jon Hanna

            Well, firstly the word DOES have something to do with war. Indeed, it has two things to do with war.

            The form of the word that can also mean a witch has the sense: “A warrior magically immune from wounds inflicted by certain metals.” It has had this sense since at least the 17th Century when Dryden uses it so in his translation of Æneis.

            There is also the sense of a barring against attack, which is a separate early-19th Century word formed from “war” and “lock”, but likely influenced by the earlier noun “warlock”. From this it would be perfectly good English to take it back to a noun to refer to someone who is in themselves such a barrier, which it would obviously not be a good thing to pick a fight with.

            Secondly, he didn’t actually say it had anything to do with war then either, he just said that it was a bad idea to pick a fight with a warlock. I’d like it if people thought it was a bad idea to pick a fight with a warlock, I’m all for people not wanting to pick fights with me. Still, if you don’t like the idea that people might consider warlocks to be in any way formidable, you are going the right way about it.

            It would seem that he has a certain accuracy too, since of all the rambling non-sequiturs he’s come out with, you are indeed picking a fight over something where cracking open a dictionary is all that’s needed to show you have no grounds.

            Of course, he’s not actually such a formidable warrior, either literally or metaphorically. Posturing like this can often be heard among the destitute who will make similar statements in reaction persecutors both real and imaginary. Picking a fight with Sheen over his (still perfectly valid) use of the word warlock is like picking a fight with a mentally-disturbed vagrant because you disliked a single word in their ramblings. If you really find such fights appealing, there are sadly plenty of potential opponents in any city, with no need to add the the enabling that is going on with this particular individual.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

          • http://www.patheos.com/ Star Foster

            But you are using the term warlock as a battle cry as you announced you would work against him. What is the difference between your uses? You have effectively “declared war” on Charlie Sheen. You expressed the intention of using negative magic against him. Your logic fails as much as your discernment does.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

          • http://www.patheos.com/ Star Foster

            Restricting someone’s free will is negative.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

          • http://www.hackcraft.net/ Jon Hanna

            Yep, that’s precisely the difference between Sheen and a mentally disturbed vagrant. Seems to me he needs binding as much as a cripple needs kneecapping.

            Sheen’s use of the word painted it in a negative light solely because he used it in the midst of his manic rants. He was no more insulting to warlocks than he was to tigers, or indeed martians (gotta watch out for that powerful martian lobby!).

            So what? It’s been used in a negative light for over a thousand years. Why on earth bother to pick up on this particular case where nobody will even notice it amongst the “fire-breathing fists” and “tiger blood”?

            I agree with you on the matter of monolithic views of what the “pagan community” should do. I distrust any move towards hegemony in the name of unity. It is among other things why I have defended your use of “warlock” against those who insist that it should only be used as they use it. I don’t even see why so many feel the need to have an opinion on it, but then I’m Wiccan and only really use it as a verb, I just care about good English more than any of it and defend your use as good English. I certainly don’t think you owe me anything; I’m far from Salem and you only really come up here as an example when said arguments about “warlock” come up (but more often Kevin Carlyon is the example people give).

            I do find it ironic that you seem to think Sheen owes you something.

            If you’re going to take him to task for his use of English, why not go after “bi-winning”. What an ugly coinage!

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

          • http://www.hackcraft.net/ Jon Hanna

            Smart enough never to think of myself as “the smart one”, is smart enough :)

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

          • Crandall

            So, because Sheen is famous and all over TV, it was your responsibility to get public and shoot down your perception of what he said, right? Because as a warlock you were affronted by his use of that term and didn’t want the media perpetuating that belief. But there is an entire Pagan community out there that you just represented on TV and you have no responsibility to them whatsoever? Like it or not, people will see you as a representative of Pagans, witches, heathens, etc. As soon as people get upset about what you’ve done, publicly, you get to inform us you aren’t part of Paganism? That you have no responsibility to anyone else but you and Salem? Incidentally, I’ve talked to plenty of Pagans in Salem who aren’t too happy with what you did, as well.

            So a mental case should be corrected because he is famous and could do damage to the warlocks and witches by his comments. But you’ve just made yourself semi-famous (for a bit of time, anyway) and you don’t care what you’ve done to the same people? You only hear the voices of those who agree with you.

            You don’t owe anyone. Do your ritual in private next time and no one will worry about it at all. You know, just between you and whatever beings you are working with. If it has to be on TV, then you’re going to have face a lot more opinions out there, and they may not all be positive ones.

            For non-Pagans, they find the word “warlock” hilarious, having only heard it on Bewitched, they see it as some kind of laughable term about beings that don’t really exist. The same way they, sadly, see “witch” quite often. That’s why people portraying Pagan, witch, etc. kind of views have a responsibility to help educate, not give them more stuff to laugh at.

            It’s natural for all belief systems to want their views to be represented well in the media, especially one as maligned as ours has been.

            I think I’m just going to let it go. I don’t wish you ill, nor do I want anything I have said to come off as a personal attack. I just don’t agree with what you’ve done and feel it has hurt things, but maybe I’ve sold people short and they will see beyond it. I always have hope.

          • http://www.patheos.com/ Star Foster

            That still makes no sense. It’s not offensive in the least. He’s using it in a positive sense. You’re creating something out of nothing, Christian.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

          • Crandall

            Does it matter at all that the guy is crazy? That getting worked up about it in the first place comes off as immature and as if Pagans have nothing better to do?

  • http://twitter.com/ouranophobe C. Áine Pearson

    You can be a cheerleader for a broad, Pan-Pagan community whilst condemning idiocy. Inclusivity != having to accept every instance of gluteal millinery done “in the name of Pagans everywhere!” or whatever.

    It’s perfectly okay to facepalm at this and say, “Christian? Not helping!” … especially when it is, in fact, the exact *opposite* of helping. Heck, I’d go so far as to call it a responsibility.

  • http://twitter.com/ouranophobe Áine

    You can be a cheerleader for a broad, Pan-Pagan community whilst condemning idiocy. Inclusivity != having to accept every instance of gluteal millinery done “in the name of Pagans everywhere!” or whatever.

    It’s perfectly okay to facepalm at this and say, “Christian? Not helping!” … especially when it is, in fact, the exact *opposite* of helping. Heck, I’d go so far as to call it a responsibility.

  • EdthePagan

    Actually this is more than a publicity stunt, It is a attempt to create a gender based and exclusive word into the community that will allow every young male to deny equal rights to women, reintroduce patriarchy by creating male exclusive space. This is a really dangerous place for people who are misogynists in outlook. The introduction of the word Warlock is nothing less than a personal attack on women in our community over the long run.

    • http://www.hackcraft.net/ Jon Hanna

      Really. How’s it going to do that?

    • Matt

      Ed, where exactly are you on record protesting Zusanna Budapest and her women-born-women-only environments? See, without actual gender-equality activism to back you up, this is nothing more than Buzz Speech.

      Wanna know why I say buzz speech? You’re capitolizing on the current political clime, and the idea that most in the pagan and magical communities skew more to the liberal; so you cook up the words “attack on women” because to you that automatically makes something nasty (and, in turn, makes you believable as you’re tapping into something that will rile up a reader, even if they cant put a finger on “why”.)

      Why not go after the Minoan Brotherhood? They’re gay-male-only space, and noone seems to have the slightest shred of problem with that.

      The non-McFarland Dianics? Women only. Around for years. Wanna show me where you’ve railed that its unfair to men? Cause we’ll wait.

      • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

        Great post, Matt. This is all farcical. Let’s face it, I capitalized on Charlie Sheen’s use of the word warlock, which I found offensive, to create a massive platform for my point of view about the word. The entire Witch community in Salem has wisely capitalized on the Puritans’ misuse of the word Witch to transform our city into an educational platform about the Craft. And finally, anyone who actually has my email address and has chosen to publicly criticize me about this rather than privately ask me to stop is doing exactly the same thing with me that I did with Sheen … albeit on a far, far smaller scale. ;)

        • http://twitter.com/ouranophobe Áine

          There’s criticism and there’s engaging in the larger conversation. Ideas are often sparked by witnessing (and reacting to) situations such as this and exploring the larger issues involved. For good or ill, your actions have sparked such a reaction and subsequent conversation. Yes, some of that conversation has involved criticising you. And some of it has involved exploring the larger issue of how to deal with people who seem to be handing the media opportunities to paint the lot of us as whackadoos on the proverbial silver platter, how to distance ourselves from same and how to do so whilst still trying to engage in inclusivity and building a community that goes beyond mere tolerance and outright celebrates or even revels in the rich tapestry of diversity that is the Pagan community. I’d say that there’s value in that latter bit.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            You’re brilliant and you are absolutely right, but I don’t imagine many people see the perspective that you’re talking about there.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Also, I think I’d like to expand on that because you seem quite brilliant. Your point applies to me as well, I think, and here’s how.

