Why Thor Matters

4 AM. For the second night in a row Thor wakes me up. The night before it was thunder. This time I just can’t sleep. I keep thinking about the Thor film of all things. I toss. I turn. I get up, shower, dress and go to Wal*Mart. In the rain. Because this film disturbs me.

You see, I never got into the Thor comics or The Avengers. My Marvel heroes were the X-Men. So when I look at the official website and trailers I don’t see cheesy aliens from outer space, I see the Gods. When they say Asgard is a cosmic realm, I don’t think “distant planet.” When I see Rene Russo in costume she evokes the dignity and strength of Frigga. When Odin casts Thor to Earth as a punishment, I don’t think they are abadoning myth as much as borrowing from Greek myth. Asgard is inspiring, Odin is commanding and Heimdallr looks formidable.  Despite all the plastic sci-fi armor, this is impressive.

That’s what disturbs me. My limited knowledge of the Marvel Thor is slightly better than the knowledge of the average person who will buy a ticket to see this film. It looks like a fun, action-packed comic film, like Iron Man and they will walk in expecting that sort of experience only to find the Gods. Desiderus Eramus wrote of an old Spartan proverb that has always stuck with me: Invoked or not invoked, the God is there. Whether Kenneth Branagh intended it or not, he has drawn on the images, names and stories of the Gods. He invited them into this film, just as unbidden they were surely invited into the comic books.

Though we are savvy enough to understand the difference between the comics and the myths, will a 13 year old boy searching for a spiritual guide understand it? Will he do like I did early this morning and, like Eric Scott did before me, stand in the aisle at Wal*Mart and wonder at this foam Mjolnir? Will he find as much inspiration and strength from this cheap toy as some find in Virgin Mary car air fresheners?

I knew a woman who came to Paganism thanks to Zelda. Looking for help with a quest she was surprised to find Epona was more than just the name of a video game character. So many people came to Wicca through the film The Craft and I doubt anyone would say that’s a good representation of that faith. There people who will watch Thor and seek out Asatru. Those foam hammers will be used by closeted Heathen children to hallow. It will happen. Much as it makes us shudder.

Rather than concern ourselves with whether or not the film is disrespectful, whether it’s appropriate for Heimdallr to be played by a black actor or wonder why on earth they made Sif a brunette, we should focus on the practical fallout from this film. We know what happened with The Craft, we know Heathenry is growing leaps and bounds and we need to expect this film to be significant.

In an ideal world each Heathen organization would make sure they were sitting in a theater the day the movie opens, then sitting down and writing a response to the film. Brief notes on how the film deviates from the lore, and what it really means to serve the Aesir. Heathens would expect to be asked about the film and have a positive response (Cool special effects but here’s what the lore says and what I believe) rather than a negative (What a piece of crap! As an Asatruar I’m totally offended). Being prepared for questions is not proselytizing.

I think we should look at this film as if we are a spiritually and culturally hungry person. As if we are a 16 year old young woman considering a military career and in need of a warrior ethic.  As if we are a homemaker taking her kids to an action-flick who is suddenly overwhelmed by Frigga. As if we are a man with a newborn who stumbled across Asatru looking up info on the film and is looking for a spiritual tradition for his family. Because those are the people who will be coming to us with questions. We shouldn’t dismiss them for referencing Thor like so many seekers were dismissed for coming to Wicca by way of The Craft. Maybe Thor will lead folks to their path, and maybe there will be folks who need to be gently dissuaded, but they all deserve positive, straightforward and enlightening answers.

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Thor is an opportunity. People will seek out Pagans due to this film, silly as that may sound. When they come we should greet them with answers and hospitality, especially if we weren’t received that way. Thor can mark a change not only for seekers, but for how our communities interact with them.

About Star Foster

Polytheistic Wiccan initiated into the Ravenwood tradition, she has many opinions. Some of them are actually useful.

  • Anonymous

    Well said, Star. In approaching this new film, we are much better served by offering to explain to folks how it, and the comics that inspired it, differ from our core mythologies. We gain nothing at all with the “it’s not an accurate representation of our beliefs and therefore we should boycott and smear it” approach.

  • brainwise

    Well said, Star. In approaching this new film, we are much better served by offering to explain to folks how it, and the comics that inspired it, differ from our core mythologies. We gain nothing at all with the “it’s not an accurate representation of our beliefs and therefore we should boycott and smear it” approach.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Carron/100001353268347 David Carron

    Here’s my take: Watch the movie first and see from there.
    If it’s awesome, great. If not, suck. We’ll have different issues if they didn’t treat the material right. But, to be clear, the material that they are using is from a comic book.

