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	<description>Where Star Foster Attempts To Be Clever Regarding All Things Pagan</description>
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		<title>Comment on Polytheists, Neo-Pagans, and Other Religious Critters by P. Sufenas Virius Lupus</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/pantheon/2012/04/polytheists-neo-pagans-and-other-religious-critters/#comment-13846</link>
		<dc:creator>P. Sufenas Virius Lupus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 04:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s polytheist, not pantheist--there&#039;s a very big difference, actually...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s polytheist, not pantheist&#8211;there&#8217;s a very big difference, actually&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Polytheists, Neo-Pagans, and Other Religious Critters by P. Sufenas Virius Lupus</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/pantheon/2012/04/polytheists-neo-pagans-and-other-religious-critters/#comment-13845</link>
		<dc:creator>P. Sufenas Virius Lupus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 04:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed--and, I suspect it is because of those notions of cultural purity (which are erroneous and often very modern indeed) that blind people to the realities of the ancient world.  No matter how resistant to &quot;foreign ways&quot; many Romans were, for example, they didn&#039;t seem to have much of a problem with &quot;foreign&quot; gods.

I don&#039;t know where this blindness 0r refusal to acknowledge facts--no matter how insistent upon &quot;fact&quot; some of the people involved say they are--comes from, and it baffles me to this day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed&#8211;and, I suspect it is because of those notions of cultural purity (which are erroneous and often very modern indeed) that blind people to the realities of the ancient world.  No matter how resistant to &#8220;foreign ways&#8221; many Romans were, for example, they didn&#8217;t seem to have much of a problem with &#8220;foreign&#8221; gods.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where this blindness 0r refusal to acknowledge facts&#8211;no matter how insistent upon &#8220;fact&#8221; some of the people involved say they are&#8211;comes from, and it baffles me to this day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Polytheists, Neo-Pagans, and Other Religious Critters by Kauko</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/pantheon/2012/04/polytheists-neo-pagans-and-other-religious-critters/#comment-13844</link>
		<dc:creator>Kauko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 02:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &quot;I&#039;m waaaaay too &quot;recon&quot; for many people, and yet I don&#039;t really follow Religio Romana
 or Hellenic or Kemetic &quot;standards&quot; on a huge variety of things; I am 
actively courting new deities and practice rabid and unapologetic 
syncretism&quot;

I find it odd that so many people on the reconstructionist side view syncretism in a not too favorable light. After all, ancient Pagans had no issues with syncretism, and, to my view, were far less concerned with maintaining some notion of cultural purity than some modern recons. In my own personal practice I am a recon myself and I largely keep my practice centered on one historical group of people (or perhaps closely related groups of people would be more accurate), yet I love to learn about and learn from any culture and religion I encounter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &#8221;I&#8217;m waaaaay too &#8220;recon&#8221; for many people, and yet I don&#8217;t really follow Religio Romana<br />
 or Hellenic or Kemetic &#8220;standards&#8221; on a huge variety of things; I am<br />
actively courting new deities and practice rabid and unapologetic<br />
syncretism&#8221;</p>
<p>I find it odd that so many people on the reconstructionist side view syncretism in a not too favorable light. After all, ancient Pagans had no issues with syncretism, and, to my view, were far less concerned with maintaining some notion of cultural purity than some modern recons. In my own personal practice I am a recon myself and I largely keep my practice centered on one historical group of people (or perhaps closely related groups of people would be more accurate), yet I love to learn about and learn from any culture and religion I encounter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Polytheists, Neo-Pagans, and Other Religious Critters by Star Foster</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/pantheon/2012/04/polytheists-neo-pagans-and-other-religious-critters/#comment-13843</link>
		<dc:creator>Star Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> No, I mean the distinctions I outlined above. I see where Tess is coming from, but I think her delineation is too vague and esoteric.

Roughly, I&#039;m thinking in terms of old and new. Even if Wicca is 500 years old(which I doubt), it&#039;s still new compared to religio Romana. Most of Druidry is modern religion created wholecloth from the material of old myth, and it&#039;s distinctly different from the various strains of Celtic reconstructionist polytheism.