            Often, the media will ask me the same tired old question, “why are there Witches in Salem when the puritans of 1692 weren’t really Witches?”

            Depending on how snarky I’m feeling, I’ll sometimes lead with, “well, there’s no Temple Mount in Brooklyn, Jesus didn’t walk the streets of Virginia, and Mohammed didn’t have a harem waiting for him in Detroit.”

            Then, I say, “Salem is more branded with the word Witch than any other place on the planet [frankly, could be a good reason to stick with Witch over Warlock. LOL], and over a million people a year visit, mostly non-Witches, so there is no other place on the planet better suited to build a platform from which to educate to masses of non-Witches who each go home to the various areas of the world in which they live.

            By the same token, when the highest paid person on television uses a word that, at the very same time, I am hoping to see a resurgence of, not taking advantage of the fact that this allows me a platform to show the positives of the word would be foolish. So, you’re using me as a platform to explore the larger issues of media relations, and I’m using Charlie Sheen to explore the larger issues of what it means to be a Warlock. We both have an agenda. If I were a wackadoodle on a silver platter, I can assure you I would not have the financial or political power I have in this city. You can choose to see my presentation that way, but the number of people discussing the pros and cons of Warlock over the last several weeks (including a number of other appearances where i used the word, including Travel Channel’s Ghost Adventures) have shown me differently. You’re hoping to facilitate a discussion based on my interactions, and so am I, so again, it’s six of one, half dozen of the other. We’ve all got something we wanna sell, even if it’s just ideas.

            Blessings,

            Christian

          • Kamryn

            “… I’m using Charlie Sheen to explore the larger issues of what it means to be a Warlock.”

            The key words here seem to be “using Charlie Sheen.”

            “If I were a wackadoodle on a silver platter, I can assure you I would not have the financial or political power I have in this city.”

            ROFL! Oh, please expand on this, because as a Salem taxpayer I’d love to know how my money is being manipulated by someone who isn’t even an elected official.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            I didn’t mean that kind of political my dear. But people do take me seriously in the business community and I am on the board of directors of Salem’s official tourism organization, Destination Salem. Just because you’re part of the “we hate Christian at all costs” club, doesn’t mean the rest of the city is, however you try to paint it that way on this board. And speaking of boards, I was just reelected to that of the tourism group and helped in choosing the new official logo and tagline for Salem. I am personally involved in tourism related decisions as a business owner and if Ed Hubbard couldn’t get me thrown off with his rants, I highly doubt you will. I work hard for this city and, whether you recognize it or not, the major business leaders here do and many of the Witch and metaphysical shops as well. My detractors a rather small but loud minority.

          • Crandall

            I’m just going to make a small observation, Christian. I DO NOT HATE YOU. I don’t even dislike you. I disagree with what you’ve done, but I don’t know you. You’re probably a really fun person with a great personality.

            But how is it that, on this forum, everyone who seems to agree with you is “brilliant” in your replies and everyone who doesn’t is “part of the we hate Christian at all costs club.”? I mean, doesn’t that kind of viewpoint make it kind of hard to grow, if you never listen to anyone who has criticism towards you?

            I don’t know…just sayin’. I’ve learned a lot over the years from people who weren’t necessarily my fans.

          • Crandall

            Incidentally, I liked the new logo. I think you are well-suited to a tourism group because you have pointed out that you are well-versed in selling “something” a good deal of the time. It doesn’t mean I agree with your methods.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            I get it, Crandall. We’re not all going to agree, but there needs to be respect. While people on here are so worried about the Christians and whoever else might “persecute us,” my born again Christian sister called from Florida and loved seeing her little brother on TV. Yet, I had to have the police in my shop because a well-meaning Pagan came into my shop threatening physical violence against my staff and I was not even there. I have older ladies who work for me and this is what the Pagan community is standing for now? Violence against elderly women? This is appalling. The non-Witches could care less what we call ourselves. This is all a tempest in a teacup but it’s bringing out the worst elements WITHIN the magical communities.

            I am PISSED OFF that this has reached the level where Pagans think they can come into my shop and threaten older women. I don’t care if any of you hate me, but for every snipe I see that I dislike, the next radio I do, I take a hit you won’t like. The most recent, in Tampa, I pointed out that the Romans used the term Pagan the way people today say “white trash.” Take all the swipes at me you want folks, but I’ve a wider audience and now, with threats of violence coming from your so-called community directed at elderly women, you’ve pissed me off.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            The next show I do, in about an hour, I will be talking about the Pagan community’s endorsement of violence against elderly women and why I am NOT a Pagan.

          • Crandall

            That’s fine, considering it is a lie. No one endorsed that person to do what they did, anymore than I endorsed you to do what you did.

            I think you’re going to start cutting off your nose to spite your face if you don’t calm down!

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            It is not a lie. The rhetoric on here is inspiring crazy Pagans the same way that Palin inspired laughner. THIS site is hardly an example of it, mind you, but it is out there, and bad, and it is not a lie. I have documented TONS of it from Pagans out there and have it all ready for any court case there is.

            And, for the record, as long as there are muggles and an October in Salem, I don’t NEED the Pagan community, but I WILL NOT have them speaking to such a level of vile rhetoric that crazy people are coming into my shop and threatening the elderly.

          • Crandall

            I think that’s deplorable that someone would come into your store and do that. However, how is taking swipes at the Pagan world publicly supposed to make anything better? That’s nonsense!

            Why punish everyone for what someone chose to do in anger?

            Your logic makes no sense, Christian. I can’t fathom any of it.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Really? No sense? I have to wonder how many left wing Pagans jumped on the Sarah Palin rhetoric bandwagon when Laughner fired his gun. This is no different. While this site has been relatively respectful, and you even moreso, there is a tide out there that is increasingly inspiring of violence and I’m going to talk about it.

            Look, these Pagan keyboard badasses think they’re so wonderful because they can spew your hate on a little message board? Well, at least this week, I’m the most famous practitioner of Witchcraft in the world. I have the podium and I will use it. Do not test my resolve in this matter. Once this has reached the level where some drugged out Pagan junkie threatens me physically on Facebook and then comes into my shop demanding to see me and that he’s gonna show me how it is and there’s a 71 year old woman sitting in the corner, I’ll get Madea (or is that Medea, either works) on your asses.

            I have the microphone babes. You don’t. If this rhetoric isn’t dialed down from the hateful level it’s at, I’m calling it out for exactly what is.

          • Cora

            It’s unexcusable for someone to incite violence, period and to do it against the elderly is horrendous. But for you to threaten the rest of us is unexcusable as well.

            So, you go on TV saying that ALL Pagans are violent ect and a child in school gets the crap beaten out of them for being Pagan because hey! they are violent..they deserve it… are YOU responsible?!

            You’re not Pagan? GREAT. Then STOP speaking for the rest of us. You’re pissed off and you have a right to be pissed at that one person…but the last time I checked, no one went vendeta against ALL of the peopel of Laughner’s beliefs. For you to do that, you’ve PISSED ME OFF.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            The Pagan community giggling behind their screens as the worst of them incite violence against the elderly is despicable. I DO NOT call myself a Pagan on television or radio and NEVER HAVE so I am not speaking for you.

            Either way, THIS tactic worked. The very worst of the stuff that was out there has mysteriously been deleted from Facebook. I cannot stop the TMZ comments, but the worst of it is gone. When momma holds the cookie jar, don’t get upset if your behavior ends up depriving you of a cookie. Right now, I hold all the cards and I WON’T have what happened yesterday in my shop happen again. Again, DO NOT test my resolve in this matter. I don’t care HOW you feel. I care that my elderly friend was threatened by your representatives.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Moreover, the following is my OFFICIAL position, taken from my status message, to be read on every radio show worldwide (and I’ve already done over 50 globally), if I do not see a stop to these attacks, including yours, since you have been among the most vitriolic. The choice is yours babe. You don’t GET to fan the flames of the stake you’re trying to tie me to and then ask me to how ANY of you FEEL. I will use this pulpit however I have to. Do not test my resolve in this matter.

            “Christians everywhere have supported me, but Pagan community pundits have turned up the hateful rhetoric to such a feverish level that the unstable among them have threatened violence. Police were called to HEX because threats were made against me to my staff by an unhinged Pagan with Lori Bruno, 70, present. How is this different than the hatred that inspired the Jared Laughner shootings in AZ?”

