Norway, Spiritual Warfare, Apotheosis and Being Smurfy

Lots going on today, so I’m going to weigh in briefly on each item of interest.

Labeling Anders Breivik “Christian”

Christians are up in arms over the labeling of Norway killer Breivik as a “Christian terrorist” and I admit I find the phenomenon fascinating. Pagans are continually upset when some whack job who has some tenous tie to our communities gets labeled as an occult killer and the names of our religions smeared with their crime, so I have a little sympathy here.

What I do find interesting is that by labeling Breivik a “Christian terrorist” it implies that Christianity is considered a) dangerous and b) other. This otherness is a relatively new thing in my eyes. Maybe it’s because religion as a whole is being looked at askance by the public?

Spiritual Warfare

Hail Columbia Project on Facebook

I grew up in a religious culture that promoted spiritual warfare. This culture changed the entire direction of my life as I was pulled from school and left to an unsupported, unsupervised, isolated self-education. While other girls tried to figure out how to capture the attention of boys, I tried to figure out how to get my hands on books I needed. I can never pretend that this culture doesn’t have real consequences, particularly as it endorses a man who may one day be the president of this country.

Alison Leigh Lilly speaks for a section of the Pagan community when she washes her hands of the whole matter. I disagree that Pagans are “going to war,” as I stated in her comments section(it’s hard to find but here is a link), but rather they are saying that this sort of rhetoric and behavior is unacceptable. To “lay siege” to Washington in any sense is inappropriate and dangerously close to treason. Which is why in Georgia I’m talking to progressive Christians, and will be contacting a Muslim interfaith group today, to gather and positively state that religious freedom means you can be religious, tolerant and be a good citizen. I assume there will be hummus. Not very war-like and I’m disappointed to see it construed as such.

I don’t apologize for being patriotic. When I step into the polling station I am no longer Pagan, but a citizen, and vote accordingly. Yet that doesn’t mean that I don’t reverence the land I live on and the country to which it gave birth. You don’t have to care when someone attacks your Gods. When they attack your rights. When they declare warfare against your country. You can not participate. You can choose not to vote. You can choose not to participate in anything that has a history of oppression or genocide (good luck with that). You can choose to limit your involvement to criticism, but know that your criticism isn’t a contribution in and of itself.

On a more constructive note, the Hail Columbia project has a Facebook page and a website is underway. It’s goals are to provide resources for Pagans creating interfaith events in their state, perspectives on Pagan patriotism and on American expressions of Paganism, including an online shrine to Columbia. The best way to respond to violent rhetoric is not with violent rhetoric, not with passive dismissal, but with positive demonstrations of character and values.

Is George Washington a Hero-God?

Matthew G. Bisanz via CC license

Gauis Julius Caesar, Augustus, Herakles, Romulus, Remus, Antinous, and other mortals have been deified after death. Like ancestor veneration, hero cults work on the idea that the honored dead watch over us, and intercede for us. It’s called apotheosis and it’s a very old Pagan idea. Wicca has this in the concept of the Mighty Ones or Mighty Dead.

So in the process of discussing the Hail Columbia project, I brought up George Washington. Surely, had Paganism evolved unfettered Washington and other important figures from American history would have their own hero cults? Surely America has a wealth of native protective spirits we can draw on without appropriating First Nations culture?

I was surprised to learn this has been a subject of interest in the Hellenic community, albeit a controversial one. So I’m curious, do you think there should be a hero-cult for George Washington? Do you call on and venerate cultural heros in your practice? Who do you think is worthy of apotheosis?

Make it pink! Make it blue!

So, on a whim, I said I’d dye my hair blue if the Patheos Pagan Portal page on Facebook reached 1,000 “likes” by Lammas/Lughnasadh. I did not imagine that goal would be reached in a little over 24 hours. I certainly wasn’t expecting that. So the weekend after Lammas/Lughnasadh I will set aside time, and perhaps enlist the aide of a friend, and bleach out my brown hair and dye it a smurfy blue. Pictures will be posted. Even if my hair falls out, pictures will be posted. Thanks for boosting the page likes! You all rock!