    Like a Nerthus sacrifice, even tied up and at the bottom of a lake, the Gods never fail to inspire. This is Thor we are talking about. Even on a movie screen, even via a guy with a blond beard, Thor will evoke passion in our hearts. Thor is the everyman God. His name will survive the burning of our world.

    So watch the movie and see what happens. I have low expectations but that is because of Hollywood and not based upon any trailer. And I love being surprised and inspired.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Carron/100001353268347 David Carron

    Here’s my take: Watch the movie first and see from there.
    If it’s awesome, great. If not, suck. We’ll have different issues if they didn’t treat the material right. But, to be clear, the material that they are using is from a comic book.

    Like a Nerthus sacrifice, even tied up and at the bottom of a lake, the Gods never fail to inspire. This is Thor we are talking about. Even on a movie screen, even via a guy with a blond beard, Thor will evoke passion in our hearts. Thor is the everyman God. His name will survive the burning of our world.

    So watch the movie and see what happens. I have low expectations but that is because of Hollywood and not based upon any trailer. And I love being surprised and inspired.

  • http://vermillionrush.wordpress.com Vermillion

    I don’t know, I mean maybe I’d feel differently if I was pledged to the Norse pantheon but I think we should go into Thor expecting it to be a popcorn film. Speaking as a Pagan and a geek I think a lot of times we tend to automatically hate on something if it has any sort of Pagan undertone and isn’t “authentic”

    If the film was billing itself as a recreation of the Eddas then yeah, I would be angry but in all honesty the film is nothing but another bridge for what Marvel is hoping will be their REAL cash cow: The Avengers. I think if the film inspires folks to seek out the myths that it was based on then that’s fantastic but I don’t really see folks asking Pagans about it simply because the stuff it’s based on is so different from just about…well everything.

  • http://vermillionrush.wordpress.com Vermillion

    I don’t know, I mean maybe I’d feel differently if I was pledged to the Norse pantheon but I think we should go into Thor expecting it to be a popcorn film. Speaking as a Pagan and a geek I think a lot of times we tend to automatically hate on something if it has any sort of Pagan undertone and isn’t “authentic”

    If the film was billing itself as a recreation of the Eddas then yeah, I would be angry but in all honesty the film is nothing but another bridge for what Marvel is hoping will be their REAL cash cow: The Avengers. I think if the film inspires folks to seek out the myths that it was based on then that’s fantastic but I don’t really see folks asking Pagans about it simply because the stuff it’s based on is so different from just about…well everything.

    • http://vermillionrush.wordpress.com Vermillion

      Everything actually is a crap word to use, what I mean to say is the stuff the movie Thor is based on can’t really be confused with (in my opinion) our Heathen friends believe. Marvel Thor is an alien.

    • http://vermillionrush.wordpress.com Vermillion

      Ack I should clarify what I mean by everything. Everything actually was crap term to use, apologies. What I mean to say is movie Thor in my opinion cannot be confused with Thor and what Heathens believe. Movie Thor = Alien! Thor = Not Alien by a long shot.

  • Anonymous

    I completely agree with you…We cannot, nor the Gods necessarily control how a person approaches them and wants to form a relationship with them. Just the fact that they’re seeking a different relationship with the divine that’s new to them, is a postive sign to me.

  • Catpriestess

    I completely agree with you…We cannot, nor the Gods necessarily control how a person approaches them and wants to form a relationship with them. Just the fact that they’re seeking a different relationship with the divine that’s new to them, is a postive sign to me.

  • Wyrd Dottir

    It’s pop-culture and should be judged on those grounds. Some people will see it, and it will become a gateway, and they will branch out to discover the myths the story is loosely inspired by, and some of those may eventually look into various fields of paganism. Others will only pursue it for continued pop culture reference.

    The Gods will take what opportunities they can get to make themselves known, and I have no doubt that this will prove a vehicle of discovery that will lead some to pagan paths in the future, but that journey may be years in the taking.

  • Wyrd Dottir

    It’s pop-culture and should be judged on those grounds. Some people will see it, and it will become a gateway, and they will branch out to discover the myths the story is loosely inspired by, and some of those may eventually look into various fields of paganism. Others will only pursue it for continued pop culture reference.

    The Gods will take what opportunities they can get to make themselves known, and I have no doubt that this will prove a vehicle of discovery that will lead some to pagan paths in the future, but that journey may be years in the taking.

  • Glenn

    It is just fantasy ! Like J.R.R. Tolkien’s tales it is just made up stories. It has little or nothing to do with the Asatru religion !

    • http://www.patheos.com Star Foster

      That’s what some people say about Pagan religions. It’s just fantasy and made up…

      • http://twitter.com/ashareem HR Mitchell

        That’s what a LOT of people say about Pagan religions.