            There, I didn’t say ALL pagans. I gave you that small kindness.

            Think I’m kidding, babes? THINK REAL HARD. 95% of the people who shop in my stores or go to my events are MUGGLES or REAL WITCHES with BALLS so I will be one of the world’s most successful Witches whether you boycott me or not. I will use this pulpit I have right now to grind this point into the ground across the world and I will think NOTHING of it. THINK REAL HARD. DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THIS?

            You talk about how *I* represent the Pagan Community yet I am not even Pagan. Your REAL representatives spew HATE and fear. I will NEVER have an elderly year old woman put in fear like that in my shop again. THINK REAL HARD.

            I hope I made my point.

            I’m going to have my lunch.

            Kisses! :)

          • Cora

            “if I do not see a stop to these attacks, including yours, since you have been among the most vitriolic. The choice is yours babe. You don’t GET to fan the flames of the stake you’re trying to tie me to and then ask me to how ANY of you FEEL. I will use this pulpit however I have to. Do not test my resolve in this matter.”

            Seriously?! How the HELL have I been attacking you? I simply stated that people within a community have the responsibilty to keep each other safe …including children for pete’s sake!… and asked you to please think about your public actions and how that affects private people.

            You don’t care. And now you are WARNING and THREATENING ME??? Christian, if ANYTHING happens to ANY Pagan because of your hateful words, it’s YOUR FAULT alone.

            I don’t have REAL represenatives beyond my ownself. No one speaks for me but me. I’ve never endorsed violence against anyone and I never will… but you’ve now crossed the line by using these threats that can jepordize the safety of so many.

            I am beyond sick and appalled.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Whatever.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            I suggest you find something useful to do, like review some of your own vitriol, and perhaps even scour Facebook and see if there’s anyone you can find posting same and convince them that their hatred is inspiring violence against the elderly.

            I have a radio show in about a half hour in New York City. What’s that, a city of about 10 million people? Tik tok tik tok tik tok.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            And this whole safety thing is a ridiculous argument. I have a bullseye on my face larger than any of you and not ONE right wing Christian has sent me hate mail. This is just farcical. The only people attacking me are Pagans.

          • Cora

            Spell it out to me in black and white how anything I’ve said endorses violence. Show me ONE thing that I’ve said to you that a crazy person would take as “it’s okay to attack the elderly”.

            I never have. What you take as “attacks” and “endorement of violence” by me is not there. All I’ve asked and raised concern about is safety… how silly of me for being concerned for others… must stop that so people don’t think my concern is calling for violence.

            Why are you still threatening? Like you said, there’s no real danger to anyone’s safety… go ahead and spew hate…that’s on your hands not mine. I’ll continue speaking against your behaviour as I won’t be bullied into silence.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            The level of hatred coming out in these posts–and yours is actually on the nicer end of the bunch–are off the hook. Just because you aren’t saying “commit violence,” well, neither was Sarah Palin and 90% of the lefties blamed her for Laughner, but it’s the incivility of the rhetoric.

            It matters not. Don’t be silent, but then neither you nor anyone else is going to bully me into silence either, and that’s exactly what you’ve been trying to do by being so utterly vicious. Isn’t it interesting how that works both ways?

            But the question you need to ask yourselves is this: what is the level of your platform versus mine? How many are going to hear your critiques versus how many are going to hear mine? I’ve gotten three reality show TV offers in four days. I could craft whole episodes around the problems of neo-paganism. So, scream and screech all you want, but I won’t be silent either. You accuse me of bullying as you yourself continue to try to bully me into silence. So, say whatever you need to … but so will I. :)

          • Cora

            Christian, your ego is so large it is a wonder that the weight hasn’t crushed you. I don’t care how many reality TV show offers you’ve gotten. I don’t care how many radio shows you call into. None of it impresses me, none of it matters to me. It’s not important.

            I’ve never been vicious to you…that’s in your head. I’ve been polite while you have been very flippant and rude. I’ve never bullied you nor tried to silence you.

            This new tacit of trying to threaten me and “throwing your weight” around is an all time moral low. You need to check yourself before you wreak yourself… because Christian, from where I am sitting, Charlie Sheen ain’t the only train wreck on the tracks.

            You want to go on every media circuit and start blasting Neo-Paganism? Be my guest. You thinking that you can hold an entire religion (of which I am not a member of) hostage to your whims shows just how lost with reality you have become.

            I’m done with you and your childish behaviour. I’m done with your needing a scapegoat and randomly pointing your finger to blame others. You want to blame some one? Take a good long hard look in the mirror. It started with you and your insane need for attention.

          • Glinda

            Christian Christian Christian…. I have been quietly watching/listening/reading this all unfolding this past week, and listening to a lot of negative grumblings within our pagan groups (some of members are in Salem and most are out here in the burbs) yet still feeling supportive of you and your reasons/approach/defenses because my heart told me so… this last post has me swaying. I think you need to get away from all of this before it sways you too… take a break.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Glinda, it is not grumbling when a 71 year old woman is put in fear of her life. My Born again big sister drove Bush voters to the polls. She doesn’t believe that women should be pastors. She is so right I don’t even know how we can talk, but she thought it was great that her little brother was on TV. Christians don’t care about this. I am the most famous practitioner of Witchcraft in the world right now and not a single Christian has tried to persecute me and only one Christian radio show host even tried to call me on practicing Witchcraft and did so kindly. So if they aren’t out there persecuting the biggest bullseye, why do you all think you’re going to get shot at? No, the violence is not coming from the Christians. It’s coming from the pagans and the police report on my desk at HEX is proof of it.

            Make no mistake about it. I appreciate your kindness and support, but I don’t care if the entire Pagan community sways when it comes to protecting Lori Bruno, a 71 year old women, violence and some of the vitriol out there (and again, NOT here or the Wild Hunt–they are tame by comparison) has been inspiring the very threats of violence that brought police to my shop yesterday. I won’t allow it. I won’t. And I don’t care who “sways.” As long as there are muggles and an October in Salem, I don’t NEED the Pagan community. What I need is Lori Bruno and my staff, mostly women, to be free from the violence that the hateful rhetoric on the part of some in the Pagan community is inspiring. At the end of the day, I’ll still be successful and I’ll still have the loudest voice. If people want to sway me, they should start calling some of the more vicious miscreants on their words, because I have continuously offered history, scholarship, and research behind my stances and positions and the bulk of what I’m getting in return is crass rudeness and even threats of violence. I can handle it. Believe me. But I won’t have Lori Bruno subjected to that when she’s 71 and worked this hard all her life. As I said, and I mean it, DO NOT test my resolve in this matter. You will not win.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            My official statements from here on out, will be on my Facebook. If people want to see what I have to say, they can go there. Oh, and I’d definitely recommend reading Lori Bruno’s statement on this, pasted from Facebook:

            Lori Bruno
            Dr. Leo Martello’s last words to me before dying were, “A pox on the Pagan community,” said because Pagans weren’t living up to their potential and were bashing their own people. If recent hateful words by Pagan community members, especially by the miscreant Ed Hubbard, towards the Strega path of mine and Leo’s family is any sign, they still aren’t living up to it and so I say, may Leo’s words ring true upon you.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            I’ll be a little nice. I’ll use “many.” This will be my official radio statement. “I am not a Pagan, but, while Christians throughout America have been so supportive of my right to my faith and choice of titles, many in the neo-Pagan community have ratcheted up the hateful rhetoric against me to such a feverish level, that the truly crazy among them have begun to take violent action. Police were called to my shop yesterday because physical threats were made against me to my employee by a Pagan who came into the shop who was obviously unhinged. There was an elderly woman working in the shop at the time who was very afraid. How is this any different than the harsh rhetoric that inspired Jared Laughner to commit his own crimes in Arizona? It seems near to reaching that level.”

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Moreover, while YOU have been calm, some of the Pagan rhetoric out there is SO over the top, that they are encouraging the truly unstable in the Pagan community to do things like threaten physical violence in the presence of elderly women. This is NO DIFFERENT than the type of rhetoric that the media accused Sarah Palin and others of employing that inspired Jared Laughner towards his own crimes. This is simply no different and I will be drawing this correlation about the Pagan community on any radio shows I do from now on, and there are many. I am NOT a Pagan and your community is inspiring violence now with its rhetoric.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            I’m not going to go on with this conversation though. It’s sorta pointless. At the end of it all, you’ll still be hating me and I’ll still be doing everything I’m already doing. If my being in Salem makes you so unhappy, move. I’m certainly not going anywhere. :)

        • Crandall

          I don’t agree. You capitalized on a sick man’s public meltdown, which to me is questionable in the first place, to push your own issues. You freely admit that. I see the witch community having taken a very sad situation with the Puritan Christian-mania in Salem and turned it into an opportunity to educate. The motivations are very different, there. Of course, many people who set up in Salem are not about education, but making money, so there could be some side-arguments about the moral goodness of that right there. But I love Salem and love to visit shops and have a good time, so I guess I help perpetuate that situation.