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  • http://worksofliterata.wordpress.com Literata

    Personally, I’d rather give honor to Thomas Jefferson, especially for his positions on religious liberty, but Washington already has so much mythology built up around him that he’s a natural. It’s almost like a secular kind of apotheosis.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1226891346 Cara Schulz

      Jefferson and Washington are two of the most commonly named Heroes (in the Hellenic, deified sense).  Adams gets a mention once in a while.

      To be a deified hero, a person had to do great deeds that helped his entire city or country.  The person needs to have died. It helps if the person had a Deity as a parent, but it’s not a deal breaker.  Most important, there needs to be ‘proof’ that the person is able to help others even after death.  Sound like a Catholic saint?  Well, that’s because the early Christian church incorporated that along with so much else that they modeled after the Greek religion.

      There are Pagans (and I’m one of them) that honor some of the Passengers of Flight 93 as Heroes and ask for their protection while traveling.  There are firefighters that died in 9-11 that are seen as heroes and there are (non-Pagans) that believe those firefighters continue to help their brother firefighters and keep them safe.  Pagans have contributed to the Flight 93 Memorial site and have traveled there to lay down offerings.  Same with the firehouses that still have the helmets from the Hero firefighters. 

  • http://worksofliterata.wordpress.com Literata

    Personally, I’d rather give honor to Thomas Jefferson, especially for his positions on religious liberty, but Washington already has so much mythology built up around him that he’s a natural. It’s almost like a secular kind of apotheosis.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1226891346 Cara Schulz

      Jefferson and Washington are two of the most commonly named Heroes (in the Hellenic, deified sense).  Adams gets a mention once in a while.

      To be a deified hero, a person had to do great deeds that helped his entire city or country.  The person needs to have died. It helps if the person had a Deity as a parent, but it’s not a deal breaker.  Most important, there needs to be ‘proof’ that the person is able to help others even after death.  Sound like a Catholic saint?  Well, that’s because the early Christian church incorporated that along with so much else that they modeled after the Greek religion.

      There are Pagans (and I’m one of them) that honor some of the Passengers of Flight 93 as Heroes and ask for their protection while traveling.  There are firefighters that died in 9-11 that are seen as heroes and there are (non-Pagans) that believe those firefighters continue to help their brother firefighters and keep them safe.  Pagans have contributed to the Flight 93 Memorial site and have traveled there to lay down offerings.  Same with the firehouses that still have the helmets from the Hero firefighters. 

  • Diotima Mantineia

    I read the piece by Alison Leigh Lilly. Unfortunately, her post is completely free of references to the writings she is discussing. It’s all “Pagans are saying…” “Pagans are doing…” but no specific quotes, names, links or identifying information. This approach always raises a red flag for me, because I find all too often that the person using it is setting up straw men that can then be knocked down with the opinions the author is eager to express.

    I’ve been trying to keep up with some of the commentary on this subject,  but I have not seen the kind of opinions posted that Alison apparently has. It would be nice if she would reference them, so we can be sure we are dealing with real people, and not straw ones.

    While I agree that taking up the rhetoric of war is counter-productive, I have actually NOT seen that happening in what I’ve been reading. What I have seen is concern over the threat to our Constitution — to the separation of church and state — posed by the Dominionists, and a lot of interesting ideas on how to cope with this threat — and cope with it we must, one way or another. As Jefferson said, “The price of freedom is eternal vigilance”.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501005243 Alison Leigh Lilly

      I decided not to link to specific individuals to try to avoid making things personal and to avoid promoting the work of individuals whose views I think are unhelpful by giving them linkbacks. But since several people have asked me for specifics (and criticized me for a lack of references, which is a very fair criticism), I will be following up that post with a list of references to the kinds of statements I was referring to. I hope you’ll check back in a few days when I have a chance to share that.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1226891346 Cara Schulz