        • Anonymous

          Well, there does seem to be a lot of similarities between pagan and comic book/sci fi conventions. Just sayin…

      • Glenn

        Why should we care what “some people” say about our religion ! Christians have been trying to destroy our religion for 1000 years and now their religion is waning, being destroyed from within. I worry only about our Gods and Goddesses and my folk, not “some people”.

        • Anonymous

          My understanding was that Asatru as a religion was actually destroyed and has only recently been re-created thanks to the research and other work by folks like Diana Paxson. Is this not the case?

          • http://ianphanes.livejournal.com/ Ian Phanes

            This takes us back to the topic of the recent “What Came Before Was Not Nothing” post. As I said there, “I think we are creating new religion out of old religion.” I’m arguing for a middle position between “we make everything up” and “we are a continuation of ancient paganism”.

          • Anonymous

            But we really DO make everything up… And there’s nothing wrong with that! Paganism today has very tenuous connections to the pagansim that came before… heck, even the ‘Celtic’ and ‘Egyptian’ brands of paganism have their origins in the late 1800s recreations by bored white rich people. I think we do ourselves a profound disservice by thinking that we can have ANY clue of what it was really like to live in those cultures. To do otherwise is as ridiculous as a bunch of Germans getting together and pretending their Native American tribes (which was written about in a comment to a recent article here). Just because we insist that it’s ‘true’ doesn’t actually make it ‘true’. The facts just don’t support it.

          • http://www.patheos.com Star Foster

            We make up the Delphic Maxims? Or the hymns to Inanna? I think Reconstructionists and family traditions would take a lot of issue with your statement.

          • http://ianphanes.livejournal.com/ Ian Phanes

            You want facts? We don’t make *everything* up. (Do you understand that “everything” is a universal, and therefore, all it takes is one counterexample to disprove?) But we are making some of it up.

            Most of us use ancient sources regularly–often without knowing it. And I’m not just talking about recons. I don’t know how many different strands of paganism I’ve seen using Orphic and Homeric Hymns or the Song of Amergin. And most of us have at least some familiarity with the myths about the gods we worship. The mere fact that we are worshiping older gods means that we aren’t making everything up. And the four elements go back to Empedocles. Astrology–which is religious for some modern pagans, just as it was for various ancient pagans in the circum-Mediterranean–goes back to Babylonia and Egypt.

            But, on the other hand, we aren’t practicing what they ancients did. We are using what we know of their texts and practices in new contexts and new ways. So we are making some of it up. Some of us are making up more of our practice, some are making up less.

            Thus, we are doing something in between continuation and making everything up. That’s why I wrote “I think we are creating new religion out of old religion.”

            *

            P.S.: I think there are a small minority of pagans out there who are truly making it all up.

            They are those who don’t acknowledge any gods, ancestors, spirits, or anything else that we received from traditional paganisms. They are usually ecologically-minded materialist atheists whose spirituality is rooted in the sacredness of nature and life. They will sometimes describe themselves as “spiritually, but not religiously, pagan.” They tend to see ritual as psychologically meaningful, but nothing more, as they don’t believe in anything non-physical. For them, the gods and elements, and ancestors, and all that is non-corporeal are just symbols.

            From my point of view, they are fellow travelers, and welcome to fellowship with us, but I don’t think of them as pagans. I see paganisms as essentially religious, not just spiritual. (Which is not to say that I require individuals to be polytheists or anything else specific. I have animist friends who I consider to be just as pagan as me, though our worldviews and practice are very different.)

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JAEOBDHDR2KJTZYNHLACOOTBGM Justin

            No, not really. The folk beliefs and the worldview that the Northern European people survived on in various forms – read Germanization of Medieval Christianity. Did people stop “practicing” the religion from back in the day? Yes. Is Asatru/Heathenry/etc the rebirth of things just like they were then? Absolutely not. It is the approach of attempting to apply what we know about the worldview (Spiritual, communal, moral aspects) to our lives in the modern world? Absolutely.

            But to respond to the Diana Paxson part, no. It is due to people like Sveinbjörn Beinteinsson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sveinbj%C3%B6rn_Beinteinsson), Else Christensen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Else_Christensen), Valgard Murray, Steve McNallen and all the people that were there from the get go.

            I do no know when Diana Paxson came into the picture exactly, but she has made contributions to the community and is a member of the Troth (steerswoman, if not currently then in the past) – I am not saying that she deserves no recognition but I do not know if I could say that if it wasn’t for her then Asatru wouldn’t be around.