          I never had your private email, and had never really heard of you before all of this. When I saw posts by you, it was just easier to reply to the points you made here. I’m not going on TV to publicize my posts to you and make our discussion known to everyone, so it’s not really the same thing as what you admit you did.

          The non-Pagan/witchy world frankly has just spend about ten minutes laughing at us during all this, solidifying in their minds what crackpots people who call themselves witches are, and going on with their lives. They aren’t following this story, because they don’t care. So that’s what they carried away from all of this, and that’s what disturbed me.

          As for “warlock”, I could care less if it’s used or not. The only people who are listening to your pleas about this term are the Pagans/witches, because the rest of the belief systems have already laughed it all off as a joke. But they remember what your ritual looked like for the moment they saw it on TV, and how you got all up in arms over a person like Charlie Sheen.

  • EdthePagan

    Actually this is more than a publicity stunt, It is a attempt to create a gender based and exclusive word into the community that will allow every young male to deny equal rights to women, reintroduce patriarchy by creating male exclusive space. This is a really dangerous place for people who are misogynists in outlook. The introduction of the word Warlock is nothing less than a personal attack on women in our community over the long run.

    • http://www.hackcraft.net/ Jon Hanna

      Really. How’s it going to do that?

    • Matt

      Ed, where exactly are you on record protesting Zusanna Budapest and her women-born-women-only environments? See, without actual gender-equality activism to back you up, this is nothing more than Buzz Speech.

      Wanna know why I say buzz speech? You’re capitolizing on the current political clime, and the idea that most in the pagan and magical communities skew more to the liberal; so you cook up the words “attack on women” because to you that automatically makes something nasty (and, in turn, makes you believable as you’re tapping into something that will rile up a reader, even if they cant put a finger on “why”.)

      Why not go after the Minoan Brotherhood? They’re gay-male-only space, and noone seems to have the slightest shred of problem with that.

      The non-McFarland Dianics? Women only. Around for years. Wanna show me where you’ve railed that its unfair to men? Cause we’ll wait.

      • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

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        • http://twitter.com/ouranophobe Áine

          There’s criticism and there’s engaging in the larger conversation. Ideas are often sparked by witnessing (and reacting to) situations such as this and exploring the larger issues involved. For good or ill, your actions have sparked such a reaction and subsequent conversation. Yes, some of that conversation has involved criticising you. And some of it has involved exploring the larger issue of how to deal with people who seem to be handing the media opportunities to paint the lot of us as whackadoos on the proverbial silver platter, how to distance ourselves from same and how to do so whilst still trying to engage in inclusivity and building a community that goes beyond mere tolerance and outright celebrates or even revels in the rich tapestry of diversity that is the Pagan community. I’d say that there’s value in that latter bit.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

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          • Kamryn

            “… I’m using Charlie Sheen to explore the larger issues of what it means to be a Warlock.”

            The key words here seem to be “using Charlie Sheen.”

            “If I were a wackadoodle on a silver platter, I can assure you I would not have the financial or political power I have in this city.”

            ROFL! Oh, please expand on this, because as a Salem taxpayer I’d love to know how my money is being manipulated by someone who isn’t even an elected official.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

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          • Crandall

            I’m just going to make a small observation, Christian. I DO NOT HATE YOU. I don’t even dislike you. I disagree with what you’ve done, but I don’t know you. You’re probably a really fun person with a great personality.

            But how is it that, on this forum, everyone who seems to agree with you is “brilliant” in your replies and everyone who doesn’t is “part of the we hate Christian at all costs club.”? I mean, doesn’t that kind of viewpoint make it kind of hard to grow, if you never listen to anyone who has criticism towards you?

            I don’t know…just sayin’. I’ve learned a lot over the years from people who weren’t necessarily my fans.

          • Crandall

            Incidentally, I liked the new logo. I think you are well-suited to a tourism group because you have pointed out that you are well-versed in selling “something” a good deal of the time. It doesn’t mean I agree with your methods.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

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          • Crandall

            That’s fine, considering it is a lie. No one endorsed that person to do what they did, anymore than I endorsed you to do what you did.

            I think you’re going to start cutting off your nose to spite your face if you don’t calm down!

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

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          • Crandall

            I think that’s deplorable that someone would come into your store and do that. However, how is taking swipes at the Pagan world publicly supposed to make anything better? That’s nonsense!

            Why punish everyone for what someone chose to do in anger?

            Your logic makes no sense, Christian. I can’t fathom any of it.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

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          • Cora

            It’s unexcusable for someone to incite violence, period and to do it against the elderly is horrendous. But for you to threaten the rest of us is unexcusable as well.

            So, you go on TV saying that ALL Pagans are violent ect and a child in school gets the crap beaten out of them for being Pagan because hey! they are violent..they deserve it… are YOU responsible?!

            You’re not Pagan? GREAT. Then STOP speaking for the rest of us. You’re pissed off and you have a right to be pissed at that one person…but the last time I checked, no one went vendeta against ALL of the peopel of Laughner’s beliefs. For you to do that, you’ve PISSED ME OFF.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

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          • Cora

            “if I do not see a stop to these attacks, including yours, since you have been among the most vitriolic. The choice is yours babe. You don’t GET to fan the flames of the stake you’re trying to tie me to and then ask me to how ANY of you FEEL. I will use this pulpit however I have to. Do not test my resolve in this matter.”

            Seriously?! How the HELL have I been attacking you? I simply stated that people within a community have the responsibilty to keep each other safe …including children for pete’s sake!… and asked you to please think about your public actions and how that affects private people.

            You don’t care. And now you are WARNING and THREATENING ME??? Christian, if ANYTHING happens to ANY Pagan because of your hateful words, it’s YOUR FAULT alone.

            I don’t have REAL represenatives beyond my ownself. No one speaks for me but me. I’ve never endorsed violence against anyone and I never will… but you’ve now crossed the line by using these threats that can jepordize the safety of so many.

            I am beyond sick and appalled.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

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          • Cora

            Spell it out to me in black and white how anything I’ve said endorses violence. Show me ONE thing that I’ve said to you that a crazy person would take as “it’s okay to attack the elderly”.

            I never have. What you take as “attacks” and “endorement of violence” by me is not there. All I’ve asked and raised concern about is safety… how silly of me for being concerned for others… must stop that so people don’t think my concern is calling for violence.

            Why are you still threatening? Like you said, there’s no real danger to anyone’s safety… go ahead and spew hate…that’s on your hands not mine. I’ll continue speaking against your behaviour as I won’t be bullied into silence.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

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          • Cora

            Christian, your ego is so large it is a wonder that the weight hasn’t crushed you. I don’t care how many reality TV show offers you’ve gotten. I don’t care how many radio shows you call into. None of it impresses me, none of it matters to me. It’s not important.

            I’ve never been vicious to you…that’s in your head. I’ve been polite while you have been very flippant and rude. I’ve never bullied you nor tried to silence you.

            This new tacit of trying to threaten me and “throwing your weight” around is an all time moral low. You need to check yourself before you wreak yourself… because Christian, from where I am sitting, Charlie Sheen ain’t the only train wreck on the tracks.

            You want to go on every media circuit and start blasting Neo-Paganism? Be my guest. You thinking that you can hold an entire religion (of which I am not a member of) hostage to your whims shows just how lost with reality you have become.

            I’m done with you and your childish behaviour. I’m done with your needing a scapegoat and randomly pointing your finger to blame others. You want to blame some one? Take a good long hard look in the mirror. It started with you and your insane need for attention.

          • Glinda

            Christian Christian Christian…. I have been quietly watching/listening/reading this all unfolding this past week, and listening to a lot of negative grumblings within our pagan groups (some of members are in Salem and most are out here in the burbs) yet still feeling supportive of you and your reasons/approach/defenses because my heart told me so… this last post has me swaying. I think you need to get away from all of this before it sways you too… take a break.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

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        • Crandall

          I don’t agree. You capitalized on a sick man’s public meltdown, which to me is questionable in the first place, to push your own issues. You freely admit that. I see the witch community having taken a very sad situation with the Puritan Christian-mania in Salem and turned it into an opportunity to educate. The motivations are very different, there. Of course, many people who set up in Salem are not about education, but making money, so there could be some side-arguments about the moral goodness of that right there. But I love Salem and love to visit shops and have a good time, so I guess I help perpetuate that situation.

