The Existential Reality of Unbelief and Atheist Anomie

“This is My Body.”

The priest says this, then holds the wafer aloft. The bells ring and the church falls silent.

This is My body.” This bread, that, in the words St Faustina gave us, is the body and blood, soul and divinity” of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

This is My body … the body He spoke of when He said, “he who eats of my flesh … shall never die.”

If this is true, then nothing else matters.

If it’s a lie, nothing matters at all.

A few years ago, an atheist friend of mine leaned over the lasagna on the dinner table between us and said, “Life is nothing, really. You’re born. You live. You die. None of it matters.”

That is the existential reality of unbelief. That simple statement represents our ultimate reality if we are nothing but animated matter. Unbelief is not the liberating viewpoint its proponents like to claim. After those who fall prey to it get past the ‘freedom” to use and be used, to break all the rules and kick over all the barriers of passé Christian morality, they inevitably arrive at the great alone where life without meaning, living without hope defines their reality.

The question of whether or not the priest’s words are true when he proclaims “This is my Body” and elevates that wafer involves a lot more than whether or not there is more to us than they can take apart in an autopsy. It is more than the gift of life after death. What it represents is life, not just after death, but before it, as well.

I lived about 17 years of my life in rebellion against God. I had my reasons. Even now I think they were rather good ones. During those years, I lived as my own god. I decided what was right and wrong. I made my own rules. And I lived by them.

I did many of the things that people who attack Christianity do today. I made fun of churches when talking to my friends. I was ardently pro-choice, and that led me into an active dislike of Christianity and the power of Christian witness. I joined Americans United for Separation of Church and State and I looked forward to the day when churches would lose their tax status. My reason was simple: I wanted the voice of faith to go silent so that I could do what I wanted without anyone trying to tell me no. I was perfectly free to walk my own path, but I didn’t like the constant push back from people of faith about what I was doing.

It was as simple, and as selfish, as that.

What I didn’t reckon with was that being your own god has a peculiar price attached to it that no posturing unbeliever ever mentions. Not only can you be your own petty god, but you must be your own god. Not only can you set your own rules and define your own morality, but you must set your own rules and define your own morality. And when you do harm to others, as you will, the remorse you feel is as cold and pitiless as the philosophy that brought you here.

I never got to the point my friend described in the restaurant that night. I was still young and healthy, with my own eventual death a long way off in a future I couldn’t imagine, much less see. There wasn’t any emotional head-butting against the hard wall of my own mortality. I just failed at being a good person.

Without the “rules” I so despised, I tripped over the edge of what I knew was right and tumbled soul-first into the world of doing what I knew was wrong. The obfuscations worked for years. They tamped down the unease, silenced the questions and made me feel just fine about myself. But there came a day when the truth broke through and I found myself face to face with the fact that I had hurt other people.

Being your own god means that you will come to a day when you either have to face the harm you have done and are doing to other people and change your ways, or you will chose to ignore it and give yourself away to a life of indifference about the pain you cause. If you go the first direction, you will plunge into the pain of remorse and grief. If you go in the second, you sentence yourself to the dry living and lonely dying of life as your own useless god.

I took the first course. It was while I was on that path of remorse and grief that I reached out to the God I had pushed away for so long. I discovered that He was right there, He was real and He loved me with a love like nothing I had ever experienced before.

As usual, there were a lot of things I didn’t reckon with in that turning to God. One of the most important was that the experience of knowing Him re-oriented my view of myself and life. When you look at the world through godless glasses, what you see is what my friend described to me. “Life is nothing. You’re born. You live. You die. None of it matters.”

That is the atheist life view. It is the inevitable and unavoidable conclusion to the belief that reality has no spiritual dimension and that there is nothing to existence but the material universe. Life is nothing. We are nothing. None of it matters.

There comes a point in the life of every person I’ve known who holds this life view when bitterness and anger seem to overwhelm them. The self-portrait atheists peddle to others of themselves as urbane philosophers with a cogent and rational grip on reality doesn’t hold up when you spend much time with them. I lived 17 important years of my adult life with unbelievers as their fellow unbeliever. I know a lot of people who are atheists. I’ve seen them go through all sorts of life situations.

One of the things that is most jarring when I watch them is how their bitterness increases with time. These are tormented people who are trapped in an arid view of life that offers no hope or meaning.

Christianity, on the other hand, provides meaning and symmetry to all of life, including some of its worst happenings. Life matters when you are a Christian, all of life, every life. What you do matters. You matter.

Life for a Christian is more than eternal. Living life forever with a worldview as arid and hopeless as that of the atheist would be a sentence, not a gift. But life when it is viewed through the lens of faith, is rich with meaning and purpose.

Bad things happen to all people. But Christians can see meaning in them. We can know that God will ultimately use even the worst bad thing for good. Nothing, not even death, is the end of our story, and seen through the lens of eternity, the things that overwhelm the atheist do not overwhelm us.

“This is my Body,” the priest says and lifts the wafer, the Host, for us to see, that what he says is true. It is the Bread of Life Abundant.

  • Arkenaten

    Funny, I have never encountered a bitter atheist. Angry, yes, now and then, but we all get angry sometmes, that”s human.
    I have encountered bitter Christians though,including several who have de-converted after discovering that their faith is not all they were led to believe.
    If one is a bitter person then one will be, irrespective of faith or un belief, I reckon. Then again, I haven’t lived life on both sides of the fence, so I can’t speak from the experience of being ‘converted’

    Of those I have met and discussed with that have been ‘reborn’, either face to face or over the initernet or merely having read their stories, have, without exception, suffered some traumatic event that has led them to seek ‘god’ – although I am reliably informed, god normally seeks out an individual. These sad folk have often suffered physical abuse, divorce,drugs, sexual problems, alcoholism. Been party to or been at the receiving end of violence and any number of rotten things, for which I can truly sympathise. It is no wonder some feel the need to reach out for anything to take away the pain, be it physical or emotional.
    (I have never encountered an individual who had no emotional issues whatsoever that suddenly decided to ‘switch’ to religion.) Switch religions, yes.

    And yet…..many who have trod the same route, have walked through the fire out the other side without the need for religion, ANY religion.
    Again, Personally, I have never felt the need, nor undertood why the need, so I cannot comment.
    Maybe one day your god will come calling? Based on what I have learnt re study etc I doubt I’ll get religion any tome soon…if ever.But you never know,right? ;) Meantime, I’m okay.