    • evenstar333

      Tolkien was a huge influence in my childhood development. At the age of five I received a book of the animated 70′s film, and instantly fell in love with the idea that magic indeed existed. The stories fostered (or enhanced) such a divine spark in me that I still carry to this day. I suppose I can “blame” Tolkien for my choices, but fantasy or not, they carry a deep truth.

  • Glenn

    It is just fantasy ! Like J.R.R. Tolkien’s tales it is just made up stories. It has little or nothing to do with the Asatru religion !

    • http://www.patheos.com/ Star Foster

      That’s what some people say about Pagan religions. It’s just fantasy and made up…

      • http://twitter.com/ashareem HRM

        That’s what a LOT of people say about Pagan religions.

        • sindarintech

          Well, there does seem to be a lot of similarities between pagan and comic book/sci fi conventions. Just sayin…

      • Glenn

        Why should we care what “some people” say about our religion ! Christians have been trying to destroy our religion for 1000 years and now their religion is waning, being destroyed from within. I worry only about our Gods and Goddesses and my folk, not “some people”.

        • sindarintech

          My understanding was that Asatru as a religion was actually destroyed and has only recently been re-created thanks to the research and other work by folks like Diana Paxson. Is this not the case?

          • http://ianphanes.livejournal.com/ Ian Phanes

            This takes us back to the topic of the recent “What Came Before Was Not Nothing” post. As I said there, “I think we are creating new religion out of old religion.” I’m arguing for a middle position between “we make everything up” and “we are a continuation of ancient paganism”.

          • sindarintech

            But we really DO make everything up… And there’s nothing wrong with that! Paganism today has very tenuous connections to the pagansim that came before… heck, even the ‘Celtic’ and ‘Egyptian’ brands of paganism have their origins in the late 1800s recreations by bored white rich people. I think we do ourselves a profound disservice by thinking that we can have ANY clue of what it was really like to live in those cultures. To do otherwise is as ridiculous as a bunch of Germans getting together and pretending their Native American tribes (which was written about in a comment to a recent article here). Just because we insist that it’s ‘true’ doesn’t actually make it ‘true’. The facts just don’t support it.

          • http://www.patheos.com/ Star Foster

            We make up the Delphic Maxims? Or the hymns to Inanna? I think Reconstructionists and family traditions would take a lot of issue with your statement.

          • http://ianphanes.livejournal.com/ Ian Phanes

            You want facts? We don’t make *everything* up. (Do you understand that “everything” is a universal, and therefore, all it takes is one counterexample to disprove?) But we are making some of it up.

            Most of us use ancient sources regularly–often without knowing it. And I’m not just talking about recons. I don’t know how many different strands of paganism I’ve seen using Orphic and Homeric Hymns or the Song of Amergin. And most of us have at least some familiarity with the myths about the gods we worship. The mere fact that we are worshiping older gods means that we aren’t making everything up. And the four elements go back to Empedocles. Astrology–which is religious for some modern pagans, just as it was for various ancient pagans in the circum-Mediterranean–goes back to Babylonia and Egypt.

            But, on the other hand, we aren’t practicing what they ancients did. We are using what we know of their texts and practices in new contexts and new ways. So we are making some of it up. Some of us are making up more of our practice, some are making up less.

            Thus, we are doing something in between continuation and making everything up. That’s why I wrote “I think we are creating new religion out of old religion.”

            *

            P.S.: I think there are a small minority of pagans out there who are truly making it all up.

            They are those who don’t acknowledge any gods, ancestors, spirits, or anything else that we received from traditional paganisms. They are usually ecologically-minded materialist atheists whose spirituality is rooted in the sacredness of nature and life. They will sometimes describe themselves as “spiritually, but not religiously, pagan.” They tend to see ritual as psychologically meaningful, but nothing more, as they don’t believe in anything non-physical. For them, the gods and elements, and ancestors, and all that is non-corporeal are just symbols.

            From my point of view, they are fellow travelers, and welcome to fellowship with us, but I don’t think of them as pagans. I see paganisms as essentially religious, not just spiritual. (Which is not to say that I require individuals to be polytheists or anything else specific. I have animist friends who I consider to be just as pagan as me, though our worldviews and practice are very different.)

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JAEOBDHDR2KJTZYNHLACOOTBGM Justin

            No, not really. The folk beliefs and the worldview that the Northern European people survived on in various forms – read Germanization of Medieval Christianity. Did people stop “practicing” the religion from back in the day? Yes. Is Asatru/Heathenry/etc the rebirth of things just like they were then? Absolutely not. It is the approach of attempting to apply what we know about the worldview (Spiritual, communal, moral aspects) to our lives in the modern world? Absolutely.