        Will these links be from the time period of the past few days when this was under discussion, but before you wrote your article?  Your article says these things are being discussed now in relation to DC40 as you are criticizing the current Pagan reaction to DC40.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501005243 Alison Leigh Lilly

          For the most part, Cara, yes they will. I am also linking to past posts that you have made as well, however, so that readers can see your half a dozen comments supporting the worship of Columbia and Nemesis on The Wild Hunt thread in their proper context.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1226891346 Cara Schulz

            I see.  So your post, which you wrote as a criticism about the *current Pagan response to DC40* wasn’t really about that.  It was just an excuse to take shots at me and you’re using this issues, one that many Pagans are sincerely concerned about, to do it.  Why would you do that?

            http://alisonleighlilly.com/forum/social-justice/i-am-a-conscientious-objector-in-the-spiritual-war-1/page-2/#p162

            It’s good that you’ll link to what I’ve written.  I’ve never “repeatedly called upon Nemesis to work vengeance on your enemies, and
            attributed to her the death and destruction of those you disagree with.”  Yes, I honor Nemesis as a Goddess that brings things back into  balance and a champion of social justice.  She also gives people what they deserve, which is the Hellenic version of Kharma.  I honor Columbia as a goddess of justice, compassion, and liberty.  A Goddess who inspired the ideals set forth in our constitution of religious freedom and a just legal system. 

            Let me help you out with some links of things I have written: 

            http://www.patheos.com/community/paganportal/2010/09/15/the-missing-call-for-divine-justice/
            “Where are the prayers to Jupiter, asking him to see that all of those
            responsible [for the 9-11 attacks]are brought to justice, either through the courts of men or
            by His own divine hand? Where are the Deipnon offerings to Hekate, who
            leads the souls of the wronged dead as they torment their killers, to
            pursue these killers until they give themselves up to the authorities?
            Why have I not seen Skadi invoked, asking for Her to deliver sentence as
            She did to Loki?”

            http://politics.pagannewswirecollective.com/2011/02/25/wisconsin-is-none-of-my-business/
            “It thwarts the will of the voters, it breaks the bonds of oaths, and it
            puts us out of balance with Columbia – which can bring Nemesis into the
            picture.  If it can’t be corrected, we could slip further into imbalance
            with the scales swinging wildly back and forth.”

            http://politics.pagannewswirecollective.com/2010/07/19/iraq-nemesis-and-balance/
            “I feel our current economic troubles are Nemesis trying to bring us back
            into balance for all the undeserved good fortune we have experienced. 
            Likewise – as I  watched video footage in real time in February of 1991,
            I knew that we would be getting what we deserved for the evil we had
            just committed. (snip)  I’ve prayed to Nemesis and begged Hekate for purification, yet I wonder, will he get what I deserve?”

            http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2011/07/pagan-reactions-to-the-dc40-prayer-war.html
            “Columbia Soteira, prevent the destructive forces directed against us.
            Provide protection from evil attacks and stop the aggressors that
            attempt to bring destruction to our people and our way of life. I stand
            against the spirit of fear that accompanies the cowardice acts of
            hatred. I also pray that You enter the hearts of the instigators of
            discord, so they recognize the harm they inflict on others, and choose
            to live in harmony with their fellow man. If they persist in destructive
            acts, may Nemesis grant them all that they deserve. Place Your hand of
            protection over us and bless us with peace and justice. ”

  • Diotima Mantineia

    I read the piece by Alison Leigh Lilly. Unfortunately, her post is completely free of references to the writings she is discussing. It’s all “Pagans are saying…” “Pagans are doing…” but no specific quotes, names, links or identifying information. This approach always raises a red flag for me, because I find all too often that the person using it is setting up straw men that can then be knocked down with the opinions the author is eager to express.