    And if your god is watching then as long as he believes on me, it matters not one iota what I believe. The rest is just doctrine.
    Peace.

    • Ted Seeber

      Funny, I encountered a bitter atheist in the above post. It’s the only explanation I have for your inability to understand.

      • Arkenaten

        Would you care to highlight a particular part of this post that you consider illustrates my bitterness, Ted?

        • Ted Seeber

          “Of those I have met and discussed with that have been ‘reborn’, either face to face or over the initernet or merely having read their stories, have, without exception, suffered some traumatic event that has led them to seek ‘god’ – although I am reliably informed, god normally seeks out an individual. These sad folk have often suffered physical abuse, divorce,drugs, sexual problems, alcoholism. Been party to or been at the receiving end of violence and any number of rotten things, for which I can truly sympathise. It is no wonder some feel the need to reach out for anything to take away the pain, be it physical or emotional.”

          Seems quite bitter to me. But I think the real problem is this: Being Christian doesn’t take pain away. If anything, the suffering intensifies. As it’s supposed to. You don’t become Christian to avoid suffering. You become Christian to be rewarded for your suffering. Or at least, you should.

          • Arkenaten

            My response above was not bitterness, Ted, rather pity at how blighted some individuals become after such abuse and feel they have to turn to religion. I am sympathetic to their pain if anything, but not bitter. I think you missunderstand.
            If you feel the need to celebrate suffering maybe you should see a psychiatrist?
            In fact I think you need some sort of help, Truly.

            • Ted Seeber

              Pity is an expression of bitterness. How about rejoicing with them instead?

              “I am sympathetic to their pain if anything, but not bitter. I think you missunderstand.”

              If you were truly sympathetic, you’d rejoice that they had found a way to make their pain meaningful.

              “If you feel the need to celebrate suffering maybe you should see a psychiatrist?”

              Psychiatry, like other forms of materialism, fails to actually understand the value of suffering.

              “In fact I think you need some sort of help, Truly.”

              As I do you- the difference being that I’m getting the help I need, instead of being prideful and spurning it at every chance.

              • Arkenaten

                I think we’ll leave it at that Ted. Getting a bit too weird for me. Fundamentalists give me the willies.

                • Ted Seeber

                  Oh, I’m no fundamentalist. My faith is based in reason. Wish I could say the same for yours, but skepticism is only reason’s bitter stepchild, and is utterly unreasonable.

              • Arkenaten

                I am tempted to write something…. but Rebecca, bless her, will delete my comment.
                So I will say this ….Bottoms, Ted. You are a silly person. Not go and pick up your toys and go to bed…and remember to brush your teeth, okay?

  • http://peicurmudgeon.wordpress.com/ peicurmudgeon

    I was born, I live, I will die, and it all matters. My actions have effects in this world on those who surround me. They will have consequences after I am gone. To say that nothing matters is nihilism, a concept that may be related to atheism, but is still separate from it.
    I am sorry that you spent so much time with bitter atheists, as Arkenaten said, my experience has been different. I have met numerous bitter people, but I have not found any relationship to religiosity in this bitterness.

  • http://ackans.com Mr. V.

    Rebecca,

    beautiful post, and I know where you’re coming from. I spent many years as a self-declared atheist, and I was the angry atheist of which you speak. At the same time, I was also the embittered ‘ex-Christian’ of which Arkenaten speaks. Speaking for myself, I left the faith because of things I had seen and encountered, and things which I myself did and could not forgive myself for. Ultimately, God reached me again and I came back into His fold.

    I harbored a lot of anger towards God and Christians during that time. I remember one occasion where I passed some people on the street who were publicly testifying as to their faith in God, and as I went by, one of them told me “God loves you.” I turned and got almost eye to eye with him and told him “No, he doesn’t, cause he’s not real” in a very direct, angry voice. The man flinched and stepped back from me and I walked off, feeling at the moment proud of myself for ‘showing him up.’ These many years later, I wish I knew the identity of the man I confronted. I would like to apologize to him and ask his forgiveness, but there’s no way of finding him. Maybe someday our paths will cross.

    • Arkenaten

      I find it fascinating that reborns etc so often use the term, “I was angry at God” as a reason for becoming atheist or while they claimed to be atheist before returning “to the fold”.
      Yet those Christians I have encountered who have genuinely deconverted based on intellectual reasoning never use this turn of phrase, recognising that most of what they were brought up to be believe through family, friends and church is mostly as a result of inculcation.
      I would venture such folk who still refer to a deity as though it might be real, are closer to agnostic and are not truely atheist.
      Just a thought.

      • Rebecca Hamilton

        Douglas, I know that I was never a true atheist. I didn’t even think so at the time. That’s not what I’m saying here. I was anti-religion … and in a big way.
        However, the person I quote in this was raised in a family where atheism was required for acceptance. Believing in God would get him kicked out of his family. His father, in particular, is one of the most intolerant atheists I have ever known. He was and is very much into non-belief. The bitterness of which I speak is real and widespread among the atheists I’ve known. So is the anger.
        Atheism seems to lead ultimately to nihilism, which is a philosophy that does not nurture, build or edify. I understand that I am not addressing the issues of “reasoning” to be an atheist because for me they are non-sequitur. I know God is real because I have experienced Him in a way that leaves me with no doubt. I’m perfectly willing to believe and let those who don’t believe to not believe. I know that if they are honest and brave enough, God can and will prove Himself to them.
        One of the nicest compliments I’ve ever gotten came from this same person I quote here. He told me once that the best argument he knew for the reality of God was me and the way I have changed as a result of my conversion. There’s no higher compliment another person can give a Christian than that.
        I pray for him, as I do for you, my hard-headed atheist friend.

        • Arkenaten

          The sad part of reading any religious post is the fact that proponents of a god tend to tacitly imply (sometimes overtly) that an atheist cannot be a nice, warm, generous individual. That they are unable to lead fulfilling lives, cannot be an active and positive member of their community,are unlikely to be good parents and are ultimately doomed.
          And you all wonder when such criticism is levelled that we react at times with anger?

          “Atheism seems to lead ultimately to nihilism, which is a philosophy that does not nurture, build or edify.”
          Really?
          This is like saying, the enforced celibacy of being a Catholic Priest ultimately leads to child abuse, and sodomy.