People who are Wiccan have no desire to revive the religion of ancient Thessaly (a place associated strongly with Witchcraft), just as those who practice ancient Greek religion have no desire to revamp that religion into a wholly new structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> No, I mean the distinctions I outlined above. I see where Tess is coming from, but I think her delineation is too vague and esoteric.</p>
<p>Roughly, I&#8217;m thinking in terms of old and new. Even if Wicca is 500 years old(which I doubt), it&#8217;s still new compared to religio Romana. Most of Druidry is modern religion created wholecloth from the material of old myth, and it&#8217;s distinctly different from the various strains of Celtic reconstructionist polytheism.</p>
<p>People who are Wiccan have no desire to revive the religion of ancient Thessaly (a place associated strongly with Witchcraft), just as those who practice ancient Greek religion have no desire to revamp that religion into a wholly new structure.</p>
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		<title>Comment on UPG, Divine Revelation and Mystical Experiences by Star Foster</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/pantheon/2012/04/upg-divine-revelation-and-mystical-experiences/#comment-13842</link>
		<dc:creator>Star Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I&#039;ve been reading a good bit of Greek philosophy, although admittedly mostly Neoplatonic, and although I&#039;ve heard it explained many ways it still doesn&#039;t ring true for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I&#8217;ve been reading a good bit of Greek philosophy, although admittedly mostly Neoplatonic, and although I&#8217;ve heard it explained many ways it still doesn&#8217;t ring true for me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Polytheists, Neo-Pagans, and Other Religious Critters by Nicole Youngman</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/pantheon/2012/04/polytheists-neo-pagans-and-other-religious-critters/#comment-13841</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole Youngman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, after reading Tess&#039; blog post from last summer I think I&#039;m understanding the distinction you&#039;re getting at a little better--are you thinking in terms of romanticist-nature-worshippers-following-the-eightfold-year-calendar (&quot;neo-Pagans&quot;) vs. people who are more &quot;hard polytheists&quot; who worship a particular historical pantheon, follow the ancient calendar of that culture, and don&#039;t emphasize immanent deity and nature worship (&quot;polytheists&quot;)? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, after reading Tess&#8217; blog post from last summer I think I&#8217;m understanding the distinction you&#8217;re getting at a little better&#8211;are you thinking in terms of romanticist-nature-worshippers-following-the-eightfold-year-calendar (&#8220;neo-Pagans&#8221;) vs. people who are more &#8220;hard polytheists&#8221; who worship a particular historical pantheon, follow the ancient calendar of that culture, and don&#8217;t emphasize immanent deity and nature worship (&#8220;polytheists&#8221;)?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Polytheists, Neo-Pagans, and Other Religious Critters by Robert Paxton</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/pantheon/2012/04/polytheists-neo-pagans-and-other-religious-critters/#comment-13840</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Paxton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I start out with the notion that a religion is an expression of the spiritual life of the cultural community that produced it.  My job as a Pagan minister is only tangentially to act as an exponent of the faith -- since all the really good stuff is Mystery experienced first-hand, whatever I&#039;ve got to say is only commentary.  No, my REAL job is working with that cultural community -- what my teacher refers to as &quot;applied sociology&quot;.

So...there is something to the Neo-Pagan / Pantheist division I suppose, as a matter of reductionist study.  It doesn&#039;t really matter where you draw the lines, nor how many of them.  But the value in this for me, Star, is to think about the people who might fall on one side or the other of that line -- what else do they have in common?   

The people you describe as &quot;pantheist&quot; are a little fussy for my taste, but I&#039;ve still got a lot more in common with them -- as people around a campfire or as a voter or as an online sparring partner -- than I do with most of the evangelical Christians I know.  So while I&#039;d land on the &quot;Neo-Pagan&quot; side, the strength of the division between me and any given pantheist (or what I believe Isaac Bonewits might call Meso-Pagan) is pretty small all things considered.

