Patronizing the Faithful: Catholics for Obama

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Mr President, don’t patronize Catholics.

Stop attacking religious freedom.

Repeal the HHS Mandate. 

  • http://wjcollier3.wordpress.com John Collier

    Just like a minister/priest/preacher/teacher who takes passages of scripture out of context to make them mean what he needs them to at the time, Mr. Obama manipulates the truth of the gospel to promote a political agenda. “Loving your neighbor as yourself” is not a government program; it is the calling of those who have trusted in Christ for their redemption. “To whom much is given, much is required” was not Jesus’ American tax policy. It is the teaching that we are all accountable to God for the stewardship of what He has trusted to us. While I am not Catholic–I am a Protestant minister–I find Mr. Obama’s “spiritual” pandering deeply offensive as a Christian, and American, and as a rational voter.

  • Judith W

    Surely it is a matter of perspective, but I don’t find this video being any way opposed to religious freedom. In fact, it is reinforcing the Gospel teaching that faith without works is dead. I believe that faith should uphold the entire range of social justice issues and I stand in solidarity with the Catholic Religious who share that viewpoint. I do not see this video as being negative in any way, and I intend to support and vote for Obama in the upcoming election. Women need individual and personal reproductive choice and access to safe and effective health care for themselves and their children. I volunteer in a maximum security prison and the teachings of Jesus are paramount within those walls. Too bad these words often get diluted by the Catholic hierarchy.

    • David Moorby

      To Judith,
      Your perspective is grossly inconsistent. You are correct in saying that faith should uphold the entire range of social justice issues, but your comments make it apparent that you do not view state sponsored infanticide as a social justice issue. It belongs at the top of the list of issues. The child in the womb needs individual and personal protection and safe access to the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for themselves and THEIR children.

  • Jon L

    So what you’re saying, Judith, is that Obama is simply upholding Christ’s teaching as President? Interesting. I wonder what Jesus’ opinion is of Obama’s desire to legalize abortion at each and every stage of pregnancy, and I wonder what Jesus’ would say about Obama’s support of “gay marriage”.

    Obama is not going to increase health access for women; that system is already in place, and while it may need some reform to better utilize the funding it currently receives, that is not at all what Obama is seeking. Your euphemism – “reproductive choices” – belies the dark reality that Obama is seeking not only free contraceptives for women, but free access to abortion services and abortifacients. There is no amount of mental gymnastics that can get around that one little fact, and our consciences damn us if we willing choose to ignore that one fact.

    I am by no means a perfect Catholic. I often fail at my ideals; but at least I know that my ideals are true because they are faithful to the Church. The last thing any faithful Catholic should want on their conscience is the knowledge that they voted for someone who has promised to remove barriers to killing infants.

    • Arkenaten

      @ Jon.
      Should your ideals not be faithful to Jesus, rather than the Church?

      • http://creativefidelity.wordpress.com Dan F.

        false dichotomy – the Church is the Body of Christ (i.e. Jesus).

        • Arkenaten

          You use capitals, Dan, which suggests you are touting dogma – Church dogma, in fact. (or religious dogma if you prefer.
          I do not hold with such dogma, thus I reject your statement.

          • http://fpb.livejournal.com/ Fabio P.Barbieri

            In other words, you do not accept anyone’s view of God except your own. And in real life, this means you have made a god out of yourself. At which point baby-murder is the least of your problems.

  • David Moorby

    Speaking to Mr. Obama’s closing comment: God is Love, and the source of all love and mercy. In His love and mercy, He cannot and will not compromise the principles of His Divine Justice. How can we expect Him to “buttress the efforts” of a nation that allows and promotes the killing of the innocents within their mothers’ womb? The screams of those who are torn apart and killed under the guise of “effective health care” reach to the throne of our Great King, and God will NOT be mocked.

  • http://catholicsforobama.blogspot.com/ Katherine

    The Gallup Poll has the President pulling ahead with the Catholic vote. Of course,after yesterday, I woudl think he is pulling ahead with everyone.

  • David Moorby

    @Arkenaten.
    The only polls that matter and tell it like it is are the voting polls on November 6th. That being said, let’s take a look at the various polls after the debates have run their course. Remember, teleprompters are of no use during live debates.

    • Arkenaten

      @David Moorby.
      I think your comment was meant for Katherine, yes?

      • David Moorby

        Yes, Arkenaten, thank you for the correction. Now that I caught your attention, however, I would like to point out to you that we Catholics believe that in being faithful to the Church, i.e. the Mystical Body of Christ on Earth, we are indeed being faithful to Jesus, as this is the Church founded by Our Lord through His Apostles and carried through to the present day by the power of the Holy Spirit.