    I’ve been trying to keep up with some of the commentary on this subject,  but I have not seen the kind of opinions posted that Alison apparently has. It would be nice if she would reference them, so we can be sure we are dealing with real people, and not straw ones.

    While I agree that taking up the rhetoric of war is counter-productive, I have actually NOT seen that happening in what I’ve been reading. What I have seen is concern over the threat to our Constitution — to the separation of church and state — posed by the Dominionists, and a lot of interesting ideas on how to cope with this threat — and cope with it we must, one way or another. As Jefferson said, “The price of freedom is eternal vigilance”.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501005243 Alison Leigh Lilly

      I decided not to link to specific individuals to try to avoid making things personal and to avoid promoting the work of individuals whose views I think are unhelpful by giving them linkbacks. But since several people have asked me for specifics (and criticized me for a lack of references, which is a very fair criticism), I will be following up that post with a list of references to the kinds of statements I was referring to. I hope you’ll check back in a few days when I have a chance to share that.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1226891346 Cara Schulz

        Will these links be from the time period of the past few days when this was under discussion, but before you wrote your article?  Your article says these things are being discussed now in relation to DC40 as you are criticizing the current Pagan reaction to DC40.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501005243 Alison Leigh Lilly

          For the most part, Cara, yes they will. I am also linking to past posts that you have made as well, however, so that readers can see your half a dozen comments supporting the worship of Columbia and Nemesis on The Wild Hunt thread in their proper context.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1226891346 Cara Schulz

            I see.  So your post, which you wrote as a criticism about the *current Pagan response to DC40* wasn’t really about that.  It was just an excuse to take shots at me and you’re using this issues, one that many Pagans are sincerely concerned about, to do it.  Why would you do that?

            http://alisonleighlilly.com/forum/social-justice/i-am-a-conscientious-objector-in-the-spiritual-war-1/page-2/#p162

            It’s good that you’ll link to what I’ve written.  I’ve never “repeatedly called upon Nemesis to work vengeance on your enemies, and
            attributed to her the death and destruction of those you disagree with.”  Yes, I honor Nemesis as a Goddess that brings things back into  balance and a champion of social justice.  She also gives people what they deserve, which is the Hellenic version of Kharma.  I honor Columbia as a goddess of justice, compassion, and liberty.  A Goddess who inspired the ideals set forth in our constitution of religious freedom and a just legal system. 

            Let me help you out with some links of things I have written: 

            http://www.patheos.com/community/paganportal/2010/09/15/the-missing-call-for-divine-justice/
            “Where are the prayers to Jupiter, asking him to see that all of those
            responsible [for the 9-11 attacks]are brought to justice, either through the courts of men or
            by His own divine hand? Where are the Deipnon offerings to Hekate, who
            leads the souls of the wronged dead as they torment their killers, to
            pursue these killers until they give themselves up to the authorities?
            Why have I not seen Skadi invoked, asking for Her to deliver sentence as
            She did to Loki?”

            http://politics.pagannewswirecollective.com/2011/02/25/wisconsin-is-none-of-my-business/
            “It thwarts the will of the voters, it breaks the bonds of oaths, and it
            puts us out of balance with Columbia – which can bring Nemesis into the
            picture.  If it can’t be corrected, we could slip further into imbalance
            with the scales swinging wildly back and forth.”

            http://politics.pagannewswirecollective.com/2010/07/19/iraq-nemesis-and-balance/
            “I feel our current economic troubles are Nemesis trying to bring us back
            into balance for all the undeserved good fortune we have experienced. 
            Likewise – as I  watched video footage in real time in February of 1991,
            I knew that we would be getting what we deserved for the evil we had
            just committed. (snip)  I’ve prayed to Nemesis and begged Hekate for purification, yet I wonder, will he get what I deserve?”