            But to respond to the Diana Paxson part, no. It is due to people like Sveinbjörn Beinteinsson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sveinbj%C3%B6rn_Beinteinsson), Else Christensen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Else_Christensen), Valgard Murray, Steve McNallen and all the people that were there from the get go.

            I do no know when Diana Paxson came into the picture exactly, but she has made contributions to the community and is a member of the Troth (steerswoman, if not currently then in the past) – I am not saying that she deserves no recognition but I do not know if I could say that if it wasn’t for her then Asatru wouldn’t be around.

    • evenstar333

      Tolkien was a huge influence in my childhood development. At the age of five I received a book of the animated 70′s film, and instantly fell in love with the idea that magic indeed existed. The stories fostered (or enhanced) such a divine spark in me that I still carry to this day. I suppose I can “blame” Tolkien for my choices, but fantasy or not, they carry a deep truth.

  • http://twitter.com/ashareem HR Mitchell

    I anticipate this film with excitement and apprehension. I remember the Hindi outrage over episodes of Hercules and Xena and the depictions of their Gods, as well as how the show runners treated the Olympians and other Gods. I also remember the aliens of Stargate, and how they usurped the names (and in some cases attributes) of Gods of every culture.

    Frankly, the film could go either way.

  • http://twitter.com/ashareem HRM

    I anticipate this film with excitement and apprehension. I remember the Hindi outrage over episodes of Hercules and Xena and the depictions of their Gods, as well as how the show runners treated the Olympians and other Gods. I also remember the aliens of Stargate, and how they usurped the names (and in some cases attributes) of Gods of every culture.

    Frankly, the film could go either way.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1326914892 Bert Ricci

    YES!
    You put words to thoughts I’ve had over and over again regarding moviedoms productions of our “Things”. A comic book rendering of the Iliad is one of the things that got me onto the path of the old gods. All the movies and tv shows that showed “pagans” as okay folks helped. On our own we will grimace a bit, but don’t slap people down because they find something good in Pop Pulp. It is part of the whole. (I woder what he sacerdotes thought of Plautus’s treatment of the Gods?)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1326914892 Bert Ricci

    YES!
    You put words to thoughts I’ve had over and over again regarding moviedoms productions of our “Things”. A comic book rendering of the Iliad is one of the things that got me onto the path of the old gods. All the movies and tv shows that showed “pagans” as okay folks helped. On our own we will grimace a bit, but don’t slap people down because they find something good in Pop Pulp. It is part of the whole. (I woder what he sacerdotes thought of Plautus’s treatment of the Gods?)

  • http://profiles.google.com/thorncoyle T Thorn Coyle

    I appreciate this perspective, Star, and the passion with which it was written.

    Myself: I can’t help but enjoy seeing posters on buses and in the BART underground station that read “THOR.” I think he’ll gladly take the attention this is causing.

    The film, I will likely go see, though there’s no telling whether or not it will be good. That said, I really was excited to see the Percy Jackson/Olympians movie and then couldn’t make myself go, once the reviews came out.

  • http://profiles.google.com/thorncoyle T Thorn Coyle

    I appreciate this perspective, Star, and the passion with which it was written.

    Myself: I can’t help but enjoy seeing posters on buses and in the BART underground station that read “THOR.” I think he’ll gladly take the attention this is causing.

    The film, I will likely go see, though there’s no telling whether or not it will be good. That said, I really was excited to see the Percy Jackson/Olympians movie and then couldn’t make myself go, once the reviews came out.

  • NorseAlchemist

    First off, I am seeing this movie at the midnight imax 3d premier where I live. It has been my plan since I first say Mjolnir sticking from the ground at the end of IronMan 2. Where I cheered at the sight of it.

    Is it accurate? No. Am I a fan of the Ancient Aliens thing? No. That said, from the little clips I’ve seen of the Nine Worlds and how they work in the movie, I think they may be doing okay. The whole Magic and Science being the same thing? I’m an Alchemist. It is the same thing. Do our gods live on Asgard, which even the Myths state is a different place for Midgard. And just becuase the film makers and some in the film will say they are Aliens (technically true as they are not terrestrial) that doesn’t mean that they are not Divine. So what if for real or not, our Gods and Goddesses came from another world and made this one? The eddas speak that this is so.

    As for the child who sanctifies a foam hammer (I’m thinking of getting some myself) or making an Action Figure into an Idol, why is this something we should shudder and reject? I know of many who have gotten a hammer of some kind at home depot or lowes and done the same. Is a plastic figure less holy than one made of resin or stone or wood? It is our beliefs that make things holy, and any child that calls upon Any of the Gods, even in such a manner as with their “toys” shall find the Gods speak to them just as well as those who spend a hundred dollars for “sanctified” materials.