          I never had your private email, and had never really heard of you before all of this. When I saw posts by you, it was just easier to reply to the points you made here. I’m not going on TV to publicize my posts to you and make our discussion known to everyone, so it’s not really the same thing as what you admit you did.

          The non-Pagan/witchy world frankly has just spend about ten minutes laughing at us during all this, solidifying in their minds what crackpots people who call themselves witches are, and going on with their lives. They aren’t following this story, because they don’t care. So that’s what they carried away from all of this, and that’s what disturbed me.

          As for “warlock”, I could care less if it’s used or not. The only people who are listening to your pleas about this term are the Pagans/witches, because the rest of the belief systems have already laughed it all off as a joke. But they remember what your ritual looked like for the moment they saw it on TV, and how you got all up in arms over a person like Charlie Sheen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/crystalscryer John Allee

    Let me say first of all that, as a former resident of Salem, I was calling myself both a warlock and a Satanist about forty years before Mr. Day decided to. I like to think that I’ve somehow had a positive (or shall I say negative?) influence upon him, like passing the baton to a new generation of evildoers. LOL

    But seriously, we’ve known each other for some time and despite my decadent history, I actually find myself agreeing with Star Foster all the way down the line, at least from an ethical viewpoint! Let me state clearly that, yes, this is a publicity stunt, but in my opinion, it’s a calculated risk Christian is taking. I believe he is expecting a backlash from the pagan community, but his customer base is not mainly those who identify themselves with the witch or pagan community. In this case, the old saying, “No publicity is bad publicity” does apply.

    On the other hand, he will definitely make his enemies in Salem all that more determined to undermine his success. A few times in the past, Mr. Day has taken similar risks with mixed results, for example, do you remember the vampire ball poster fiasco? http://www.festivalofthedead.com/media/04/salemnews_bedeviledbyvampireballposters.html Some people are saying that this time, Christian has bitten off more than he can chew, but that remains to be seen…

    • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

      Yes it does, John. I haven’t lost a bet yet. The vampire ball got my foot in the door here in Salem’s community of tourism power players, which is exactly what it was designed to do. I am now the first and only Witch that this city had ever accepted on the board of directors of its official tourism organization. I find it incredulous that I am somehow making “us” (whoever us is) look bad when, frankly, every time I put myself out there, the non-Witches like me more. So this isn’t about how we look to non-Witches. This is about who gets to put out the messages and some don’t like my message. That changes nothing in my mind. Never in my years of working in corporate America did I ever had someone come up to me and say “I don’t like you because I saw some Witch on TV and she was crazy.” Moreover, I’ve never really had a problem being liked by non-Witches. Ever. My problem is usually with Pagans who feel that the messages being put out there should be as sanitary and safe as possible so they’ll be “liked.” Have some of these people who feel they aren’t liked because I exist in the world ever given thought to the idea that maybe people just don’t like them? Laurie Cabot, Lori Bruno, Lorelei, and I are by far the four most popular Witches in Salem, especially with the non-Witches, and we’re by far the most dramatic so I think this is all about finding something to complain about.

      As far as I see it, Paganism as it is today is largely an offshoot of Gardnerian Wicca and its offshoots, not the other way around. I do not consider myself a Pagan really. It sometimes works as an effective word to communicate but I’m always uncomfortable with it, much like I am with the word religion.

      All this ranting they’re doing also has nothing to do with changing my message. Logic dictates quite strongly that if the ranters wanted to do that, they’d have called. My dear friends in the broader Witch community, many of them top Witch and Wiccan authors who have been on HEX Education, my radio show on Wednesday nights, largely have no problem with my efforts. Those who have a critique or two, or who would prefer I shift some of my message, email or call me, and if they do put something out there public that has an element of critique (like the fabulous Peg Aloi), the commentary is neither histrionic or steeped in hyperbole. So if the goal is not to change my message, what is the goal? Could as simple as someone just loving the sight of reading his or her own words? It certainly seems that way. The people who wanted to take part in crafting my message did so. The people writing the review blurbs for my forthcoming book reads like a who’s who of modern Witchcraft and the paranormal. The naysayers are going to be aghast when they see how many of those who have influenced their own practices have stood by mine.

      Coming as I do from over a decade in advertising agencies and marketing firms. All these attacks are actually raising my profile. If people really don’t want to see me or Fiona Horne out there, they’re going about it the wrong way. So many times over my career, I have literally spelled out how to destroy me, right on blogs like this, in a strange sort of Russian Roulette that I play, and they never do. Here it is again. Every time you talk about me, it raises my visibility and allows me to put my point of view out there. I’ve been contacted by three reality show production companies in three days, wanting to explore giving me a weekly show. Wanna know what sealed the deal? Not just the stories. But all the comments everyone is making. People feel like I’m a controversy magnet and that everyone wants to talk about me (which means ratings) so if the Pagan community stopped talking about me, I would probably not stand a chance at a show. Why would I actually tell people that all they have to do is stop talking about me and I will vanish? Because I know they can’t. And they can’t because this has more to do with the power to feel indignant than any actual commentary on what I’m saying.

      Frankly, there there isn’t a person in the Pagan community who speaks publicly that isn’t criticized in some way or another. I live in Salem where many Witches and pagans visit, and I’ve heard horrible things about all of the leaders out there, even safer ones like Selena Fox, who I respect greatly even if we differ in many ways. People will attack even her because, well, they’re not where she is. As for Fiona Horne, if there are really many Pagan out there more talented than her (rock star, author, scuba diver, skydiver, pilot, yoga instructor), I’d love to be their friend.

      As for those who actually want to help me craft my message, be part of how I interact with the media, I’m on Facebook. Friend me. Communicate with me. Figure out what my message is before I deliver it and maybe I’ll listen. Maybe I won’t. But nobody ever got anywhere with me ranting about me on the internet. All they really achieved is the privilege of being able to read over the posts over and over and giggle at their wittiness. Well, if that does it for you. I know it does it for me sometimes, but then I leave this board and the next place I’m appearing is some major news source while most of the ranters are still on blogs. If people spent more time crafting their own message than worrying about mine, they might actually be contacted more often.

      • Cora

        Some of us don’t care about being contacted by the media with offers of fame. Some of don’t need to see our names splashed across media outlets. Some of us don’t bow down to the Almighty Dollar. Some of us just want to live quiet lives free of Witch-war drama.

        I am not a Witch, Wiccan, Neo-Pagan, nor New-Ager. I do not practice any form of Magick, Spell-work, ritual, or Witchcraft. I feel no need to. I am a Polytheist: a devotee to the Gods. It’s as simple and complex as that.

        My concern is this: with all the media hype around your brand of “Witchcraft” (which is pandered to non-Witches who don’t know any better all for the benefit of you making money) the public doesn’t understand where the line is drawn in the sand between what you are selling and what I am living.

        There’s been some talk about Community and what each of us owes to that collective Community. What we owe each other is safety and it goes something like this:

        You publically announcing that you are going to Bind Sheen is a risk you are not only taking for yourself but for all of us (children included). Why? Most of the public don’t understand what Binding is…they see it as a “hex” of some sort. So, the Gods forbid you go ahead with another publicity stunt just to bring more fame to yourself and something terrible happens to Sheen (purely coincidental). The public backlash could be horrendous. And not to just you, but to all of us…even to us that knows the line in the sand that divides us is miles away.

        That is the responsibility you owe to your Community: no matter how much you lust after fame, you have a responsibility not to cause harm to us.

        • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

          Yep. That’s really going to change my tact. Yep. :)

        • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

          The more you tell me I owe you, the less I feel I do. *sigh*

          • Cora

            That’s actually very saddening. I really don’t know if you honestly don’t care what harm you may cause to others or if this is part of your “public personna” but I find the disconnect sorrowful.

            You don’t owe me anything. I am not one of the people who could potenially be harmed by you as I don’t ascribe to any of the labels you put on yourself… we are not cut from the same cloth. But I am concerned about the backlash people may get if something happens to Sheen and the media wants a scapegoat and another “story”.

            You don’t care? That’s fine, that’s your right… but what a shame.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            I don’t care when you come across like that. It’s as simple as that. Your approach is lousy. Sorry.

        • http://twitter.com/thesilverspiral Naya Aerodiode

          And that is why I shun the “Pagan Community.” I don’t owe anyone anything other than those to whom I have given oaths. At the core of the Craft is the independence of the individual spirit, to act in a manner that she sees fit, answerable only to herself and her gods. Without full commitment to one’s own free will and the truth of one’s own vision, one’s magick is going to be weak, if extant at all. Community and all of its demands – demands from faceless hoards on the internet such as yourself to behave in certain ways seeks to erode the individual might that defines a Witch.