            http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2011/07/pagan-reactions-to-the-dc40-prayer-war.html
            “Columbia Soteira, prevent the destructive forces directed against us.
            Provide protection from evil attacks and stop the aggressors that
            attempt to bring destruction to our people and our way of life. I stand
            against the spirit of fear that accompanies the cowardice acts of
            hatred. I also pray that You enter the hearts of the instigators of
            discord, so they recognize the harm they inflict on others, and choose
            to live in harmony with their fellow man. If they persist in destructive
            acts, may Nemesis grant them all that they deserve. Place Your hand of
            protection over us and bless us with peace and justice. ”

  • Wyrd Dottir

    The question is would they want to be honored? That being said, while I don’t think they qualify for God-hood type followings, they could very well be like honored ancestors, as they are fathers of our country.

  • Wyrd Dottir

    The question is would they want to be honored? That being said, while I don’t think they qualify for God-hood type followings, they could very well be like honored ancestors, as they are fathers of our country.

  • Morgain

    I think there has been a hero cult of George Washington since at least 1865, when “The Apotheosis of George Washington” was painted in the Capitol building’s Rotunda.  Columbia is one of the goddesses painted there with him…

  • Morgain

    I think there has been a hero cult of George Washington since at least 1865, when “The Apotheosis of George Washington” was painted in the Capitol building’s Rotunda.  Columbia is one of the goddesses painted there with him…

  • Chas Clifton

    “So I’m curious, do you think there should be a hero-cult for George Washington?”

    Looked up inside the Capitol dome lately?

    The painting is called “The Apotheosis of George Washington,” and “apotheosis” means being made divine.

    So yes, we have a hero-cult.

  • Chas Clifton

    “So I’m curious, do you think there should be a hero-cult for George Washington?”

    Looked up inside the Capitol dome lately?

    The painting is called “The Apotheosis of George Washington,” and “apotheosis” means being made divine.

    So yes, we have a hero-cult.

  • Donna

    It seems to me that there are already a number of sacred American Heroes with mythologies firmly in place.  Aside from the Heroes from Revolutionary times (my favorites being Jefferson and Franklin), Abraham “Honest Abe”
    Lincoln, Martin Luther King Jr, maybe even JFK are already essentially sacred
    figures in our history.  There are others, of course, but I’m no kind of historian so any
    list I tried to make would be entirely inadequate. 

    One of the things I struggle with is that I don’t feel especially connected to one specific culture, aside from the one I’ve lived in all my life.  The idea that *my* culture is worthy of our own patron Goddess and deified Heroes is possibly my most important personal revelation to come from the discussions this week about spiritual warfare.

  • Donna

    It seems to me that there are already a number of sacred American Heroes with mythologies firmly in place.  Aside from the Heroes from Revolutionary times (my favorites being Jefferson and Franklin), Abraham “Honest Abe”
    Lincoln, Martin Luther King Jr, maybe even JFK are already essentially sacred
    figures in our history.  There are others, of course, but I’m no kind of historian so any
    list I tried to make would be entirely inadequate. 

    One of the things I struggle with is that I don’t feel especially connected to one specific culture, aside from the one I’ve lived in all my life.  The idea that *my* culture is worthy of our own patron Goddess and deified Heroes is possibly my most important personal revelation to come from the discussions this week about spiritual warfare.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501005243 Alison Leigh Lilly

    Star, I’m afraid you’ve completely mischaracterized (or deeply misunderstood) the point of my post – but thank you for linking to it to allow others to read it and decide for themselves.

    Since the main criticism I’ve received is that I myself did not link back to any of the kinds of comments and opinions I referenced (a decision I made in the hopes of avoiding accusations of “making things personal,” ironically enough) – I will be following up with a post linking to various references and articles.

    I will point out, for instance, that your idea of elevating Washington and other past political leaders to the level of cult-heroes/gods is an example I explicitly list as one of the problematic suggestions that I see as treading very close to a violation of church and state. So I will be including this article in that link round-up, along with others that I think demonstrate a tendency to willfully “religio-ify” American politics in the name of Paganism.