To Pythia&#039;s point above: the real value of the conversation for me is to go &quot;ya know, while the &#039;eclectic Wicca&#039; of a lot of festival rituals is a good least-common-denominator for me, some of those wonderful people who want the community of these festivals find them pretty thin gruel.  So as someone who took a vow to community, I have some thinking to do on how to satisfy them too.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I start out with the notion that a religion is an expression of the spiritual life of the cultural community that produced it.  My job as a Pagan minister is only tangentially to act as an exponent of the faith &#8212; since all the really good stuff is Mystery experienced first-hand, whatever I&#8217;ve got to say is only commentary.  No, my REAL job is working with that cultural community &#8212; what my teacher refers to as &#8220;applied sociology&#8221;.</p>
<p>So&#8230;there is something to the Neo-Pagan / Pantheist division I suppose, as a matter of reductionist study.  It doesn&#8217;t really matter where you draw the lines, nor how many of them.  But the value in this for me, Star, is to think about the people who might fall on one side or the other of that line &#8212; what else do they have in common?   </p>
<p>The people you describe as &#8220;pantheist&#8221; are a little fussy for my taste, but I&#8217;ve still got a lot more in common with them &#8212; as people around a campfire or as a voter or as an online sparring partner &#8212; than I do with most of the evangelical Christians I know.  So while I&#8217;d land on the &#8220;Neo-Pagan&#8221; side, the strength of the division between me and any given pantheist (or what I believe Isaac Bonewits might call Meso-Pagan) is pretty small all things considered.</p>
<p>To Pythia&#8217;s point above: the real value of the conversation for me is to go &#8220;ya know, while the &#8216;eclectic Wicca&#8217; of a lot of festival rituals is a good least-common-denominator for me, some of those wonderful people who want the community of these festivals find them pretty thin gruel.  So as someone who took a vow to community, I have some thinking to do on how to satisfy them too.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Polytheists, Neo-Pagans, and Other Religious Critters by William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be some misunderstanding of what &quot;reconstructionism&quot; really means in some comments. From the Heathen perspective, at least, I&#039;d suggest checking out the Heathen journal Odroerir: 
http://odroerirjournal.com/ Particularly the first issue which delves into the misconceptions about reconstructionism. Just a suggestion because I think it&#039;s a great magazine and it&#039;s totally free. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be some misunderstanding of what &#8220;reconstructionism&#8221; really means in some comments. From the Heathen perspective, at least, I&#8217;d suggest checking out the Heathen journal Odroerir: <br />
<a href="http://odroerirjournal.com/ Particularly" rel="nofollow">http://odroerirjournal.com/ Particularly</a> the first issue which delves into the misconceptions about reconstructionism. Just a suggestion because I think it&#8217;s a great magazine and it&#8217;s totally free. </p>
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		<title>Comment on Polytheists, Neo-Pagans, and Other Religious Critters by P. Sufenas Virius Lupus</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/pantheon/2012/04/polytheists-neo-pagans-and-other-religious-critters/#comment-13838</link>
		<dc:creator>P. Sufenas Virius Lupus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a tough divide to navigate, Star...I find myself in a position similar to yours in certain respects.  I&#039;m &lt;i&gt;waaaaay&lt;/i&gt; too &quot;recon&quot; for many people, and yet I don&#039;t really follow &lt;i&gt;Religio Romana&lt;/i&gt; or Hellenic or Kemetic &quot;standards&quot; on a huge variety of things; I am actively courting new deities and practice rabid and unapologetic syncretism, but I never forget where the roots of many of these things come from, and try my best to understand them in as thorough a manner as possible with all academic and linguistic interpretations available; I think that mysticism and personal spiritual experience (or, as the previous post discussed, &quot;UPG&quot;) has a very definite and important place in the continued vitality and development of modern Paganism and polytheism, but my critical faculties are exercised on anything and everything that comes my way, including what is &quot;canonical&quot; and unquestioned as &quot;factual&quot; in terms of inherited &quot;lore.&quot;

While I&#039;m always a fan of going the moderate route if and when possible, and to attempting to reconcile differences across various perceived divides, I do fear that the extremes in this particular matter--which have been outlined pretty thoroughly and accurately in your above characterization--are viewpoints that will be largely irreconcilable, at least as they&#039;re espoused by some people at this point.  We can hope for the best, of course, and try and steer ourselves and our own individual communities to a fruitful and equitable balance point whenever we can, and that&#039;s probably the best any of us can do, for good and/or ill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a tough divide to navigate, Star&#8230;I find myself in a position similar to yours in certain respects.  I&#8217;m <i>waaaaay</i> too &#8220;recon&#8221; for many people, and yet I don&#8217;t really follow <i>Religio Romana</i> or Hellenic or Kemetic &#8220;standards&#8221; on a huge variety of things; I am actively courting new deities and practice rabid and unapologetic syncretism, but I never forget where the roots of many of these things come from, and try my best to understand them in as thorough a manner as possible with all academic and linguistic interpretations available; I think that mysticism and personal spiritual experience (or, as the previous post discussed, &#8220;UPG&#8221;) has a very definite and important place in the continued vitality and development of modern Paganism and polytheism, but my critical faculties are exercised on anything and everything that comes my way, including what is &#8220;canonical&#8221; and unquestioned as &#8220;factual&#8221; in terms of inherited &#8220;lore.&#8221;</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m always a fan of going the moderate route if and when possible, and to attempting to reconcile differences across various perceived divides, I do fear that the extremes in this particular matter&#8211;which have been outlined pretty thoroughly and accurately in your above characterization&#8211;are viewpoints that will be largely irreconcilable, at least as they&#8217;re espoused by some people at this point.  We can hope for the best, of course, and try and steer ourselves and our own individual communities to a fruitful and equitable balance point whenever we can, and that&#8217;s probably the best any of us can do, for good and/or ill.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Polytheists, Neo-Pagans, and Other Religious Critters by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 00:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I&#039;ve hardly done that. Please don&#039;t put words in my mouth (or my keyboard). Perhaps it would be clearer to say that the lines between the self-identified Polytheists and the self-identified Neopagans is blurrier than one might like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I&#8217;ve hardly done that. Please don&#8217;t put words in my mouth (or my keyboard). Perhaps it would be clearer to say that the lines between the self-identified Polytheists and the self-identified Neopagans is blurrier than one might like.</p>
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