          And I would venture that my ridiculous statement carries more weight based on evidence than yours.
          Personally, I gave of my time for many years helping out at my kids’ school, to use one example…Catholic school, remember. No one ever refused my help because I am an atheist when I worked in the tuck shop or helped coach cricket.
          I revel in the beauty of nature, music and art. I cherish each breath, each kiss, each hug from family and slobber from my dogs.
          Oh, yes, how meaningless is life, Rebecca?
          Maybe those of a religious bent require a god to give it all meaning, that they are unable to open their eyes to the beauty without feeling guilt because they forgot to say a prayer or something.

          It’s worth noting, the majority of scientists ( many of whom have contributed to the extended life span of human beings) are atheists. Yet you would venture they are ultimately nihilist? Truely?
          For every aggresive downright rotten atheist there will be an aggresive downright rotten Christian or other religious person. More probably as there are a lot more religious folk.
          You ‘know’your god is real, yet you offer nothing to justify this statement but would rather suggest I am living a meaningless life without your god and ultimately to be vanquished to hell. Sheesh!
          Do you think I or any atheist REALLY gives a monkey’s uncle about this? That we will spend our precious lives thinking about religious doctrine?

          Well, baby, not this atheist.
          Life is kick ass and I love it!

          To paraphrase you…Oh, Pu…leeezzz.

          • Ted Seeber

            And yet another example of bitterness:
            “You ‘know’your god is real, yet you offer nothing to justify this statement but would rather suggest I am living a meaningless life without your god and ultimately to be vanquished to hell. Sheesh!”

            If you weren’t bitter, you’d learn something about the definition of hell and realize that you want to go there.

            • Arkenaten

              If you weren’t so silly I would be generous and offer you a comprehensive rebuttal.

              • Ted Seeber

                Might be silly to you- but the reality is that the definition of Hell is eternity apart from God and his Followers- *exactly* what the Freedom From Religion Foundation is asking for.

                Or to put it the way another atheist did to me recently: Heaven by John Paul II is basically former human beings converted into a bunch of mindless praisebots. Why would any self-respecting, full of the sin of pride atheist want to go to Heaven, if it means that?

                And yes, a huge part of the reason I’m still Catholic is because I want to spend eternity in Church.

                • Arkenaten

                  I hope you are granted this wish…and once inside they lock the doors, too.
                  I might be safer for everyone.

                • Ted Seeber

                  The doors to the Church Triumphant are not locked- as I have been convinced by my engaging in the Communion of Saints. But that is, sadly, a reality that your bitterness has closed to you.

            • http://peicurmudgeon.wordpress.com/ peicurmudgeon

              There is a difference between being bitter and being angry. Anger is an appropriate response to comments that have no basis in truth, such as those about the universality of bitter atheists. You can’t say that all Christians are filled with love either, although some certainly are. Broad statements don’t help, especially without anything to back them up.

              • Ted Seeber

                Oh, agreed. Douglas and many atheists are bitter, but they aren’t necessarily angry about it. Some even are kind enough to let other people pray aloud in their presence without filling lawsuits, or even admit that maybe a politician can be motivated by faith.

                • Arkenaten

                  RFLMAO. I apologise…you do have a sense of humour after all.
                  :)
                  And just for you, I’ll admit I do like bitter. Especially Boddingtons. Look it up on the internet, Ted.

                • Ted Seeber

                  I’m well familiar with Boddingtons, and raise you a Seven Brides Frankenlou’s IPA.

      • Ted Seeber

        I believe that’s referred to in Atheist circles as a “No True Scotsman” fallacy.

        • Arkenaten

          I think you might be bitter, Ted. Maybe it was because you missed out on a role in One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, perhaps?

          • Ted Seeber

            Only because I was born too late- and the Big Yellow Building on Center Street where that was filmed was recently razed due to being unsafe in even the slightest earthquake.

            I’m certified insane- Asperger’s. Which is why I have problems with magical thinking about empathy and piety. Or the whole Good Without God movement:
            http://outsidetheautisticasylum.blogspot.com/2012/10/new-atheists.html

            Especially since my carefully cultivated compassion is able to work in providing sandwiches to people who use curbs for pillows- and is equally welcoming to the pregnant woman with 4 children coming into the soup kitchen without insisting that she kill the 5th, like a good many Democrats do.

            • Arkenaten

              So in other words this is your reason/excuse for being an angel to folks on the street and a giant pain in the ass on the blogs?
              Well, now I understand.

              Kudos for the sarmie thing, btw. Way to go.
              You had my vote up until the asinine comment about the fifth child. Seems the PITA syndrome crept in a bit. Never mine, eh?

              • Ted Seeber

                “So in other words this is your reason/excuse for being an angel to folks on the street and a giant pain in the ass on the blogs?”

                I’m a giant pain in the ass on the blogs in support of the folks on the street, and against closed minded bigots who want to kill the folks on the street, either through negligence (just passing them by) or actively (abortion, drive by shootings, and euthanasia). Only Catholicism has the philosophical answer, and only 1/5th of Catholics are brave enough to follow Catholicism to it’s logical conclusions. You New Atheists are NOTHING in comparison to the work we need to do evangelizing the man in the pew.

                • Arkenaten

                  Sorry, Ted, I’m an old school atheist, not new, and don’t suffer fools lightly.
                  If your answer was right it would have sorted the world out 2000 years ago.
                  And even then it required some nifty work with the sword, several near genoicidal campaigns and some crafty exegeses to even get it off the ground
                  You rant away, my old son. Just mind you don’t start frothing, okay?
                  Wouldn’t want you to choke on your humility, now would we?

                  • Taylor

                    It’s quite interesting that many (not all) times when you (Arkenaten) are an encountered with a cohesive argument, you devolve into insulting your opponent.
                    Despite:
                    “The sad part of reading any religious post is the fact that proponents of a god tend to tacitly imply (sometimes overtly) that an atheist cannot be a nice, warm, generous individual. ”
                    I would agree with this statement. I have many atheist friends who are “nice, warm, generous individuals”. But you have not shown that in your posts here. Can I assume anything about your daily life? No. But show me how your beliefs/world-view increases the respect and love you give to your opponents or others on blogs. Otherwise, what have you done to show that you are not a bitter atheist who (mind you, I’m referring to only on this blog) lacks the fortitude to hold a civil debate? Get past the childish arguments of personal insults and actually engage in a real forum.
                    Step up to the plate with your philosophy. If you believe it, defend it…to the end. As opposed to debasing and disrespecting your opponents with petty comments and blind arrogance.