    • Donna

      I don’t agree that Pagan individuals or groups who choose to worship or honor American Deities or Heroes is problematic to the separation of Church and State.  To the contrary, that separation is what protects our ability to worship whatever deities we’re compelled to worship.  Whatever name we may use to address Her, Liberty seems an appropriate deity to call upon to preserve that separation and freedoms it ensured. 

      Maybe I’m splitting hairs, but the big difference I’ve seen between the spiritual warfare group(s) who want to “take back” the country for their god, and the Pagans who have responded, even those who respond by evoking Columbia, is their intention to either destroy or preserve religious liberty for those they disagree with.  I don’t recall reading any Pagans saying the spiritual warfare groups should not be allowed to worship their god, only that they should not be attacking the people who don’t worship Him. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501005243 Alison Leigh Lilly

        You may be splitting hairs, and I may be thinking a bit too “long term” in my worries, Donna. I think there is a little of both going on (split hairs are often lost in the long view of history, but then things don’t always turn out how we fear they might). That said, there most certainly are Pagans claiming that these Christians should not be allowed to worship their gods (though they are a small minority of Pagans, that’s for sure!). I will be following up my post with a link to some of the comments that spurred me to write my post, so that people can judge for themselves.

      • http://www.peacockfairy.com Ruadhán J McElroy

        Maybe I’m splitting hairs, but the big difference I’ve seen between the
        spiritual warfare group(s) who want to “take back” the country for their
        god, and the Pagans who have responded, even those who respond by
        evoking Columbia, is their intention to either destroy or preserve
        religious liberty for those they disagree with.  I don’t recall reading
        any Pagans saying the spiritual warfare groups should not be allowed to
        worship their god, only that they should not be attacking the people who
        don’t worship Him.

        You’re not splitting hairs at all — that’s is very clearly the very real, and important difference.  But, of course, people like Alison Leigh Lilly, who’ve already decided that She Knows Best, will tell you otherwise.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501005243 Alison Leigh Lilly

    Star, I’m afraid you’ve completely mischaracterized (or deeply misunderstood) the point of my post – but thank you for linking to it to allow others to read it and decide for themselves.

    Since the main criticism I’ve received is that I myself did not link back to any of the kinds of comments and opinions I referenced (a decision I made in the hopes of avoiding accusations of “making things personal,” ironically enough) – I will be following up with a post linking to various references and articles.

    I will point out, for instance, that your idea of elevating Washington and other past political leaders to the level of cult-heroes/gods is an example I explicitly list as one of the problematic suggestions that I see as treading very close to a violation of church and state. So I will be including this article in that link round-up, along with others that I think demonstrate a tendency to willfully “religio-ify” American politics in the name of Paganism.

    • Donna

      I don’t agree that Pagan individuals or groups who choose to worship or honor American Deities or Heroes is problematic to the separation of Church and State.  To the contrary, that separation is what protects our ability to worship whatever deities we’re compelled to worship.  Whatever name we may use to address Her, Liberty seems an appropriate deity to call upon to preserve that separation and freedoms it ensured. 

      Maybe I’m splitting hairs, but the big difference I’ve seen between the spiritual warfare group(s) who want to “take back” the country for their god, and the Pagans who have responded, even those who respond by evoking Columbia, is their intention to either destroy or preserve religious liberty for those they disagree with.  I don’t recall reading any Pagans saying the spiritual warfare groups should not be allowed to worship their god, only that they should not be attacking the people who don’t worship Him. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501005243 Alison Leigh Lilly

        You may be splitting hairs, and I may be thinking a bit too “long term” in my worries, Donna. I think there is a little of both going on (split hairs are often lost in the long view of history, but then things don’t always turn out how we fear they might). That said, there most certainly are Pagans claiming that these Christians should not be allowed to worship their gods (though they are a small minority of Pagans, that’s for sure!). I will be following up my post with a link to some of the comments that spurred me to write my post, so that people can judge for themselves.