    How many of those who watch the Craft and looked to wicca and paganism kept going? The door doesn’t matter. I know a martial artist who got into that because he watched DBZ. People laughed at him, but he managed to go far. So some will watch this movie, and the Gods will call to them, just as they did with every other Norse and Viking movie ever made. And none of the previews I have seen have shown Thor acting in anything less than a heroic manner. Such a lesson is one we should be proud that Children learn in this day and age, not one we should complain about.

  • NorseAlchemist

    First off, I am seeing this movie at the midnight imax 3d premier where I live. It has been my plan since I first say Mjolnir sticking from the ground at the end of IronMan 2. Where I cheered at the sight of it.

    Is it accurate? No. Am I a fan of the Ancient Aliens thing? No. That said, from the little clips I’ve seen of the Nine Worlds and how they work in the movie, I think they may be doing okay. The whole Magic and Science being the same thing? I’m an Alchemist. It is the same thing. Do our gods live on Asgard, which even the Myths state is a different place for Midgard. And just becuase the film makers and some in the film will say they are Aliens (technically true as they are not terrestrial) that doesn’t mean that they are not Divine. So what if for real or not, our Gods and Goddesses came from another world and made this one? The eddas speak that this is so.

    As for the child who sanctifies a foam hammer (I’m thinking of getting some myself) or making an Action Figure into an Idol, why is this something we should shudder and reject? I know of many who have gotten a hammer of some kind at home depot or lowes and done the same. Is a plastic figure less holy than one made of resin or stone or wood? It is our beliefs that make things holy, and any child that calls upon Any of the Gods, even in such a manner as with their “toys” shall find the Gods speak to them just as well as those who spend a hundred dollars for “sanctified” materials.

    How many of those who watch the Craft and looked to wicca and paganism kept going? The door doesn’t matter. I know a martial artist who got into that because he watched DBZ. People laughed at him, but he managed to go far. So some will watch this movie, and the Gods will call to them, just as they did with every other Norse and Viking movie ever made. And none of the previews I have seen have shown Thor acting in anything less than a heroic manner. Such a lesson is one we should be proud that Children learn in this day and age, not one we should complain about.

  • http://argeiphontes.weebly.com/index.html Dorothy

    I am glad to see someone commented on this. Well said indeed. I definitely think that about Percy Jackson as well. Bring Greek in spirit. :) Go Thor.

  • http://argeiphontes.weebly.com/index.html Dorothy

    I am glad to see someone commented on this. Well said indeed. I definitely think that about Percy Jackson as well. Bring Greek in spirit. :) Go Thor.

  • Wondergoon

    If I may, the original comic material is the basis for the stuff used for this movie (The Ultimate Thor, I think it’s called). There was another series which predates this one called The Mighty Thor and it ran from 1962 (as Journey Into Mystery) until 1966 when it changed to The Mighty Thor. The series ended in 1996. The two series were different and, back in the 1960′s-early-1980′s, they dealt with the Eddas and what they meant within the context of the Marvel Universe. (More info: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Thor_%28Marvel_Comics%29)

    Were they accurate? Probably not. (Sif, for example, was portrayed as a brunette in the original comic series, so it stuck for the movie).

    Thor is only an alien for this movie. That was a change Brannagh enacted to explain why a such a being exists along side Iron Man. I.e. technology and magic cannot co-exist, according to Brannagh. I don’t agree with this idea, but, I’m not the writer, so . . . .

    Thor was, indeed, a God in the original comics. Always was.

    Will all these wacko changes stop me from seeing the film? NOPE! I plan on plopping my rotund butt into an overpriced seat and escape from this crap world for 90 minutes or so.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mitch-Martin/100000831555765 Mitch Martin

    i had to cotinually remember that the Gods have a sence of humor .i am very much a true heathen and was at times offended .if Jesus was depicted this way the Pope would have declared war.i dont think it will inspire people to seek out heathenism/paganism as a faith.it will take our critisism in a load voice to encurage the youth of today to wonder and seek out the truth.i absolutely give my life to Alfather,as an acting Gothi i cringed at several parts of this MOVIE,but that is what it is.to be imparcial it was ok,not great just ok.it was however a great waste of a chance to truely represent THOR,THUNDER GOD.it would have been more exciting and fun and loving and educational .it would have been unforgettable had it followed the EDDAS and SAGAS.such a let down.we can recover the good it has by yelling out the truth,people want the truth via criticism,sorry but we deal with human nature