                    I’m sorry to snipe at just one argument but…
                    Death Totals:
                    Salem Witch Trials ~40
                    Spanish Inquisition (which lasted 300 years) ~100 to 2000
                    Crusades (200 years depending which ones you include) ~200,000 including both sides, although the number is quite debated

                    These acts were horrible and deserve to be condemned (as should any heinous act committed by the Church)

                    But let’s compare them to the just to the lower-end Death Totals of Atheistic governments only 20th century:
                    Hitler ~11 Million alone in the Holocaust
                    Stalin ~20 Million Non-War Deaths
                    Mao Zedong ~40 Million Non-war Deaths

                    Of course you and other atheists had nothing to do with these unjust murders, as present Catholics had nothing to with the past unjust slaughter of innocents.
                    If a Catholics must own up to the sins of our Church and Christianity as a whole, than Atheists must own up to the sins of governments that were founded upon the propagation, principles, and practice of Atheism (and also based on the philosophy of Secular Humanism).
                    As an American citizen, I cannot magically wash the sins my country has committed off my hands. Do I stop becoming an American? No. But I must own up to the past sins of my country.

                    http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm

                • Ted Seeber

                  “I’m an old school atheist, not new,”

                  Old School Atheists recognize that they could be wrong. You don’t do this.

                  “If your answer was right it would have sorted the world out 2000 years ago.”

                  Before it did the research? Hmm, interesting thought. But I would assert that humanity in the last 2000 years wasn’t technically advanced enough to understand the revelation- and we’re not either. The experimentation is still continuing. We know some of what are the wrong paths (atheism, humanism, sexual immorality, fiscal immorality) but we haven’t eliminated them nor do we actually know what the right path going forward is yet.


                  And even then it required some nifty work with the sword, several near genoicidal campaigns and some crafty exegeses to even get it off the ground”

                  Are you talking about Catholicism or Atheism? Both have done this- but I’d point out that even when you add all the crusades and inquisitions together, you don’t get the kill value that Planned Parenthood has done since 1973.

                  I’d say right now, given the shape the world is in, your sect is doing FAR more proselytizing by the sword than mine has done in the total of 2000 years.

  • http://ackans.com Mr. V.

    “Anger is an appropriate response to comments that have no basis in truth, such as those about the universality of bitter atheists.”

    First of all, Rebecca never made a statement about the universality of bitter atheists. She did say that bitterness was the case with every atheist she’s known in her life, and by that, she meant her real life, not people she comments with in the blogosphere. In that regard, her statement does have a basis in truth, as she observed bitterness in every atheist she knows in her life.

    Second, even if she did say that every atheist in the world, period, eventually grows bitter, there still would be no cause for anger on your part. Because, in essence, you are saying that it’s good to be angry and act angry with others who hold a different opinion than yours. And that’s nonsense. This is America, we have the right to our beliefs and opinions, and if you don’t like the opinions of others, you should at least respect that they have the right to have those opinions and have the right to express them.

    As far as your anger, it should be noted for the record that Rebecca did not come to your blog and post comments about atheists or atheism. She posted her thoughts on her blog. I’ve heard many non-Christians, including atheists, agnostics, pagans, and others, rail against Christians for their supposed intolerance. Yet so many of them turn around and behave with the very intolerance they claim the Christians have. You getting angry and going onto other blogs to express your anger against the authors of those blogs is an example of intolerance.

    I don’t know what it is about the Internet that inspires so many people to act rudely, that makes people feel they have the right to go around slamming others who don’t think as they do. Let me ask you, if you were at a restaurant, and you heard two Christians at a table talking about atheists they know, and one of them made a statement about atheism, would you walk over, interrupt them to confront the person about their conversation? Or would you respect the fact that it’s two people having a private conversation and be courteous enough to respect that they have the right to do so?

    • Arkenaten

      There are many atheist sites that attract vehement and scathing comments from Chrisitans.
      Would you like a link?
      You don’t feel you own comment is any less rude?
      The blog world is primarily an open forum that invites interaction.
      For those comment or commenters that offend are considered offensive there is always the delte button. This is democracy.

      “Let me ask you, if you were at a restaurant, and you heard two Christians at a table talking about atheists they know, and one of them made a statement about atheism, would you walk over, interrupt them to confront the person about their conversation? Or would you respect the fact that it’s two people having a private conversation and be courteous enough to respect that they have the right to do so?”

      No, but if they were obviously talking loud enough that I could hear then it would be reasonable to assume that others could as well. If I felt what they were saying was upsetting, I might write a polite not and ask a waiter to hand it over….with complimentarys coffees or some such. something.
      Failing that I could press the delete button of course, right?

      • Ted Seeber

        “There are many atheist sites that attract vehement and scathing comments from Chrisitans.”

        And if you weren’t bitter, this wouldn’t bother you a bit. Truth is what matters, not insults.

      • Rebecca Hamilton

        Nope. No links to ugly-offs from morons. I don’t want that stuff on this blog, even second-hand.

        Play nice with each other, too.

        • Arkenaten

          Feeling better today? Have you come out to play too?

      • http://ackans.com Mr. V.

        Yes, I know, there are atheist sites that attract scathing comments. My comment above was directed at them as well. I’m not letting anyone off the hook, Christian or atheist, that acts in that manner. My point is, I don’t go to atheist sites and attack their viewpoints and opinions. As far as I can see, Rebecca doesn’t engage in that sort of trollish behavior either. Yes, a blog is publicly available, but it still doesn’t change the fact that a blog is just the thoughts and experiences of a person. My opinion is, if you don’t like someone else’s opinion, then don’t read it. It’s not your manifest destiny to confront them about it. And most people don’t blog so that they can get into big arguments with those who don’t agree with them. They blog primarily to share their thoughts, and to converse with like-minded people. It’s a way of connecting with others.

        “No, but if they were obviously talking loud enough that I could hear then it would be reasonable to assume that others could as well. If I felt what they were saying was upsetting, I might write a polite not and ask a waiter to hand it over….with complimentarys coffees or some such. something.
        Failing that I could press the delete button of course, right?”

        Good response. That is a reasonable action to take when someone else’s conversation is offensive and loud enough for the whole place to hear. But then I should ask why you seem to enjoy so much coming to a site like this and poking fun at others, making insulting comments, mocking their beliefs, etc. It’s just plain rude.