        • Arkenaten

          I stand under correction, but the gentile Church as you refer to it was largely founded upon the doctrine of Saul of Tarsus.
          The head of the Jerusalem Church was James, Jesus’ brother, yes?

          • http://fpb.livejournal.com/ Fabio P.Barbieri

            I suggest Arkenaten is left strictly alone with her own self-justifications and her own self-made dogmas. There is no point in trying to reason with someone like this.

        • Rebecca Hamilton

          Arkenaten, aka Douglas or Pearce, is a good sort. He’s just wrong about Christianity. :-)

          Douglas, I don’t believe that James was Jesus’ brother. Even in the Middle East today, people follow the practice of calling extended family “brothers,” as well as other who share an intense belief. We do the same here in America. There are quite a few good people who call me Sister Rebecca. I am honored by it, even though I am not their blood sister, or a member of a religious order.

          I think that’s how the idea that James was Jesus’ brother got started, by people being far too literal about a colloquial use of the word “brother.”

          • Arkenaten

            Oh, Rebecca, please. This is Catholic dogma, as well you should know. And if the Catholic Church are going to dispute the biblical word for brother and try to change it into cousin or some such then why did they not take issue with the word Alma?
            Hint: Young woman/Virgin. You know the erroneous prophecy from Isaiah, surely?
            Really, you should be more open-minded and do some proper theological investigation.
            But this is not the forum for lessons in Aramaic, Hebrew, or Greek.

            • Rebecca Hamilton

              It’s not Catholic dogma that calling people brother is a social custom in many parts of the world, including, from what I’ve read the era and part of the world in which the Gospels were written. Your original comment that I was answering was about the old canard of James being Jesus’ brother. I gave an explanation as to how that misunderstanding might have arisen.

              Thank you for forgoing the Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek lessons here on this forum.

          • Arkenaten

            Oh, and its Douglas (Christian name) ;)

          • Arkenaten

            Correct me if I’m wrong. A mother of one child will usually refer to the child as an only child, yes?
            Jesus is referred to as Mary’s first-born. Not, please note, only child.
            Every Christian sect(That I am aware of) except Catholicism recognises that Jesus had brothers and sisters. It says so in the bible. Even yours.
            Every recognised non-Catholic Biblical scholar acknowledges that Jesus has siblings.
            But yes, the term brother is used all over the place. Saudi Arabia Libya, Australia, Wales. Even Oklahoma. Gosh how about that?

            • Rebecca Hamilton

              I don’t know about this, but I really doubt it. Of course, the first question is, “recognized” by whom and in what way?

              “Every recognised non-Catholic Biblical scholar acknowledges that Jesus has siblings.”

          • Arkenaten

            This was easier than digging out the specific text in my Britannica,
            There are many more sites but this was the first to pop up.
            I will look for the proper Greek word for brother if need be?
            http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-siblings.html
            “Some Roman Catholics claim that these “brothers” were actually Jesus’ cousins. However, in each instance, the specific Greek word for “brother” is used. While the word can refer to other relatives, its normal and literal meaning is a physical brother. There was a Greek word for “cousin,” and it was not used. Further, if they were Jesus’ cousins, why would they so often be described as being with Mary, Jesus’ mother? There is nothing in the context of His mother and brothers coming to see Him that even hints that they were anyone other than His literal, blood-related, half-brothers.”

  • Bob Seidensticker

    Sorry–the Catholic church is not above the law. They can teach what they want, but they gotta follow the rules that every other employer does.

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Bob, what is that thing you’re hold up in that photo with your left hand?

    • http://fpb.livejournal.com/ Fabio P.Barbieri

      The Catholic Church, that is its millions of members, will challenge this so-called law in the courts. If they lose, they will let themselves be taken to jail. Under no circumstance will they collaborate in abortion, which is what the mandate amounts to. And an unjust law is no law – if you have trouble understanding that concept, I suggest a few evenings with Messrs. Jefferson, Lincoln and Thoreau (none of whom were Catholic) might help.

      • Rebecca Hamilton

        Well said.

  • Arkenaten

    @ Fabio P.Barbieri.
    “I suggest Arkenaten is left strictly alone with her own self-justifications and her own self-made dogmas. There is no point in trying to reason with someone like this.”
    Amazing! I was feeling exactly the same about you. Shouldn’t you be doing the ironing or something? Just asking.

  • Arkenaten

    @Fabio P Barbareri
    “In other words, you do not accept anyone’s view of God except your own. And in real life, this means you have made a god out of yourself. At which point baby-murder is the least of your problems.”

    I don’t have a ‘view’ of god as I do not believe in gods – yours or anyone else’s, thank you.
    As far as “baby-murder” is concerned: If mind-reading was a talent you possessed then you would know exactly my feeling towards such issues. Unfortunately, your comment would suggest that intelligence is not.


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