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mitch-Martin/100000831555765 Mitch Martin

    i had to cotinually remember that the Gods have a sence of humor .i am very much a true heathen and was at times offended .if Jesus was depicted this way the Pope would have declared war.i dont think it will inspire people to seek out heathenism/paganism as a faith.it will take our critisism in a load voice to encurage the youth of today to wonder and seek out the truth.i absolutely give my life to Alfather,as an acting Gothi i cringed at several parts of this MOVIE,but that is what it is.to be imparcial it was ok,not great just ok.it was however a great waste of a chance to truely represent THOR,THUNDER GOD.it would have been more exciting and fun and loving and educational .it would have been unforgettable had it followed the EDDAS and SAGAS.such a let down.we can recover the good it has by yelling out the truth,people want the truth via criticism,sorry but we deal with human nature

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mitch-Martin/100000831555765 Mitch Martin

    as i watched the movie i had to remind myself that the Gods laugh at themselves.i had to look at it as nothing related to heathenism.at that point it was entertaining but,it kept reminding me of my beloved Gods and that was in very bad taste.as far as bringing young people toward our beliefs im not so sure.it will take our loud criticism to let people know how far off the MOVIE was.that is how we can recover what if anything good from this entire waste.if they would have done this in the intent of the EDDAS and SAGAS they could have made a masterpiece.the myths and sagas about THOR are funny ,violent,honorable,loving,courages,scarey,happyand all you could ever want.this was a great waste of talent,money,time and marketing.as an acting GOTHI i cringed at some of the idiotic displays they had my GOD in. but at least our Gods are coming into the light it is our job to correct and educate those who seek the truth.Star i gave my life to Alfather and respect is what He deserves.

    • http://www.patheos.com Star Foster

      I didn’t see Odin disrespected from my perspective, but to each his own.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mitch-Martin/100000831555765 Mitch Martin

    as i watched the movie i had to remind myself that the Gods laugh at themselves.i had to look at it as nothing related to heathenism.at that point it was entertaining but,it kept reminding me of my beloved Gods and that was in very bad taste.as far as bringing young people toward our beliefs im not so sure.it will take our loud criticism to let people know how far off the MOVIE was.that is how we can recover what if anything good from this entire waste.if they would have done this in the intent of the EDDAS and SAGAS they could have made a masterpiece.the myths and sagas about THOR are funny ,violent,honorable,loving,courages,scarey,happyand all you could ever want.this was a great waste of talent,money,time and marketing.as an acting GOTHI i cringed at some of the idiotic displays they had my GOD in. but at least our Gods are coming into the light it is our job to correct and educate those who seek the truth.Star i gave my life to Alfather and respect is what He deserves.

    • http://www.patheos.com/ Star Foster

      I didn’t see Odin disrespected from my perspective, but to each his own.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cassandra-Smithson/1625890093 Cassandra Smithson

    I’m a Marvel fan myself but Thor was my brother’s favorite not mine so I didn’t know that they were aliens until recently. I did see it this weekend and I have to agree that it’s going to garner a LOT of attention! This is an amazing opportunity to have productive dialog with others instead of being offended by the inaccuracies that are in the movie. It’s still a learning experience and while Asatru isn’t my path I am going to learn more about it just so when asked I can at least point people in the right direction.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cassandra-Smithson/1625890093 Cassandra Smithson

    I’m a Marvel fan myself but Thor was my brother’s favorite not mine so I didn’t know that they were aliens until recently. I did see it this weekend and I have to agree that it’s going to garner a LOT of attention! This is an amazing opportunity to have productive dialog with others instead of being offended by the inaccuracies that are in the movie. It’s still a learning experience and while Asatru isn’t my path I am going to learn more about it just so when asked I can at least point people in the right direction.

  • Sisofthemoon65

    We must encourage them to educate themselves in history,the histories of the mythologies and religions. An uneducated decision is dangerous and fool hearty, the Pagan path is about self awareness with the universe we live in and becoming a positive role with in it . Be a good person in all you do, just because you want to be, not because your scared some deity will punish you forever in hell-fire. May Mother Earth bless you in wisdom and patience :)

  • Sisofthemoon65

    We must encourage them to educate themselves in history,the histories of the mythologies and religions. An uneducated decision is dangerous and fool hearty, the Pagan path is about self awareness with the universe we live in and becoming a positive role with in it . Be a good person in all you do, just because you want to be, not because your scared some deity will punish you forever in hell-fire. May Mother Earth bless you in wisdom and patience :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/DesolationAngel75 Amber Riley

    Went and saw the film last night with a sister pagan, and from both a pagan and geek perspective we were duly impressed. The way the story was presented was respectful to both venues, and the essence of the Gods was captured beautifully. Perhaps they toyed with a few things here and there….it’s artistic license. Tell me a bard or story teller through the ages who didn’t embellish. We walked out of the film beaming with pagan pride, and feeling spiritually inspired. The consensus: The Gods would be pleased.