        • Arkenaten

          This particular post makes some rather ‘iffy’ comments about atheists and their views in general.
          It might be solely an opinion but who is it directed at?
          Maybe fellow Christians? And I would ask why? Merely to confirm a cherished belief or to shore up any continually lingering doubts about their own faith?
          Honestly? I reckon there is a subconcious desire to extract a response from those who posts like this are directed to. Namely non believer s and specifically atheists. After all, the Word of God is supposed to be spread is it not? And it works! :)
          If not for this reason, it suggests a shallowness that is merely seeking attention from fellow believers.
          A Hoorah, look at me!
          And that is worse than the first option, to be honest. And I don’t believe Rebecca is that type of person.
          Now Ted on the other hand…..weeelll….

  • http://peicurmudgeon.wordpress.com/ peicurmudgeon

    She refers to the ‘atheist world view’ as something that is devoid of meaning. This is a direct insult to those many atheists who do find great meaning and purpose in their lives.

    There is a great deal of difference between interrupting a dinner convesation and commenting on a blog. I would most certainly not impose myself into a private conversation, unless I felt one party was being abused. On the other hand, most of us write blogs prepared for public discussion. We welcome dissenting opinions, wherever they lie on the political or relligious spectrum.
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with directed anger, as long as it is constrained within acceptable actions. That is, be angry at what I say, and tell me so, is fine. Punching me, or attacking my family is not. The religious might call that ‘righteous anger’.

    Please come to my blog and disagree with me, and just as here, I will either agree with you, or point out where you are wrong. Unless you get nasty, you will not be told to leave.

    • Ted Seeber

      “She refers to the ‘atheist world view’ as something that is devoid of meaning. This is a direct insult to those many atheists who do find great meaning and purpose in their lives.”

      Really? Like the Good Without God crowd, I’ve yet to meet any.

      • Arkenaten

        You are getting funnier with every comment…I am hosing myself,

    • http://ackans.com Mr. V.

      I’ve been to your blog for a looksee. Much of your material seems to mock Christians and speak of them in a demeaning tone, which leads me to ask:

      If you really are so happy and contented with your life and your philosophy, why do you feel it necessary to mock, belittle, and demean Christians?

      Generally, and this is from a psychological standpoint, not a religious one, when a person mocks, belittles, demeans, and attacks others, it’s an indication that the person does, at the least, have some self-confidence issues and bolsters himself by putting down others.

      It makes me wonder why you spend so much of your time focusing on Christians and directing your anger against them, when, I would wager, very few, if any, Christians do the same with you.

      • http://peicurmudgeon.wordpress.com/ peicurmudgeon

        You would lose that wager.

        Actually, I live in a world dominated by Christians, where much is threatened by the more fundamentalist sects. In many cases, people in North America are afraid to express their lack of religion for fear of losing their jobs. Being an open atheist is almost sure to prevent you from being elected. Even in very libeal areas, such as this part of Canada, atheist are on the butt end of much prejudice. Again, should you choose to come to my blog and point out where I am wrong, we can debate there as well as here.

        @Ted Seeber – If you haven’t seen anyone being good without God, you have not been paying attention. If you can’t find any examples, I would be happy to share.

        • Ted Seeber

          “@Ted Seeber – If you haven’t seen anyone being good without God, you have not been paying attention. If you can’t find any examples, I would be happy to share.”

          Don’t share. DO. Next time you meet a woman who wants to have an abortion, offer to take her in to your own house and take care of her while she’s pregnant and raising that child for the next 18 years.

          • http://peicurmudgeon.wordpress.com/ peicurmudgeon

            I missed this earlier.
            In some cases, we will differ on being ‘good’. My idea would be driving the 14 year old to the clinic for an abortion. There are also many atheists opposed to abortion, so that might qualify for you.
            But there are a great many secular organizations such as Doctors without Borders, Engineers without Borders, and many others. A number of atheists do foster or adopt children, wherever they come from. Many scientists who have developed medicines or techniques to assist mankind are atheists. The list goes on.
            On the other hand, ‘being with god’ does not necessarily mean ‘good’ either. I am sure I don’t need to make a list of priests or other religious people who have been abusive.
            I am certainly not trying to say here that atheists are BETTER than christians, I am merely saying that believing in god and being or doing ‘good’ are not necessarily related.

            • Ted Seeber

              “In some cases, we will differ on being ‘good’. My idea would be driving the 14 year old to the clinic for an abortion. ”

              My definition of being good is objective and always true. Yours differs with the instance.

              Was a time when 14 year olds were married, and their husbands able to provide for them. Biology doesn’t change with economics. And morality is more about biology than about what feels good to you.

              I repeat “Good without God” is a lie unless you are defining Good the same way I am.

              • http://www.peicurmudgeon.com peicurmudgeon

                You are correct. Your definition of ‘good’ includes god. Given that definition, yes it is impossible to be ‘good without god’. However, most of us would include helping others with no benefit to ones self in any definition of good. By that definition, my examples qualify.

                • Ted Seeber

                  But in your example of taking a 14 year old to have an abortion, you are objectively NOT helping others. You are in fact harming others- both the fetus and the poor girl who is about to be raped by the abortionist.

                  It’s time to stop calling evil good then claiming to be “good without god”

      • Arkenaten

        I am not if you are replying to me or peicurmudgeon. I suspect either of us , it makes little difference right?
        Okay…serious now. Gloves off.
        Anyone is entitled to their point of view, and this I respect, proving it does not harm. And this is important. Mentally or physically.
        Christianity as a belief system demands to be proselytized. I object to this. Not that you aren’t entitled to your viewpoint, but because anyone who does not adhere to it is tacitly damned.
        We will be sent to hell come judgment day or the Parousia or whatever.
        Again, I don’t really care because I believe this is nonsense. BUT it is a belief system that is inculcated into small children. Children who for generations have often been terrorized by this garbage. The ‘fear of God’ Oh, yes, indeedy! This I object to most strongly. As I object to Creationism being taught to children. Dinosaurs on the Ark…What a crock!
        As I also object that Fundamentalist Christians teach that the Pope is the Anti Christ, that Catholics by taking mass are partaking of canibalism.
        I object that there are over 30,000 differnet Christian cults/faiths/sects and you can’t find a creed that you all agree upon.
        I object that the Cathars were all but exterminated.
        I object to celibate priests abusing children.
        Yes, I know there are plenty of atheists who are rotten too. But that’s just because they are rotten.
        They don’t hide behind a deity or claim a deity made them do it. Or are shielded by the church. Atheists don’t get tax breaks.
        Did you know the Catholic Church is the single largest individual owner of real estate in the world?
        I was having fun until a few moments ago.
        You Christians are a breed unto yourself.
        Shakes head….