          Do YOUR will, and yours alone, and do not think to impose that will on anyone else. It isn’t your place. Distance yourself from those you don’t like, draw close to those you do, but don’t expect that another owes it to you to change a stance on something he thinks is important. Day is following his will. Why aren’t you?

          • Cora

            Again, I am *not* a Witch of any sort so speaking about oaths, the Craft, and what defines a Witch has nothing to do with me.

            I believe in Community and I guess the two of you believe in every person for themselves. That’s fine. But take two seconds and think about other people you may be affecting before going off on another fame whoring tanget.

            And, Naya, I do follow my will… again, you didn’t really read what I wrote. I live by what I believe and I speak what I believe. The difference is, I believe in a quiet life where I think of others.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            I believe very strongly in community. That’s why I love Salem and the people I see every day. THAT is my community.

          • http://twitter.com/thesilverspiral Naya Aerodiode

            Here’s a piece of advice. Next time someone says, “Oh my, that naughty Christian Day, threatening bindings and curses,” all you have to say is, “I am not like him and do not associate with him.” See, it’s easy and you don’t have to push your will onto other people to do it.

            I do not associate with “community.” To me, it’s just a moniker for a bunch of busybodies who want to tell others how they should behave, how they should do things, and ultimately curtail the power in their own practice. (Kind of like how you just did, by telling others they shouldn’t go “fame whoring.”)

            I think Day had a very good reason (not that my opinion matters here – only his does) for what he did. He took an opportunity and went with it. He didn’t have to consult anyone first. He’s a witch, and therefore answerable to himself, those he has given oath to, and his gods. Community is an attempt for other people to attempt to add in, “And us” to that list. And when a witch says, “Sure, I’m answerable to you, too,” she has thrown away all of her power and will spend the rest of her life tiptoeing around to make sure she doesn’t offend someone in “the Community.” What a way to toss your magick right out the window.

            I don’t care what you are or are not. Even other witches (other than oathmates) do not have the right to tell me what to do. A complete stranger on the internet has very little place in determining my actions. I know YOU are not a witch, and might not understand that need for solidarity-in-self, but as someone who uses magick every day, I know the importance of staying true to one’s vision and not being pushed around by the desires of the great swaths of people who think they have some inherent claim over my will because they happen to think they’re standing under the same umbrella as me.

          • http://twitter.com/thesilverspiral Naya Aerodiode

            People are way too worried about what the media thinks. I have been practicing my Craft since before that delightful Hollywood movie came out which had everyone thinking we’re a bunch of vengeful goth girls. I’ve never been fired from a job over it, lost business, had my house vandalized, or anything else – because I keep my practice where it belongs: to myself. The public can’t backlash against something they don’t even realize is there.

            So, are you going about like Oberon Zell, shopping at the market in your robes and pointy hat (or whatever your equivalent of that is in your particular spot under the umbrella) and worried someone might say, “Hey, that evil person is in league with that warlock who threatened Charlie Sheen! BURN HER!” Hey, if that’s your will, do it, but don’t blame someone else for your lack of good judgment.

            I find the increasing importance people place on what others think to be disappointing. Most of the public doesn’t really give a damn about what pagans do. Most of them are too caught up in their own lives to care. Too much focus on the external means less time to focus on the internal.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            The Craft brought tens of thousands of people into, well, The Craft. LOL

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            That just summed up my feelings on this so perfectly. hugs

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            I just love when they say “you don’t speak for the Pagan community!” Who does? Is there anyone that hasn’t been criticized? So many Wiccans, Pagans, WItches, and what have you come to Salem and to my shop throughout the year and there isn’t a single one of the public pagans out there that haven’t been bashed in my presence, even the safer ones like Adler and Fox. I’m not a Pagan. Paganism is an offshoot of Wicca, which is an offshoot of Witchcraft. It’s not my bag and I certainly don’t owe them anything. I owe MY community and the only way to be part of that is to be respectful. Otherwise, you just don’t factor into my equation.

    • Crandall

      I agree about the publicity. I am planning on my second trip to Salem this year, and for non-Pagans this whole argument is pretty much nonexistent to them. I dislike the idea of them carrying away Christian’s ritual as representative of all Pagans, knowing how the public loves to generalize, but tourism for Salem will probably not be hurt and may even increase. Because let’s face it, Halloween is fun and people come there to have fun and get a little history, take home a souvenir or two, etc.

      I’m not enemy of Christian, but I do think it is beneficial for anyone to 1) listen to their critics sometimes, and not just those who agree. and 2) Realize that when you take things to the public, you are no longer just representing yourself quite often, especially when you are involved in something that is part of the minority.

      I just hope it all shakes out well in the end.

  • http://www.facebook.com/crystalscryer John Allee

    Let me say first of all that, as a former resident of Salem, I was calling myself both a warlock and a Satanist about forty years before Mr. Day decided to. I like to think that I’ve somehow had a positive (or shall I say negative?) influence upon him, like passing the baton to a new generation of evildoers. LOL

    But seriously, Christian and I have known each other for some time and despite my decadent history, I actually find myself agreeing with Star Foster all the way down the line, at least from an ethical viewpoint! Let me state clearly that, yes, this is a publicity stunt, but in my opinion, it’s a calculated risk Christian is taking. I believe he is expecting a backlash from the pagan community, but his customer base is not mainly those who identify themselves with the witch or pagan community. In this case, the old saying, “No publicity is bad publicity” does apply.

    On the other hand, he will definitely make his enemies in Salem all that more determined to undermine his success. A few times in the past, Mr. Day has taken similar risks with mixed results, for example, do you remember the vampire ball poster fiasco? http://www.festivalofthedead.com/media/04/salemnews_bedeviledbyvampireballposters.html Some people are saying that this time, Christian has bitten off more than he can chew, but that remains to be seen…

    • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

      Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

      • Cora

        Some of us don’t care about being contacted by the media with offers of fame. Some of don’t need to see our names splashed across media outlets. Some of us don’t bow down to the Almighty Dollar. Some of us just want to live quiet lives free of Witch-war drama.

        I am not a Witch, Wiccan, Neo-Pagan, nor New-Ager. I do not practice any form of Magick, Spell-work, ritual, or Witchcraft. I feel no need to. I am a Polytheist: a devotee to the Gods. It’s as simple and complex as that.

        My concern is this: with all the media hype around your brand of “Witchcraft” (which is pandered to non-Witches who don’t know any better all for the benefit of you making money) the public doesn’t understand where the line is drawn in the sand between what you are selling and what I am living.

        There’s been some talk about Community and what each of us owes to that collective Community. What we owe each other is safety and it goes something like this:

        You publically announcing that you are going to Bind Sheen is a risk you are not only taking for yourself but for all of us (children included). Why? Most of the public don’t understand what Binding is…they see it as a “hex” of some sort. So, the Gods forbid you go ahead with another publicity stunt just to bring more fame to yourself and something terrible happens to Sheen (purely coincidental). The public backlash could be horrendous. And not to just you, but to all of us…even to us that knows the line in the sand that divides us is miles away.

        That is the responsibility you owe to your Community: no matter how much you lust after fame, you have a responsibility not to cause harm to us.

        • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

          Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

        • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

          Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

          • Cora

            That’s actually very saddening. I really don’t know if you honestly don’t care what harm you may cause to others or if this is part of your “public personna” but I find the disconnect sorrowful.

            You don’t owe me anything. I am not one of the people who could potenially be harmed by you as I don’t ascribe to any of the labels you put on yourself… we are not cut from the same cloth. But I am concerned about the backlash people may get if something happens to Sheen and the media wants a scapegoat and another “story”.

            You don’t care? That’s fine, that’s your right… but what a shame.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

        • http://twitter.com/thesilverspiral Naya Aerodiode

          And that is why I shun the “Pagan Community.” I don’t owe anyone anything other than those to whom I have given oaths. At the core of the Craft is the independence of the individual spirit, to act in a manner that she sees fit, answerable only to herself and her gods. Without full commitment to one’s own free will and the truth of one’s own vision, one’s magick is going to be weak, if extant at all. Community and all of its demands – demands from faceless hoards on the internet such as yourself to behave in certain ways seeks to erode the individual might that defines a Witch.

          Do YOUR will, and yours alone, and do not think to impose that will on anyone else. It isn’t your place. Distance yourself from those you don’t like, draw close to those you do, but don’t expect that another owes it to you to change a stance on something he thinks is important. Day is following his will. Why aren’t you?