  • http://www.facebook.com/DesolationAngel75 Amber Riley

    Went and saw the film last night with a sister pagan, and from both a pagan and geek perspective we were duly impressed. The way the story was presented was respectful to both venues, and the essence of the Gods was captured beautifully. Perhaps they toyed with a few things here and there….it’s artistic license. Tell me a bard or story teller through the ages who didn’t embellish. We walked out of the film beaming with pagan pride, and feeling spiritually inspired. The consensus: The Gods would be pleased.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSLUPZCRZRPQI2IJX7G7ASQ6DQ .

    Yes many would find fault with the film but if a person is a true person to any craft and really find an interest they will go out of they’re way to learn the truth and meaning. if we take a defensive prose immediately were no better than those who judge us. It shouldn’t matter how the interest in any path is brought as long they’re are those who really follow it. In every fruit grove there’s rotten fruit, but what matters is what grows.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSLUPZCRZRPQI2IJX7G7ASQ6DQ .

    Yes many would find fault with the film but if a person is a true person to any craft and really find an interest they will go out of they’re way to learn the truth and meaning. if we take a defensive prose immediately were no better than those who judge us. It shouldn’t matter how the interest in any path is brought as long they’re are those who really follow it. In every fruit grove there’s rotten fruit, but what matters is what grows.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sonny-Melone/100001788031315 Sonny Melone

    There is wisdom in these words. I’d like to think I’m one of those Pagans that will teach those that ask, smile when they make references to the movie that I KNOW to be un-true, and smile much more when I see their lights come on when I tell them The Gods are real…actually, it’s good to see the responses that are coming up..it creates dialogue, which, in turn, creates thought.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sonny-Melone/100001788031315 Sonny Melone

    There is wisdom in these words. I’d like to think I’m one of those Pagans that will teach those that ask, smile when they make references to the movie that I KNOW to be un-true, and smile much more when I see their lights come on when I tell them The Gods are real…actually, it’s good to see the responses that are coming up..it creates dialogue, which, in turn, creates thought.

  • Unicawn

    The Dadga had a hammer (club) too.
    How lovely that the Norse Gods are still around too.

  • Unicawn

    The Dadga had a hammer (club) too.
    How lovely that the Norse Gods are still around too.

  • Devinjgray

    I’ve studied for many years, and had difficulty finding groups or other like-minded people. We are so heterogeneous! Truthfully paganism is “everything besides Christianity, Judaism, and Islam”.

  • Devinjgray

    I’ve studied for many years, and had difficulty finding groups or other like-minded people. We are so heterogeneous! Truthfully paganism is “everything besides Christianity, Judaism, and Islam”.

  • Devinjgray

    I’ve studied for many years, and had difficulty finding groups or other like-minded people. We are so heterogeneous! Truthfully paganism is “everything besides Christianity, Judaism, and Islam”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/OlafTheGodi Michael Norcutt

    I’m not sure how I feel about this yet, of course I haven’t seen the whole movie yet, though what I have seen has some serious flaws in that anyone who knows the the old writings would also know that Odin would never kick his son out, and would be more inclined to join the wars that his son incited than to take action against his own flesh and blood. This is the way of Odin. However, in some of the scenes that I have seen, there are other parts that make Thor like the God himself in many of his beliefs, if not in appearance. I am actually looking forward to seeing the movie, though I dread the possibilities of more inconsistencies. But, Hollywood will be Hollywood and this could, on the positive side, be a catalyst to get kids to read more about Norse mythology and the old ways…

  • http://www.facebook.com/OlafTheGodi Michael Norcutt

    I’m not sure how I feel about this yet, of course I haven’t seen the whole movie yet, though what I have seen has some serious flaws in that anyone who knows the the old writings would also know that Odin would never kick his son out, and would be more inclined to join the wars that his son incited than to take action against his own flesh and blood. This is the way of Odin. However, in some of the scenes that I have seen, there are other parts that make Thor like the God himself in many of his beliefs, if not in appearance. I am actually looking forward to seeing the movie, though I dread the possibilities of more inconsistencies. But, Hollywood will be Hollywood and this could, on the positive side, be a catalyst to get kids to read more about Norse mythology and the old ways…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000671337043 Duggan Chthonio

    Congratulations, Star! Your comment is very full of knowledge, respect and hospitality. All that should be the priority of a pagan/heathen conduct of life.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000671337043 Duggan Chthonio

    Congratulations, Star! Your comment is very full of knowledge, respect and hospitality. All that should be the priority of a pagan/heathen conduct of life.


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