        • http://ackans.com Mr. V.

          Oh, Arkenaten.

          (shaking head)

          Your posts are a lesson in irony. You took of us proselytizing others, of terrorizing others, and you fail to see that it is you who is here at a Christian site attacking Christians.

          What you are doing right now is the equivalent of walking into a room where a group of Christians are discussing their faith and shouting angry things at them. Remember, you came here for the purpose of confronting Christians, and not the other way around.

          Does Rebecca come to your site, tear down and mock the various posts you’ve write, and criticize your beliefs? And I’ve been to your site; you do write posts that attack Christians in general. Maybe there are Christians that come to your site looking to mix it up with you. I am not one of them. I don’t think Rebecca is either. So why not respect her and show her the same courtesy?

          • Arkenaten

            I reiterate. was naware of this site until Rebeccaa visited a post that was critical of Christianity and ‘liked’ it, tacitly inviting me over to recipricate.
            You fail to understand that posts that are generally neutral regarding the faith attract minimal comments..go look.
            A post such as this is critical of atheism almost it derision. This is not akin to a group of tea drinking ladies discussing flower arranging before mass or mentioning how nice the new priest is.
            So I have responded. And you will note that my initial few comments were rational and civil. Until Mr. Ted started espousing his neo polemic fundamentalism.
            I consider I generally have a good relationship with Rebecca and sh is not shy to delete me for one second if she feels ‘got at’.
            And as is typical, you have no response to the reasons why I object to christianity.
            other than a rather cowardly whine that I am some sort of rude spoilsport.
            Boo Hoo, Mr. V. Boo flaming Hoo.
            If Christians want to mix it with me, and they have in the past , no problem. You might not like what I post but I do not lie.

            • http://ackans.com Mr. V.

              “Christianity as a belief system demands to be proselytized. I object to this. Not that you aren’t entitled to your viewpoint, but because anyone who does not adhere to it is tacitly damned. We will be sent to hell come judgment day or the Parousia or whatever.”

              That’s not our viewpoint. It’s the nature of reality. All of humanity has been apart from God since time immemorial. We are all destined for hell. God has offered a way out, a means of salvation for those who take it. He does not force anyone. Each of us is free to accept or deny the salvation that He offers. We as Christians try to reach everyone with the news of God’s plan for our salvation so that everyone at least has a chance. If you saw a burning building and noticed there were people inside, wouldn’t you do something to try and get them out to safety? At the very least, call the fire department. Something. You wouldn’t just stand there and watch the place burn down, and those people dying, without doing something to save them. Likewise, how can we, knowing what every man is destined for apart from God, not do something to try and save them from Hell?

              • Arkenaten

                And this is why I despair of such utter mind numbing, unsubstantiated polemic and will protest against it being inculcated on children or foistered on society as the absolute trith. It is hogwash.
                When I read this it demonstrates immediately that the person espousing it has no true understanding of the bible, probably hasn’t read that much of it and has even less knowledge or undertstanding of their own particular faith/religion and how it came about.
                If you as an adult choose to believe such stuff, and providing it has no affect on my way of life , then fine….
                And you won’t be going to hell, btw, there is no such place. Go research the etymology of the word…and don’t stop at Dante either.

        • Ted Seeber

          “Christianity as a belief system demands to be proselytized. I object to this. ”

          And you claim not to be bitter. If you were sane, you’d be proselytizing Christianity too.

  • http://ackans.com Mr. V.

    “On the other hand, most of us write blogs prepared for public discussion. We welcome dissenting opinions, wherever they lie on the political or relligious spectrum.”

    I disagree. Completely. Most people do not write blogs for the purpose of having others tear down and mock their opinions. Most people blog as a way of sharing their thoughts with others, and meeting up with others who share their interests or opinions.

    Example, someone who writes a sports blog about say, the Chicago sports scene, is doing so to write his take for other fans of the various Chicago teams. He is not looking to get into a confrontation with someone from Dallas who insults his home teams.

    Someone who writes a Catholic blog is doing so to connect with other Catholics to share their thoughts.

    I am a Catholic. Politically, my view tends to be conservative. Geographically, I am from the South. I prefer older movies and books and music over today’s fare. I read blogs and columns written on those topics. I don’t go to blogs written by people who hold opposing opinions to confront them about their opinions and beliefs. That would be just plain rude.

    • Arkenaten

      So then tell me, what is the point of a Christian writing a blog post that is critical of atheism and atheists?

      • http://ackans.com Mr. V.

        Obviously, she is sharing her thoughts about atheism with other Christians. It is to start a discussion with other Christians and get their thoughts on the subject. That is not to say that a discussion with an atheist on the subject would be unwelcome. However, what you fail to see is that it is your method and your manner that is obnoxious and offensive, and not the fact you are an atheist with a different viewpoint.

        There are ways to share your views without being abrasive and insulting.

        Maybe someday you’ll learn how.

        • Arkenaten

          I redirect you to the first few comments of this topic.
          Suggesting that atheists inevitably become nihilists is not abrasive? You believe suggesting
          our worldview is somehow devoid of meaning because we don’t believe in your god?
          In street parlance – get a life!
          Don’t patronise me, please Stephen.
          If you put a bit of jam on a pill , one is still going to swallow the pill.
          You even demean Rebecca’s intelligence with comments like this. She is a big girl, and I am sure she is aware of everything she writes.

          • http://ackans.com Mr. V.

            Again, you are scanning through the posts and comments, and grabbing things without reading them completely and fully in the context of which they were written.

            Rebecca stated that “atheism seems to lead to nihilism”. She did not offer a definite declaration as such. Rather it was a remark based on her personal observations.

            As far as the atheist worldview being devoid of meaning, I’m not sure I would say that, necessarily. However, atheism in general does lead to the devaluing of human life.

            Every society in recorded history built on the principles of atheism has been one where the streets ran red with the blood of its citizens. Every single one of them was brutal and corrupt. Every single one.