          • Cora

            Again, I am *not* a Witch of any sort so speaking about oaths, the Craft, and what defines a Witch has nothing to do with me.

            I believe in Community and I guess the two of you believe in every person for themselves. That’s fine. But take two seconds and think about other people you may be affecting before going off on another fame whoring tanget.

            And, Naya, I do follow my will… again, you didn’t really read what I wrote. I live by what I believe and I speak what I believe. The difference is, I believe in a quiet life where I think of others.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

          • http://twitter.com/thesilverspiral Naya Aerodiode

            Here’s a piece of advice. Next time someone says, “Oh my, that naughty Christian Day, threatening bindings and curses,” all you have to say is, “I am not like him and do not associate with him.” See, it’s easy and you don’t have to push your will onto other people to do it.

            I do not associate with “community.” To me, it’s just a moniker for a bunch of busybodies who want to tell others how they should behave, how they should do things, and ultimately curtail the power in their own practice. (Kind of like how you just did, by telling others they shouldn’t go “fame whoring.”)

            I think Day had a very good reason (not that my opinion matters here – only his does) for what he did. He took an opportunity and went with it. He didn’t have to consult anyone first. He’s a witch, and therefore answerable to himself, those he has given oath to, and his gods. Community is an attempt for other people to add in, “And us” to that list. And when a witch says, “Sure, I’m answerable to you, too,” she has thrown away all of her power and will spend the rest of her life tiptoeing around to make sure she doesn’t offend someone in “the Community.” What a way to toss your magick right out the window.

            I don’t care what you are or are not. Even other witches (other than oathmates) do not have the right to tell me what to do. A complete stranger on the internet has no place in determining my actions. I know you are not a witch, and might not understand that need for solidarity-in-self, but as someone who uses magick every day, I know the importance of staying true to one’s vision and not being pushed around by the desires of the great swaths of people who think they have some inherent claim over my will because they think they’re standing under the same umbrella as me.

          • http://twitter.com/thesilverspiral Naya Aerodiode

            People are way too worried about what the media thinks. I have been practicing my Craft since before that delightful Hollywood movie came out which had everyone thinking we’re a bunch of vengeful goth girls. I’ve never been fired from a job over it, lost business, had my house vandalized, or anything else – because I keep my practice where it belongs: to myself. The public can’t backlash against something they don’t even realize is there.

            So, are you going about like Oberon Zell, shopping at the market in your robes and pointy hat (or whatever your equivalent of that is in your particular spot under the umbrella) and worried someone might say, “Hey, that evil person is in league with that warlock who threatened Charlie Sheen! BURN HER!” Hey, if that’s your will, do it, but don’t blame someone else for your lack of good judgment.

            I find the increasing importance people place on what others think to be disappointing. Most of the public doesn’t really give a damn about what pagans do. Most of them are too caught up in their own lives to care. Too much focus on the external means less time to focus on the internal.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

            Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

          • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

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    • Crandall

      I agree about the publicity. I am planning on my second trip to Salem this year, and for non-Pagans this whole argument is pretty much nonexistent to them. I dislike the idea of them carrying away Christian’s ritual as representative of all Pagans, knowing how the public loves to generalize, but tourism for Salem will probably not be hurt and may even increase. Because let’s face it, Halloween is fun and people come there to have fun and get a little history, take home a souvenir or two, etc.

      I’m not enemy of Christian, but I do think it is beneficial for anyone to 1) listen to their critics sometimes, and not just those who agree. and 2) Realize that when you take things to the public, you are no longer just representing yourself quite often, especially when you are involved in something that is part of the minority.

      I just hope it all shakes out well in the end.

  • Morgueanna1313

    Warlock? LOL What is this BEWITCHED ?? Both Shameless Attention Tarts In my book

    • Kamryn

      You’ve hit on it perfectly, Morgueanna. Christian Day is a tired old tart who’s been hanging around the Salem community for years, trying desperately to displace Laurie Cabot. I doubt that he’s honestly interested in “educatiing” anyone about witchcraft, paganism or anything else (he refers to Wiccans as “Wicca-poos who can’t handle his ancestral magic.”) What he IS interested in is becoming famous and using the cover of witchcraft as his vehicle.

      His latest shtick is calling himself a “warlock,” something he originally came up with because he wanted to shock and offend the local witches, hoping to ramp up the publicity bandwagon. Now, of course, he’s going to ride that ridiculous broom as far as he can, shrieking “Look at me!!!” all the way.

      He’s absolutely right when he says he doesn’t represent the Salem community. There are hundreds of witches, Wiccans and pagans here who quietly go about the real practice of witchcraft, ignoring the pathetic antics of Christian Day.

      • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

        That is actually not why I chose the word at all. I’d been researching it for years and it fit perfectly with the type of spirit-based magic I do, but way to keep agenda-driven mythologies going.

        This from my Facebook notes:

        To the various irate commenters on my use of the word Warlock, I did the research on the word and have been for years. My dear friend Raven Grimassi, in particular can speak to the many conversations he and I have had about the word. He knows that I do my homework. Those who suggest I haven’t done my homework on the subject either haven’t been paying attention or have an ulterior agenda.

        If you read the Oxford English Dictionary [OED] etymology of Warlock, there is simply nothing to suggest a betrayer of the coven. Any association with the breaking of oaths would have to be taken into historical context. Going only so far back as 1023 CE, and also being associated with being a devil or being in league with the devil, the oaths broken would have been broken to the church. In this regard, I am an oathbreaker, breaking the oaths of the first commandment. Reading the Malleus Malificarum–The witch hunter’s guide, you see a mindset by which women are referred to as prone to Witchcraft, more susceptible. That was indicative of the terrible sexism of the time. So, for a man to practice Witchcraft would have been considered a far more grievous sin.

        That said, while OED will not yet accept Vardlokkur as a possible source, it is older than 1023, with the story of the “Warlock Song” contained within the Saga of Erik the Red (Circa 950 – 1003 CE). With so much of the credible historical research on magic emerging after 1963, in fact, in the last two decades really, we have a lot of knowledge that we didn’t have then. Icelandic/English dictionaries dating as early as the 1800′s define Warlock as the English equivalent of the Nordic Vardlokkur (or spirit summoning song). Historian Stephen A. Mitchell in his 2011 book, “Witchcraft and Magic in the Nordic Middle Ages,” continues this trend. Oxford English Dictionary is an aggregate of scholarship, but is not necessarily the last word. If it were, it would never change. Either way, whatever the etymology, the OED defines Warlock now as “a man who practices witchcraft; a sorcerer.”

        As Isaac Bonewits long pointed out, the word Witch was an insult thrown by the Church in the same way that the word “pagan” essentially began as the Roman version of the term “White trash.” We have reclaimed these words in spite of their negative associations. Starhawk noted in The Spiral Dance that even with all its negative connotations, women should see the word Witch as a way of reclaiming women’s power and that men should see it as a way of finding the divine feminine within. Nobody seems to question that, so I have to wonder what kind of agenda is driving this resentment. Perhaps the same one that kept transgendered females out of a circle at Pantheacon. Frankly, in 1963, Gardnerian Wicca was quite homophobic.

        I don’t mind people disagreeing with my use of the words. What I resent is those accusing me of not doing my homework when, essentially, they haven’t done their homework. The bibliography of my forthcoming book reads like an anthology of the ancient world. There are painfully few books on the modern Witchcraft revival among the bunch. Anyone who says that the word represents a traitor to the coven is taking it from modern Wicca books and, frankly, this isn’t homework. Not any that any serious academic would accept as a source, anyway. The very Gardnerian Book of Shadows that most who know it are oathbound not to reveal, I have read, without oath taken, and it says nothing negative about the word Warlock at all. In fact, some versions of the text actually use the word as a form of binding of the initiate to gain the sight. So there is no evidence anywhere that this word represents a traitor to the Craft only traitor to the Church, which I am gladly, and I agree with the Nordic scholars (and most Witchcraft is likely descended from both the Nordic and Celtic people anyway) that Vardlokkur is the original root anyway.

        With this in mind, I prefer to put my money where my mouth is. I am offering $1,000 to the first person who can find me source material prior to 1950 that designates the word Warlock as someone who betrays a coven to the Witch hunters, or betrays a coven at all. I’m that interested in the source material for this prior to the Wiccan revival that I’m willing to pay for it.

        So everyone has gleefully tittered over their own words excited at what they believe to be their overwhelming knowledge on the subject, but does anyone actually want the cash? Trust me, we can talk business now. I’ve got the cash if you’ve got the stash.