      • http://omo.peacockfairy.com/ Ruadhán J McElroy

        Maybe I’m splitting hairs, but the big difference I’ve seen between the
        spiritual warfare group(s) who want to “take back” the country for their
        god, and the Pagans who have responded, even those who respond by
        evoking Columbia, is their intention to either destroy or preserve
        religious liberty for those they disagree with.  I don’t recall reading
        any Pagans saying the spiritual warfare groups should not be allowed to
        worship their god, only that they should not be attacking the people who
        don’t worship Him.

        You’re not splitting hairs at all — that’s is very clearly the very real, and important difference.  But, of course, people like Alison Leigh Lilly, who’ve already decided that She Knows Best, will tell you otherwise.

  • http://www.peacockfairy.com Ruadhán J McElroy

    When I step into the polling station I am no longer Pagan, but a citizen, and vote accordingly.

    I find this sort of wording incredibly problematic and disheartening.  When I step into a polling station, I am STILL a pagan — I’d even say it’s a very pagan thing to do.

  • http://omo.peacockfairy.com/ Ruadhán J McElroy

    When I step into the polling station I am no longer Pagan, but a citizen, and vote accordingly.

    I find this sort of wording incredibly problematic and disheartening.  When I step into a polling station, I am STILL a pagan — I’d even say it’s a very pagan thing to do.

  • http://thehomespunlife.com Sisterlisa

    Star, I understand what you said about voting. When I vote, I don’t vote in accordance with ‘Christianity’, I vote as an American. As much as I would love to see more people view the Divine as I do, I cannot and will not promote a nation that limits religious freedom. Whatever Deity we call upon, the fact remains that we are Americans and I don’t like seeing ‘Christians’ tampering with the Constitution. This DC40 thing is equally disturbing to me.   I understand the emotions involved with the district being named Columbia, and the relation that name has to the Goddess..and this DC40 thing wanting to remove the name. It seems to me that in their own minds they already have renamed DC..but does this group’s thoughts about that actually literally change who Columbia is and what she represents? This little organization is not going to be able to force the entire nation to change the name of DC. It’s a violation of the Constitution. Out of the 15 years I was steeped in fundamental Christianity I can testify to the fact that they like to cause people to fear their actions and words..it’s a bully tactic. They are using their Bible and twisted teachings to cause the people to forget the very Kingdom Christ brought to them and steer people into a ‘holy war’ that is NOT part of the teachings of Jesus. I understand the feeling of needing to respond to this as pagans, but the best response will be one of unity and respect. 

  • http://thehomespunlife.com Sisterlisa

    Star, I understand what you said about voting. When I vote, I don’t vote in accordance with ‘Christianity’, I vote as an American. As much as I would love to see more people view the Divine as I do, I cannot and will not promote a nation that limits religious freedom. Whatever Deity we call upon, the fact remains that we are Americans and I don’t like seeing ‘Christians’ tampering with the Constitution. This DC40 thing is equally disturbing to me.   I understand the emotions involved with the district being named Columbia, and the relation that name has to the Goddess..and this DC40 thing wanting to remove the name. It seems to me that in their own minds they already have renamed DC..but does this group’s thoughts about that actually literally change who Columbia is and what she represents? This little organization is not going to be able to force the entire nation to change the name of DC. It’s a violation of the Constitution. Out of the 15 years I was steeped in fundamental Christianity I can testify to the fact that they like to cause people to fear their actions and words..it’s a bully tactic. They are using their Bible and twisted teachings to cause the people to forget the very Kingdom Christ brought to them and steer people into a ‘holy war’ that is NOT part of the teachings of Jesus. I understand the feeling of needing to respond to this as pagans, but the best response will be one of unity and respect. 


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