            • Arkenaten

              You are naieve and this makes the things you utter, not only nonsense but potentially dangerous as well.
              Ignorance laced with varying degrees of fundamentalism is never a good combination.
              People have been known to fly planes into buildings.
              Go and read about the history of the Cathars for example.
              Go read the ACTUAL testimony of the papal legate after Crusaders laid siege to the town of Carcassone. A beautiful place. I’ve been there.
              Go read what happened after the siege of Jerusalém after the Moslims surrendered.
              Go read up on what happened after the Christians/Catholics went to South America
              What righteous Christians did to Native Americans.
              Go read what certain Priests are STILL doing to children.
              Go research certain aspect of the illicit ivory trade and see how a certain Catholic priest is/was involved.
              You need to understand that religion gained its dominant role in human society not through the methodology that Jesus preached, but through the sword.
              Through the greed and intolerance of the early Church that would brook no challenge to its doctrine and set out to liquidate opposition, initially within its own ranks of Christianity.
              Your privilaged viewpoint was largely bought and paid for in blood. Always remember that.

              • Ted Seeber

                Compared with the Genocide of the Unplanned taking 54 million lives in 40 years, this is nothing.

                • arkenaten

                  “Compared with the Genocide of the Unplanned taking 54 million lives in 40 years, this is nothing.”

                  No, Ted, you sanctimoneous ass, it is not “nothing”. That these folk lost their lives, their land or their dignity at the hand of the Church is worse, because the perpetrators claimed the moral high ground as santified by their god.

                  If the abortion law is ever over-turned and this aspect of society is driven underground once again I hope you are man enough to stand up and push for the death penalty or life sentence for those woman who are caught after having an abortion. Murder, right?
                  Would you be man enough to flip the switch, I wonder?
                  Would you feel self righteous enough for a job well done?

                  You might claim some sort of allegiance to Jesus but be careful what you presume in his name.

  • http://ackans.com Mr. V.

    “Actually, I live in a world dominated by Christians, where much is threatened by the more fundamentalist sects. In many cases, people in North America are afraid to express their lack of religion for fear of losing their jobs. Being an open atheist is almost sure to prevent you from being elected. Even in very libeal areas, such as this part of Canada, atheist are on the butt end of much prejudice.”

    Hmmm…now those are broad statements on your part. The workplace where I am employed has many atheists here, and I’ve yet to see a single one of them in fear of expressing their belief. I know many people who are atheists, and we have conversations where we discuss our viewpoints. None of them live in fear. I haven’t ever seen a single person lose a job because they didn’t believe in God. As far as elections go, there are a great many politicians across the country who aren’t religious. When Christians get upset about politicians as far as religion goes, it’s generally because a politician is claiming to be a Catholic or a Baptist or whatever and is deliberately mispresenting the faith in the public eye. But even then, they’re not in fear of their lives.

    You spoke earlier about making broad statements, and I am calling you out here for making a couple of hefty ones. Unless of course, you have real evidence of your claims, and not just a broad, sweeping statement with no documentation or proof.

    • http://peicurmudgeon.wordpress.com/ peicurmudgeon

      I am happy that the atheists in your workplace are eccepted, however, not everywhere is so accepting. And yes, I do have evidence to demonstrate. Paul Fidalgo, writing at the friendly Atheist blog here on Patheos discusses a study “Forms, Frequency, and Correlates of Perceived Anti-Atheist Discrimination” that attempts to quantify some experiences.
      In the US, people who speak out about the separration of church and state very often have their lives or their livlihood threatened. Ed Brayton, a broadcaster and author is currently writing a book describing the ways in which they have been attacked.
      There are severals states that have religious tests for political leaders, specifically stating that candidates must believe in a deity.
      Sometimes broad statements can be backed by facts.

      • Arkenaten

        “There are severals states that have religious tests for political leaders, specifically stating that candidates must believe in a deity.”

        You are kiding, right? No, seriously, I struggle to believe this.
        You are stating as fact that there are States…More than one!! that require a political candidate to believe in a DEITY!

        If this is true, please, PLEASE, provide details of which state/s.
        I am, as they say in parts of England, Gobsmacked!

      • Arkenaten

        Don’t worry. I found it…
        http://www.americanhumanist.org/HNN/details/2012-05-unelectable-atheists-us-states-that-prohibit-godless

        The site lists seven(7) states. I am sitting here shaking my head in disbelief.
        If this really is the truth, then I dont know what to say.

        So much for your constitution.
        I am not surprised that they are all in the South but I am surprised Obama or anyone hasn’t ordered these laws struck off. Why stop at atheists? I am shocked , therefore they allow women and any of them good ole boys that ain’t white to stand for office? Does Obama still have to go around the back when he visits Arkansas?
        This attitude is barbaric.
        Hey you, you’re not one of US…get to the back of the bus!

        And for what it’s worth, would this this godless attitude law prohibit a Muslim or Hindu ?

        • Rebecca Hamilton

          The No Religious Test Clause of the United States Constitution is found in Article VI, paragraph 3, and states that:
          The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

          That is from the Constitution of the United States. It was in the document as originally ratified. I don’t know whether the states you cite have some obscure statute with this verbiage. I do know that any such statutes do not and can not have force of law. When you say, “so much for your Constitution” you have it exactly backwards. The truth is, so much for these so-called laws. Whoever put together the web site you are linking to should know this. It’s grade school stuff.

          • Arkenaten

            It took a while but I found a comment that stated this ‘deity’ was challenged, yet these laws are still on the statute books.
            On person from Arkansas was apparently excused jury duty for refusing to take a religious oath.
            Are you saying that these laws are NOT on the ‘books’, and that this site is hokum?
            As a policitican I am surprised you sound unaware of these State Laws.

            Go look at the site. One can actually download PDF’s.

            • Rebecca Hamilton

              Douglas, I confess. I don’t know every half-baked law passed by every legislature in these United States in that past 250 years. My bad.

              • Arkenaten

                Is this some of the bitterness you alluded to in the body of the post or is it merely straighforward sarcasm?
                This is a ‘god’ law. Just thought you would be up on this stuff, that’s all.
                Something to think about though, right?

                I’m okay with the sarky comment, btw.

          • Arkenaten

            I have reread your post. The term ‘No religious test’ is ambiguous. I believe Texas has a similar wording, but the law goes on to say merely acknowledging a Supreme Being is qualification.

            No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.

            Sounds like them good ole boys got you by the short hairs, don’t it? Er…Ye haw?

            • Arkenaten

              Sorry, Rebecca, my typing/spelling is getting worse by the post.

            • Rebecca Hamilton

              Douglas the Constitution IS the law of the land. What I posted is a direct quote from the Constitution of the United States of America. Texas law does not supersede the Constitution. I can pass a law saying anything I can get the other people in the Oklahoma Legislature to agree with me about. For instance, I could pass a law saying that any candidate for public office has to get a signed letter of permission from Douglas Pearce of South Africa. But if that law contradicts the Constitution, it won’t stand. (Sorry Douglas. Your days as a dictator just went flying out the window.)