        Blessings from Salem,

        Christian Day
        Salem Warlock

      • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

        And as for displacing my friend, Laurie Cabot, nobody could do that. I attended her birthday party last night and she was as lively as ever.

        • Kamryn

          Oh dear. There’s Charlie again, referring to himself as having blood dripping from his chipped warlock fang.

          Guess the great and powerful binding ritual didn’t work.

          Anyone who’s surprised, raise your hand.

          And yes, our friend Laurie looked great.

      • Crandall

        You know, you’re right. I’m spending far too much time thinking about all of this. This is just too much melodrama and I think some participants enjoy it (a lot).

        I’m outta here. Blessings…

  • Morgueanna1313

    Warlock? LOL What is this BEWITCHED ?? Both Shameless Attention Tarts In my book

    • Kamryn

      You’ve hit on it perfectly, Morgueanna. Christian Day is a tired old tart who’s been hanging around the Salem community for years, trying desperately to displace Laurie Cabot. I doubt that he’s honestly interested in “educatiing” anyone about witchcraft, paganism or anything else (he refers to Wiccans as “Wicca-poos who can’t handle his ancestral magic.”) What he IS interested in is becoming famous and using the cover of witchcraft as his vehicle.

      His latest shtick is calling himself a “warlock,” something he originally came up with because he wanted to shock and offend the local witches, hoping to ramp up the publicity bandwagon. Now, of course, he’s going to ride that ridiculous broom as far as he can, shrieking “Look at me!!!” all the way.

      He’s absolutely right when he says he doesn’t represent the Salem community. There are hundreds of witches, Wiccans and pagans here who quietly go about the real practice of witchcraft, ignoring the pathetic antics of Christian Day.

      • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

        Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

      • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

        Comment removed by request of Mr. Day.

        • Kamryn

          Oh dear. There’s Charlie again, referring to himself as having blood dripping from his chipped warlock fang.

          Guess the great and powerful binding ritual didn’t work.

          Anyone who’s surprised, raise your hand.

          And yes, our friend Laurie looked great.

      • Crandall

        You know, you’re right. I’m spending far too much time thinking about all of this. This is just too much melodrama and I think some participants enjoy it (a lot).

        I’m outta here. Blessings…

  • Crandall

    I am so with you. I have been to Christian’s store in Salem, and have read many of his posts elsewhere and was in agreement with his working to promote Salem. His love for the community was obvious and I supported that. But this recent stuff just smacks of his desire to bring attention to HIMSELF, and to perpetuate so many stereotypes about the Pagan community, that I can only see it as destructive to any progress Pagans have made to be accepted as an actual religious movement.

    It breaks my heart, but I immediately felt as you described: as though I wanted to disassociate myself from the Pagan community if this is what it’s going to go with as an example. Many will say, “What does it matter what others think of how we worship?” Yes, that’s fine, but then why didn’t he do this ritual privately? If he needs all the props and bells and whistles to raise his energy, do it because it is what you believe and don’t have it filmed for everyone to see all across the country, as though you ARE representing more than just your own beliefs, but the whole Pagan community.

    I also agree with the point that there seems no reason at all to be angry at a substance-abusing moron like Charlie Sheen using the word “warlock”. So the entire motivation for doing this ritual is pretty pointless in the first place. Unless one is looking for an opportunity to drum up publicity, there was no reason to do this at all.

    Until this happened, I thought Hollywood stereotypes were the only issues we had to contend with as Pagans. Because it DOES matter how the public regards a minority group. It matters in level of respect, government recognition as an actual religion for grants, permits, etc., personal and professional relationships that are torn apart because of people’s ignorance on Pagan matters….it affects people in LOTS of ways.

    What a mess.

  • Crandall

    I am so with you. I have been to Christian’s store in Salem, and have read many of his posts elsewhere and was in agreement with his working to promote Salem. His love for the community was obvious and I supported that. But this recent stuff just smacks of his desire to bring attention to HIMSELF, and to perpetuate so many stereotypes about the Pagan community, that I can only see it as destructive to any progress Pagans have made to be accepted as an actual religious movement.

    It breaks my heart, but I immediately felt as you described: as though I wanted to disassociate myself from the Pagan community if this is what it’s going to go with as an example. Many will say, “What does it matter what others think of how we worship?” Yes, that’s fine, but then why didn’t he do this ritual privately? If he needs all the props and bells and whistles to raise his energy, do it because it is what you believe and don’t have it filmed for everyone to see all across the country, as though you ARE representing more than just your own beliefs, but the whole Pagan community.

    I also agree with the point that there seems no reason at all to be angry at a substance-abusing moron like Charlie Sheen using the word “warlock”. So the entire motivation for doing this ritual is pretty pointless in the first place. Unless one is looking for an opportunity to drum up publicity, there was no reason to do this at all.

    Until this happened, I thought Hollywood stereotypes were the only issues we had to contend with as Pagans. Because it DOES matter how the public regards a minority group. It matters in level of respect, government recognition as an actual religion for grants, permits, etc., personal and professional relationships that are torn apart because of people’s ignorance on Pagan matters….it affects people in LOTS of ways.

    What a mess.

  • Anna Blackwood

    I KNOW That ten Years Ago Witches Tore Down A sign Over The mens Rest Room Door In a restaurant In Salem On Halloween. I KNOW because I was There At The Time. I have Been To HEX. And It Was A nice Shop with Friendly service. As for The Name WARLOCK. Well It simply means LIAR. or one in league with Demons/ the Devil. We WITCHES have fought for years NOT TO BE ASSOCIATED with The Devil. And We would Like To be taken Seriously. The Antics Of Mr Day have set us back 300 years! I do Not Want a thousand dollars, But I would Gladly take a refund for The $300.00 Plus Dollars We spent At His WITCHES Ball. I can tell You I will NOT spend More Money ANYWHERE That Advertises That They LIE. Enough said.

  • Anna Blackwood

    I KNOW That ten Years Ago Witches Tore Down A sign Over The mens Rest Room Door In a restaurant In Salem On Halloween. I KNOW because I was There At The Time. I have Been To HEX. And It Was A nice Shop with Friendly service. As for The Name WARLOCK. Well It simply means LIAR. or one in league with Demons/ the Devil. We WITCHES have fought for years NOT TO BE ASSOCIATED with The Devil. And We would Like To be taken Seriously. The Antics Of Mr Day have set us back 300 years! I do Not Want a thousand dollars, But I would Gladly take a refund for The $300.00 Plus Dollars We spent At His WITCHES Ball. I can tell You I will NOT spend More Money ANYWHERE That Advertises That They LIE. Enough said.

  • http://www.patheos.com Star Foster

    I’m shutting down comments here. If you need to engage further take it to another venue.

    • Anna Blackwood

      thanks star I think enough was said. Blessed Be

  • http://www.patheos.com/ Star Foster

    I’m shutting down comments here. If you need to engage further take it to another venue.

    • Anna Blackwood

      thanks star I think enough was said. Blessed Be

  • Druidjo1

    I have been practicing quietly with a few family members for over 40 years.  I have gone to gatherings and I have sat in with several covens and groves across this country. I really don’t understand what this is about. Charlie Sheen is an egolomaniac that suffers from bipolar disorder. He clearly needs help and that is ok. I have known many ex junkies, junkies, and nut cases(I worked in a State Hospital in Central Ohio). Just sit back and be entertained by him. He is a middleaged actor, and a very good one, so let him keep “winning” with his pornstar girlies and wild life style. Eventually he will crash again, that is what bipolar people do. We have no control over that, I will be entertained by him no matter what he does. This other guy, Chris Day, I have never heard of him before. So is he really that important? Not to me. I will continue to have faith in the power and energy of nature and I will continue to collect energy and manipulate it to do my will. I hope all other believers of magic will do the same.  

  • Druidjo1

    I have been practicing quietly with a few family members for over 40 years.  I have gone to gatherings and I have sat in with several covens and groves across this country. I really don’t understand what this is about. Charlie Sheen is an egolomaniac that suffers from bipolar disorder. He clearly needs help and that is ok. I have known many ex junkies, junkies, and nut cases(I worked in a State Hospital in Central Ohio). Just sit back and be entertained by him. He is a middleaged actor, and a very good one, so let him keep “winning” with his pornstar girlies and wild life style. Eventually he will crash again, that is what bipolar people do. We have no control over that, I will be entertained by him no matter what he does. This other guy, Chris Day, I have never heard of him before. So is he really that important? Not to me. I will continue to have faith in the power and energy of nature and I will continue to collect energy and manipulate it to do my will. I hope all other believers of magic will do the same.  


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