              As for the definition of “religious test” there is a huge body of case law about this going back two and half centuries. I’m not familiar with it and I’m guessing, since you didn’t even know this was in the Constitution, neither are you.

              However, if you want to feel persecuted, go for it. I try never to come between a man and his dream.

              • Arkenaten

                Your sarcasm is really improving. Well done!
                I am not an American, so it wouldn’t likely be expected of me to know the ins and out of YOUR constitution. Though it’s is heart warming I am able to point you in the right direction in this instance.
                Although years of US TV has taught me how to “Plead the Fifth”.
                Whether they are unconstitutional or not they are STILL on the State legislature (is this is the correct term?) apparently.
                Bit like having park benches with White’s Only painted on them, know what I mean? Or worse…Atheists Only. Maybe even , Only Christians Bums…sorry Bottoms Allowed.

                Yes, I DO feel persecuted. Hot dang, this is an outrage. Even my horse would be outraged….if I had one, that is. How will Texas ever get an atheist dictator?
                JR Ewing will turn in his grave.
                Please see what you can do for me, Rebecca, okay?

                • Rebecca Hamilton

                  If you come to Oklahoma, I’ll kick you with my good foot. How’s that?

              • Arkenaten

                “I try never to come between a man and his dream.”

                As I, a woman and her delusion. ;)

  • http://ackans.com Mr. V.

    “As I object to Creationism being taught to children. Dinosaurs on the Ark…What a crock!”

    Well, it’s a fact that God created the Earth. God is the ultimate creator of all. However, the Bible is not a book of science. It does not describe how, exactly this was done. And it’s not meant to. What’s important is acknowledging God as the creator. Why do you object to Creationism? What, do others not have the right and freedom to their beliefs, and to pass those beliefs to their children?

  • Rebecca Hamilton

    I’m going to try to be brief with these comments. I’ve noticed that the pain meds tend to loosen my typing fingers and I ramble, so be forewarned. I will TRY to be brief. :-)
    I wrote this post because I believe it’s true. The story I related was something that I found quite disturbing, mainly because the man who said this to me was a friend of many decades and it was sad to see this deep hopelessness in him.
    As for whether or not I “insulted” anyone, if what I said insults you, then you shouldn’t read it. I wouldn’t.
    Stephen is correct in saying that I was and am always communicating with other Christians with this blog. Douglas is welcome to comment here, as are other non-believers who are willing to contribute to the discussion in a civil manner. But it isn’t about them. Nothing I write is going to be about them. I’m not on a mission to convert atheists or even to engage them. I am concerned with building an on-line community of Christians who are willing and able to stand up for Jesus in today’s world. What I say here is always an attempt to communicate with other Christians.
    Much of what I say is also very personal in that it is based on what I’ve learned from my own life and my experiences with other people and with the Lord.
    To me, the atheist viewpoint is inexplicable. I can not understand why you don’t know that God is real. Are you familiar with the Apostle’s Creed? I believe that. Believe it absolutely and without doubt. Jesus is the guiding force in my life.
    I accept that you do not, for whatever reason, know this. That doesn’t make me hate you or even feel angry with you. It does make me feel sorry for you. (Which I’m sure makes you angry. That is not my intent. I don’t say this to make you angry. I say it because it is truly how I feel.) To me, atheists are people who are blind and deaf in a world of sight and sound.
    I don’t mind talking about faith to unbelievers. It doesn’t trouble me at all. I just have rules about behavior. A lot of this is because there’s so much garbage on my job that I have to put up with. I’m just not going to have it here, as well.
    I guess I have rambled, haven’t I? Sorry.
    Discuss this all you want. I enjoy reading your thoughts. Just please, be kind to one another when you do it. Whether you believe it or not, you are each one a child of the same living God and you are precious.
    If what I say “insults” you, go do something that makes you happy and forget about me. No reason to let it bother you more than that.

    • http://peicurmudgeon.wordpress.com/ peicurmudgeon

      When we write something on a public forum such as the internet, we are not just writing for those who agree with us. We write for whoever stumbles upon our words, and these words can have power, we all know that.

      To go back to my original point, and teh actual post. I was born, I am alive, I will die. Life matters to me. I am have recently become a grandfather and holding that infant has brought me more joy than anything since my own children were born. I would like to think he will live in a better world than I have, but I am skeptical that will happen, but I do have hope. I have three adult children, I have a woman who loves me, and I have freinds who care. I care. There is no nihilism here.

      • http://peicurmudgeon.wordpress.com/ peicurmudgeon

        There is no nihilism here. – there is however, a poor typist and an non-working spellcheck.

  • Arkenaten

    “Well, it’s a fact that God created the Earth.”

    No. It is a viewpoint. A belief. You are perfectly entitled to your own beliefs but not your own facts.

    The fact that your view of the bible differs from outright
    Fundamental Creationists demonstrates my point that if there is no consensus with the Bible how can you claim that your version is the ultimate truth?
    The Catholic Bible is different from the KJV for example.
    What you consider canonical others state is Apocrypha.
    You say the Flood story is analogous…yet many state it is literal!

    You do not know enough by half to state anything biblical is factual, and cettainly from Genesis or Exodus. In fact I would challenge you to provide me with even a short list of verifiable facts from these two biblical compositions.
    No, let’s narrow it down. Mak e it easier for you.
    Tell me something factual about Moses.

  • http://jscafenette.com Manny

    OMG, Rebecca this was outstanding! This is your best blog yet. I was glued to every word. So elegantly written, so honest, so humble. God bless you. Reading this made my day!

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Thank you Manny. This is praise from Caesar!

      • Arkenaten

        “Praise from Caesar?” Oh, you didn’t just type that!!
        Yummy! You are aware that he was regarded as a God, yes? LOL!
        Et Tu Arkenaten? :)

        • Rebecca Hamilton

          Well … I meant it more in the sense that Manny is a discerning judge of these things and I’m flattered he likes the post.
          As for worshipping at the altar of Manny … I think he might prefer a less argumentative acolyte than me.

          • Arkenaten

            Oh, I know what you meant, it was just funny how so many Christians are unaware of Caeser’s status. Especially when they say things like this or that other famous line, deliver unto Caesar etc.

      • http://jscafenette.com Manny

        Oh thank you. You’re too kind. :)


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